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  • misszscale
    Would Letraset dry transfer lettering work for you? It was primarily used for professional graphic design before advanced computer programs. It still exists
    Message 1 of 9 , Dec 31, 2009
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      Would Letraset dry transfer lettering work for you? It was primarily used for professional graphic design before advanced computer programs. It still exists and comes in different fonts in sheets of letters and numbers of different sizes. It also comes in white and black. Here is a completed eBay auction with pictures of sheets of it:

      http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Letraset-Dry-Transfer-WHITE-LETTERING-Sheets_W0QQitemZ260524788888QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20091217?IMSfp=TL091217185002r10591

      Here are other websites:

      http://www.letraset.com/

      http://www.fredaldous.co.uk/shop-online/letraset-rub-down-lettering-a5.htm

      http://www.letraset.com/design/shopdisplaycategories.asp?id=57&cat=Letraset+Transfers

      If you use it, you will need a burnishing tool or something small, hard and round to rub the letters onto the surface. Be sure to keep the lettering straight. When completed it is virtually permanent and I could only remove it from my projects by scraping it with an exacto knife.

      Best wishes for a Happy New Year!

      Eileen




      --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, William Davis <davis_ws@...> wrote:
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      > Happy New Year to One and All!!
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      > I was wondering about decal printing:
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      > The best printer to use was the Alps as it had a white cartridge - However finding these now is getting more and more difficult and expensive
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      > Is there an affordable alternative to the Alps?
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      > My idea ( bright ? ) is to clean out an old black cartridge and fill it with white ink and do a two stage print:
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      > One with the white cartridge and then swop in the real black and do a second pass
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      > The two potential problems I can forsee are:
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      > 1. Cleaning out the black ink - should be possible eventually
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      > 2. Registration for the second pass - some printers are much more accurate paper feeders than others
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      > What do our decal gurus think? I have yet to try ( still waiting for my black cartridge to empty )
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    • soccrdad
      Happy New Year to you William, and to all of the Z community! I would concur with the advice given... But here is a company that will print your white decals
      Message 2 of 9 , Jan 1, 2010
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        Happy New Year to you William, and to all of the Z community!

        I would concur with the advice given... But here is a company that will print your white decals for you. Contact Jeffrey Damerst at Shawmut Car Shops. His web site is www . shawmutcarshops . com

        About three months ago, I was his first Z-scale customer, and since then I have had several other projects for him. He does have several RR licenses. You can either design your own decals, or work with him and he will design the decal layout. Usually a proto photo is helpful in the design. You can check out an example on zcentralstation, I have some photos of Soo Line 40' boxcars commemorating the Soo Lock's Centennial Birthday.

        Depending on the decal layout, I can usually get 12 or more cars decaled for under $25.00 on a 8 1/2" x 11" decal sheet. The only drawback that I have had is that the boxcar data is unreadable (blocky)

        I hope this helps!

        John
        Saginaw, MI

        --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, William Davis <davis_ws@...> wrote:
        >
        > Happy New Year to One and All!!
        >
        > I was wondering about decal printing:
        >
        > The best printer to use was the Alps as it had a white cartridge - However finding these now is getting more and more difficult and expensive
        >
        > Is there an affordable alternative to the Alps?
        >
        > My idea ( bright ? ) is to clean out an old black cartridge and fill it with white ink and do a two stage print:
        >
        > One with the white cartridge and then swop in the real black and do a second pass
        >
        > The two potential problems I can forsee are:
        >
        > 1. Cleaning out the black ink - should be possible eventually
        >
        > 2. Registration for the second pass - some printers are much more accurate paper feeders than others
        >
        > What do our decal gurus think? I have yet to try ( still waiting for my black cartridge to empty )
        > _________________________________________________________________
      • bill
        Ok, a few dumb questions, I have been contiplating doing a layout for some time, and so I would need to do decals, I was wondering, could use a color copier
        Message 3 of 9 , Jan 8, 2010
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          Ok, a few dumb questions, I have been contiplating doing a layout for some time, and so I would need to do decals, I was wondering, could use a color copier with decal paper? by using say, N scale or HO decals, reduce the scale to z and copy? just wondering if this would work

          Bill

          --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "misszscale" <spangle543@...> wrote:
          >
          > Would Letraset dry transfer lettering work for you? It was primarily used for professional graphic design before advanced computer programs. It still exists and comes in different fonts in sheets of letters and numbers of different sizes. It also comes in white and black. Here is a completed eBay auction with pictures of sheets of it:
          >
          > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Letraset-Dry-Transfer-WHITE-LETTERING-Sheets_W0QQitemZ260524788888QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20091217?IMSfp=TL091217185002r10591
          >
          > Here are other websites:
          >
          > http://www.letraset.com/
          >
          > http://www.fredaldous.co.uk/shop-online/letraset-rub-down-lettering-a5.htm
          >
          > http://www.letraset.com/design/shopdisplaycategories.asp?id=57&cat=Letraset+Transfers
          >
          > If you use it, you will need a burnishing tool or something small, hard and round to rub the letters onto the surface. Be sure to keep the lettering straight. When completed it is virtually permanent and I could only remove it from my projects by scraping it with an exacto knife.
          >
          > Best wishes for a Happy New Year!
          >
          > Eileen
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, William Davis <davis_ws@> wrote:
          > >
          > >
          > > Happy New Year to One and All!!
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > I was wondering about decal printing:
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > The best printer to use was the Alps as it had a white cartridge - However finding these now is getting more and more difficult and expensive
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Is there an affordable alternative to the Alps?
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > My idea ( bright ? ) is to clean out an old black cartridge and fill it with white ink and do a two stage print:
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > One with the white cartridge and then swop in the real black and do a second pass
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > The two potential problems I can forsee are:
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > 1. Cleaning out the black ink - should be possible eventually
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > 2. Registration for the second pass - some printers are much more accurate paper feeders than others
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > What do our decal gurus think? I have yet to try ( still waiting for my black cartridge to empty )
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > _________________________________________________________________
          > > Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you.
          > > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > >
          >
        • Alan Cox
          On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:53:21 -0000 ... That depends on a few things - If you need white in the decals - If you have access to a high end copier (cheap ones
          Message 4 of 9 , Jan 8, 2010
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            On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:53:21 -0000
            "bill" <technoguy66@...> wrote:

            > Ok, a few dumb questions, I have been contiplating doing a layout for some time, and so I would need to do decals, I was wondering, could use a color copier with decal paper? by using say, N scale or HO decals, reduce the scale to z and copy? just wondering if this would work

            That depends on a few things
            - If you need white in the decals
            - If you have access to a high end copier (cheap ones don't have the
            resolution of scanning)
            - If you own the rights to copy and modify the decals

            Almost all printers and copiers cannot print white, so you either use a
            white backing which limits what you can do or stick them on white or near
            white surfaces.

            The old ALPS printers could do white and some specialist decal printers
            still use them and keep them patched up and running for now. Beyond that
            you need specialist equipment to do decals effectively.

            In the US in particular you also need lots of permissions in order to
            produce original decals based on actual rail company logos and marks. The
            commercial decal producers will have secured licences for the ones they
            produce and may well pay royalties as well.

            For a few cases it'll work. If you've got decal artwork designed to go
            over a white surface, or where you can trim the edges (eg signs) then you
            can rescale larger decals if you have permission to do so (eg many free
            internet downloads or ones made off your own photographs of stuff like
            notices). You would however be far better shrinking them on a computer
            and printing them rather than copying them. Some of the decal papers now
            are suitable for inkjet use, although as inkjet inks are water soluble
            care is needed in working with them.

            Alan
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