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  • bill
    Ok, a few dumb questions, I have been contiplating doing a layout for some time, and so I would need to do decals, I was wondering, could use a color copier
    Message 1 of 9 , Jan 8, 2010
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      Ok, a few dumb questions, I have been contiplating doing a layout for some time, and so I would need to do decals, I was wondering, could use a color copier with decal paper? by using say, N scale or HO decals, reduce the scale to z and copy? just wondering if this would work

      Bill

      --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "misszscale" <spangle543@...> wrote:
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      > Would Letraset dry transfer lettering work for you? It was primarily used for professional graphic design before advanced computer programs. It still exists and comes in different fonts in sheets of letters and numbers of different sizes. It also comes in white and black. Here is a completed eBay auction with pictures of sheets of it:
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      > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Letraset-Dry-Transfer-WHITE-LETTERING-Sheets_W0QQitemZ260524788888QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20091217?IMSfp=TL091217185002r10591
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      > Here are other websites:
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      > http://www.letraset.com/
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      > http://www.fredaldous.co.uk/shop-online/letraset-rub-down-lettering-a5.htm
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      > http://www.letraset.com/design/shopdisplaycategories.asp?id=57&cat=Letraset+Transfers
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      > If you use it, you will need a burnishing tool or something small, hard and round to rub the letters onto the surface. Be sure to keep the lettering straight. When completed it is virtually permanent and I could only remove it from my projects by scraping it with an exacto knife.
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      > Best wishes for a Happy New Year!
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      > --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, William Davis <davis_ws@> wrote:
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      > > Happy New Year to One and All!!
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      > > I was wondering about decal printing:
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      > > The best printer to use was the Alps as it had a white cartridge - However finding these now is getting more and more difficult and expensive
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      > > Is there an affordable alternative to the Alps?
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      > > My idea ( bright ? ) is to clean out an old black cartridge and fill it with white ink and do a two stage print:
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      > > One with the white cartridge and then swop in the real black and do a second pass
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      > > The two potential problems I can forsee are:
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      > > 1. Cleaning out the black ink - should be possible eventually
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      > > 2. Registration for the second pass - some printers are much more accurate paper feeders than others
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      > > What do our decal gurus think? I have yet to try ( still waiting for my black cartridge to empty )
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    • Alan Cox
      On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:53:21 -0000 ... That depends on a few things - If you need white in the decals - If you have access to a high end copier (cheap ones
      Message 2 of 9 , Jan 8, 2010
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        On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:53:21 -0000
        "bill" <technoguy66@...> wrote:

        > Ok, a few dumb questions, I have been contiplating doing a layout for some time, and so I would need to do decals, I was wondering, could use a color copier with decal paper? by using say, N scale or HO decals, reduce the scale to z and copy? just wondering if this would work

        That depends on a few things
        - If you need white in the decals
        - If you have access to a high end copier (cheap ones don't have the
        resolution of scanning)
        - If you own the rights to copy and modify the decals

        Almost all printers and copiers cannot print white, so you either use a
        white backing which limits what you can do or stick them on white or near
        white surfaces.

        The old ALPS printers could do white and some specialist decal printers
        still use them and keep them patched up and running for now. Beyond that
        you need specialist equipment to do decals effectively.

        In the US in particular you also need lots of permissions in order to
        produce original decals based on actual rail company logos and marks. The
        commercial decal producers will have secured licences for the ones they
        produce and may well pay royalties as well.

        For a few cases it'll work. If you've got decal artwork designed to go
        over a white surface, or where you can trim the edges (eg signs) then you
        can rescale larger decals if you have permission to do so (eg many free
        internet downloads or ones made off your own photographs of stuff like
        notices). You would however be far better shrinking them on a computer
        and printing them rather than copying them. Some of the decal papers now
        are suitable for inkjet use, although as inkjet inks are water soluble
        care is needed in working with them.

        Alan
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