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Re: [Z_Scale] Proposal: Regional Z scale Convention for DFW in early '06

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  • Tom Fisher
    I would drive from CC to SA for the day or overnight but not to DFW. ... === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You
    Message 1 of 14 , May 30, 2005
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      I would drive from CC to SA for the day or overnight
      but not to DFW.

      --- Jim Hinds <jjhinds@...> wrote:

      > Adam, Group:
      >
      > Please keep in mind that the Plano (NE Dallas) Train
      > Show always occurs around the middle of January, and
      > it draws a far more serious crowd than GATS. There
      > are always plenty of Z Scale folks from all around
      > Texas for that event, with a nice layout (but not
      > huge). People who put on train shows usually pray
      > for bad weather, so folks will come to the show
      > (indoors) rather than going to amusement parks and
      > ball games. The Plano folks seem to have identified
      > the ideal weekend for that.
      >
      > Here's another possibility to be considered. Around
      > the first weekend in August, a train club in San
      > Antonio is sponsoring a train show featuring VERY
      > LARGE layouts. Last year there was a very large N
      > Scale layout. I believe Larry Donsbach is lurking
      > out there somewhere, reading these postings, and he
      > could probably tell you more than me. The big deal
      > is that they focus on VERY LARGE modular layouts.
      >
      > From what I've seen at Plano, I don't think there is
      > any extra space for a larger Z Scale layout. It is
      > always pretty tight there. There are plenty of
      > cheap motels around Plano, for the other activities
      > you listed.
      >
      > I recommend that nobody should get their hopes up
      > about convincing GATS to change any dates. If you
      > look at their schedule, it is clear that they lock
      > in things years in advance.
      >
      > A Z Scale group MIGHT be able to get a lot of
      > on-site space at San Antonio in August, particularly
      > if it could be a really long, narrow layout like St.
      > Louis a few years ago. You could probably get a lot
      > of on-site space at a GATS show if you were willing
      > to accept their date. I don't see much chance of
      > getting any on-site space at Plano, but I've been
      > wrong before.
      >
      > I don't live in San Antonio, but I feel that it is a
      > favorite travel destination for most Texans, with as
      > many attractions as the other big Texas cities, but
      > not as much traffic. I suspect that there are far
      > more serious Z Scalers in Houston and Dallas/Ft.
      > Worth than in San Antonio, and that might limit what
      > kind of local committee could be formed there.
      > Maybe some Houston and Dallas/Ft. Worth folks could
      > help if this were being considered.
      >
      >
      > One way or another, I hope something like this
      > happens. You've done a very nice job of thinking
      > things out, to the benefit of the group.
      >
      >
      > Jim Hinds
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Adam
      > To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 5:25 PM
      > Subject: [Z_Scale] Proposal: Regional Z scale
      > Convention for DFW in early '06
      >
      >
      > All (particularly those in Texas and surrounding
      > states). I have
      > been floating the idea for a regional-based Z
      > Scale Convention in
      > the Dallas area early next year for a few weeks on
      > the chat sessions.
      >
      > There is a Great American Train show held at the
      > Arlington
      > Convention Center in Jan-Feb (until this year it
      > was first weekend
      > of January, this year it was the first weekend of
      > Feb) and I think
      > this would make a good event to tie a gathering
      > into.
      >
      > The GATS show is a good draw, and there is plenty
      > of space for us to
      > build a good-sized layout. (This year there was an
      > NTrak layout with
      > 55+ modules)
      >
      > The idea is this:
      > Wednesday evening/Thursday: Convention Attendees
      > would arrive
      > Thursday: Railfan activities in either Dallas or
      > Ft. Worth
      > Thursday evening: Convention mixer/informal dinner
      > at local
      > restaurant
      > Friday: Railfan activities in either Dallas or Ft.
      > Worth (until
      > early afternoon)
      > Friday afternoon: Set up layout at GATS show then
      > retire for
      > dinner / clinics / fun
      > Saturday morning: possible railfan / clinics at
      > hotel / square away
      > layout
      > Saturday 11-5: GATS show
      > Saturday evening: Dinner and auction
      > Sunday morning: Convention breakfast /
      > manufacturer's briefing
      > Sunday 11-5: GATS show
      > Sunday 5pm -: Layout breakdown and departure
      > sequence! Hope you had
      > fun!
      >
      > A few more details from the melon:
      >
      > The Region:
      > The Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex has something for
      > everyone. From
      > railfanning activities including The Age of Steam
      > Museum, DART's
      > light rail and TRE heavy rail connecting the two
      > downtowns, to
      > BNSF's Operations Center and UP's Centennial Yard.
      > There is plenty
      > of non railroad-related activities for families:
      > with museums, zoos,
      > shopping, entertainment, food, and historical
      > places such as Dealy
      > Plaza/JFK museum, Ripley's Believe it or
      > Not/Palace of Wax, Lone
      > Star Park (Horse Racing). The climate in North
      > Texas tends to be
      > mild in the winter, though we have an occasional
      > cold snap.
      >
      > The City:
      > Arlington Texas is located between Dallas and Fort
      > Worth, and is a
      > few miles south of the DFW International Airport.
      > Arlington is known
      > as the "Entertainment Capital of Texas", and is
      > home of Six Flags
      > Over Texas, Hurricane Harbor, The Texas Rangers
      > Baseball Team, and
      > soon will be home of the Dallas Cowboys.
      >
      > The Hotel (and appeal to the stomach):
      > The Wyndham Arlington DFW Airport South is located
      > next door (like
      > 100 yards or so) to the Convention Center, and is
      > a nice hotel.
      > Rooms appear to run $80+ a night, but I think a
      > group rate could
      > reduce this with enough interest. There are
      > convention/meeting rooms
      > to support our needs, and amenities include an
      > Airport / Local
      > shuttle (within 3 miles which includes a number of
      > nice restaurants
      > such as Joe's Crab Shack, On The Border, Texas
      > Land & Cattle, Red,
      > Hot and Blue BBQ, Steak & Ale, and many more!) and
      > internet access.
      >
      > There are less expensive hotels nearby, though you
      > get what you pay
      > for and would require taxi/shuttle/driving to get
      > to the show.
      >
      > Scheduling:
      > If the interest materializes for this regional
      > event, I will contact
      > GATS with several objectives:
      >
      > -Propose that they use the Z Convention / layout
      > as a marketing tool
      > to increase show attendance
      > -See if they will move the date of the show back
      > towards March, so
      > it is on a weekend when Six Flags is open (for the
      > families who may
      > attend)
      > -Request floor space for the layout
      > -Request an area for clinics
      > -Request space for a hospitality area for
      > Convention attendees
      > (read: rest area to sit for a few and have a Coke
      > and a smile)
      >
      > Also, I would look to contact and get group rates
      > for the hotel.
      > -Reduced rates for Convention attendees and their
      > families
      > -Rates on meeting rooms to host off-hour clinics
      > and meetings
      >
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