Re: [z_scale] Alternative loco types to F7
I did not mean to ignore you.
Your message caused me to have an image in my mind of a Santa Fe FP45.
I knew that somewhere in my files I had pictures of one.
I finally found it. A color picture of Santa Fe FP45 No. 5992 in Santa
Fe "War Bonnet" freight colors of blue and yellow, pulling a special 7
car passenger train in 1984.
This could be a fine Z scale locomotive with plenty of room for a 10 mm
Thank you for jogging my memory.
My preference for a new Z scale locomotive is still an Alco PA-1 in
Daylight colors. I saw it almost daily pulling the San Joaquin Daylight
along San Fernando Road heading for Los Angeles. I never thought to
> From: Dieter_Mac_Nolte@...
> Dear Bill,
> I do have some difficulties to agree with your statement, that an EMD F45 may
> look somewhat strange, when pulling the shorter freight equipment used in the E
> and F era, i.e. 1945 to 1963 and thereafter. The E-series locos have a length of
> about 70 ft, the EMD F45 loco has a length of only about 63 ft. It was
> manufactured from 1968 to 1971, not soooo much more modern. In fact it was
> basically an SD45 with a full-width hood.
> I do even think, a replica of the F45 hood fits perfectly onto a F7 frame of
> All these data I gather from a small paperback booklet I highly recommend, even
> if I found there some obvious errors (C-C truck instead of a B-B truck).
> This booklet is written for train spotters. It shows only black and white
> sketches of E- and Diesel-locos and of more modern freight cars, outpointing
> differences in design. No steam-locos are included!
> So, you are not confused by a fancy colouring or naming of locos and cars,
> as shown in actual photos of locos and cars.
> The data of this booklet are:
> A field guide to trains of North America
> Gerald L. Foster
> ISBN 0-395-70112-0
> Printed in 1996
> Oh yes, I do state, that I do not have any connections with or to the publisher
> of this booklet!
> If somebody out there in the US model railroad universe recommends another
> source of American railroading, please come out.
> Bill Hoshiko schrieb:
> > From: Bill Hoshiko <billhko@...>
> > The problem with the F units and E units is the compound curves that
> > make up the nose of the engines. The PA units are a little simpler but
> > there seems to be a problem of the shape of the roof just above the
> > windshields. The manufactures of these engines in HO and N were
> > criticized for the shape of the nose on the first models manufactured.
> > These units were used by railroads in almost every part of the country.
> > Other "Cab Units" or "covered wagons" were used regionally and some were
> > specific to only one railroad.
> > As for the F45, it is too new for my library of American locomotives. I
> > guess that it is a modern locomotive and therefore would look out of
> > place with the shorter freight equipment used during the E and F era.
> > I imagine that the F45 does not have the complicated curves of the E or
> > F units. Those complicated curves became too expensive to maintain and
> > manufacture. The massive look of the PA units were arrived at by not
> > incorporating complicated designs on the nose. Read "Diesels of the
> > Espee, Volume One" by Roger M. Cortani, Chatam Publishing Co.
> > Modern American equipment require larger radius track curves. The
> > modern freight equipment length is more like the passenger cars of old.
> > An exception would be the articulated container cars that are popular
> > today.
> > The manufacturers of HO and N scale locomotives produced these
> > locomotives and not others for these same reasons. Another unspoken
> > reason was that, once one manufacturer produced a model another
> > manufacture just copied it. A lot of the copies included all the
> > mistakes of the first and even included mold parting lines. New molds
> > and patterns are very expensive and the market back in the 50's and 60's
> > was not that big.
> > There are even some requests for switchers. I don't know how many cars
> > one of those box cab locos from Freudreich Feinwerktechnik can haul but
> > if you can cram an electric motor and gears into a Z scale SW1200 I
> > don't think that it would have enough traction to pull many cars even on
> > level track. A train of any length would be difficult to pull around
> > the sharp curves used in Z.
> > I wish that the first criticisms of the Rouge GP38-2 were specific about
> > the problems found in that locomotive. I've only ran mine back and
> > forth over a piece of flex track and could see not problems. I guess
> > that the problem is mainly that of pulling power. The complaint was of
> > the 8mm motor used. The 8mm motor was necessitated by the narrow hood.
> > Don Bouchard's goal was to manufacture a hooded locomotive so he had to
> > use the smaller motor. (according to his comment in this list)
> > I, for one, am glad that he did it. A hood unit in Z scale! what a
> > concept. Now we have a picture of Kawabarasan's drive for a six wheeled
> > diesel power truck. WOW!
> > Personally I don't care what type of motive power is developed for Z.
> > Just make it under $200.00, with fairly accurate truck side frames and
> > have the manufacturer be profitable.
> > I live about 25 miles south of Disneyland in California. This weekend
> > my family spent four days playing in the snow. We had snow storms each
> > night for four days in a row. Today the sun was shining and we could
> > venture out in summer clothing. The drive to the snow took 2.5 hours
> > and the distance was about 85 miles.
> > I write this because I guess I must differentiate myself from the other
> > Bills who post on this list.
> > Bill
> > El Toro
> Dieter W. Nolte
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