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  • wuhu_software
    You would have to Google your router on the Internet or look at the user s guide to see if there is any DNS caching happening within the router. From what I
    Message 1 of 10 , Jan 21, 2008
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      You would have to Google your router on the Internet or look at the
      user's guide to see if there is any DNS caching happening within the
      router.

      From what I have seen, most have an override where you can specify
      the DNS server to use (thus disabling internal DNS caching).

      --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, D Doty <oldcessna21@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > previous tests have shown no packet loss worldwide, I don't know
      how to check for DNS caching.
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: wuhu_software <wuhu_software@...>
      > To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:23:01 AM
      > Subject: [wuhu_software_group] Re: CWOP and the DNS locking
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      > D Doty,
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      > How is your Internet connection otherwise? Are you able to connect
      to
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      > most websites without having to refresh the page? It could be that
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      > you have a high packet loss to U.S. servers, I am not sure.
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      > You might want to investigate your router to determine whether or
      not
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      > it is performing any DNS caching. If it is, there may be a way to
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      > disable it or override it by specifying the DNS servers provided by
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      > your ISP.
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      > --- In wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com, D Doty
      <oldcessna21@ ...>
      >
      > wrote:
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      > >
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      > > I am on ADSL with a D-Link wireless router.
      >
      > > 512/128 advertised speed, usually don't get that or even close.
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      > Maybe half of d/l, UL is pretty close
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      > > 2.6 GB athalon processor with 1 GB DDR ram.
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      > > XP PRO SP2
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      > >
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      > > Only other info I can think of is I'm in the Philippines, so no
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      > ground circuits. I have rigged one from the telephone ground to the
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      > computer case, because of other problems.
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      > > Glad to provide any other info that will be helpfull
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      > >
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      > > ----- Original Message ----
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      > > From: wuhu_software <wuhu_software@ ...>
      >
      > > To: wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com
      >
      > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:53:29 AM
      >
      > > Subject: [wuhu_software_ group] Re: CWOP and the DNS locking
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      > > Can you give a bit of info about your setup?
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      > > 1) Type of Internet access? (Cable, DSL, etc)
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      > > 2) Using a home router
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      > > 3) PC, CPU (fast slow, plenty of memory)
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      > > 4) Operating system, with service packs.
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      > > 5) Anything else different about the machine/network?
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      > > Thanks.
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      > > --- In wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com, D Doty
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      > <oldcessna21@ ...>
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      > > wrote:
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      > > > A bit more info:
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      > > > WUHU 99.9 % Completed (rapid fire) this has been consistent
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      > > > CWOP 85.3% Completed (10 minute) up from 60 -70 %
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      > > > AWEKAS 99.3% Completed (5 minute) A bit low but just started
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      > about
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      > > 3 or 4 weeks ago
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      > > > Ham Weather 100.0 % complete (5 minute) Never had a failure to
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      > > upload
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      > > > ----- Original Message ----
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      > > > From: D Doty <oldcessna21@ ...>
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      > > > To: wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com
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      > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:23:16 AM
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      > > > Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_ group] Re: CWOP and the DNS locking
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      > > > I'll be happy to post log entries if it will help.
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      > > > Statistics so far:
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      > > > WUHU 99.9 % Completed (rapid fire)
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      > > > CWOP 85.3% Completed (10 minute)
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      > > > AWEKAS 99.3% Completed (5 minute)
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      > > > Ham Weather 100.0 % complete (5 minute)
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      > > > ----- Original Message ----
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      > > > From: Charles M. Owen <CMOwen@>
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      > > > To: wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com
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      > > > Cc: oldcessna21@ yahoo.com; Keith Walters <keith.walt@ gmail.
      com>
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      > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:31:13 PM
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      > > > Subject: RE: [wuhu_software_ group] Re: CWOP and
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      > > > the DNS locking
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      > > > at this point it's a WAG. It would be interesting to compare K
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      > > Walters
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      > > > and D Doty setup for that answer. D Doty was having problems to
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      > > > WUHU has a wide range of "locker" and "non-locking"
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      > > > DNS. Mine traced to the router that allows multiple computers
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      > > seems to be
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      > > > the originator. Some routers pass or cache differently. When I
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      > > tested your
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      > > > change it does move around. What you changed didn't change the
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      > > > that were working already and fixed some that were having
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      > > > Charles
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      > > > CW4870
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      > > > PS I will have a secondary station using
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      > > > WUHU again soon. You have really branched out since I came on
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      > board
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      > > two years
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      > > > ago. You may have lots of modules this time next year…
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      > > > -----Original Message-----
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      > > > From:
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      > > > wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com
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      > > > [mailto:wuhu_ software_ group@yahoogroup s.com] On
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      > > > Behalf Of wuhu_software
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      > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008
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      > > > 9:07 AM
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      > > > To:
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      > > > wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com
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      > > > Subject: [wuhu_software_ group] Re:
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      > > > CWOP and the DNS locking
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      > > > Charles,
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      > > > Do you have an explaination for why some users were
      experiencing
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      > > > errors before the DNS flush was added? It does not make sense
      to
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      > > > I was expecting that some users who were always uploading to
      the
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      > > > server might see the rotate user being used correctly however I
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      > > > cannot expain why there would be an improvment in the
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      > > > success /failures rates.
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      > > > WUHU will try to use the rotate server up to 5 times (that
      should
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      > > > walk through all of the IPs associated with the DNS record). If
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      > > > attempts to use rotate fail, it moves on to using the servers
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      > > > (first.aprs. net, second.aprs. net, etc).
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      > > > Ideas?
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      > > > --- In wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com,
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      > > > "Charles M. Owen"
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      > > > <CMOwen@> wrote:
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      > > > > Interesting that last night FOURTH went down and about half
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      > > > > and the other half just dropped out until FOURTH was back.
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      > > > > that rotates (past my Broadband router), I flop between FIRST
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      > > > > Now, if other software can be convinced.
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      > > > > CW4870
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      > > > > <http://first. aprs.net: 14501/>
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      > > > > <http://second. aprs.net: 14501/>
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      > > > > <http://third. aprs.net: 14501/>
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      > > > > <http://fourth. aprs.net: 14501>
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      >
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      > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;}
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      > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666;
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      > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0
      8px
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      >
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      >
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      > > color:#628c2a; font-size: 85%;font- weight:bold; line-
      >
      > height:122%; margin:10px 0px;}
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      >
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      > > padding:0 0;}
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      >
      > > font-family: Arial;}
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      > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{
      >
      > > margin:10px 0px;font-weight: bold;font- size:78%; line-height:
      122%;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{
      >
      > > margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 0 0;}
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      clean,
      >
      > sans-serif;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica,
      >
      > clean, sans-serif;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-text{
      >
      > > font-family: Georgia;
      >
      > > }
      >
      > > #ygrp-text p{
      >
      > > margin:0 0 1em 0;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{
      >
      > > font-family: Arial;
      >
      > > clear:both;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-vitnav{
      >
      > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-vitnav a{
      >
      > > padding:0 1px;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-actbar{
      >
      > > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text-
      >
      > align:right; }
      >
      > > #ygrp-actbar .left{
      >
      > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; }
      >
      > > .bld{font-weight: bold;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-grft{
      >
      > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-ft{
      >
      > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666;
      >
      > > padding:5px 0;
      >
      > > }
      >
      > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
      >
      > > padding-bottom: 10px;}
      >
      > >
      >
      > > #ygrp-vital{
      >
      > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px
      8px;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{
      >
      > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold;
      color:#333; text-
      >
      > transform:uppercase ;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-vital ul{
      >
      > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-vital ul li{
      >
      > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee;
      >
      > > }
      >
      > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
      >
      > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text-
      >
      > align:right; padding-right: .5em;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
      >
      > > font-weight: bold;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-vital a{
      >
      > > text-decoration: none;}
      >
      > >
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      > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{
      >
      > > text-decoration: underline; }
      >
      > >
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      > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{
      >
      > > color:#999;font- size:77%; }
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{
      >
      > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
      >
      > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; }
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
      >
      > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
      >
      > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{
      >
      > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{
      >
      > > padding:8px 0;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
      >
      > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-
      >
      > size:100%;line- height:122% ;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
      >
      > > text-decoration: none;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
      >
      > > text-decoration: underline; }
      >
      > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
      >
      > > margin:0;}
      >
      > > o{font-size: 0;}
      >
      > > .MsoNormal{
      >
      > > margin:0 0 0 0;}
      >
      > > #ygrp-text tt{
      >
      > > font-size:120% ;}
      >
      > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;}
      >
      > > .replbq{margin: 4;}
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      > > -->
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      > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
      >
      > ____________ __
      >
      > > Looking for last minute shopping deals?
      >
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