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59079Re:TCS announces 2 new DCC decoders for AZL and MTL

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  • ronaldjhurley
    Dec 11, 2008
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      Hey,
      I learned a ton! Here it is to read again!

      ron

      > Ron and Jack:
      >
      > TCS is not revolutionary but brings a practical to install decoder to
      > the AZLs where everything else had to be shoe horned or custom fitted
      > in there. Now ANYONE can put one in ! They also bring competition
      > (and a better fitting decoder) for the MTL products along with 4
      > functions instead of Digitrax's 2 functions (MTL locos only)
      >
      > The new TCS Z2 is a 2 function and comparible to the Digitrax DZ123M0
      > (<---that is a zero on the end) or the older DZ123 that has wires on
      > it for any loco. Both are 2 functions. 2 functions are fine for 90%
      > of the users as most are only use for the 'headlights'.
      >
      > The new TCS Z2 is for the AZL's and has to be wired in (VERY easy if
      > you can solder and someone can tell or show you how, even on the
      > phone if you spend $15 for a soldering iron). You COULD use it in
      > the MTL locos but why when you have two choices of drop ins.
      >
      > The new TCS MZ4 is a 4 function and only designed to go in the MTL
      > products, competing with the Digitrax DZ123M0 <--a zero there. But
      > now you have a 4 function decoder so some of us can add those ditch
      > lights or extra light functions like a top beacon or second front
      > headlight in MARS mode.
      >
      > The default for the 2 functions is F0F (that's a zero in there) for
      > the first function output a and F0R for the second output. (Man,
      > don't ask me why it is not F1R as I have never found the [idiot]
      > reason why). The FOF and FOR means Forward and Reverse as they are
      > for lighting (99% of users). These are referred to function 1 and 2
      > only when you are counting the number of functions. They start
      > at 'zero' as it is a digital based system and zero is a value !
      > (wink). So, when you run the loco, F0F activates when going forward
      > and F0R when you go reverse. No matter which way you put the loco on
      > the track. No programming on your part. Just drop that baby right in
      > there. They are not always "on" by default so you press the F0 button
      > on the Cab (the hand held 'throttle'), usually labeled Headlight on
      > most cabs (look on the back or next to back page of a Model
      > Railroader magazine at an MRC ad an you can see the buttons). They
      > will light in what ever direction you are going. Same if you push it
      > again, they will go off. You can program a variable to make them
      > stay on and in a certain desired way, read on !
      >
      > Virtually all DCC decoders can redefine the function outputs and the
      > way they work. Say you don't have a rear light (e.g. most steam,
      > F7's, etc.). You could remap the F0R (that's the second function if
      > you are still following me) to another F0F but make it's light
      > a "MARS" like light rather than solid on like F0F or better, make it
      > F1 so you can control it seperate. You can make them turn on only
      > when actually moving (speed >1) rather than just on (default mode if
      > you press the direction button on the cab, the light immediately also
      > changes [helps idiots know which way their loco will be going]). Or
      > maybe you have a yard beacon on the top.
      >
      > Now, the cool thing is if you put 2 or more locos in a consist, only
      > the front loco's light will come on and when you go in reverse, the
      > rear-most loco's light will come on. A lot of railroads had a rule
      > that if the loco was active, the lights had to be on so when in
      > reverse, the front light would dim rather than off. This has to be
      > programmed but you will soon learn this is a single variable, a
      > brainer to do !
      >
      > 4 (or more) function decoder have the same first two functions: FOF
      > and FOR + 2 more: F1 and F2 (again, don't ask me about the numbering
      > system). These extra 2 are used to turn on sound, smoke, beacons,
      > ditch lights, etc. For ditch lights (those 2 alternating white
      > lights on some diesel locos) requires 2 function outputs.
      >
      > If you run several trains on your layout, run a main line (or two)
      > AND want to just let them run while you do switching functions or,
      > you want to go to a larger show layout, you definitely want to go
      > DCC. If you run only one loco at a time or a small layout, you may
      > just want to stay DCC. But DCC can make your locos run better at low
      > speeds. $150 for a starter set (NCE Power Cab, MRC-k-e-y Prodigy or
      > Digitrax [Zepher?]) plus $25 for a decoder and you can play with the
      > big boys ;)
      >
      > And don't forget, you can run DCC locos any direction and any speed
      > on the same track. Just in case you like driving in traffic, you can
      > make that loco hug the front train's rear !
      >
      > Jeff
      > SF Bay Area Z
      >
      > --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, Jack Chase <cjc167x@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Jeff:
      > > Thank you for an absolutely excellent write up concerning these DCC
      > decoders.  It was very well written.  When you state that the Z2 is a
      > 2 function decoder, what does that mean, exactly?  For instance, I
      > have the Digitrax drop ins in my MTL engines.  How would one describe
      > these Digitrax 123?? decoders?
      > > Oh, I was also in contact with Norm's and his TCS decoders are "on
      > the way to him."
      > > Thanks for the information.
      > > Regards,
      > > Jack Chase
      > >
      > > --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Jeff BAZ-man <sjbazman49@> wrote:
      > >
      > > From: Jeff BAZ-man <sjbazman49@>
      > > Subject: [Z_Scale] Re:TCS announces 2 new DCC decoders for AZL and
      > MTL
      > > To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
      > > Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:38 PM
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > The MZ4A's won't ship until January and there will be plenty
      > > available so no one should be "out of stock" as they will be
      > promptly
      > > restocked.
      > >
      > > While these are unproven or tested mainstream in Z, they are an
      > > existing design from the N and HO series that are simply relaid to
      > > fit in the Z locos. So I have faith. Plus 4 function versus 2 on
      > the
      > > MTL loco version (we like to put in addtional lights rather than
      > the
      > > common 2 function Forward and Reverse lights) I'm switching.
      > >
      > > The TCS's will fit more easily. The Digitrax DZ123MO mounting
      > > notches are slightly off location so you have to file the 'rear'
      > ones
      > > about 1/32 of an inch farther back so they will propertly start in
      > > the 4 mounting posts.
      > >
      > > Both will work. Both (actaully all decoders) have Back Elecro
      > Motive
      > > Force (BEMF) that tries to compensate for speed changes with loads,
      > > up/down grades or slow speed runnign. You can EASILY turn it off on
      > > the TCS decoders by hitting F6 on your DCC Cab (hand held throttle)
      > > or by changing CV61 to 'permanently' turn it off (or on). Digitrax
      > > and others do not have the convenience of Cab Function controlling
      > it
      > > and require CV changes to turn it off/on. Some Z locos may not run
      > as
      > > well with it on, some run better. Normally, it is not a good idea
      > in
      > > Consists (or MU for Multiple Units e.g. 2 or 3 locos lashed
      > together)
      > > as one will try and compensate and then the other tries to
      > compensate
      > > so you sometimes see this surging difference between the 2 or 3
      > > locos. There are normally several variables that can be changed to
      > > tweak it but the loco performance or position in a consist or even
      > > the direction can screw it all up. Turn it off in these cases.
      > >
      > > You can order the Digitrax DZ123M0 (that's a zero at the end) from
      > a
      > > number of places where as existing TCS resellers will have to stock
      > > up on the TCS Z products. Norm's Trainworld
      > > (http://www.normstra inworld.com/ dccz.htm) back in New England
      > WILL
      > > have them in stock ! Guaranteed.
      > >
      > > Jeff
      > > SF Bay Area Z
      > >
      > > --- In z_scale@yahoogroups .com, "mompey" <mompey@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > --- In z_scale@yahoogroups .com, "Jeff BAZ-man" <sjbazman49@ >
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Tuesday 12/9: I spoke with John Forsythe, Owner of Train
      > Control
      > > > > Systems (TCS) whom I discussed the decoders with at NTS. The Z2
      > > > for
      > > > > the AZL GP7 and SD70/75's are now shipping. These 2 function
      > > > > decoders sit on the chassis, under the rear LED and wire to the
      > 6
      > > > > contacts of the light board, after slipping off the bronze
      > > shorting
      > > > > bars used for DC operation. These new decoders are 0.26"
      > (6.6mm)
      > > > > wide decoders [i][b]easily[ /b][/i] fit flat on the chassis. No
      > > more
      > > > > taking the cab off of the shell. Installation pictures will be
      > > > > posted around the end of this week.
      > > > > http://www.tcsdcc com/NewDecoders. html
      > > > >
      > > > Hi Jeff
      > > >
      > > > I was going to order the digitrax (DZ123M0) for my MTL loco's, Im
      > > new
      > > > to DCC but based on what your post said I assume I'd be far
      > better
      > > > installing the MZA4 with BEMF??
      > > >
      > > > Also how long B4 manufactures will have decoders factory
      > installed?
      > > >
      > > > Thanks
      > > > Mike..
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