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  • lindsay_haisley
    Well this menu example is certainly a work in progress! Before I could finish writing a proper bug report I reloaded the menu and it looks as if someone found
    Message 1 of 9 , Jul 31, 2007
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      Well this menu example is certainly a work in progress! Before I
      could finish writing a proper bug report I reloaded the menu and it
      looks as if someone found and fixed the problem. So I stopped and
      started Galeon, and can no longer reproduce it at all :-)

      --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, "lindsay_haisley" <fmouse@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > I'll be happy to file a bug report.
      >
      > As far as Galeon is concerned, I've been using it for several years
      > because of its extreme configurability, and usually have few if any
      > problems with JS interpretation and rendition - far fewer than with
      > Safari, which I don't use, but a number of my customers do.
      >
      > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@> wrote:
      > >
      > > lindsay_haisley,
      > >
      > > Thanks for the followup and for posting the screenshot from Galeon.
      > >
      > > Galeon for Linux isn't an A-Grade browser, so we don't guarantee
      > > compatibility with Galeon for YUI. That said, your expectation that
      > > up-to-date Gecko-based browsers should generally work fine with YUI
      > > is one that we share. If you would file your image and the JS error
      > > log you wrote about in a bug report, that information might prove
      > > useful as we continue our work on the Menu Control.
      > >
      > > Regards,
      > > Eric
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ______________________________________________
      > > Eric Miraglia
      > > Yahoo! User Interface Library
      > >
      > >
      > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:00 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
      > >
      > > > After looking at the menu at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/
      > > > examples/menu/topnavfrommarkup.html in several browsers it seems
      > > > that the only browser I use which doesn't render it properly is
      > > > Galeon for Linux, which is Mozilla-Gekko based and normally quite
      > > > standards-compliant. Galeon rendered the 2.2.2 equivalent menu
      > > > just fine, and because this one closely resembles the proprietary
      > > > JS menus my customer is currently using, that's the one we'll
      > > > probably use.
      > > >
      > > > Galeon also my standard study browser, and so I came on the
      > > > problem while using it. You can see what the menus look like in
      > > > Galeon athttp://www.fmp.com/~fmouse/badmenu.png. I can also post
      > > > the many JS errors I get from the page, if it would be helpful.
      > > >
      > > > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > lindsay_haisley,
      > > > >
      > > > > We're listening!
      > > > >
      > > > > The examples did change today with the YUI 2.3.0 update. Menu
      > > > > continues to ship with more than a dozen examples, so
      hopefully the
      > > > > one you need is still there.
      > > > >
      > > > > The Menu example with the MenuBar implementation across the
      top can
      > > > > be found here:
      > > > >
      > > > > http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/topnavfrommarkup.html
      > > > > (Note that all of the "Top Nav" examples are accessible in the
      right
      > > > > column below the one that's highlighted.)
      > > > >
      > > > > In the case of that example, you do need to click the "View
      example
      > > > > in new window" button in the middle of the page; it takes you
      to...
      > > > >
      > > > > http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/topnavfrommarkup.html
      > > > >
      > > > > ...which is very similar to the example you remember from this
      > > > morning.
      > > > >
      > > > > If you need access to the examples that shipped with YUI
      2.2.2, you
      > > > > can always download the full source from SourceForge. The download
      > > > > includes all of the examples.
      > > > >
      > > > > Regards,
      > > > > Eric
      > > > >
      > > > > ______________________________________________
      > > > > Eric Miraglia
      > > > > Yahoo! User Interface Library
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:40 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > > Hey, this is a heads up, if any of the Yahoo website
      > > > maintainers are
      > > > > > reading this! The YUI menu examples (both the index and the
      > > > examples)
      > > > > > at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/ have
      changed 3
      > > > times
      > > > > > in the past 24 hours. I'm trying to get some work done for a
      > > > customer
      > > > > > of mine, and fortunately around noon today the the "Website
      Top
      > > > Nav
      > > > > > With Submenus" (both JS and HTML) changed _back_ to the simple
      > > > version
      > > > > > we needed and I managed to do a view source on both of these and
      > > > > > captured the code.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Now these menu examples are quite fubar, rather ugly and not
      at
      > > > all
      > > > > > what we need, on top of which a mouseover on the right two
      options
      > > > > > ("Shopping", "Information") produce a flasning, transient
      submenu
      > > > > > which is impossible to use. It's quite broken!
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Please, give us back the simple examples with the nav bar in a
      > > > single
      > > > > > line.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
    • Eric Miraglia
      lindsay_haisley, Actually, I don t think there was a change in the source during this time. What is possible, though, is that your cache timed out from some
      Message 2 of 9 , Jul 31, 2007
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        lindsay_haisley,

        Actually, I don't think there was a change in the source during this time.  What is possible, though, is that your cache timed out from some older files to newer files as we made the 2.2.2-->2.3.0 transition this afternoon.  Probably the 2.3.0 example wasn't working with some older files in your cache.

        Not sure, but that might be the explanation.  In any event, glad to have Galeon back to being right side up with Menu.

        Regards,
        Eric



        ______________________________________________
        Eric Miraglia
        Yahoo! User Interface Library


        On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:35 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:

        Well this menu example is certainly a work in progress! Before I
        could finish writing a proper bug report I reloaded the menu and it
        looks as if someone found and fixed the problem. So I stopped and
        started Galeon, and can no longer reproduce it at all :-)

        --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, "lindsay_haisley" <fmouse@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > I'll be happy to file a bug report.
        >
        > As far as Galeon is concerned, I've been using it for several years
        > because of its extreme configurability, and usually have few if any
        > problems with JS interpretation and rendition - far fewer than with
        > Safari, which I don't use, but a number of my customers do.
        >
        > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@> wrote:
        > >
        > > lindsay_haisley,
        > >
        > > Thanks for the followup and for posting the screenshot from Galeon.
        > >
        > > Galeon for Linux isn't an A-Grade browser, so we don't guarantee
        > > compatibility with Galeon for YUI. That said, your expectation that
        > > up-to-date Gecko-based browsers should generally work fine with YUI
        > > is one that we share. If you would file your image and the JS error
        > > log you wrote about in a bug report, that information might prove
        > > useful as we continue our work on the Menu Control.
        > >
        > > Regards,
        > > Eric
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > ______________________________________________
        > > Eric Miraglia
        > > Yahoo! User Interface Library
        > >
        > >
        > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:00 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
        > >
        > > > After looking at the menu at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/
        > > > examples/menu/topnavfrommarkup.html in several browsers it seems
        > > > that the only browser I use which doesn't render it properly is
        > > > Galeon for Linux, which is Mozilla-Gekko based and normally quite
        > > > standards-compliant. Galeon rendered the 2.2.2 equivalent menu
        > > > just fine, and because this one closely resembles the proprietary
        > > > JS menus my customer is currently using, that's the one we'll
        > > > probably use.
        > > >
        > > > Galeon also my standard study browser, and so I came on the
        > > > problem while using it. You can see what the menus look like in
        > > > Galeon athttp://www.fmp.com/~fmouse/badmenu.png. I can also post
        > > > the many JS errors I get from the page, if it would be helpful.
        > > >
        > > > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > lindsay_haisley,
        > > > >
        > > > > We're listening!
        > > > >
        > > > > The examples did change today with the YUI 2.3.0 update. Menu
        > > > > continues to ship with more than a dozen examples, so
        hopefully the
        > > > > one you need is still there.
        > > > >
        > > > > The Menu example with the MenuBar implementation across the
        top can
        > > > > be found here:
        > > > >
        > > > > http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/topnavfrommarkup.html
        > > > > (Note that all of the "Top Nav" examples are accessible in the
        right
        > > > > column below the one that's highlighted.)
        > > > >
        > > > > In the case of that example, you do need to click the "View
        example
        > > > > in new window" button in the middle of the page; it takes you
        to...
        > > > >
        > > > > http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/topnavfrommarkup.html
        > > > >
        > > > > ...which is very similar to the example you remember from this
        > > > morning.
        > > > >
        > > > > If you need access to the examples that shipped with YUI
        2.2.2, you
        > > > > can always download the full source from SourceForge. The download
        > > > > includes all of the examples.
        > > > >
        > > > > Regards,
        > > > > Eric
        > > > >
        > > > > ______________________________________________
        > > > > Eric Miraglia
        > > > > Yahoo! User Interface Library
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:40 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > > Hey, this is a heads up, if any of the Yahoo website
        > > > maintainers are
        > > > > > reading this! The YUI menu examples (both the index and the
        > > > examples)
        > > > > > at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/ have
        changed 3
        > > > times
        > > > > > in the past 24 hours. I'm trying to get some work done for a
        > > > customer
        > > > > > of mine, and fortunately around noon today the the "Website
        Top
        > > > Nav
        > > > > > With Submenus" (both JS and HTML) changed _back_ to the simple
        > > > version
        > > > > > we needed and I managed to do a view source on both of these and
        > > > > > captured the code.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Now these menu examples are quite fubar, rather ugly and not
        at
        > > > all
        > > > > > what we need, on top of which a mouseover on the right two
        options
        > > > > > ("Shopping", "Information") produce a flasning, transient
        submenu
        > > > > > which is impossible to use. It's quite broken!
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Please, give us back the simple examples with the nav bar in a
        > > > single
        > > > > > line.
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >


      • Lindsay Haisley
        ... That s entirely possible. I didn t think to clear cache. Other menus from the examples index worked just fine. It was just the top MenuBar examples that
        Message 3 of 9 , Jul 31, 2007
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          --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@...> wrote:
          > Actually, I don't think there was a change in the source during this
          > time. What is possible, though, is that your cache timed out from
          > some older files to newer files as we made the 2.2.2-->2.3.0
          > transition this afternoon. Probably the 2.3.0 example wasn't working
          > with some older files in your cache.

          That's entirely possible. I didn't think to clear cache. Other menus
          from the examples index worked just fine. It was just the top MenuBar
          examples that gave a problem earlier this evening.

          > Not sure, but that might be the explanation. In any event, glad to
          > have Galeon back to being right side up with Menu.

          You and me both, buddy!

          > On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:35 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
          >
          > > Well this menu example is certainly a work in progress! Before I
          > > could finish writing a proper bug report I reloaded the menu and it
          > > looks as if someone found and fixed the problem. So I stopped and
          > > started Galeon, and can no longer reproduce it at all :-)
          > >
          > > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, "lindsay_haisley" <fmouse@>
          > > wrote:
          > > >
          > > > I'll be happy to file a bug report.
          > > >
          > > > As far as Galeon is concerned, I've been using it for several years
          > > > because of its extreme configurability, and usually have few if any
          > > > problems with JS interpretation and rendition - far fewer than with
          > > > Safari, which I don't use, but a number of my customers do.
          > > >
          > > > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@>
          > > wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > lindsay_haisley,
          > > > >
          > > > > Thanks for the followup and for posting the screenshot from
          > > Galeon.
          > > > >
          > > > > Galeon for Linux isn't an A-Grade browser, so we don't guarantee
          > > > > compatibility with Galeon for YUI. That said, your expectation
          > > that
          > > > > up-to-date Gecko-based browsers should generally work fine with
          > > YUI
          > > > > is one that we share. If you would file your image and the JS
          > > error
          > > > > log you wrote about in a bug report, that information might prove
          > > > > useful as we continue our work on the Menu Control.
          > > > >
          > > > > Regards,
          > > > > Eric
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > ______________________________________________
          > > > > Eric Miraglia
          > > > > Yahoo! User Interface Library
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:00 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > > After looking at the menu at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/
          > > > > > examples/menu/topnavfrommarkup.html in several browsers it seems
          > > > > > that the only browser I use which doesn't render it properly is
          > > > > > Galeon for Linux, which is Mozilla-Gekko based and normally
          > > quite
          > > > > > standards-compliant. Galeon rendered the 2.2.2 equivalent menu
          > > > > > just fine, and because this one closely resembles the
          > > proprietary
          > > > > > JS menus my customer is currently using, that's the one we'll
          > > > > > probably use.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Galeon also my standard study browser, and so I came on the
          > > > > > problem while using it. You can see what the menus look like in
          > > > > > Galeon athttp://www.fmp.com/~fmouse/badmenu.png. I can also post
          > > > > > the many JS errors I get from the page, if it would be helpful.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@>
          > > > > > wrote:
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > lindsay_haisley,
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > We're listening!
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > The examples did change today with the YUI 2.3.0 update. Menu
          > > > > > > continues to ship with more than a dozen examples, so
          > > hopefully the
          > > > > > > one you need is still there.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > The Menu example with the MenuBar implementation across the
          > > top can
          > > > > > > be found here:
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/
          > > topnavfrommarkup.html
          > > > > > > (Note that all of the "Top Nav" examples are accessible in the
          > > right
          > > > > > > column below the one that's highlighted.)
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > In the case of that example, you do need to click the "View
          > > example
          > > > > > > in new window" button in the middle of the page; it takes you
          > > to...
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/
          > > topnavfrommarkup.html
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > ...which is very similar to the example you remember from this
          > > > > > morning.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > If you need access to the examples that shipped with YUI
          > > 2.2.2, you
          > > > > > > can always download the full source from SourceForge. The
          > > download
          > > > > > > includes all of the examples.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Regards,
          > > > > > > Eric
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > ______________________________________________
          > > > > > > Eric Miraglia
          > > > > > > Yahoo! User Interface Library
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:40 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Hey, this is a heads up, if any of the Yahoo website
          > > > > > maintainers are
          > > > > > > > reading this! The YUI menu examples (both the index and the
          > > > > > examples)
          > > > > > > > at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/ have
          > > changed 3
          > > > > > times
          > > > > > > > in the past 24 hours. I'm trying to get some work done for a
          > > > > > customer
          > > > > > > > of mine, and fortunately around noon today the the "Website
          > > Top
          > > > > > Nav
          > > > > > > > With Submenus" (both JS and HTML) changed _back_ to the
          > > simple
          > > > > > version
          > > > > > > > we needed and I managed to do a view source on both of
          > > these and
          > > > > > > > captured the code.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Now these menu examples are quite fubar, rather ugly and not
          > > at
          > > > > > all
          > > > > > > > what we need, on top of which a mouseover on the right two
          > > options
          > > > > > > > ("Shopping", "Information") produce a flasning, transient
          > > submenu
          > > > > > > > which is impossible to use. It's quite broken!
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Please, give us back the simple examples with the nav bar
          > > in a
          > > > > > single
          > > > > > > > line.
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > >
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
        • kp_yui
          Actually, Lindsay & Eric, I posted asking what s up w.YUI examples (menu specifically) as well, so I doubt it was cache, etc. They eventually, came back up,
          Message 4 of 9 , Aug 1, 2007
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            Actually, Lindsay & Eric, I posted asking what's up w.YUI examples
            (menu specifically) as well, so I doubt it was cache, etc.

            They eventually, came back up, but I thought it was maintenance due to
            a bug. (I added a second post topic re: force minwidth CSS style in
            IE6 causing a bug in the animation of drop down menus).

            -kp

            --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Haisley" <fmouse@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@> wrote:
            > > Actually, I don't think there was a change in the source during this
            > > time. What is possible, though, is that your cache timed out from
            > > some older files to newer files as we made the 2.2.2-->2.3.0
            > > transition this afternoon. Probably the 2.3.0 example wasn't
            working
            > > with some older files in your cache.
            >
            > That's entirely possible. I didn't think to clear cache. Other menus
            > from the examples index worked just fine. It was just the top MenuBar
            > examples that gave a problem earlier this evening.
            >
            > > Not sure, but that might be the explanation. In any event, glad to
            > > have Galeon back to being right side up with Menu.
            >
            > You and me both, buddy!
            >
            > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:35 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
            > >
            > > > Well this menu example is certainly a work in progress! Before I
            > > > could finish writing a proper bug report I reloaded the menu and it
            > > > looks as if someone found and fixed the problem. So I stopped and
            > > > started Galeon, and can no longer reproduce it at all :-)
            > > >
            > > > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, "lindsay_haisley" <fmouse@>
            > > > wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > > I'll be happy to file a bug report.
            > > > >
            > > > > As far as Galeon is concerned, I've been using it for several
            years
            > > > > because of its extreme configurability, and usually have few
            if any
            > > > > problems with JS interpretation and rendition - far fewer than
            with
            > > > > Safari, which I don't use, but a number of my customers do.
            > > > >
            > > > > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia <miraglia@>
            > > > wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > lindsay_haisley,
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Thanks for the followup and for posting the screenshot from
            > > > Galeon.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Galeon for Linux isn't an A-Grade browser, so we don't guarantee
            > > > > > compatibility with Galeon for YUI. That said, your expectation
            > > > that
            > > > > > up-to-date Gecko-based browsers should generally work fine
            with
            > > > YUI
            > > > > > is one that we share. If you would file your image and the JS
            > > > error
            > > > > > log you wrote about in a bug report, that information might
            prove
            > > > > > useful as we continue our work on the Menu Control.
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Regards,
            > > > > > Eric
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > ______________________________________________
            > > > > > Eric Miraglia
            > > > > > Yahoo! User Interface Library
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:00 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
            > > > > >
            > > > > > > After looking at the menu at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/
            > > > > > > examples/menu/topnavfrommarkup.html in several browsers it
            seems
            > > > > > > that the only browser I use which doesn't render it
            properly is
            > > > > > > Galeon for Linux, which is Mozilla-Gekko based and normally
            > > > quite
            > > > > > > standards-compliant. Galeon rendered the 2.2.2 equivalent menu
            > > > > > > just fine, and because this one closely resembles the
            > > > proprietary
            > > > > > > JS menus my customer is currently using, that's the one we'll
            > > > > > > probably use.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > Galeon also my standard study browser, and so I came on the
            > > > > > > problem while using it. You can see what the menus look
            like in
            > > > > > > Galeon athttp://www.fmp.com/~fmouse/badmenu.png. I can
            also post
            > > > > > > the many JS errors I get from the page, if it would be
            helpful.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > --- In ydn-javascript@yahoogroups.com, Eric Miraglia
            <miraglia@>
            > > > > > > wrote:
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > lindsay_haisley,
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > We're listening!
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > The examples did change today with the YUI 2.3.0 update.
            Menu
            > > > > > > > continues to ship with more than a dozen examples, so
            > > > hopefully the
            > > > > > > > one you need is still there.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > The Menu example with the MenuBar implementation across the
            > > > top can
            > > > > > > > be found here:
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/
            > > > topnavfrommarkup.html
            > > > > > > > (Note that all of the "Top Nav" examples are accessible
            in the
            > > > right
            > > > > > > > column below the one that's highlighted.)
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > In the case of that example, you do need to click the "View
            > > > example
            > > > > > > > in new window" button in the middle of the page; it
            takes you
            > > > to...
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/
            > > > topnavfrommarkup.html
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > ...which is very similar to the example you remember
            from this
            > > > > > > morning.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > If you need access to the examples that shipped with YUI
            > > > 2.2.2, you
            > > > > > > > can always download the full source from SourceForge. The
            > > > download
            > > > > > > > includes all of the examples.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > Regards,
            > > > > > > > Eric
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > ______________________________________________
            > > > > > > > Eric Miraglia
            > > > > > > > Yahoo! User Interface Library
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:40 PM, lindsay_haisley wrote:
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Hey, this is a heads up, if any of the Yahoo website
            > > > > > > maintainers are
            > > > > > > > > reading this! The YUI menu examples (both the index
            and the
            > > > > > > examples)
            > > > > > > > > at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/ have
            > > > changed 3
            > > > > > > times
            > > > > > > > > in the past 24 hours. I'm trying to get some work done
            for a
            > > > > > > customer
            > > > > > > > > of mine, and fortunately around noon today the the
            "Website
            > > > Top
            > > > > > > Nav
            > > > > > > > > With Submenus" (both JS and HTML) changed _back_ to the
            > > > simple
            > > > > > > version
            > > > > > > > > we needed and I managed to do a view source on both of
            > > > these and
            > > > > > > > > captured the code.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Now these menu examples are quite fubar, rather ugly
            and not
            > > > at
            > > > > > > all
            > > > > > > > > what we need, on top of which a mouseover on the right two
            > > > options
            > > > > > > > > ("Shopping", "Information") produce a flasning, transient
            > > > submenu
            > > > > > > > > which is impossible to use. It's quite broken!
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > Please, give us back the simple examples with the nav
            bar
            > > > in a
            > > > > > > single
            > > > > > > > > line.
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
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