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Re: [z_scale] Alternative loco types to F7

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  • Bill Hoshiko
    Dieter, I did not mean to ignore you. Your message caused me to have an image in my mind of a Santa Fe FP45. I knew that somewhere in my files I had pictures
    Message 1 of 1 , Mar 8, 2000

      I did not mean to ignore you.

      Your message caused me to have an image in my mind of a Santa Fe FP45.

      I knew that somewhere in my files I had pictures of one.

      I finally found it. A color picture of Santa Fe FP45 No. 5992 in Santa
      Fe "War Bonnet" freight colors of blue and yellow, pulling a special 7
      car passenger train in 1984.

      This could be a fine Z scale locomotive with plenty of room for a 10 mm

      Thank you for jogging my memory.

      My preference for a new Z scale locomotive is still an Alco PA-1 in
      Daylight colors. I saw it almost daily pulling the San Joaquin Daylight
      along San Fernando Road heading for Los Angeles. I never thought to
      photograph it.

      El Toro

      Dieter_Mac_Nolte@... wrote:
      > From: Dieter_Mac_Nolte@...
      > Dear Bill,
      > I do have some difficulties to agree with your statement, that an EMD F45 may
      > look somewhat strange, when pulling the shorter freight equipment used in the E
      > and F era, i.e. 1945 to 1963 and thereafter. The E-series locos have a length of
      > about 70 ft, the EMD F45 loco has a length of only about 63 ft. It was
      > manufactured from 1968 to 1971, not soooo much more modern. In fact it was
      > basically an SD45 with a full-width hood.
      > I do even think, a replica of the F45 hood fits perfectly onto a F7 frame of
      > Maerklin.
      > All these data I gather from a small paperback booklet I highly recommend, even
      > if I found there some obvious errors (C-C truck instead of a B-B truck).
      > This booklet is written for train spotters. It shows only black and white
      > sketches of E- and Diesel-locos and of more modern freight cars, outpointing
      > differences in design. No steam-locos are included!
      > So, you are not confused by a fancy colouring or naming of locos and cars,
      > as shown in actual photos of locos and cars.
      > The data of this booklet are:
      > A field guide to trains of North America
      > Gerald L. Foster
      > ISBN 0-395-70112-0
      > Printed in 1996
      > Oh yes, I do state, that I do not have any connections with or to the publisher
      > of this booklet!
      > If somebody out there in the US model railroad universe recommends another
      > source of American railroading, please come out.
      > Regards
      > Dieter
      > Bill Hoshiko schrieb:
      > > From: Bill Hoshiko <billhko@...>
      > >
      > > The problem with the F units and E units is the compound curves that
      > > make up the nose of the engines. The PA units are a little simpler but
      > > there seems to be a problem of the shape of the roof just above the
      > > windshields. The manufactures of these engines in HO and N were
      > > criticized for the shape of the nose on the first models manufactured.
      > >
      > > These units were used by railroads in almost every part of the country.
      > >
      > > Other "Cab Units" or "covered wagons" were used regionally and some were
      > > specific to only one railroad.
      > >
      > > As for the F45, it is too new for my library of American locomotives. I
      > > guess that it is a modern locomotive and therefore would look out of
      > > place with the shorter freight equipment used during the E and F era.
      > >
      > > I imagine that the F45 does not have the complicated curves of the E or
      > > F units. Those complicated curves became too expensive to maintain and
      > > manufacture. The massive look of the PA units were arrived at by not
      > > incorporating complicated designs on the nose. Read "Diesels of the
      > > Espee, Volume One" by Roger M. Cortani, Chatam Publishing Co.
      > >
      > > Modern American equipment require larger radius track curves. The
      > > modern freight equipment length is more like the passenger cars of old.
      > > An exception would be the articulated container cars that are popular
      > > today.
      > >
      > > The manufacturers of HO and N scale locomotives produced these
      > > locomotives and not others for these same reasons. Another unspoken
      > > reason was that, once one manufacturer produced a model another
      > > manufacture just copied it. A lot of the copies included all the
      > > mistakes of the first and even included mold parting lines. New molds
      > > and patterns are very expensive and the market back in the 50's and 60's
      > > was not that big.
      > >
      > > There are even some requests for switchers. I don't know how many cars
      > > one of those box cab locos from Freudreich Feinwerktechnik can haul but
      > > if you can cram an electric motor and gears into a Z scale SW1200 I
      > > don't think that it would have enough traction to pull many cars even on
      > > level track. A train of any length would be difficult to pull around
      > > the sharp curves used in Z.
      > >
      > > I wish that the first criticisms of the Rouge GP38-2 were specific about
      > > the problems found in that locomotive. I've only ran mine back and
      > > forth over a piece of flex track and could see not problems. I guess
      > > that the problem is mainly that of pulling power. The complaint was of
      > > the 8mm motor used. The 8mm motor was necessitated by the narrow hood.
      > > Don Bouchard's goal was to manufacture a hooded locomotive so he had to
      > > use the smaller motor. (according to his comment in this list)
      > >
      > > I, for one, am glad that he did it. A hood unit in Z scale! what a
      > > concept. Now we have a picture of Kawabarasan's drive for a six wheeled
      > > diesel power truck. WOW!
      > >
      > > Personally I don't care what type of motive power is developed for Z.
      > > Just make it under $200.00, with fairly accurate truck side frames and
      > > have the manufacturer be profitable.
      > >
      > > I live about 25 miles south of Disneyland in California. This weekend
      > > my family spent four days playing in the snow. We had snow storms each
      > > night for four days in a row. Today the sun was shining and we could
      > > venture out in summer clothing. The drive to the snow took 2.5 hours
      > > and the distance was about 85 miles.
      > >
      > > I write this because I guess I must differentiate myself from the other
      > > Bills who post on this list.
      > >
      > > Bill
      > > El Toro
      > >
      > Dieter W. Nolte
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