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  • tednellen
    haha, sspellcheck. goodness no. still using pine, love it to pieces and no spell check yet. in development. you got bunches those smiley s still left in ya
    Message 1 of 10 , Apr 30 5:40 PM
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      haha, sspellcheck.

      goodness no. still using pine, love it to pieces
      and no spell check yet.
      in development.

      you got bunches those smiley's still left in ya john..

      it's more an annoyance, you know like them filters and sheech.

      javascript? you writing coffee commercials?

      colo is a lovely place...

      ted

      On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, John F. Adsit wrote:

      > Ted,
      >
      > I am sorry that I cannot help you more, for several reasons. :-(
      >
      > I am really sorry to hear that you still do raw HTML in Telnet (and,
      > knowing your history, I was shocked by the suggestion that you had
      > stopped). If you are ever in the area for an extended time, I can
      > suggest someone who can help you. (Half hour sessions are very pricey,
      > though.) ;-)
      >
      > I am also sorry that you have mistaken me for someone who is a real hard
      > core HTML coder. I was with your students long before they were!
      > Search the musty archives of WWWEDU, and you will find I was on the
      > other side of the Suez canal from you on this issue eons ago. I am
      > happy as a lark in a WYSIWYG environment, and I only code HTML when I
      > can't get the WYSIWYG to behave properly, or when I have do something
      > quickly in BlackBoard. In fact, in my current work, I do extremely
      > little web development at all. Haven't written a Javascript in nearly
      > two years. I can't handle the really hard HTML questions. :-[
      >
      > But you must have abandoned Pine or whatever you were using for email
      > before. I mean, it looks like you've got spellcheck! :-D
      >
      > I am about out of smiley's, so I will have to sign of without doing you
      > a bit of good.
      >
      > Sorry!
      >
      >
      > tednellen wrote:
      >
      > >hey short one, that is affectionate. a term i picked up from my nam days.
      > >being short meant few days left in vcountry before going back to the
      > >world...
      > >
      > >i have obviously not explained myself. as you may or may not know i still
      > >hand code in telnet, but now that i'm working with younger teachers and
      > >kids who find telnet way too ancient to use, i have started using netscape
      > >as i like it's composer feature and know of html aspect too. the question
      > >is when i use a code like bgproperties=fixed in my body tag, in IE that
      > >screen applies the desired affect but not in netscape.
      > >example:
      > >use both browsers to see what i mean. what i want is what happens to the
      > >background in IE to also happen in netscape. how?
      > >
      > >http://tnellen.com/alt/index.htm
      > >
      > >ted
      > >
      > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, John F. Adsit wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >>Ted and anyone else,
      > >>
      > >>In Netscape 7, it is really easy to add code. All you have to do is go
      > >>to the View menu and select HTML source. You can then put in any
      > >>blessed tags your heart desires. You can do the whole thing in code if
      > >>you want. Click on Save, and see the results.
      > >>
      > >>My tutorial is ancient, by the way, and since our district is officially
      > >>moved to DreamWeaver as its main editing software, and since I will be
      > >>officially retired in 32 days, 8 hours, six minutes, and 14 seconds, I
      > >>will not be updating it.
      > >>
      > >>tednellen wrote:
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>>This question is driving me crazy. I know john adsit has a great netscape
      > >>>tutorial and was wondering if he or anyone else could help me with a
      > >>>netscape coding problem. i cant find the codes i need to put in my coding
      > >>>that let my pages show in netscape as they do in IE.
      > >>>I recall awhile ago when i used 2.02 that i had a reference for adding
      > >>>some code for netscape. now that i'm using 7.02 i cant find that
      > >>>reference. anyone have links?
      > >>>
      > >>>help!
      > >>>thanks,
      > >>>ted
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >

      --

      Ted Nellen 8-)
      Cybrarian http://www.tnellen.com/ted/
      CyberEnglish http://www.tnellen.net/cyberenglish/
      CyberSchool http://www.tnellen.com/alt/

      One must learn by doing the thing. For though you think you know
      it, you have no certainty until you try.

      ~ Sophocles ~ (BC 495-406, Greek Tragic Poet)
    • tednellen
      and john, i do recall you weaving amongst my young scholars. ted ... -- Ted Nellen 8-) Cybrarian http://www.tnellen.com/ted/
      Message 2 of 10 , Apr 30 5:56 PM
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        and john, i do recall you weaving amongst my young scholars.

        ted



        On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, John F. Adsit wrote:

        > Ted,
        >
        > I am sorry that I cannot help you more, for several reasons. :-(
        >
        > I am really sorry to hear that you still do raw HTML in Telnet (and,
        > knowing your history, I was shocked by the suggestion that you had
        > stopped). If you are ever in the area for an extended time, I can
        > suggest someone who can help you. (Half hour sessions are very pricey,
        > though.) ;-)
        >
        > I am also sorry that you have mistaken me for someone who is a real hard
        > core HTML coder. I was with your students long before they were!
        > Search the musty archives of WWWEDU, and you will find I was on the
        > other side of the Suez canal from you on this issue eons ago. I am
        > happy as a lark in a WYSIWYG environment, and I only code HTML when I
        > can't get the WYSIWYG to behave properly, or when I have do something
        > quickly in BlackBoard. In fact, in my current work, I do extremely
        > little web development at all. Haven't written a Javascript in nearly
        > two years. I can't handle the really hard HTML questions. :-[
        >
        > But you must have abandoned Pine or whatever you were using for email
        > before. I mean, it looks like you've got spellcheck! :-D
        >
        > I am about out of smiley's, so I will have to sign of without doing you
        > a bit of good.
        >
        > Sorry!
        >
        >
        > tednellen wrote:
        >
        > >hey short one, that is affectionate. a term i picked up from my nam days.
        > >being short meant few days left in vcountry before going back to the
        > >world...
        > >
        > >i have obviously not explained myself. as you may or may not know i still
        > >hand code in telnet, but now that i'm working with younger teachers and
        > >kids who find telnet way too ancient to use, i have started using netscape
        > >as i like it's composer feature and know of html aspect too. the question
        > >is when i use a code like bgproperties=fixed in my body tag, in IE that
        > >screen applies the desired affect but not in netscape.
        > >example:
        > >use both browsers to see what i mean. what i want is what happens to the
        > >background in IE to also happen in netscape. how?
        > >
        > >http://tnellen.com/alt/index.htm
        > >
        > >ted
        > >
        > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, John F. Adsit wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >>Ted and anyone else,
        > >>
        > >>In Netscape 7, it is really easy to add code. All you have to do is go
        > >>to the View menu and select HTML source. You can then put in any
        > >>blessed tags your heart desires. You can do the whole thing in code if
        > >>you want. Click on Save, and see the results.
        > >>
        > >>My tutorial is ancient, by the way, and since our district is officially
        > >>moved to DreamWeaver as its main editing software, and since I will be
        > >>officially retired in 32 days, 8 hours, six minutes, and 14 seconds, I
        > >>will not be updating it.
        > >>
        > >>tednellen wrote:
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>>This question is driving me crazy. I know john adsit has a great netscape
        > >>>tutorial and was wondering if he or anyone else could help me with a
        > >>>netscape coding problem. i cant find the codes i need to put in my coding
        > >>>that let my pages show in netscape as they do in IE.
        > >>>I recall awhile ago when i used 2.02 that i had a reference for adding
        > >>>some code for netscape. now that i'm using 7.02 i cant find that
        > >>>reference. anyone have links?
        > >>>
        > >>>help!
        > >>>thanks,
        > >>>ted
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
        >

        --

        Ted Nellen 8-)
        Cybrarian http://www.tnellen.com/ted/
        CyberEnglish http://www.tnellen.net/cyberenglish/
        CyberSchool http://www.tnellen.com/alt/

        One must learn by doing the thing. For though you think you know
        it, you have no certainty until you try.

        ~ Sophocles ~ (BC 495-406, Greek Tragic Poet)
      • Hall, Richard H.
        Ted, First of all, the two pages looked the same in IE 6 and Netscape 7 to me, Netscape 4.7 wouldn t display it at all. However, whatever problems you are
        Message 3 of 10 , May 1, 2003
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          Ted,

          First of all, the two pages looked the same in IE 6 and Netscape 7 to me, Netscape 4.7 wouldn't display it at all.

          However, whatever problems you are having are probably because bgproperties==fixed is a proprietary IE tag.

          If this is supposed to result in a stationary background, independent of scrolling you can get this same effect with css background positioning ... that would be my recommendation ... plus you'd be able to do it using code consistent with web standards.

          ... Richard

          ******************************************************************************
          Richard H. Hall, Ph.D., rhall@...
          Associate Professor, Information Science and Technology
          Director, Media Research Lab
          University of Missouri - Rolla
          http://medialab.umr.edu/rhall
          ******************************************************************************


          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: tednellen [mailto:tnellen@...]
          > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:13 PM
          > To: wwwedu@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: Re: [WWWEDU] html in netscape
          >
          >
          > hey short one, that is affectionate. a term i picked up from
          > my nam days.
          > being short meant few days left in vcountry before going back to the
          > world...
          >>
        • tednellen
          yes they look the same except the fixed background. amazing that html tag can be proprietary. gates is a piecew of work. but then we do have a whole water
          Message 4 of 10 , May 1, 2003
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            yes they look the same except the fixed background. amazing that html tag
            can be proprietary. gates is a piecew of work.

            but then we do have a whole water industry, haha.

            i have a hard enough time dealing with test standards let alone web
            stanadrds esp as they become proprietary.


            thanks

            ted


            On Thu, 1 May 2003, Hall, Richard H. wrote:

            > Ted,
            >
            > First of all, the two pages looked the same in IE 6 and Netscape 7 to
            > me, Netscape 4.7 wouldn't display it at all.
            >
            > However, whatever problems you are having are probably because
            > bgproperties==fixed is a proprietary IE tag.
            >
            > If this is supposed to result in a stationary background, independent of
            > scrolling you can get this same effect with css background positioning
            > ... that would be my recommendation ... plus you'd be able to do it
            > using code consistent with web standards.
            >
            > ... Richard
            >
            > ******************************************************************************
            > Richard H. Hall, Ph.D., rhall@...
            > Associate Professor, Information Science and Technology
            > Director, Media Research Lab
            > University of Missouri - Rolla
            > http://medialab.umr.edu/rhall
            > ******************************************************************************
            >
            >
            > > -----Original Message-----
            > > From: tednellen [mailto:tnellen@...]
            > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:13 PM
            > > To: wwwedu@yahoogroups.com
            > > Subject: Re: [WWWEDU] html in netscape
            > >
            > >
            > > hey short one, that is affectionate. a term i picked up from
            > > my nam days.
            > > being short meant few days left in vcountry before going back to the
            > > world...
            > >>
            >
            >
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            --

            Ted Nellen 8-)
            Cybrarian http://www.tnellen.com/ted/
            CyberEnglish http://www.tnellen.net/cyberenglish/
            CyberSchool http://www.tnellen.com/alt/

            One must learn by doing the thing. For though you think you know
            it, you have no certainty until you try.

            ~ Sophocles ~ (BC 495-406, Greek Tragic Poet)
          • tednellen
            thanks, useful sites. css is the route methinks. ted ... -- Ted Nellen 8-) Cybrarian http://www.tnellen.com/ted/ CyberEnglish
            Message 5 of 10 , May 1, 2003
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              thanks, useful sites.

              css is the route methinks.

              ted

              On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Robert Eiffert wrote:

              > There are some charts that show differences between browsers, whether a
              > certain tag works in all or only some versions, etc.
              > This is one I bookmarked: http://www.ncdesign.org/html/list.htm
              >
              > Part of the problem is how different browsers (and OS) read
              > measurements. Pixels, EM, +- can all do different things.
              >
              > I had a book by Peachpit Press (http://www.peachpit.com/) that was good
              > about explaining what worked in what browser. Mine was HTML2 for the
              > WWW. Looks like there is a newer edition that keeps the same format
              > _HTML 4 for the World Wide Web, Fourth Edition: Visual QuickStart Guide_
              > Its focus is handcoding, handy when you can't figure out what a wysiwyg
              > editor is trying to do.
              >
              > BTW, using CSS can help with some of the differences. You can either
              > adjust by having style for different browsers or sometimes by splitting
              > the difference. CSS also allows some flexibility in that changes can be
              > quickly made on multiple pages or some attributes can be more easily
              > tuned.
              >
              > HTH,
              > Robert Eiffert, Media Specialist
              > Pacific Middle School
              > Evergreen SD, Vancouver Washington
              > beiffert@...
              > beiffert@...
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: tednellen [mailto:tnellen@...]
              > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 12:13 PM
              > To: wwwedu@yahoogroups.com
              > Subject: Re: [WWWEDU] html in netscape
              >
              >
              > hey short one, that is affectionate. a term i picked up from my nam
              > days.
              > being short meant few days left in vcountry before going back to the
              > world...
              >
              > i have obviously not explained myself. as you may or may not know i
              > still
              > hand code in telnet, but now that i'm working with younger teachers and
              > kids who find telnet way too ancient to use, i have started using
              > netscape
              > as i like it's composer feature and know of html aspect too. the
              > question
              > is when i use a code like bgproperties=fixed in my body tag, in IE that
              > screen applies the desired affect but not in netscape.
              > example:
              > use both browsers to see what i mean. what i want is what happens to the
              >
              > background in IE to also happen in netscape. how?
              >
              > http://tnellen.com/alt/index.htm
              >
              > ted
              >
              > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, John F. Adsit wrote:
              >
              > > Ted and anyone else,
              > >
              > > In Netscape 7, it is really easy to add code. All you have to do is
              > > go
              > > to the View menu and select HTML source. You can then put in any
              > > blessed tags your heart desires. You can do the whole thing in code
              > if
              > > you want. Click on Save, and see the results.
              > >
              > > My tutorial is ancient, by the way, and since our district is
              > > officially
              > > moved to DreamWeaver as its main editing software, and since I will be
              >
              > > officially retired in 32 days, 8 hours, six minutes, and 14 seconds, I
              >
              > > will not be updating it.
              > >
              > > tednellen wrote:
              > >
              > > >This question is driving me crazy. I know john adsit has a great
              > > >netscape
              > > >tutorial and was wondering if he or anyone else could help me with a
              > > >netscape coding problem. i cant find the codes i need to put in my
              > coding
              > > >that let my pages show in netscape as they do in IE.
              > > >I recall awhile ago when i used 2.02 that i had a reference for
              > adding
              > > >some code for netscape. now that i'm using 7.02 i cant find that
              > > >reference. anyone have links?
              > > >
              > > >help!
              > > >thanks,
              > > >ted
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              >
              >

              --

              Ted Nellen 8-)
              Cybrarian http://www.tnellen.com/ted/
              CyberEnglish http://www.tnellen.net/cyberenglish/
              CyberSchool http://www.tnellen.com/alt/

              One must learn by doing the thing. For though you think you know
              it, you have no certainty until you try.

              ~ Sophocles ~ (BC 495-406, Greek Tragic Poet)
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