## Re: [Z_Scale] Re: NE-5 caboose?yes we need them

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• check few others  I like it id buy 1 ________________________________ From: Brian To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May
Message 1 of 10 , May 16, 2013
check few others  I like it id buy 1

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From: Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 3:23 PM
Subject: [Z_Scale] Re: NE-5 caboose?yes we need them

> if there round window something we lacking <

Thomas,

Here is a link to an restored NE-5 caboose at the Illinois Railway Museum:

Round windows, a PRR caboose type? It is not an NE-5, off hand I don't know its designation.

-Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

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•  As someone who is doing a different caboose for N scale,with an eye on Z, I decided against doing rivets. They are oversize in most N scale models. So it is
Message 2 of 10 , May 16, 2013
As someone who is doing a different caboose for N scale,with an eye on Z, I decided against doing rivets. They are oversize in most N scale models. So it is proportionately  true for Z. A half inch detail in N is slightly smaller than the thickness of a sheet of paper (.004)  003 in N  ,.0022 thousandths in Z.Good luck with your project.

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• The caboose Thomas is thinking of is the Pennsy N5c. However, the NE-5 would be a good representation of the pennsy N5, N5a and N5b. Better than the standard
Message 3 of 10 , May 16, 2013
The caboose Thomas is thinking of is the Pennsy N5c. However, the NE-5 would be a good representation of the pennsy N5, N5a and N5b. Better than the "standard" Northeastern caboose.
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=N5a-E419126A.gif&sel=cbn&sz=sm&fr=
In the photo from the Illinois railroad museum,one window is sealed over. Would your model be that way or with both open?

I would be interested in a couple of them to modify into Pennsys (end details on Pennsy Cabin cars are reversed for some reason, ladders and brake wheels are opposite).

Dan S.

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From: Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
To: z_scale <z_scale@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 3:23 pm
Subject: [Z_Scale] Re: NE-5 caboose?yes we need them

> if there round window something we lacking <

Thomas,

Here is a link to an restored NE-5 caboose at the Illinois Railway Museum:

Round windows, a PRR caboose type? It is not an NE-5, off hand I don't know its designation.

-Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

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• N5C. The porthole windows were my favorite PRR cabooses. http://www.whippanyrailwaymuseum.net/exhibits/equipment/cabooses/penn-n5c-cabin-car V/R Larry P. Card
Message 4 of 10 , May 17, 2013
N5C. The porthole windows were my favorite PRR cabooses.

http://www.whippanyrailwaymuseum.net/exhibits/equipment/cabooses/penn-n5c-cabin-car

V/R
Larry P. Card
Franklinton NC
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> Subject: [Z_Scale] Re: NE-5 caboose?yes we need them
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> > if there round window something we lacking <
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> Thomas,
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> Here is a link to an restored NE-5 caboose at the Illinois Railway Museum:
>
> Round windows, a PRR caboose type? It is not an NE-5, off hand I don't know its designation.
>
> -Brian Chapman
> Evansdale, Iowa

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• ... Joe, maybe this issue could be called pyschological detail . You can t see the detail, it s so small (e.g., .0022 dia. rivets), but it s there and,
Message 5 of 10 , May 17, 2013
> As someone who is doing a different caboose for N scale, with an eye on Z, I decided against doing rivets. . . . A half inch detail in N is slightly smaller than the thickness of a sheet of paper (.004) .003 in N, .0022 thousandths in Z. Good luck with your project. -Joe S. <

Joe, maybe this issue could be called "pyschological detail" <g>. You can't see the detail, it's so small (e.g., .0022" dia. rivets), but it's there and, thus, makes you feel good knowing it's there. I might try to mill a few tiny rivets on a small square of plastic, out of curiosity, to see what results. Nice thing about the NE-5 caboose, it's welded, not riveted.

> The caboose Thomas is thinking of is the Pennsy N5c. However, the NE-5 would be a good representation of the pennsy N5, N5a and N5b. Better than the "standard" Northeastern caboose. <
http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=N5a-E419126A.gif&sel=cbn&sz=sm&fr=

> In the photo from the Illinois railroad museum,one window is sealed over. Would
your model be that way or with both open? -Dan S. <

I believe the plated window in the photo of the NE-5 was added by the CGW, to all of its 25 cabooses of this type. IIRC, the cabooses came to the CGW without stoves; when the railroad added them, the near window was plated over. I would not include the plate as part of the casting but as a separate item.

You know, looking at a list on my wall here, I promised someone I would work on a Pennsy N5. Maybe, two birds with one stone? . . . (Although I would never throw a rock at a bird).

> N5C. The porthole windows were my favorite PRR cabooses. -Larry C. <
http://www.whippanyrailwaymuseum.net/exhibits/equipment/cabooses/penn-n5c-cabin-car

Larry, if a prototype ever looked more like a Lionel model than the real thing, that photo shows it!

Thanks much, fellas, for the information.

-Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa
• For those interested, check http://www.bing.com/search?q=NE-5+caboose&go=&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=ne-5+caboose&sc=1-12&sp=-1&sk= for a bunch of links including one
Message 6 of 10 , May 17, 2013
For those interested, check

http://www.bing.com/search?q=NE-5+caboose&go=&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=ne-5+caboose&sc=1-12&sp=-1&sk=

for a bunch of links including one with lots of images of NE 5 cabooses.

Ell

--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "Brian" <cornbeltroute@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I am cnc-cutting NE-5 cabooses (cabeese?) in TT scale (1:120) and N scale (1:160). I'd like to see what results I can get in Z scale. But, first, a couple of questions if I may:
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> 1 - Does an NE-5 caboose exist in Z scale?
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> 2 - The smallest end mill I have is .005" diameter, a bit larger than one scale inch in Z scale (.0045" is the correct figure?) What sort of detail level does the Z scale modeler demand - every rivet in its place, or if it can't be seen at a two foot distance forget about it? (Or something else?)
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> 3 - What is the typical thickness of a car side in Z scale? That is, considering an NE-5 caboose, what thickness is acceptable for the sides and ends?
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Brian Chapman
> Evansdale, Iowa
>
• If anyone is interested, I could change any these to round windows rather easily.. I just need to know what it is that people are looking for.
Message 7 of 10 , May 23, 2013
If anyone is interested, I could change any these to round windows rather easily.. I just need to know what it is that people are looking for.

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--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, thomas cipelle <thomasc600@...> wrote:
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> if there round window something we lacking
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