Editorial: Re: Improved Armadillo Z Scale Pages
- Dear members of the list, dear Jeffrey MacHan
First I would like to thank you all for visiting Armadillo's website.
I'm very happy that my work of collecting and setting up valuable
information for everybody interested in Z scale is so much
appreciated. But in his statement of today, Jeffrey MacHan has set up
some suggestions, which I think I have to answer here in public.
I started the Armadillo infopool about four years ago when there were
some first mailinglists on the web, but none of them was offering any
kind of archive. I then simply thought it would be a good thing not
to waste so many valuable inputs but to set up a kind of info-
warehouse concerning any kind of problem that might occur in
operating our little trains. I also set up an event and several
literature pages. This time intensive service from my side was -
without exception - very much appreciated by all visitors of my
During the last years, my infopool has steadily grown with my aim to
provide as much concentrated and comprehensive knowledge as possible
to my visitors. As it always was a hobby for me, I never gave any
thought about who was temporarely hosting an information, as long as
I thought is was useful to the audience of z enthusiasts and nobody
had any objection against it. Now, times seem to have changed...
Jeffrey MacHan is absolutely right - I should have asked the
permission of the authors of the collected articles. He is right,
too, that about 20 percent of the tips and tricks of my infopool
pages are based on statements/e-mails out of this z scale yahoo
forum. The rest is mainly based upon discussions from other lists of
which I am or was a member, too; some of them unfortunately are no
longer online today. Last but not least, yes, 5 of 77 entries on my
event pages are copied from his train show database, meanwhile all
others were or are still being researched by myself. He is wrong
concerning the missing source-indications on my pages: the author of
a statement - the one and only owner of a copyright - is always named
at the end of every article - as long as I could retrieve a name from
the original e-mail. When I started with the infopool, I also put an
e-mail or web-address as an additional reference to the author
besides the name, but I had to find out that about 50 percent of
these addresses tend to change within a year. So I decided to take
off all of these contact possibilities in order not to send my
visitors into space. And, in fact, there was and is an active link to
the z scale yahoo forum on my link page, category Magazines and
Mailinglists, where it simply belongs. Amen.
So, if any author of a statement in my infopool has any objections
against being in there, I will remove his or her statement at once -
even if it would really be a pitty for the contents of the entire
information provided upon a subject. Just let me know.
Finally, I would like to make an free offer to Jeffrey MacHan and the
z scale yahoo forum: send me a banner-graphic (preferably 234 x 60 or
110 x 60 pixels, GIF-format), a link-URL and a link text to the z-
scale yahoo forum, and I will put it on every infopool-page (both
language versions) in the right down corner besides the page
navigation, where it is always clearly visible. I think this would be
the best place to promote the z scale forum. What do you think?
Have a nice weekend - Jeffrey, I hope you don't mind my statement!
Patrick Guertler, http://www.armadillo.ch
--- In z_scale@y..., jmac_han@h... wrote:
> Dear Members,
> Since I always accept an invitation to explore Z related web sites,
> I took the time to go through every page of Patrick's (Armadillo)
> website. I congratulate him on his efforts to warehouse
> information concerning our favourite scale. However, I have
> several suggestions to make:
> 1. a large number of articles in his 'infopool' or article
> are copied directly, word for word, from this group. I encourage
> the exchange of information concerning Z model railroading. I
> am quite sensitive to 'borrowing' of material without going to the
> trouble of asking permission from this list or the authors.
> I have indicated to Patrick that I have no personal objection to
> use of articles that I have posted to Z_Scale. I can't speak for
> numerous other members whose postings have been added to
> Armadillo's database.
> I got a chuckle reading Patrick's legal notice disassociating
> himself from any copyright infringement that the "authors" of his
> 'borrowed' articles might be guilty of. There seems to be a bit of
> irony in this situation!.
> I do have a serious suggestion in the interest of giving credit
> where credit is due. I would like to see the message number
> from the Z_Scale message archive and the Z_Scale URL
> accompany messages that have been copied from this site.
> This would identify Z_Scale as the source and give the reader
> the opportunity to consult the original message and to read
> follow-up postings to it on Z_Scale. The author would also be
> adequately identified with his or her contribution.
> 2. material and information from other areas of this list such as
> the Train Show database have also been cut and pasted into the
> Armadillo site. I went to the trouble of doing the research myself
> and by gathering information supplied to me privately by
> members of this list. Once again, when copying with no change
> from the original the source should certainly be identified and
> permission obtained.
> 3. there is a link to Z_Scale but in the incorrect category! I
> like to see a clear reference to Z_Scale as being the source for
> articles and other information in the Armadillo site. In fact,
> reference to Z_Scale should be an active link to this group. It
> would direct new members to this list which is the one of the key
> In conclusion, I applaud the existence of quality web sites that
> promote Z. I believe that these sites should also promote the
> sources of their material and information. This is called
> reciprocity and respect.
> Jeffrey MacHan
> --- In z_scale@y..., pguertler@h... wrote:
> > Almost 11'000 visitors on Armadillo's Z scale pages up to now!
> > This was reason enough to redesign our website. We have
> improved the
> > layout and have added a more userfriendly navigation, which
> > in easier and faster access to the information you are looking
> > Besides our own experiences with Z scale, our pages contain:
> > - a comprehensive list of articles and books ever published
> > Z-scale
> > - infopool: a steadily growing collection of tips and tricks in
> > setting up Z-scale layouts and maintaining rolling stock
> > (containing many tips and tricks out of different Z-scale
> > mailinglists)
> > - lists with links, addresses and event dates
> > - downloads
> > Regards
> > Patrick Guertler
> > P.S. Please sign our guestbook
- Hello Patrick,
I was looking forward to your reply. Thank you for the historical background
concerning your site and infopool in particular.
I especially like your offer to add a Z_Scale banner to the infopool pages.
More on that later. I still think that it would be helpful if you
mentioning exactly what you said below in the preamble statement on the
infopool title page, i.e. that the articles contained in Infopool are the
copyright of their respective authors.
I respectfully resubmit that including the article archive # from Z_Scale
would also help to identify the source mailing list. I imagine other lists
offer mesage archiving. It seems to be one of the advantages of the Yahoo
service in any case.
As for a banner for Z_Scale, I think we should ask for submissions from the
list for a graphic. We could then vote on the proposals. I'll certainly
try to come up with something for the competition. In the meantime,
Patrick, I'll send you a temporary banner so that you can add it to the
infopool pages as you so generously offered.
I'm with you on the need to promote Z and provide fine sources of
>Subject: [z_scale] Editorial: Re: Improved Armadillo Z Scale Pages
>Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:37:28 -0000
>Dear members of the list, dear Jeffrey MacHan
>First I would like to thank you all for visiting Armadillo's website.
>I'm very happy that my work of collecting and setting up valuable
>information for everybody interested in Z scale is so much
>appreciated. But in his statement of today, Jeffrey MacHan has set up
>some suggestions, which I think I have to answer here in public.
>And, in fact, there was and is an active link to
>the z scale yahoo forum on my link page, category Magazines and
>Mailinglists, where it simply belongs. Amen.
>Finally, I would like to make an free offer to Jeffrey MacHan and the)
>z scale yahoo forum: send me a banner-graphic (preferably 234 x 60 or
>110 x 60 pixels, GIF-format), a link-URL and a link text to the z-
>scale yahoo forum, and I will put it on every infopool-page (both
>language versions) in the right down corner besides the page
>navigation, where it is always clearly visible. I think this would be
>the best place to promote the z scale forum. What do you think?
>Have a nice weekend - Jeffrey, I hope you don't mind my statement!
>Patrick Guertler, http://www.armadillo.ch
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