Re: [z_scale] About 8993 / Double-pole reverse switch and 0292a?
- Gavin and Manfred:
> Gavin,"Available" applies to those of us who live on "this side" of planet earth.
> Why don't you look around for one of those electronic reversing kits or
> compleated board. <snip> They should be available at train stores.
Gavin lives on the "other" side of the planet earth where train stores are
8,000 miles apart. <smile>
An example of what Manfred is talking about is shown at:
It doesn't rip the motor out because the train actually stops (for a
programmable time) before it reverses. Helmut is correct -- reversing
directions "at speed" is not a good idea. Nor does it look very prototypical
If you shop around the web, I'd expect you can cut the indicated price almost
If you are into building your own circuit from parts, there is a website that
shows how to build one that slows the train down in stages before it stops,
and slowly restarts it in stages going the other way. It isn't complex, but
its not for beginners in "do-it-yourself" electronics either. Let me know if
you are interested in that one (or anyone else).
Hope this helps,
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- --- In email@example.com, "zoooctan" <zoooctan@y...> wrote:
> I intend to include (one of) a single line consisting of a trainthat just travels on
> a single line, reaches the end and then returns i.e. reverses(without a loop).
Here is a product I have used which works very well. Look at the 5214
Shuttle module from Viessmann:
I recommend it. Jeremy
- I actually have one of these (with translation), so it seems that the
next thing to do is to scan it and make it available to whoever needs
it. This may not happen in a hurry as I don't have a scanner, but I will
figure something out.
On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 03:10 AM, zoooctan
> Hello all, I'm intending to revamp my layout and hope for a bit of helpStuart Firth
> on this
> I intend to include (one of) a single line consisting of a train that
> just travels on
> a single line, reaches the end and then returns i.e. reverses (without
> a loop). I
> have read the archives regarding the 8993 and the problems encountered
> with it, but correct me if I'm wrong and all I'll need here for this
> function is
> actually the 8947 Double-Pole Reverse switch right? No 8993 needed?
> Also wondering that if I can use the said 8947 on more than one line
> simultaneously (given that I run separate transformers), or do I need
> one 8947
> per reversing line?
> Thanks very much.
> On a totally separate topic, I've seen, heard...legends of the great
> track plan book in English aka 0292a which from what I gather many
> quote but no one seems to have :) I may be wrong but some online stores
> seem to have it now like Reynauld's Euro Imports. Any one got
> on this that it seems to be available again? If not, if it truely is
> DEAD, then can
> I just go out on a limb here by openly stating, could someone kindly
> upload it
> somewhere where the rest of the z-scalers in the world could have a
> look at it
> instead of just praying that Marklin realises that English speaking
> people still
> buy their z items! This may sound frustrating and honestly - sometimes
> it is.
> Last year, I bought a universal relay for quite a price in a bid to
> solve a
> switching problem but there were no English instructions, and the kind
> couldn't help either. Several of you guys even chipped in, but
> sometimes a
> few emails ain't enough without the right diagrams or illustrations to
> doddle on...you know what I mean. Frustrated, I returned the
> 8945...with my
> problem unsolved, but with the knowledge that somewhere out
> there...was a
> manual which contained the wiring instructions for things like circuit
> the 8945 and now...my latest adventure the 8947.
> Last try, if any of you have a second-hand one that the dog brought out
> to play
> in the rain with... :) I'd still be interested....
> Thanks and sorry for the New Year's babbling.
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- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "zoooctan <zoooctan@y...>"
> I intend to include (one of) a single line consisting of a trainThe perfect solution is here from ZThek (ZThekTronics), a small,
>that just travels on a single line, reaches the end and then
>returns i.e. reverses (without a loop).
(2 1/8" x 2 1/8") auto reversing circuit with timer (actually two
The train stops at the ends, waits, than returns. The time of waiting
is adjustable, and can be different at the two end stations. It hooks
up directly to the Mini-club transformer, and only one!!! pair of
wire connects to the track. No reed or contact (switch) track needed.
The price is less than the suggested retail price of Marklin's 8947.
- Thank you for the advice Jeremy. Could you tell me if the device
will work for multiple (single lines and stations) or do I need one
- --- In email@example.com, "zoooctan" <zoooctan@y...> wrote:
> Could you tell me if the device will work for multipleThe Viessmann 5214 works on a single line with a station at each end.
> (single lines and stations) or do I need one for each?
The train starts at one end, accelerates to a preset maximum speed,
decelerates when it reaches the other end, and stops; it waits a
preset time, then repeats the process in the other direction. The
adjustable presets are: acceleration/deceleration, maximum speed, and
waiting time at each of the two ends. I recommend it because it is so
easy to set up and is self-contained. The maximum voltage to the
track depends on the maximum speed setting, so it is safe for Z
motors whatever voltage it is running off. I think it will work from
the 10V AC output from a Märklin controller but I have not tried that.
Here is a wiring diagram and description in German (!):
You will see that it requires two isolation gaps (Trennstelle), one
at each end, strangely on opposite sides of the track. It can also
control two color-light signals (labelled as 4011). It will run
continuously, or can be wired with "start" pushbuttons.
A much more complicated alternative is available from Heathcote
Electronics in England (who has a US distributor). Look here if you
Hope this helps. Jeremy.
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "zoooctan <zoooctan@y...>" <zoooctan@y...> wrote:
> <snips>Just want to point out to anyone considering posting copyrighted materials
> On a totally separate topic, I've seen, heard...legends of the great Marklin
> track plan book in English aka 0292a ... could someone kindly upload it
> somewhere where the rest of the z-scalers in the world could have a look at it
on the web that this is a violation of both USA and international copyright
law. We are permitted to make a copy of materials we have purchased for
our own personal use, but the distribution -- even without charges -- is another
mater completely. So, .. think before acting. After all, this is an open forum,
and one doesn't know who might be reading any particular post.
Sorry, the book isn't more widely available, but ...
- I think the book may have been re-released. I some what looked like a new copy of it at the Emmaus Z-meet back in November.
From: "rohirrim98236 <rohirrim@...>" <rohirrim@...>
Sent: 01/07/03 12:02 PM
Subject: [z_scale] Re: About 8993 / Double-pole reverse switch and 0292a?
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