## Re: [Z_Scale] The Metric System

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• Yes, and besides that you have earth miles, nautical miles and air miles, each of them with a different value. Lets measure speed in furlongs per quarter.
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Yes, and besides that you have earth miles, nautical miles and air miles,
each of them with a different value.

Lets measure speed in furlongs per quarter.

Roger

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Chris <cmanvell@...> wrote:

>
> When I was writing a handbook for the US equipment I mentioned in an
> earlier post, I discovered that there were three different nautical
> miles: international 6080ft, UK: 6000ft and another obscure one that I
> no longer have my documents to be able to give its exact value but I
> suspect that it was a metric mile!
>
> Talking of model railway scales, go and look at the Wikipaedia article
> at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_railway_scales .
>
> 2009/3/1 David Barnblatt <DBarnblatt@... <DBarnblatt%40usa.net>>:
> > With video, it is based on a electronic frequency... which just
> > happens to be 60hz. So 30 fps would have 1 frame per complete
> > cycle. Now do you want me to explain getting a 24 fps movie to a
> > 60hz broadcast with a 3/2 pulldown?!
>
> Except that over here we use 50Hz!
>
> The Imperial measurement system is one that was developed over 100's
> of years, with new units being added as and when required. For
> instance, 'lines' (12=1in) and 'points' (72 to the inch) didn't exist
> until printing came along. The furlong (furrow long) was the length of
> a serf's patch of land and was the length of the plough's (plow's)
> furrow. Chains were used by surveyors, as were rods/poles/perches,
> though I cannot see where the word perch came into it. Even teh metric
> system has changed. When I was a student it was SI (Systeme
> Internationale) and cgs (centimetre and gram and second) system. Then
> it became ISO (international standards organisation) which is mks
> (metre kilogram second) based. My book of conversion factors is a 5mm
> thick quarto size with small print.
>
> The railway standard gauge can be traced back to the wheel spacing of
> Roman chariots. Who cared that it was 4ft 8.25 inches. It was just the
> length of a piece of wood of an iron bar used by the track layers.
>
> Hope all that compounds the confusion!!!!
>
> Chris.
>
> --
> Chris Manvell
> http://trains.manvell.org.uk, http://family.manvell.org.uk,
> http://skye.manvell.org.uk, http://bahai-faith.manvell.org.uk.
>
>

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• David in fact swiss german is the easiest language of the world. no grammatic, just present, future and past perfect; and if you misspell a word just say it s
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David

in fact swiss german is the easiest language of the world. no grammatic, just present, future and past perfect; and if you misspell a word just say it's another swiss accent :-)

Daniel

<1b. Re: The Metric System
< Posted by: "David K. Smith" david@... dks2855
< Date: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:28 pm ((PST))<<
<
<5280 feet in one mile. Very simple? Err... what about nautical miles?
<Tons or metric tons? Ounces or troy ounces? All of those arbitrary
<conversion numbers--5280, 12, 4, 3, etc.--must all be memorized. For
<metric, *everything* is based on 10. Nothing to remember. It cannot
<get any simpler.
<
<It's like saying English is the easiest language in the world. Well,
<it is only if you already know it! (The Cambridge Grammar of the
<English Language book is 1860 pages.) Spanish is actually considered
<one of the easiest languages in the world. Why? Virtually no
<exceptions. The same rules apply in all cases. Simple. Just like 10s.
<
<I'm really very sorry the US did not convert to metric when it was
<proposed all those years ago. The government cowtowed to a population
<of pig-headed people who simply refused to accept a superior system.
<What a waste.
<
<--David<
<
<http://jamesriverbranch.net/
<http://1-220.blogspot.com/

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• ... Mostly urban legend I m afraid. You can start with the fact the Britons were using chariots before the Romans (in fact the word car comes from the
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> The railway standard gauge can be traced back to the wheel spacing of
> Roman chariots. Who cared that it was 4ft 8.25 inches. It was just the
> length of a piece of wood of an iron bar used by the track layers.

Mostly urban legend I'm afraid. You can start with the fact the Britons
were using chariots before the Romans (in fact the word 'car' comes from
the Brythonic) and then look at early dramroad/waggonway history and the
story all falls apart.

The nearest anyone has gotten to sanity on this is that it looks like a
lot of wooden waggonways would have been 5' wide measured across the
outside edges and that being about right for a horse.

People tend to remember the 7' gauge and the 4'8" but forget the
large amounts of other gauges early on before railways began to link up
and break of gauge became a problem.

In the UK collieries did often use something in the 4'0-5'0 range but
there were a huge mix, while some of the Welsh ones used quite narrow
tracks even before steam.

The Pen Y Darren locomotive (Trevithick) was believed to be 4'6" gauge
as the inside of the flanges was recorded as 4'2" while Puffing Billy was
5' gauge. Blenkinsops engines at Middleton colliery ran on 4'1" gauge
track (with an outside rack). It is only the early Stephenson railways
that any kind of consistency begins to emerge.

I was under the impression the US , particularly southern US was similar
in this respect.
• Hi Alan. I bow to your superior knowledge. I have to admit, I was alwasy a bit uneasy about it but it was cited by so may that I just assumed it was, in some
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Hi Alan.

I bow to your superior knowledge. I have to admit, I was alwasy a bit
uneasy about it but it was cited by so may that I just assumed it was,
in some way, correct. However, this myth was perpetuated by several
eminent railway authors at the time of my youth. I wonder how may
books on railways still quote it - I have no time nor wish to follow
it up now.

All the best,
Chris.

2009/3/1 Alan Cox <alan@...>:
>> The railway standard gauge can be traced back to the wheel spacing of
>> Roman chariots. Who cared that it was 4ft 8.25 inches. It was just the
>> length of a piece of wood of an iron bar used by the track layers.
>
> Mostly urban legend I'm afraid. You can start with the fact the Britons
> were using chariots before the Romans (in fact the word 'car' comes from
> the Brythonic) and then look at early dramroad/waggonway history and the
> story all falls apart.

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http://skye.manvell.org.uk, http://bahai-faith.manvell.org.uk.
• I was caught up when the schools were teaching metric. The problem was that the whole emphasis was on teaching conversions. How many feet is a meter? How
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I was caught up when the schools were teaching metric. The problem was that the whole emphasis was on teaching conversions. How many feet is a meter? How many pints in a liter? How many mph is 65 kph?

If we'd just ditched imperial and taught metric people would have been fine. The conversions killed us. That and it being invented by the French :}

Michael Duggan
Jack of All Trades, Master of Some
http://www.pawofabear.com

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From: David K. Smith <david@...>
To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:28:24 PM
Subject: [Z_Scale] Re: The Metric System

I'm really very sorry the US did not convert to metric when it was

proposed all those years ago. The government cowtowed to a population
of pig-headed people who simply refused to accept a superior system.
What a waste.

--David

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• I prefer my Z scale ruler for Z scale !!!!! Thom Welsch
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I prefer my Z scale ruler for Z scale !!!!!

Thom Welsch
• Daniel, My dad didn t even consider Swiss German a language at all. He always called it a throat disease. :-) Manfred
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Daniel,

My dad didn't even consider Swiss German a language at all. He always
called it a throat disease. :-)

Manfred

Daniel Baechtold wrote:
> David
>
> in fact swiss german is the easiest language of the world. no grammatic, just present, future and past perfect; and if you misspell a word just say it's another swiss accent :-)
>
> Daniel
>
>
> <1b. Re: The Metric System
> < Posted by: "David K. Smith" david@... dks2855
> < Date: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:28 pm ((PST))<<
> <
> <5280 feet in one mile. Very simple? Err... what about nautical miles?
> <Tons or metric tons? Ounces or troy ounces? All of those arbitrary
> <conversion numbers--5280, 12, 4, 3, etc.--must all be memorized. For
> <metric, *everything* is based on 10. Nothing to remember. It cannot
> <get any simpler.
> <
> <It's like saying English is the easiest language in the world. Well,
> <it is only if you already know it! (The Cambridge Grammar of the
> <English Language book is 1860 pages.) Spanish is actually considered
> <one of the easiest languages in the world. Why? Virtually no
> <exceptions. The same rules apply in all cases. Simple. Just like 10s.
> <
> <I'm really very sorry the US did not convert to metric when it was
> <proposed all those years ago. The government cowtowed to a population
> <of pig-headed people who simply refused to accept a superior system.
> <What a waste.
> <
> <--David<
> <
> <http://jamesriverbranch.net/
> <http://1-220.blogspot.com/
>
• Hello Manfred, ... ...you must have misunderstood something there... Just imagine a nice slender girl reaching you a sweet Swiss Schoggi ... ...and you will
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Hello Manfred,

> My dad didn't even consider Swiss German a language at all. He always
> called it a throat disease. :-)

...you must have misunderstood something there...

Just imagine a nice slender girl reaching you a sweet Swiss "Schoggi"...

...and you will see that it is the most beautiful language of the
world....

;-)))

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GreetingZ
Uwe
• AHHHhh. Well if you put it that way I can see that it is a very nice language. Heck I m so broad minded that I will even say that it wouldn t matter what
Message 9 of 16 , Mar 1, 2009
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AHHHhh. Well if you put it that way I can see that it is a very nice
language. Heck I'm so broad minded that I will even say that it wouldn't
matter what language she was using. I would like it very much. ;-D

I wonder if that is due to the girl or what she is holding? Nah, better
not to analyze to much.

Manfred

Uwe Liermann wrote:
> Hello Manfred,
>
>
>>My dad didn't even consider Swiss German a language at all. He always
>>called it a throat disease. :-)
>
>
> ...you must have misunderstood something there...
>
> Just imagine a nice slender girl reaching you a sweet Swiss "Schoggi"...
>
> ...and you will see that it is the most beautiful language of the
> world....
>
> ;-)))
>
>
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