Re: [Z_Scale] Proposal: Regional Z scale Convention for DFW in early '06
- I would drive from CC to SA for the day or overnight
but not to DFW.
--- Jim Hinds <jjhinds@...> wrote:
> Adam, Group:=== message truncated ===
> Please keep in mind that the Plano (NE Dallas) Train
> Show always occurs around the middle of January, and
> it draws a far more serious crowd than GATS. There
> are always plenty of Z Scale folks from all around
> Texas for that event, with a nice layout (but not
> huge). People who put on train shows usually pray
> for bad weather, so folks will come to the show
> (indoors) rather than going to amusement parks and
> ball games. The Plano folks seem to have identified
> the ideal weekend for that.
> Here's another possibility to be considered. Around
> the first weekend in August, a train club in San
> Antonio is sponsoring a train show featuring VERY
> LARGE layouts. Last year there was a very large N
> Scale layout. I believe Larry Donsbach is lurking
> out there somewhere, reading these postings, and he
> could probably tell you more than me. The big deal
> is that they focus on VERY LARGE modular layouts.
> From what I've seen at Plano, I don't think there is
> any extra space for a larger Z Scale layout. It is
> always pretty tight there. There are plenty of
> cheap motels around Plano, for the other activities
> you listed.
> I recommend that nobody should get their hopes up
> about convincing GATS to change any dates. If you
> look at their schedule, it is clear that they lock
> in things years in advance.
> A Z Scale group MIGHT be able to get a lot of
> on-site space at San Antonio in August, particularly
> if it could be a really long, narrow layout like St.
> Louis a few years ago. You could probably get a lot
> of on-site space at a GATS show if you were willing
> to accept their date. I don't see much chance of
> getting any on-site space at Plano, but I've been
> wrong before.
> I don't live in San Antonio, but I feel that it is a
> favorite travel destination for most Texans, with as
> many attractions as the other big Texas cities, but
> not as much traffic. I suspect that there are far
> more serious Z Scalers in Houston and Dallas/Ft.
> Worth than in San Antonio, and that might limit what
> kind of local committee could be formed there.
> Maybe some Houston and Dallas/Ft. Worth folks could
> help if this were being considered.
> One way or another, I hope something like this
> happens. You've done a very nice job of thinking
> things out, to the benefit of the group.
> Jim Hinds
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adam
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> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 5:25 PM
> Subject: [Z_Scale] Proposal: Regional Z scale
> Convention for DFW in early '06
> All (particularly those in Texas and surrounding
> states). I have
> been floating the idea for a regional-based Z
> Scale Convention in
> the Dallas area early next year for a few weeks on
> the chat sessions.
> There is a Great American Train show held at the
> Convention Center in Jan-Feb (until this year it
> was first weekend
> of January, this year it was the first weekend of
> Feb) and I think
> this would make a good event to tie a gathering
> The GATS show is a good draw, and there is plenty
> of space for us to
> build a good-sized layout. (This year there was an
> NTrak layout with
> 55+ modules)
> The idea is this:
> Wednesday evening/Thursday: Convention Attendees
> would arrive
> Thursday: Railfan activities in either Dallas or
> Ft. Worth
> Thursday evening: Convention mixer/informal dinner
> at local
> Friday: Railfan activities in either Dallas or Ft.
> Worth (until
> early afternoon)
> Friday afternoon: Set up layout at GATS show then
> retire for
> dinner / clinics / fun
> Saturday morning: possible railfan / clinics at
> hotel / square away
> Saturday 11-5: GATS show
> Saturday evening: Dinner and auction
> Sunday morning: Convention breakfast /
> manufacturer's briefing
> Sunday 11-5: GATS show
> Sunday 5pm -: Layout breakdown and departure
> sequence! Hope you had
> A few more details from the melon:
> The Region:
> The Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex has something for
> everyone. From
> railfanning activities including The Age of Steam
> Museum, DART's
> light rail and TRE heavy rail connecting the two
> downtowns, to
> BNSF's Operations Center and UP's Centennial Yard.
> There is plenty
> of non railroad-related activities for families:
> with museums, zoos,
> shopping, entertainment, food, and historical
> places such as Dealy
> Plaza/JFK museum, Ripley's Believe it or
> Not/Palace of Wax, Lone
> Star Park (Horse Racing). The climate in North
> Texas tends to be
> mild in the winter, though we have an occasional
> cold snap.
> The City:
> Arlington Texas is located between Dallas and Fort
> Worth, and is a
> few miles south of the DFW International Airport.
> Arlington is known
> as the "Entertainment Capital of Texas", and is
> home of Six Flags
> Over Texas, Hurricane Harbor, The Texas Rangers
> Baseball Team, and
> soon will be home of the Dallas Cowboys.
> The Hotel (and appeal to the stomach):
> The Wyndham Arlington DFW Airport South is located
> next door (like
> 100 yards or so) to the Convention Center, and is
> a nice hotel.
> Rooms appear to run $80+ a night, but I think a
> group rate could
> reduce this with enough interest. There are
> convention/meeting rooms
> to support our needs, and amenities include an
> Airport / Local
> shuttle (within 3 miles which includes a number of
> nice restaurants
> such as Joe's Crab Shack, On The Border, Texas
> Land & Cattle, Red,
> Hot and Blue BBQ, Steak & Ale, and many more!) and
> internet access.
> There are less expensive hotels nearby, though you
> get what you pay
> for and would require taxi/shuttle/driving to get
> to the show.
> If the interest materializes for this regional
> event, I will contact
> GATS with several objectives:
> -Propose that they use the Z Convention / layout
> as a marketing tool
> to increase show attendance
> -See if they will move the date of the show back
> towards March, so
> it is on a weekend when Six Flags is open (for the
> families who may
> -Request floor space for the layout
> -Request an area for clinics
> -Request space for a hospitality area for
> Convention attendees
> (read: rest area to sit for a few and have a Coke
> and a smile)
> Also, I would look to contact and get group rates
> for the hotel.
> -Reduced rates for Convention attendees and their
> -Rates on meeting rooms to host off-hour clinics
> and meetings
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