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  • Gert Velthuizen
    Dear Bill, Thank you very much on the information. It ll make an interesting story for a load of modelrailroadfriends overhere after I have translated it into
    Message 1 of 16 , Jul 14, 2010
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      Dear Bill,



      Thank you very much on the information.

      It'll make an interesting story for a load of modelrailroadfriends overhere after I have translated it into Dutch.



      I have some of the HO versions of the IM cars from the early start and some of later date and I love them. I guess I will love them in Z too, wasn't/isn't IM the actual producer for the Full Throttle ones in various paintschemes?



      Keep having fun!



      Gert




      To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
      From: WRDixon@...
      Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 00:26:39 -0700
      Subject: [Z_Scale] InterMountain Canadian Grain Hoppers





      A few notes on the just announced InterMountain Canadian Grain hoppers.

      This car was the first HO scale model released by InterMountain in 1993.
      It has remained their best seller with some paint schemes (Red Canada)
      now numbering over 100 road numbers released.

      A short history of the car.
      The genesis of the car goes back to the late 1890's when the CPR
      (Canadian Pacific Railway) signed the Crows Nest Agreement with the
      Canadian Government. This exchanged a a subsidy for railway construction
      for perpetual low grain transportation rates. The agreement lasted until
      the early 1980s. Over time the low grain shipment rates paid for less
      and less of the cost of actually transporting the grain. Because of this
      the railways did not spend any money on new grain cars. In the late
      1960s the grain fleet consisted of old 40' steel box cars and a large
      number of tired 1920s (and earlier) 36' single sheathed Wood box cars.
      As these tired old cars were being retired at an ever increasing rate a
      grain car shortage was developing.

      In the early 1970s the Canadian Federal Government stepped in and
      started building new cylindrical covered grain hoppers. Over time the
      Federal Government and two Provincial Governments ( Alberta and
      Saskatchewan ) built close to 19,000 cars in several variations. The
      cars were supposed to stay on Canadian rails but they ended up wandering
      far and wide.

      The InterMountain car represents the later version of the car. There
      were several paint schemes that were only on the earlier version.
      Although it would be nice if InterMountain made a new model for the
      earlier car, given the small size of the detail differences I would not
      be bothered if those interesting paint schemes were done on this car.

      This car also came equipped with six round hatches for Potash (and other
      products) transportation. If the grain car does well I would expect
      InterMountain to release these cars as well. It only requires tooling
      for a new roof and set of round hatches.

      Some Detail Notes

      The early cars were delivered with ACI labels. Even though the ACI
      system died early the labels lasted a long time on these cars. An
      interesting spotting feature in the 90's was an aluminum rectangle on
      the car side where the label had been sanded off.

      The cars were delivered with a consistent set of trough hatches painted
      in the car colour scheme. Over time as these were damaged they were
      replaced with whatever was on hand. So you could have several different
      types of hatches in different colours on a car.

      One feature seldom modeled is growing grain on the end platforms. Some
      grain is always spilled when these cars are loaded and some lands on the
      end platforms. With the dirt there and rain water this sprouts and
      grows. An interesting detail you can add.

      The cars tended to stay on their home rails. Thus CPR cars (CNWX, ALPX,
      SKPX) were seldom mixed with CNR cars (CNWX, ALNX, SKNX) in trains. At
      grain terminals however you can find string of both cars.

      The Government has been selling the cars to the railways. To represent
      this on the Red Canada cars (CNWX and CPWX), paint out the "WX" to leave
      CN or CP.

      Graffiti - These cars have nice big sides, Graffiti artists (vandals)
      love all that space. Many cars are tagged. Some very artfully, some just
      vandalized.

      -

      Images
      The web site:
      http://tracksidetreasure.blogspot.com/2010/04/canadas-cylindrical-grain-cars.html
      has some interesting images.

      Rail Model Journal had a book on covered hoppers some time ago that
      covered these cars. I have forgotten the title. Perhaps someone out
      there has a copy and can let us all know.

      Lastly InterMountain has kindly supplied good images of HO scale cars so
      the web page:

      http://www.central-hobbies.com/products/intermountainz.html

      has been updated with these better images. I have reworked the
      images of CNR lettered cars to show the CPR lettering.

      I am looking forward to these cars. A long string of Red Canada cars
      behind a pair of CP Rail SD40-2s will look great.

      Regards
      Bill Dixon





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    • ztrack@aol.com
      ... Gert, Bowser produces the cylindrials for Full Throttle as well as their line of two bay hoppers. Rob Ztrack Magazine Ltd. www.ztrack.com
      Message 2 of 16 , Jul 14, 2010
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        In a message dated 7/14/10 9:20:10 AM, gertvelthuizen@... writes:


        > I guess I will love them in Z too, wasn't/isn't IM the actual producer
        > for the Full Throttle ones in various paintschemes?
        >

        Gert,

        Bowser produces the cylindrials for Full Throttle as well as their line of
        two bay hoppers.

        Rob



        Ztrack Magazine Ltd.
        www.ztrack.com
        www.ztrackcenter.com
        www.ztrackresale.com
        6142 Northcliff Blvd
        Dublin OH 43016
        (614) 764-1703


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      • Gert Velthuizen
        OK, Thank you. Love those too, you know... Gert To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com From: ztrack@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:40:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Z_Scale]
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          OK, Thank you.

          Love those too, you know...



          Gert



          To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
          From: ztrack@...
          Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:40:42 -0400
          Subject: Re: [Z_Scale] InterMountain Canadian Grain Hoppers






          In a message dated 7/14/10 9:20:10 AM, gertvelthuizen@... writes:

          > I guess I will love them in Z too, wasn't/isn't IM the actual producer
          > for the Full Throttle ones in various paintschemes?
          >

          Gert,

          Bowser produces the cylindrials for Full Throttle as well as their line of
          two bay hoppers.

          Rob

          Ztrack Magazine Ltd.
          www.ztrack.com
          www.ztrackcenter.com
          www.ztrackresale.com
          6142 Northcliff Blvd
          Dublin OH 43016
          (614) 764-1703

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        • Loren Snyder
          Bill, Great info on the new IM cars. Thanks, Loren ... From: W.R.Dixon Date: 7/14/2010 12:28:37 AM To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Z_Scale]
          Message 4 of 16 , Jul 14, 2010
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            Bill,
            Great info on the new IM cars. Thanks,
            Loren




            -------Original Message-------

            From: W.R.Dixon
            Date: 7/14/2010 12:28:37 AM
            To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [Z_Scale] InterMountain Canadian Grain Hoppers

            <snip>
            A few notes on the just announced InterMountain Canadian Grain hoppers.

            This car was the first HO scale model released by InterMountain in 1993.
            It has remained their best seller with some paint schemes (Red Canada)
            now numbering over 100 road numbers released.


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          • W.R.Dixon
            ... I was digging through some magazines today and found an an article on these cars in the March 1992 Railroad Model Craftsman. Bill Dixon
            Message 5 of 16 , Jul 14, 2010
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              ztrack@... wrote:
              > Bill,
              >
              > Great information! Thanks for posting this!
              >
              > Rob


              I was digging through some magazines today and found an an article on
              these cars in the March 1992 Railroad Model Craftsman.

              Bill Dixon
            • CJ Walsh
              This year Hallmark is offering the Lionel UP M-10000 in their Keepsake Christmas ornament series. It will be interesting to see if it is close to Z-scale.
              Message 6 of 16 , Jul 15, 2010
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                This year Hallmark is offering the Lionel UP M-10000 in their Keepsake
                Christmas ornament series. It will be interesting to see if it is close
                to Z-scale.

                From their catalog:

                LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Locomotive
                Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.
                $18.95 USA QX8626

                LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Long Coach
                Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.
                $14.95 USA QXI2023

                LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Buffet Coach
                Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 3/4" W.
                $14.95 USA QXI2013

                You can see all three pieces in the on-line catalog at Hallmark.com.

                Cheerz,

                CJ Walsh
              • Loren Snyder
                Hallmark is also offering the Berkshire steam that is featured in Polar Express. I ve seen it and it looks like it might be fairly close to Z scale Not too
                Message 7 of 16 , Jul 15, 2010
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                  Hallmark is also offering the Berkshire steam that is featured in Polar
                  Express. I've seen it and it looks like it might be fairly close to Z scale
                  Not too bad a looking loco if you don't get up too awfully close. The
                  three foot rule would certainly work in this case.

                  Loren




                  -------Original Message-------

                  From: CJ Walsh
                  Date: 7/15/2010 10:54:20 AM
                  To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [Z_Scale] Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010

                  This year Hallmark is offering the Lionel UP M-10000 in their Keepsake
                  Christmas ornament series. It will be interesting to see if it is close
                  to Z-scale.

                  From their catalog:

                  LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Locomotive
                  Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.
                  $18.95 USA QX8626

                  LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Long Coach
                  Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.
                  $14.95 USA QXI2023

                  LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Buffet Coach
                  Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 3/4" W.
                  $14.95 USA QXI2013

                  You can see all three pieces in the on-line catalog at Hallmark.com.

                  Cheerz,

                  CJ Walsh




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                • Randall Smidt
                  I picked up one of the M-10000 sets last night, but haven t had a chance to measure it yet.  It seems about the right size, but since the prototype train
                  Message 8 of 16 , Jul 15, 2010
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                    I picked up one of the M-10000 sets last night, but haven't had a chance to measure it yet.  It seems about the right size, but since the prototype train itself was a little on the small side, I can't tell for sure until I dig out my drawings and compare the measurements.

                    The gauge is about 7.5mm which is big for Z, but gauge doesn't mean much for Hallmark ornaments.  It scales out to about 78' long and 12-14' wide for the power unit, which sounds about right for a passenger car, but as I said, this was a small train.

                    I saw the polar express train as well.  No tender (not really a problem), and it is plastic and not as detailed as some other Hallmark ornaments, but it does seem to be the right size.  I haven't bought one yet (forgot and left my coupon at home).

                    In October, they will release the miniature train set with a steam engine (2-4-2), tender, and gondola.  Might or moght not be too small.

                    Randy

                    --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Loren Snyder <ljsnyder@...> wrote:

                    From: Loren Snyder <ljsnyder@...>
                    Subject: Re: [Z_Scale] Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010
                    To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 5:05 PM







                     









                    Hallmark is also offering the Berkshire steam that is featured in Polar

                    Express. I've seen it and it looks like it might be fairly close to Z scale

                    Not too bad a looking loco if you don't get up too awfully close. The

                    three foot rule would certainly work in this case.





                    Loren














                    -------Original Message-------





                    From: CJ Walsh


                    Date: 7/15/2010 10:54:20 AM


                    To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com


                    Subject: [Z_Scale] Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010





                    This year Hallmark is offering the Lionel UP M-10000 in their Keepsake


                    Christmas ornament series. It will be interesting to see if it is close


                    to Z-scale.





                    From their catalog:





                    LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Locomotive


                    Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.


                    $18.95 USA QX8626





                    LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Long Coach


                    Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.


                    $14.95 USA QXI2023





                    LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Buffet Coach


                    Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 3/4" W.


                    $14.95 USA QXI2013





                    You can see all three pieces in the on-line catalog at Hallmark.com.





                    Cheerz,





                    CJ Walsh












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                  • Thomas Creighton Sr
                    what coupon? ________________________________ From: Randall Smidt To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 7:21:55 PM
                    Message 9 of 16 , Jul 15, 2010
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                      what coupon?




                      ________________________________
                      From: Randall Smidt <randy@...>
                      To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 7:21:55 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Z_Scale] Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010

                       
                      I picked up one of the M-10000 sets last night, but haven't had a chance to
                      measure it yet.  It seems about the right size, but since the prototype train
                      itself was a little on the small side, I can't tell for sure until I dig out my
                      drawings and compare the measurements.

                      The gauge is about 7.5mm which is big for Z, but gauge doesn't mean much for
                      Hallmark ornaments.  It scales out to about 78' long and 12-14' wide for the
                      power unit, which sounds about right for a passenger car, but as I said, this
                      was a small train.

                      I saw the polar express train as well.  No tender (not really a problem), and it
                      is plastic and not as detailed as some other Hallmark ornaments, but it does
                      seem to be the right size.  I haven't bought one yet (forgot and left my coupon
                      at home).

                      In October, they will release the miniature train set with a steam engine
                      (2-4-2), tender, and gondola.  Might or moght not be too small.

                      Randy

                      --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Loren Snyder <ljsnyder@...> wrote:

                      From: Loren Snyder <ljsnyder@...>
                      Subject: Re: [Z_Scale] Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010
                      To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 5:05 PM

                       

                      Hallmark is also offering the Berkshire steam that is featured in Polar

                      Express. I've seen it and it looks like it might be fairly close to Z scale

                      Not too bad a looking loco if you don't get up too awfully close. The

                      three foot rule would certainly work in this case.

                      Loren

                      -------Original Message-------

                      From: CJ Walsh

                      Date: 7/15/2010 10:54:20 AM

                      To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com

                      Subject: [Z_Scale] Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010

                      This year Hallmark is offering the Lionel UP M-10000 in their Keepsake

                      Christmas ornament series. It will be interesting to see if it is close

                      to Z-scale.

                      From their catalog:

                      LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Locomotive

                      Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.

                      $18.95 USA QX8626

                      LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Long Coach

                      Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.

                      $14.95 USA QXI2023

                      LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Buffet Coach

                      Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 3/4" W.

                      $14.95 USA QXI2013

                      You can see all three pieces in the on-line catalog at Hallmark.com.

                      Cheerz,

                      CJ Walsh

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                    • GLENN
                      ... The UP set does appear to be close to Z scale. The miniature sets tend to be too small for Z scale. The Polar Express steamer may be useable as a park
                      Message 10 of 16 , Jul 16, 2010
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                        --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Creighton Sr <bigtrain6@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > what coupon?
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > I sometimes get a coupon for Hallmark purchases in the mail for the local store. Usually mixed in with coupons for other local business like Jiffy Lube I can't use.

                        The UP set does appear to be close to Z scale. The miniature sets tend to be too small for Z scale. The Polar Express steamer may be useable as a park engine. Needs a tender.
                        I'm watching for the Vacation House that may be useful. Too bad the church series has ended.
                      • Randall Smidt
                        I measured the whole three car set last night (The only prototype dimension I could find online was the length of the entire three car train set) and it scales
                        Message 11 of 16 , Jul 17, 2010
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                          I measured the whole three car set last night (The only prototype dimension I could find online was the length of the entire three car train set) and it scales out about 3% larger than Z or about 1/210th scale.  Width measures out to 11.5' wide (in 1/220).

                          Interesting thing about this set is that the cars are joined together by magnets in the articulated part/vestibule section instead of by couplers.  The power car is cast metal and the cars are plastic.  I noticed that the brown paint color on the power car is slightly different than on the cars, probably due to one being metal and the other being plastic.

                          The M-10000 was a three car set as this ornament set is, but the box says it is a model of (the Lionel toy train of) the M-10001 which was run as a longer train set with a sleeper.  The car numbers used don't quite seem to match up though.  Still have to check that (as well as dig out my drawings that are currently buried in the basement).

                          This is one I've personally been hoping for for a long time.

                          Randy

                          --- On Fri, 7/16/10, GLENN <glennwoodle@...> wrote:

                          From: GLENN <glennwoodle@...>
                          Subject: [Z_Scale] Re: Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010
                          To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:01 PM


                          The UP set does appear to be close to Z scale. The miniature sets tend to be too small for Z scale. The Polar Express steamer may be useable as a park engine. Needs a tender.

                          I'm watching for the Vacation House that may be useful. Too bad the church series has ended.

                          _,_._,___












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                        • Danny Goodman
                          There is a difference between the UP M-1000x trains and Lionel s versions. It s true that the UP (prototype) City of Portland entered service as a 6-car train.
                          Message 12 of 16 , Jul 18, 2010
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                            There is a difference between the UP M-1000x trains and Lionel's versions. It's true that the UP (prototype) City of Portland entered service as a 6-car train. But AFAIK, Lionel's version of the CoP was only three cars total with perhaps an available extra car (I don't have any Lionel prewar catalogs to confirm, but their more recent commemorative issue of the M-10000 had an optional extra car). The 752W, 753, and 754 numbers on the ornaments (Lionel numbers) are consistent with prewar models I've seen (although there was also a 752E engine, both in UP colors -- I'm not sure the difference between the two issues, perhaps the E was City of Salina M-10000).

                            I have an original copy of the Ranks/Kratville UP Streamliners book, which contains a museum full of photos (including construction and component photos) and drawings of these extraordinary trains. The M-1000x series is by far my favorite in all of traindom.

                            Danny

                            --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, Randall Smidt <randy@...> wrote:

                            >
                            > The M-10000 was a three car set as this ornament set is, but the box says it is a model of (the Lionel toy train of) the M-10001 which was run as a longer train set with a sleeper.  The car numbers used don't quite seem to match up though. 
                          • Rocco
                            Coupon? How is one obtained? ________________________________ From: Randall Smidt To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010
                            Message 13 of 16 , Aug 25, 2010
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                              Coupon? How is one obtained?





                              ________________________________
                              From: Randall Smidt <randy@...>
                              To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 7:21:55 PM
                              Subject: Re: [Z_Scale] Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010


                              I picked up one of the M-10000 sets last night, but haven't had a chance to
                              measure it yet. It seems about the right size, but since the prototype train
                              itself was a little on the small side, I can't tell for sure until I dig out my
                              drawings and compare the measurements.

                              The gauge is about 7.5mm which is big for Z, but gauge doesn't mean much for
                              Hallmark ornaments. It scales out to about 78' long and 12-14' wide for the
                              power unit, which sounds about right for a passenger car, but as I said, this
                              was a small train.

                              I saw the polar express train as well. No tender (not really a problem), and it
                              is plastic and not as detailed as some other Hallmark ornaments, but it does
                              seem to be the right size. I haven't bought one yet (forgot and left my coupon
                              at home).

                              In October, they will release the miniature train set with a steam engine
                              (2-4-2), tender, and gondola. Might or moght not be too small.

                              Randy

                              --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Loren Snyder <ljsnyder@...> wrote:

                              From: Loren Snyder <ljsnyder@...>
                              Subject: Re: [Z_Scale] Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010
                              To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 5:05 PM



                              Hallmark is also offering the Berkshire steam that is featured in Polar

                              Express. I've seen it and it looks like it might be fairly close to Z scale

                              Not too bad a looking loco if you don't get up too awfully close. The

                              three foot rule would certainly work in this case.

                              Loren

                              -------Original Message-------

                              From: CJ Walsh

                              Date: 7/15/2010 10:54:20 AM

                              To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com

                              Subject: [Z_Scale] Hallmark Keepsake Ornament for 2010

                              This year Hallmark is offering the Lionel UP M-10000 in their Keepsake

                              Christmas ornament series. It will be interesting to see if it is close

                              to Z-scale.

                              From their catalog:

                              LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Locomotive

                              Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.

                              $18.95 USA QX8626

                              LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Long Coach

                              Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 1/2" W.

                              $14.95 USA QXI2023

                              LIONEL® Union Pacific Streamliner Buffet Coach

                              Wheels turn. Handcrafted and metal. 3 3/4" W.

                              $14.95 USA QXI2013

                              You can see all three pieces in the on-line catalog at Hallmark.com.

                              Cheerz,

                              CJ Walsh

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