- It's pretty obvious why MS has had trouble embracing the open source
community. MS is a software company, backed by Office and its Windows
OSes. MS does not know how to embrace open source because it is in
their best interests / share holders interests that people remain
dependent on these two key products. This why every attempt from MS to
embrace open source has failed as they've done nothing by tried to
hook people on these products one way or another.
I'm sorry, can't be optimistic here either. I'm with the others on
this message thread. MS buying out Yahoo spells an impending doom for
YUI. We've already seem MS's attempts at web standards on IE7. AND
lets not forget their /current/ attempts in IE8: "IE8 will support web
standards, but you must add in an additional meta tag in order for IE8
to work." WTF is that?! It's extremely obvious MS does not understand
open source / web standards, period.
It's sad, too. There's so much MS can do in their current position to
insure their success in the future of the web. Unfortunately, their
focus on closed source products, pushing their products and dependency
on Windows and Office keeps them bind to these possibilities.
> First, let's remember that Microsoft offered to buy, Yahoo hasn't sold
> Personally I think one of the biggest problems Microsoft has had over
> the past 5 years is embracing the open source community. Look at
> Apple - their OS is BSD UNIX. I've met a few folks there and tried to
> argue that they should open up even more, especially for devices like
> the iPhone as Apple makes money by actually selling the device and
> letting third party companies make more software for the iPhone which
> translates into more sales. Apple is dragging their feet a bit but I
> know there are a number of folks inside who are fighting to open up
> even more.
> I think even Microsoft knows open source is here to stay but and this
> is the reason I asked, I don't think they've done very well with the
> open source community. Maybe this would be different...
> To me Yahoo has a lot to gain to continue supporting YUI. Of course,
> there is goodwill with developers. But I think more importantly as
> YUI is incorporated into more websites the look and feel of those
> sites becomes more like Yahoo. There's a tremendous "user comfort"
> advantage to be gained as well as hopefully we should contributing
> back to YUI and supporting the Yahoo developers - if they share we
> should share and that collaboration might make YUI (and Yahoo) more
> So my opinion - I think it's important once in a while to step back
> and remember why these open source libraries can be so successful and
> that discussion should be very supportive of everyone involved - and
> certainly the Yahoo folks - might give them some them some ammunition
> in a meeting.
> > At the end of the day, it just isn't in Microsoft's interest to have a
> > library like YUI that is functional, useful, and doesn't require other
> > Microsoft technologies for optimum operation.
> > Folks, please don't start this kind of stuff.
> > It's more likely that Microsoft bought Yahoo! because it's trying to
> woo a
> > webdeveloper audience that has embraced YUI, Yahoo!'s various web
> APIs, etc.
> > (Not to mention that Yahoo!'s properties depend on YUI.)
> > Let's give the Yahoo! folks here a break. They can't comment on
> this, and
> > premature negativity certainly won't want to make them spend more
> time here,
> > so let's just support them.
> > - Charles
- Agreed, most likely MS will not continue with YUI in the current
direction and even if it does for a while I wouldn't want to invest
much in a technology that has a good chance of disappearing or not
being supported in the near future.
But, on the other hand, even if YUI is discontinued by MS/Yahoo I am
pretty sure it will be picked up by the OS community and take it from
there. Sure, it won't have all the Yahoo resources behind it and
releases may come slower but it will work like all other OS community
projects. Maybe we will see more than one successful forks.
Oh well, first MySQL now YUI, someone buys apache and I might as well
move to a Windows server and be done with it :P
> Why would Microsoft want to continue fueling YUI when they have
> What benefit would there be for Microsoft? None.
> They have pumped millions into Silverlight so far. They are pushing
> hard to make developers use Silverlight. They want to make
> Silverlight the next Flash.
> So by supporting two different projects that serve the same purpose
> would be duplication of services and an unnecessary cost to their
> I, too, hate to sound pessimistic. But I fear this is the end of
> I love YUI. I jumped ship from Ext/Dojo/Mootools a couple of years
> ago when I discovered YUI. I have been using YUI for everything.
> sucks that I will be orphaned again.
> I suggest you download the latest version of YUI to your box before
> Microsoft takes it away.
> This is so sad. Bye bye Yahoo.
- now I just feel dirty
2 minutes after news broke that Yahoo! rejected the Microsoft bid and
I feel like a cheat.
Last week I was contemplating moving to another UI kit (JQuery,
actually)... now I think I may have made a mistake.
- On Saturday 09 February 2008 15:24, Del wrote:
> now I just feel dirtyJust by contemplating a change? There's a saying: "No harm, no foul." If
> 2 minutes after news broke that Yahoo! rejected the Microsoft bid and
> I feel like a cheat.
> Last week I was contemplating moving to another UI kit (JQuery,
> actually)... now I think I may have made a mistake.
no harmful consequence of an action ensued, then no offense was
Now, had you ripped up your source and started porting everything over
to your second-choice UI kit, that would have been a mistake, but
still, only you would suffer.
- It is unlikely that MS will support initiatives like YDN and its
numerous projects, so is it possible that the OS community could take
over the open source stuff at YDN... or could there even be a spin off
scenario like the mozilla foundation after MS killed netscape in a
deal with its parent company?
> Just curious to see what others thought but any opinions on the
> possible Microsoft takeover and what that might mean to YUI? I'm not
> sure not much immediately, but YUI being (what I consider) an
> excellent open source library and Microsoft's pension to stand against
> open source software - I'm not in favor. Also, what has Microsoft
> done lately. I love the Mac commercials about downgrading from
> "Vista" to XP. To me Microsoft is just trying to use business tactics
> to find a way in, rather than be innovative.
> Just wondering what anyone else thought...