Tariq Ali: Six years in Afghanistan
- Tariq Ali on Afghanistan: Six years of a war of terror
3 November 2007
The US launched its first assault in the "war on terror" in
Afghanistan six years ago. Today, the country remains one of the
poorest places on Earth, ruled by a corrupt warlord elite. Tariq Ali,
a veteran of the anti-war struggle for four decades, spoke to Sherry
Wolf about the disastrous consequences of the US-led war and what
the future holds.
This is the sixth anniversary of the US war on Afghanistan, which a
lot of people see as the "good" battle in the "war on terror", as
opposed to Iraq. Is that true?
I have always argued that this was essentially a crude war of revenge
to hit back immediately after the September 11 attacks for political
leaders to show the American population that "we are busy defending
you". It had no other major purpose to it other than being for revenge
an eye for an eye.
The second aim of this war, as [US President George] Bush spelled it
out, was to capture Osama bin Laden "dead or alive". Those were his
exact words, which we shouldn't forget. Apart from that, there were no
There was never any question that they were going to capture the
country. For one, the Northern Alliance wasn't going to resist nor
were the Iranians, who were very strong in western Afghanistan.
Iranian leaders were hostile to the Taliban for their own
opportunistic reasons, so they clambered onto the imperial bandwagon
and said, "Fine, we can't get rid of these guys, but if the Americans
do, we'll see how the situation develops".
Then there was the Pakistani military regime, without which the
Taliban would never have been in power, and which had been backing up
the Taliban logistically, militarily and in every other way.
Given that the US was going to use Pakistani military bases, the
regime asked for a few weeks to get their military personnel out of
Afghanistan before the US went in. In those two crucial weeks, of
course, Osama bin laden and the al Qaeda leadership also left
Afghanistan. They weren't going to wait around.
So the US took Kabul with NATO help, but it wasn't difficult because
there was no resistance at all. Then the question arose: What were
they going to do with the country?
They couldn't find Osama, though there was a two-week period media
hysteria about "reaching the Tora Bora caves" and all this kind of
propaganda. They dropped all these bombs and what happened? Nothing.
They destroyed the caves, but the quarry had escaped.
So what were they going to do now? It's obvious that bin Laden left
the country and went to the tribal zones between Pakistan and
Afghanistan, where the traditions of hospitality are very strong, and
he wasn't going to be handed over.
The US then implanted a puppet regime in Afghanistan. Let's remember
that Zalmay Khalilzad was Bush's chief adviser on Afghanistan at the
time, and he brought in one of his cronies who once worked for the
Unocal oil company, Hamid Karzai, to be president of Afghanistan. And,
presto, we had a country.
The problem soon became very obvious to the West that its arrangement
didn't really extend beyond Kabul and Kandahar, the two big cities in
the south, during the daytime. Elsewhere, in the west of the country,
pro-Iranian forces were in control. And in the north, the former
Soviet republics, still heavily under Moscow's influence, were in
So what were they going to do with this country? The answer is nothing.
Does the US have any support within Afghanistan?
I've argued that there's no doubt quite a number of Afghans were
relieved to have the Taliban removed quite a few thought, well, at
least now we'll have some peace and safety, and maybe some food to
eat. This was also the view of quite a few liberal commentators inside
Some of us argued with them, saying that the Taliban might have been
removed, but what would happen now? We warned them that as far as the
social infrastructure was concerned, it wasn't going to change for the
majority of Afghans.
That's exactly what has happened in these six years. What people
underestimate is that imperial occupations under neoliberalism reflect
the priorities of the new capitalist order, where they're privatising
everything in their own countries. So what happened was that money did
pour in and this money was used by Hamid Karzai and his cronies to
construct an elite in Afghanistan.
In the heart of Kabul, on prime land that they took by land-grabbing,
the elite were and are building large villas protected by NATO troops
in front of the entire population of the city and country.
It costs about $5000 or $6000 to build a cheap house for a family of
five or six, but they didn't do that. They spent millions of dollars
constructing large villas. God knows why, since they need a permanent
NATO guard to live in one of those villas. And they'll be taken away
from them once the Western armies withdraw.
That created a big crisis, and coupled with it was the fact that a
trigger-happy US military embarked on killing innocents.
Wherever the US heard gunfire, they would drop bombs. Someone should
have told them that Afghanistan is a tribal society, a culture where
people fire guns to celebrate whether it's weddings or the birth of
a child, they just run out and fire guns in the air. You'd have
thought Americans would have been more sympathetic to this, given the
gun culture in the US, but somehow they didn't appreciate it in
So the US started bombing people. Reports came of a wedding ceremony
in the US came and bombed the hell out of it. Casualties: 90 or 100
killed, men, women and children. And this multiplied.
How has the Taliban been able to make a resurgence?
The Taliban began to regroup, rearm and fight, and it scored a few
successes. What also began to happen simultaneously is that there were
people who were happy to see them back since no one else was
So they began to treat the Taliban as an umbrella organisation and
tell them what was going on. Lots of people supposedly working with
the US-NATO occupying authorities would go tell the Taliban where the
troops were going. Classic guerrilla warfare operations began, and the
US responded with more bombing raids. So there's a vicious circle in
If you look at the newspapers over the last year and do a survey of
all the reports where there were 60 Taliban were killed, 80 Taliban
killed, 90 Taliban killed, you add it up and they've already killed
thousands of supposed "Taliban" militia members and the total force
was supposed to be about 10,000.
In other words, if you believe these reports, then they've wiped out
three-quarters of the Taliban organisation, which is far from the
truth. But because the US is embarrassed at having killed civilians,
it has to say this.
You have a situation in the country where Hamid Karzai's brother, Wali
Ahmed Karzai, is well known as the largest heroin and arms smuggler in
the region. He's become that because his brother runs the country.
Here's this guy who was happy running an Afghan restaurant in
Baltimore and selling high-priced food to the students at Johns
Hopkins [University] and he's now second-in-command in the country
and making a fortune a "killing", let's say.
Symbolically, this has been a total disaster. So, far from being a
"good war", Afghanistan is turning out to be a nasty, unpleasant war,
and there's no way the US or other Western forces are going to be able
to stay there for too long.
What are the regional powers hoping to get as an outcome in Afghanistan?
The Pakistani military is hoping that the West will withdraw and some
sort of coalition government will be cobbled together between Karzai
and chunks of the Taliban.
This is worth stressing. Backed by the West, the Karzai regime, even
as we speak, is in serious negotiations with the Taliban. So the
Taliban, which was demonised as the worst force that ever existed in
the world, is now backed by the West as long as they do a deal with
The Taliban's first response to Karzai's offers was to say, "We won't
even discuss this with you unless all foreign troops are withdrawn
from the country". To which Karzai said, "That's not possible". He
thinks it's not possible because without foreign troops, he wouldn't
last 48 hours.
But as far as the Pakistani military is concerned, they know that they
won't be able to pull off a deal between the Taliban and Karzai as
long as foreign troops are in the region. The military imagines that
once Western troops are out, it can grab the country again, through
the Taliban and Karzai.
But I think this possibility is excluded now, because NATO made a mess
of the occupation, and because in these last six years, regional
autonomy has set in as a major factor in the country. Afghanistan was
always a tribal confederation, but it's now even more confederated in
And the Iranians and Russians are not going to permit a US-backed
Taliban takeover of the country. So Pakistan's military leaders can
hope to rule in one part of Afghanistan, but they won't be able to
rule the whole country.
I've been arguing in Pakistan and elsewhere for the total and
immediate withdrawal of all major troops and, simultaneously, the
convocation of a peace conference by the regional powers involved in
Afghanistan which means Pakistan, Iran, Russia and India, which is
the biggest power of all to set up a national government following
Western troop withdrawal and provide a breathing space for this
country to rest and hold elections for a constituent assembly in two
or three years' time.
In the meantime, these regional powers will guarantee no fighting and
no civil war. People should be sympathetic to such a notion, because
Afghanistan has been at war virtually nonstop since 1979. It's a
horrible business taking place in that country.
It's unlikely that the Americans or Pakistanis would agree to this, in
which case the situation will go from bad to worse, in my opinion.
So to sum up the situation in Afghanistan, it's a total mess. The US
can never win that war, and the main reason they can never win is that
Afghans don't like being occupied. Afghans kicked out the British in
the 19th century, the Russians in the 20th Century, and now they're
fighting again against the US and its NATO allies.
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