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  • Matt Warden
    ... The YUI people are keeping track of sites using YUI. (On the groups page, maybe? I couldn t find it on the site.) By all means, please do share. There s
    Message 1 of 8 , Dec 4, 2006
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      On 12/4/06, randomjuju <jon.chambers@...> wrote:
      > We launched a Really Big Project(tm) made with YUI last month. I'd
      > love to tell you all about it because (a) you folks have helped me
      > through some issues we ran into with it and (b) we do a lot of
      > interesting stuff that might serve as the basis for YUI-related
      > discussion. With that said, the project IS commercial, and I don't
      > want to be a jerkface by spamming the list with what could be
      > construed as an ad.
      >
      > So, what do you (readers and moderators alike) think? May I post a
      > link to our project?

      The YUI people are keeping track of sites using YUI. (On the groups
      page, maybe? I couldn't find it on the site.) By all means, please do
      share. There's nothing wrong with it being a commercial project. Will
      we be able to see what you've done with YUI without purchasing your
      product or service?

      --
      Matt Warden
      Cleveland, OH, USA
      http://mattwarden.com


      This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.
    • Joe Desbonnet
      I always like to see things in action on real sites. Please do post the location of your work. BTW: it might be a good idea for the forum moderator to clarify
      Message 2 of 8 , Dec 4, 2006
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        I always like to see things in action on real sites. Please do post
        the location of your work. BTW: it might be a good idea for the forum
        moderator to clarify the policy on this. Maybe a project Wiki page for
        "case studies" might be a more appropriate place but as far as I can
        tell there is no Wiki for YUI at the moment.

        Joe.


        On 12/4/06, randomjuju <jon.chambers@...> wrote:
        > Hi there!
        >
        > We launched a Really Big Project(tm) made with YUI last month. I'd
        > love to tell you all about it because (a) you folks have helped me
        > through some issues we ran into with it and (b) we do a lot of
        > interesting stuff that might serve as the basis for YUI-related
        > discussion. With that said, the project IS commercial, and I don't
        > want to be a jerkface by spamming the list with what could be
        > construed as an ad.
        >
        > So, what do you (readers and moderators alike) think? May I post a
        > link to our project?
        >
        > Thanks!
        >
        > -Jon
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
      • dav.glass@yahoo.com
        I believe that YUI Implementations can be posted here: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/links/YUI_Implementations_001149002597/ Dav Glass
        Message 3 of 8 , Dec 4, 2006
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          I believe that YUI  Implementations can be posted here:

          http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/links/YUI_Implementations_001149002597/


           
          Dav Glass
          dav.glass@...
          davglass.com
          618.694.3476

          + Windows: n. - The most successful computer virus, ever. +
          + A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog
          without bricks tied to its head +
          + A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a
          McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine +


          ----- Original Message ----
          From: Joe Desbonnet <joe@...>
          To: ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 3:25:59 PM
          Subject: Re: [ydn-javascript] Sharing a project?

          I always like to see things in action on real sites. Please do post
          the location of your work. BTW: it might be a good idea for the forum
          moderator to clarify the policy on this. Maybe a project Wiki page for
          "case studies"  might be a more appropriate place but as far as I can
          tell there is no Wiki for YUI at the moment.

          Joe.


          On 12/4/06, randomjuju <jon.chambers@...> wrote:
          > Hi there!
          >
          > We launched a Really Big Project(tm) made with YUI last month.  I'd
          > love to tell you all about it because (a) you folks have helped me
          > through some issues we ran into with it and (b) we do a lot of
          > interesting stuff that might serve as the basis for YUI-related
          > discussion.  With that said, the project IS commercial, and I don't
          > want to be a jerkface by spamming the list with what could be
          > construed as an ad.
          >
          > So, what do you (readers and moderators alike) think?  May I post a
          > link to our project?
          >
          > Thanks!
          >
          > -Jon
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >



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        • Eric Miraglia
          Dav is correct — the implementations page is the place to share the link, and letting us know in the forum is entirely appropriate. Matt makes a good point
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            Dav is correct — the implementations page is the place to share the link, and letting us know in the forum is entirely appropriate.  Matt makes a good point as well: We as forum readers would want to know if we can examine the relevant YUI usage without purchasing the product and, if so, how we might do so.

            Don't hesitate to share your YUI implementation links in the forum and on the implementations page.  The convention here is to focus your post on how YUI was used and to actively avoid posts that could be construed as trying to sell readers your product.  In most cases, it's pretty easy to stay on the right side of that line.

            Can't wait to hear about this Really Big Project...!

            Regards,
            Eric

            ______________________________________________
            Eric Miraglia
            Yahoo! Presentation Platform Engineering



            On Dec 4, 2006, at 3:35 PM, dav.glass@... wrote:


            I believe that YUI  Implementations can be posted here:

            http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/links/YUI_Implementations_001149002597/


             
            Dav Glass
            dav.glass@yahoo.com
            davglass.com
            618.694.3476

            + Windows: n. - The most successful computer virus, ever. +
            + A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog
            without bricks tied to its head +
            + A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a
            McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine +


            ----- Original Message ----
            From: Joe Desbonnet <joe@...>
            To: ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 3:25:59 PM
            Subject: Re: [ydn-javascript] Sharing a project?

            I always like to see things in action on real sites. Please do post
            the location of your work. BTW: it might be a good idea for the forum
            moderator to clarify the policy on this. Maybe a project Wiki page for
            "case studies"  might be a more appropriate place but as far as I can
            tell there is no Wiki for YUI at the moment.

            Joe.


            On 12/4/06, randomjuju <jon.chambers@comcast.net> wrote:
            > Hi there!
            >
            > We launched a Really Big Project(tm) made with YUI last month.  I'd
            > love to tell you all about it because (a) you folks have helped me
            > through some issues we ran into with it and (b) we do a lot of
            > interesting stuff t! hat might serve as the basis for YUI-related
            > discussion.  With that said, the project IS commercial, and I don't
            > want to be a jerkface by spamming the list with what could be
            > construed as an ad.
            >
            > So, what do you (readers and moderators alike) think?  May I post a
            > link to our project?
            >
            > Thanks!
            >
            > -Jon
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >



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          • randomjuju
            Well, then, here we go... I m Jon from Thinkature (http://www.thinkature.com/), which is a freely available real-time collaboration tool. You can use it to
            Message 5 of 8 , Dec 5, 2006
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              Well, then, here we go...

              I'm Jon from Thinkature (http://www.thinkature.com/), which is a
              freely available real-time collaboration tool. You can use it to chat
              in real time, move note cards around (also in real time -- anybody
              else who's in the workspace will see things move around courtesy of
              the YUI animation package), draw freehand pictures, and add images
              from around the web (courtesy of Yahoo! Image search and the YUI file
              upload tools).

              The surrounding website is largely done with YUI, too, although it's
              considerably less flashy. We use the Event, Dom, and Connection
              libraries to handle things like real-time form validation
              (particularly on the registration page, which checks to see if a
              username/email is taken as you type).

              I asked in another thread
              (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/message/3260) about
              clicking "through" things in the DOM. If you draw a freehand shape in
              a Thinkature workspace, you'll notice that you can, indeed, click
              through it. That same thread explains in very rough terms how we
              accomplish it, and I'd be happy to explain it in a little more detail
              if there's interest.

              Hm.. I think those are the real highlights. I should also mention
              that we talk a lot about some of the technical tricks we use on our
              blog at http://blog.thinkature.com/. I'd be happy to take requests
              for future blogging topics, too!

              Again, Thinkature is free, so please give it a shot. We're really
              proud of what we've accomplished and would love to share our learnings
              with the YUI community.

              Thanks, everybody, for your interest -- please let me know what you think!

              -Jon

              (And, yes, I'll also post this on the implementations page -- thanks
              very much for the referral!)

              --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@...> wrote:
              >
              > Dav is correct — the implementations page is the place to share the
              > link, and letting us know in the forum is entirely appropriate. Matt
              > makes a good point as well: We as forum readers would want to know if
              > we can examine the relevant YUI usage without purchasing the product
              > and, if so, how we might do so.
              >
              > Don't hesitate to share your YUI implementation links in the forum
              > and on the implementations page. The convention here is to focus
              > your post on how YUI was used and to actively avoid posts that could
              > be construed as trying to sell readers your product. In most cases,
              > it's pretty easy to stay on the right side of that line.
              >
              > Can't wait to hear about this Really Big Project...!
              >
              > Regards,
              > Eric
              >
              > ______________________________________________
              > Eric Miraglia
              > Yahoo! Presentation Platform Engineering
              >
              >
              >
              > On Dec 4, 2006, at 3:35 PM, dav.glass@... wrote:
              >
              > >
              > > I believe that YUI Implementations can be posted here:
              > >
              > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/links/
              > > YUI_Implementations_001149002597/
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Dav Glass
              > > dav.glass@...
              > > davglass.com
              > > 618.694.3476
              > >
              > > + Windows: n. - The most successful computer virus, ever. +
              > > + A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog
              > > without bricks tied to its head +
              > > + A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a
              > > McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine +
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message ----
              > > From: Joe Desbonnet <joe@...>
              > > To: ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 3:25:59 PM
              > > Subject: Re: [ydn-javascript] Sharing a project?
              > >
              > > I always like to see things in action on real sites. Please do post
              > > the location of your work. BTW: it might be a good idea for the forum
              > > moderator to clarify the policy on this. Maybe a project Wiki page for
              > > "case studies" might be a more appropriate place but as far as I can
              > > tell there is no Wiki for YUI at the moment.
              > >
              > > Joe.
              > >
              > >
              > > On 12/4/06, randomjuju <jon.chambers@...> wrote:
              > > > Hi there!
              > > >
              > > > We launched a Really Big Project(tm) made with YUI last month. I'd
              > > > love to tell you all about it because (a) you folks have helped me
              > > > through some issues we ran into with it and (b) we do a lot of
              > > > interesting stuff t! hat might serve as the basis for YUI-related
              > > > discussion. With that said, the project IS commercial, and I don't
              > > > want to be a jerkface by spamming the list with what could be
              > > > construed as an ad.
              > > >
              > > > So, what do you (readers and moderators alike) think? May I post a
              > > > link to our project?
              > > >
              > > > Thanks!
              > > >
              > > > -Jon
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
            • Eric Miraglia
              Jon, Let me be the first to say: How very, very cool. I haven t had a chance to play with the social part of it, which I assume is where the real magic
              Message 6 of 8 , Dec 12, 2006
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                Jon,

                Let me be the first to say:

                How very, very cool.

                I haven't had a chance to play with the social part of it, which I assume is where the real magic happens, but I love the creativity with which you've incorporated the various elements of in-browser richness.  The browser gives you just so much, and you've done a wonderful job of working within that palette to create a space in which the whole seems more than the sum of its parts.

                I know this wasn't easy to put together...congratulations on getting the release out the door.

                Regards,
                Eric


                ______________________________________________
                Eric Miraglia
                Yahoo! Presentation Platform Engineering



                On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:45 PM, randomjuju wrote:

                Well, then, here we go...

                I'm Jon from Thinkature (http://www.thinkature.com/), which is a
                freely available real-time collaboration tool. You can use it to chat
                in real time, move note cards around (also in real time -- anybody
                else who's in the workspace will see things move around courtesy of
                the YUI animation package), draw freehand pictures, and add images
                from around the web (courtesy of Yahoo! Image search and the YUI file
                upload tools).

                The surrounding website is largely done with YUI, too, although it's
                considerably less flashy. We use the Event, Dom, and Connection
                libraries to handle things like real-time form validation
                (particularly on the registration page, which checks to see if a
                username/email is taken as you type).

                I asked in another thread
                (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/message/3260) about
                clicking "through" things in the DOM. If you draw a freehand shape in
                a Thinkature workspace, you'll notice that you can, indeed, click
                through it. That same thread explains in very rough terms how we
                accomplish it, and I'd be happy to explain it in a little more detail
                if there's interest.

                Hm.. I think those are the real highlights. I should also mention
                that we talk a lot about some of the technical tricks we use on our
                blog at http://blog.thinkature.com/. I'd be happy to take requests
                for future blogging topics, too!

                Again, Thinkature is free, so please give it a shot. We're really
                proud of what we've accomplished and would love to share our learnings
                with the YUI community.

                Thanks, everybody, for your interest -- please let me know what you think!

                -Jon

                (And, yes, I'll also post this on the implementations page -- thanks
                very much for the referral!)

                --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@...> wrote:
                >
                > Dav is correct — the implementations page is the place to share the
                > link, and letting us know in the forum is entirely appropriate. Matt
                > makes a good point as well: We as forum readers would want to know if
                > we can examine the relevant YUI usage without purchasing the product
                > and, if so, how we might do so.
                >
                > Don't hesitate to share your YUI implementation links in the forum
                > and on the implementations page. The convention here is to focus
                > your post on how YUI was used and to actively avoid posts that could
                > be construed as trying to sell readers your product. In most cases,
                > it's pretty easy to stay on the right side of that line.
                >
                > Can't wait to hear about this Really Big Project...!
                >
                > Regards,
                > Eric
                >
                > ______________________________________________
                > Eric Miraglia
                > Yahoo! Presentation Platform Engineering
                >
                >
                >
                > On Dec 4, 2006, at 3:35 PM, dav.glass@... wrote:
                >
                > >
                > > I believe that YUI Implementations can be posted here:
                > >
                > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/links/
                > > YUI_Implementations_001149002597/
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Dav Glass
                > > dav.glass@...
                > > davglass.com
                > > 618.694.3476
                > >
                > > + Windows: n. - The most successful computer virus, ever. +
                > > + A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog
                > > without bricks tied to its head +
                > > + A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a
                > > McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine +
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message ----
                > > From: Joe Desbonnet <joe@...>
                > > To: ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 3:25:59 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [ydn-javascript] Sharing a project?
                > >
                > > I always like to see things in action on real sites. Please do post
                > > the location of your work. BTW: it might be a good idea for the forum
                > > moderator to clarify the policy on this. Maybe a project Wiki page for
                > > "case studies" might be a more appropriate place but as far as I can
                > > tell there is no Wiki for YUI at the moment.
                > >
                > > Joe.
                > >
                > >
                > > On 12/4/06, randomjuju <jon.chambers@...> wrote:
                > > > Hi there!
                > > >
                > > > We launched a Really Big Project(tm) made with YUI last month. I'd
                > > > love to tell you all about it because (a) you folks have helped me
                > > > through some issues we ran into with it and (b) we do a lot of
                > > > interesting stuff t! hat might serve as the basis for YUI-related
                > > > discussion. With that said, the project IS commercial, and I don't
                > > > want to be a jerkface by spamming the list with what could be
                > > > construed as an ad.
                > > >
                > > > So, what do you (readers and moderators alike) think? May I post a
                > > > link to our project?
                > > >
                > > > Thanks!
                > > >
                > > > -Jon
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >


              • randomjuju
                Eric, Many thanks for the kind words! Serious props go out to the YUI team, too, for pulling together a library that s simultaneously flexible enough to let
                Message 7 of 8 , Dec 12, 2006
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                  Eric,

                  Many thanks for the kind words! Serious props go out to the YUI team,
                  too, for pulling together a library that's simultaneously flexible
                  enough to let something like Thinkature happen and robust enough to
                  let it happen with so few of the headaches inherent to the platform.

                  Cheers!

                  -Jon

                  --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Jon,
                  >
                  > Let me be the first to say:
                  >
                  > How very, very cool.
                  >
                  > I haven't had a chance to play with the social part of it, which I
                  > assume is where the real magic happens, but I love the creativity
                  > with which you've incorporated the various elements of in-browser
                  > richness. The browser gives you just so much, and you've done a
                  > wonderful job of working within that palette to create a space in
                  > which the whole seems more than the sum of its parts.
                  >
                  > I know this wasn't easy to put together...congratulations on getting
                  > the release out the door.
                  >
                  > Regards,
                  > Eric
                  >
                  >
                  > ______________________________________________
                  > Eric Miraglia
                  > Yahoo! Presentation Platform Engineering
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:45 PM, randomjuju wrote:
                  >
                  > > Well, then, here we go...
                  > >
                  > > I'm Jon from Thinkature (http://www.thinkature.com/), which is a
                  > > freely available real-time collaboration tool. You can use it to chat
                  > > in real time, move note cards around (also in real time -- anybody
                  > > else who's in the workspace will see things move around courtesy of
                  > > the YUI animation package), draw freehand pictures, and add images
                  > > from around the web (courtesy of Yahoo! Image search and the YUI file
                  > > upload tools).
                  > >
                  > > The surrounding website is largely done with YUI, too, although it's
                  > > considerably less flashy. We use the Event, Dom, and Connection
                  > > libraries to handle things like real-time form validation
                  > > (particularly on the registration page, which checks to see if a
                  > > username/email is taken as you type).
                  > >
                  > > I asked in another thread
                  > > (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/message/3260) about
                  > > clicking "through" things in the DOM. If you draw a freehand shape in
                  > > a Thinkature workspace, you'll notice that you can, indeed, click
                  > > through it. That same thread explains in very rough terms how we
                  > > accomplish it, and I'd be happy to explain it in a little more detail
                  > > if there's interest.
                  > >
                  > > Hm.. I think those are the real highlights. I should also mention
                  > > that we talk a lot about some of the technical tricks we use on our
                  > > blog at http://blog.thinkature.com/. I'd be happy to take requests
                  > > for future blogging topics, too!
                  > >
                  > > Again, Thinkature is free, so please give it a shot. We're really
                  > > proud of what we've accomplished and would love to share our learnings
                  > > with the YUI community.
                  > >
                  > > Thanks, everybody, for your interest -- please let me know what you
                  > > think!
                  > >
                  > > -Jon
                  > >
                  > > (And, yes, I'll also post this on the implementations page -- thanks
                  > > very much for the referral!)
                  > >
                  > > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@>
                  > > wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Dav is correct — the implementations page is the place to share the
                  > > > link, and letting us know in the forum is entirely appropriate. Matt
                  > > > makes a good point as well: We as forum readers would want to
                  > > know if
                  > > > we can examine the relevant YUI usage without purchasing the product
                  > > > and, if so, how we might do so.
                  > > >
                  > > > Don't hesitate to share your YUI implementation links in the forum
                  > > > and on the implementations page. The convention here is to focus
                  > > > your post on how YUI was used and to actively avoid posts that could
                  > > > be construed as trying to sell readers your product. In most cases,
                  > > > it's pretty easy to stay on the right side of that line.
                  > > >
                  > > > Can't wait to hear about this Really Big Project...!
                  > > >
                  > > > Regards,
                  > > > Eric
                  > > >
                  > > > ______________________________________________
                  > > > Eric Miraglia
                  > > > Yahoo! Presentation Platform Engineering
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > On Dec 4, 2006, at 3:35 PM, dav.glass@ wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I believe that YUI Implementations can be posted here:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-javascript/links/
                  > > > > YUI_Implementations_001149002597/
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Dav Glass
                  > > > > dav.glass@
                  > > > > davglass.com
                  > > > > 618.694.3476
                  > > > >
                  > > > > + Windows: n. - The most successful computer virus, ever. +
                  > > > > + A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog
                  > > > > without bricks tied to its head +
                  > > > > + A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a
                  > > > > McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine +
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ----- Original Message ----
                  > > > > From: Joe Desbonnet <joe@>
                  > > > > To: ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 3:25:59 PM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ydn-javascript] Sharing a project?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I always like to see things in action on real sites. Please do
                  > > post
                  > > > > the location of your work. BTW: it might be a good idea for the
                  > > forum
                  > > > > moderator to clarify the policy on this. Maybe a project Wiki
                  > > page for
                  > > > > "case studies" might be a more appropriate place but as far as
                  > > I can
                  > > > > tell there is no Wiki for YUI at the moment.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Joe.
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > On 12/4/06, randomjuju <jon.chambers@> wrote:
                  > > > > > Hi there!
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > We launched a Really Big Project(tm) made with YUI last
                  > > month. I'd
                  > > > > > love to tell you all about it because (a) you folks have
                  > > helped me
                  > > > > > through some issues we ran into with it and (b) we do a lot of
                  > > > > > interesting stuff t! hat might serve as the basis for YUI-
                  > > related
                  > > > > > discussion. With that said, the project IS commercial, and I
                  > > don't
                  > > > > > want to be a jerkface by spamming the list with what could be
                  > > > > > construed as an ad.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > So, what do you (readers and moderators alike) think? May I
                  > > post a
                  > > > > > link to our project?
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Thanks!
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > -Jon
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