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  • cmartin336@aol.com
    Hi Martin, how do you define thought ? Is this a symbolic or a verbal formulation in our mind ? And what is that, what has created this thought ? Is that
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      Hi Martin,


      how do you define thought ? Is this a symbolic or a verbal formulation in our mind ?

      And what is that, what has created this thought ? Is that itself a thought ? So that thought creates itself or is it different from thought ?

      How can you be sure that something can only be true or wrong ? Why cannot exist there a lot of other possibilities ?
      Even in mathematics we cannot decide for sure, if there could not exist contradictions in a mathematical theory.
      This can only be proved for arithmetics for instance, but not anymore for anylysis for instance. ( therorem from 'Gödel)

      "There are no teachers, there are no symbols these are creations of
      thought, thought can not enter the unkown"

      What is the unknown ? Could it not be, that all is known to us, because we are part of some entity and only not conscious of it ? If you read old writing of India, like the Vedanto for instance, then you can only wonder, how these old wise men came to such astounding conclusions, how old and how large the universe is, thousands of years before we found it out. How did they find it out ? Could it not be, that they had consious access to an entity, which owns all information ?

      regards
      Claus



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      Verschickt: Mo, 22 Mai 2006 22:47:13 -0000
      Thema: [wwbc] meditation


      Hi
      There are no teachers, there are no symbols these are creations of
      thought, thought can not enter the unkown, all you can do is observe
      without judgement, as far as i know about buddhism or any other ism
      is a creation of systems and methods there are no systems or methods
      they are there to give you a handle, a hope, a dream, to fulfill
      your desires or escape your fears, again all created by thought.

      Thought is of use only in your work and socialisation, all
      psycological thought is an escape from truth and dare i say it, love
      and freedom, love and freedom are at the begining there is no search
      it can not be found in another. silence is when when everything else
      is not.

      This can not be taught there are no teachers no gurus
      There is only observation understanding wisdom.

      This is not a discusion,or opinion, something is true or is false.
      trace thought back to the begining, how did it evolve,who started
      ownership, this is my spear,/ this is my wife/husband this is my
      peice of dirt this is my tribe this is my culture this is my
      religion,and why [desire/fear? you have to ask these qs yourself you
      have to find the truth, that is the only way you can understand, you
      can not be told by anyone as that is only intelectual understanding,
      it is not understanding to the core of your being] these are all
      creations of thought.
      Life is constantly new, just like you the universe is constantly
      changing, nothing is static including rocks

      I won't be able to reply till next week.
      Keep smiling
      Martin






      Also see the collabarative Mentat Wiki at http://ludism.org/mentat for
      information on how to become a better thinker.

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