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  • Bob Tyszka
    I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering upgrading to an all wireless station. I am considering the Oregon Scientific WMR968 and the
    Message 1 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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          I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering upgrading to an all wireless station.  I am considering the Oregon Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.

           I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations, what are the Pro's and Con's of each?  What do I need to connect to a Windows XP machine via serial or USB?  Can I use WUHU alone or do I need to buy additional software?  Is it possible to display the data on the Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.

          I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a separate wind sensor.

      Thanks, and Happy Friday!

      Bob Tyszka
      California City, CA
      CW9012 / KCACALIF5


      Click for California City, California Forecast


    • Don
      Bob, I upgraded from a WS2317 to a WMR968 a while ago and I don t really have anything negative to say about it. I guess the only thing I would like is a
      Message 2 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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        Bob,

        I upgraded from a WS2317 to a WMR968 a while ago and I don't really have anything negative to say about it.  I guess the only thing I would like is a little more resolution on the pressure but it's not really bad, just not as much as a Davis or even a WS.

        I do like the ease of installation using the wireless method.  I used wired on my 2317 because it's wireless update was just too slow.  The OS is much faster.

        I'm sure the Davis is a better all around unit but for my PWS I feel the OS is plenty good enough.

        Don

        On 3/5/2010 8:44 AM, Bob Tyszka wrote:
            I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering upgrading to an all wireless station.  I am considering the Oregon Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.

             I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations, what are the Pro's and Con's of each?  What do I need to connect to a Windows XP machine via serial or USB?  Can I use WUHU alone or do I need to buy additional software?  Is it possible to display the data on the Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.

            I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a separate wind sensor.

        Thanks, and Happy Friday!

        Bob Tyszka
        California City, CA
        CW9012 / KCACALIF5


        Click for California City, California Forecast


      • John Liss
        Hey Bob, My two cents... The LaCrosse Series is the lower end of the spectrum hardware. Good stuff if you don t need to be +/- 0.1 % on your readings. Good
        Message 3 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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          Hey Bob,

          My two cents...

          The LaCrosse Series is the lower end of the spectrum hardware.  Good stuff if you don't need to be +/- 0.1 % on your readings.  Good enough for home.
          The Oregon Scientific is the next notch up from that.  Little bit better hardware.
          The Davis line is the lamborginies of weather stations.   Good hardware.  VERY good +/-'s for percentages on readings.
          (They are also very proud of their hardware price wise too)

          Personally I would recommend a dedicated box that DOES have a serial port (so you don't go down the USB driver road) and a station that has a Serial interface.

          The box itself.  Doesn't need to be much.  I have a P4 1.0 with 512Mb of ram 20Gb hd (I think might be smaller), running XP that collects data.  Some people use older laptops... they work just as well.

          Talking to the weather station hardware:
          WUHU can stand alone for the LaCrosse Series and I believe the Oregon Scientific as well.
          The Davis line you will need the Data logging module (chunk of software that allows you to talk to the console)

          Uploading your data:
          Depends on what you want to do here.... You can upload, or not.
          You have the option of signing up or not with a bunch of weather collectors like weather underground.

          Displaying your Data.
          LaCrosse units (I believe someone correct me if I am wrong) only talk to one console/sensor at a time.  I am unsure about the others.
          Other rooms data.... well you can create webpages with WUHU using the actions that just requires a web browser.

          Lots more info here:
          http://www.lissproductions.org/wuhu_manual/


          On 3/5/2010 9:44 AM, Bob Tyszka wrote:
              I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering upgrading to an all wireless station.  I am considering the Oregon Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.

               I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations, what are the Pro's and Con's of each?  What do I need to connect to a Windows XP machine via serial or USB?  Can I use WUHU alone or do I need to buy additional software?  Is it possible to display the data on the Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.

              I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a separate wind sensor.

          Thanks, and Happy Friday!

          Bob Tyszka
          California City, CA
          CW9012 / KCACALIF5


          Click for California City, California Forecast


        • cookevilleweatherguy@yahoo.com
          Bob: Since this isn t your first rodeo (so to speak) with Weather Stations, I would recommend you getting the VP2. Simply put, it is a better quality station
          Message 4 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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            Bob:

            Since this isn't your first rodeo (so to speak) with Weather Stations, I would recommend you getting the VP2.

            Simply put, it is a better quality station with numerous features & excellent customer support.

            The OS system is nice, but it isn't a Davis. It is like looking at a Toyota Avalon vs a Lexus. While the Avalon will 'do', it isn't a Lexus...and yes, the Lexus may be a few bucks more, but well worth it.

            As far as your serial vs USB question, I did that research & chose the serial connection for reliability.

            Finally, you will need the Davis Weather Link connector & software. I am currently using WUHU & WL together.

            I understand they can run at the same time,
            but I've not yet made that transition.

            Yell at me if I can help you with any other questions.

            -Michael D.
            Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Bob Tyszka <baluncru@...>
            Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:44:14
            To: WUHU<wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com>
            Subject: [wuhu_software_group] Time to upgrade?

            I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering
            upgrading to an all wireless station. I am considering the Oregon
            Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.

            I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations,
            what are the Pro's and Con's of each? What do I need to connect to a
            Windows XP machine via serial or USB? Can I use WUHU alone or do I need
            to buy additional software? Is it possible to display the data on the
            Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.

            I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a
            separate wind sensor.

            Thanks, and Happy Friday!

            *Bob Tyszka
            California City, CA
            CW9012 / KCACALIF5
            *

            Click for California City, California Forecast
            <http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/California_City.html?bannertypeclick=bigwx>
          • Rick
            You said to Correct you, so I will, I have TWO Consoles both receive updates from the same outside unit, in different parts of my house. Rick KOHWAPAK1
            Message 5 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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              You said to Correct you, so I will, I have TWO Consoles both receive updates from the same outside unit, in different parts of my house.


              Rick
              KOHWAPAK1
              http://twitter.com/wapakweathercom
              www.wapakweather.com

              --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, John Liss <john@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hey Bob,
              >
              > My two cents...
              >
              > The LaCrosse Series is the lower end of the spectrum hardware. Good
              > stuff if you don't need to be +/- 0.1 % on your readings. Good enough
              > for home.
              > The Oregon Scientific is the next notch up from that. Little bit better
              > hardware.
              > The Davis line is the lamborginies of weather stations. Good
              > hardware. VERY good +/-'s for percentages on readings.
              > (They are also very proud of their hardware price wise too)
              >
              > Personally I would recommend a dedicated box that DOES have a serial
              > port (so you don't go down the USB driver road) and a station that has a
              > Serial interface.
              >
              > The box itself. Doesn't need to be much. I have a P4 1.0 with 512Mb of
              > ram 20Gb hd (I think might be smaller), running XP that collects data.
              > Some people use older laptops... they work just as well.
              >
              > Talking to the weather station hardware:
              > WUHU can stand alone for the LaCrosse Series and I believe the Oregon
              > Scientific as well.
              > The Davis line you will need the Data logging module (chunk of software
              > that allows you to talk to the console)
              >
              > Uploading your data:
              > Depends on what you want to do here.... You can upload, or not.
              > You have the option of signing up or not with a bunch of weather
              > collectors like weather underground.
              >
              > Displaying your Data.
              > LaCrosse units (I believe someone correct me if I am wrong) only talk to
              > one console/sensor at a time. I am unsure about the others.
              > Other rooms data.... well you can create webpages with WUHU using the
              > actions that just requires a web browser.
              >
              > Lots more info here:
              > http://www.lissproductions.org/wuhu_manual/
              >
              >
              > On 3/5/2010 9:44 AM, Bob Tyszka wrote:
              > > I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering
              > > upgrading to an all wireless station. I am considering the Oregon
              > > Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.
              > >
              > > I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations,
              > > what are the Pro's and Con's of each? What do I need to connect to a
              > > Windows XP machine via serial or USB? Can I use WUHU alone or do I
              > > need to buy additional software? Is it possible to display the data
              > > on the Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.
              > >
              > > I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a
              > > separate wind sensor.
              > >
              > > Thanks, and Happy Friday!
              > >
              > > *Bob Tyszka
              > > California City, CA
              > > CW9012 / KCACALIF5
              > > *
              > >
              > > Click for California City, California Forecast
              > > <http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/California_City.html?bannertypeclick=bigwx>
              > >
              > >
              >
            • John Liss
              Thanks Rick good to know. Are they Lacrosse units?
              Message 6 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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                Thanks Rick good to know.

                Are they Lacrosse units?

                On 3/5/2010 1:16 PM, Rick wrote:
                You said to Correct you, so I will, I have TWO Consoles both receive updates from the same outside unit, in different parts of my house.
                
                
                Rick
                KOHWAPAK1
                http://twitter.com/wapakweathercom
                www.wapakweather.com
                
                --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, John Liss <john@...> wrote:
                  
                Hey Bob,
                
                My two cents...
                
                The LaCrosse Series is the lower end of the spectrum hardware.  Good 
                stuff if you don't need to be +/- 0.1 % on your readings.  Good enough 
                for home.
                The Oregon Scientific is the next notch up from that.  Little bit better 
                hardware.
                The Davis line is the lamborginies of weather stations.   Good 
                hardware.  VERY good +/-'s for percentages on readings.
                (They are also very proud of their hardware price wise too)
                
                Personally I would recommend a dedicated box that DOES have a serial 
                port (so you don't go down the USB driver road) and a station that has a 
                Serial interface.
                
                The box itself.  Doesn't need to be much.  I have a P4 1.0 with 512Mb of 
                ram 20Gb hd (I think might be smaller), running XP that collects data.  
                Some people use older laptops... they work just as well.
                
                Talking to the weather station hardware:
                WUHU can stand alone for the LaCrosse Series and I believe the Oregon 
                Scientific as well.
                The Davis line you will need the Data logging module (chunk of software 
                that allows you to talk to the console)
                
                Uploading your data:
                Depends on what you want to do here.... You can upload, or not.
                You have the option of signing up or not with a bunch of weather 
                collectors like weather underground.
                
                Displaying your Data.
                LaCrosse units (I believe someone correct me if I am wrong) only talk to 
                one console/sensor at a time.  I am unsure about the others.
                Other rooms data.... well you can create webpages with WUHU using the 
                actions that just requires a web browser.
                
                Lots more info here:
                http://www.lissproductions.org/wuhu_manual/
                
                
                On 3/5/2010 9:44 AM, Bob Tyszka wrote:
                    
                    I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering 
                upgrading to an all wireless station.  I am considering the Oregon 
                Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.
                
                     I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations, 
                what are the Pro's and Con's of each?  What do I need to connect to a 
                Windows XP machine via serial or USB?  Can I use WUHU alone or do I 
                need to buy additional software?  Is it possible to display the data 
                on the Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.
                
                    I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a 
                separate wind sensor.
                
                Thanks, and Happy Friday!
                
                *Bob Tyszka
                California City, CA
                CW9012 / KCACALIF5
                *
                
                Click for California City, California Forecast 
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              • Jon Golubiewski
                Bob, great summary! Thx! ... additional display ... Rick, I believe that you were responding to the Lacrosse units, right? To clarify a bit more... The
                Message 7 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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                  Bob, great summary!  Thx!

                  >>Is it possible to display the data on
                  the Lacrosse console as an additional display
                  >>in another room, etc.

                  Rick, I believe that you were responding to the Lacrosse units, right?
                  To clarify a bit more...  The Lacrosse units CAN send data to two consoles if you choose to transmit the data wireless from the base station to the console.  The second console will simply receive the wireless info as well.

                  There is a caveat, though...  By default, transmitting wireless data has the potential to significantly slow the data transmission rate (to conserve battery power).  However, there is a modification that you can perform that will allow you to transmit wirelessly at the wired rate (every 3-8 sec).  This allows you to (among other things) add a second console while retaining power to the remote sensor.

                  There are two detailed write-ups here:

                  Links
                  >
                  La Crosse Hardware Modifcations

                  Increase frequency of wireless transmissions to every 8 seconds.
                  Modification instructions in Italian. No translation is currently available.
                  http://www.fabriziosalvadori.com/modifica%20ws2300.htm

                  Remote Thermo Modification
                  How to Modify a Lacrosse Ws2300 for Frequent Wireless Updates
                  http://www.wikihow.com/Modify-a-Lacrosse-Ws2300-for-Frequent-Wireless-Updates

                  Jon G.




                  On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Rick <cfr301@...> wrote:
                   

                  You said to Correct you, so I will, I have TWO Consoles both receive updates from the same outside unit, in different parts of my house.

                  Rick
                  KOHWAPAK1
                  http://twitter.com/wapakweathercom
                  www.wapakweather.com


                • Bob Tyszka
                  Lots of good information out there if you are mechinically inclined. I am still try to figure out how to load the bullets into the soldering gun, if you know
                  Message 8 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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                        Lots of good information out there if you are mechinically inclined.  I am still try to figure out how to load the bullets into the soldering gun, if you know what I mean!  8-D

                        To clarify my original question, If I do get the OS or Davis WX station, would I be able to view the data on the old LaCrosse console.  The LaCrosse still works so why let it collect dust if I can use it in another part of the house.  I would use the OS or Davis console to connect to the computer and WUHU.

                    Thanks for all the responses, they have been very informative!

                    Bob T.

                    On 3/5/10 1:05 PM, Jon Golubiewski wrote:  

                    Bob, great summary!  Thx!

                    >>Is it possible to display the data on the Lacrosse console as an additional display
                    >>in another room, etc.

                    Rick, I believe that you were responding to the Lacrosse units, right?
                    To clarify a bit more...  The Lacrosse units CAN send data to two consoles if you choose to transmit the data wireless from the base station to the console.  The second console will simply receive the wireless info as well.

                    There is a caveat, though...  By default, transmitting wireless data has the potential to significantly slow the data transmission rate (to conserve battery power).  However, there is a modification that you can perform that will allow you to transmit wirelessly at the wired rate (every 3-8 sec).  This allows you to (among other things) add a second console while retaining power to the remote sensor.

                    There are two detailed write-ups here:

                    Links > La Crosse Hardware Modifcations

                    Increase frequency of wireless transmissions to every 8 seconds.
                    Modification instructions in Italian. No translation is currently available.
                    http://www.fabrizio salvadori. com/modifica% 20ws2300. htm

                    Remote Thermo Modification
                    How to Modify a Lacrosse Ws2300 for Frequent Wireless Updates
                    http://www.wikihow. com/Modify- a-Lacrosse- Ws2300-for- Frequent- Wireless- Updates

                    Jon G.




                    On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Rick <cfr301@wapakweather .com> wrote:
                     

                    You said to Correct you, so I will, I have TWO Consoles both receive updates from the same outside unit, in different parts of my house.

                    Rick
                    KOHWAPAK1
                    http://twitter. com/wapakweather com
                    www.wapakweather. com


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                  • Joe Sulkowski
                    I bought a usb to serial connection from Best Buy over a year ago for about $35 and had no problems with my Oregon Scientific 968. WUHU works alone with it.
                    Message 9 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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                      I bought a usb to serial connection from Best Buy over a year ago for about $35 and had no problems with my Oregon Scientific 968. WUHU works alone with it. The only drawback if you want to call it that is you have to manually change the time when the time changes. I love mine.

                      --- On Fri, 3/5/10, Bob Tyszka <baluncru@...> wrote:

                      From: Bob Tyszka <baluncru@...>
                      Subject: [wuhu_software_group] Time to upgrade?
                      To: "WUHU" <wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com>
                      Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 11:44 AM

                          I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering upgrading to an all wireless station.  I am considering the Oregon Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.

                           I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations, what are the Pro's and Con's of each?  What do I need to connect to a Windows XP machine via serial or USB?  Can I use WUHU alone or do I need to buy additional software?  Is it possible to display the data on the Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.

                          I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a separate wind sensor.

                      Thanks, and Happy Friday!

                      Bob Tyszka
                      California City, CA
                      CW9012 / KCACALIF5


                      Click for California City, California Forecast



                    • Jon Golubiewski
                      Hi Bob, The Lacrosse console will only display data from the Lacrosse sensors. I believe that it s the same thing with the other brands as well. If you
                      Message 10 of 12 , Mar 5, 2010
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                        Hi Bob,

                        The Lacrosse console will only display data from the Lacrosse sensors.  I believe that it's the same thing with the other brands as well.  If you wanted to keep the Lacrosse console in operation, simply leave the sensors in place.  Instead of having the Lacrosse station uploading the data to the web, connect the other system to the computer.

                        If all that you are looking for is a second console, you can buy secondary Lacrosse consoles.  Otherwise, I don't see any reason as to why the systems couldn't co-exist...

                        Jon G.



                        From: Bob Tyszka <baluncru@...>
                        Subject: [wuhu_software_group] Time to upgrade?
                        To: "WUHU" <wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com>
                        Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 11:44 AM


                            I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering upgrading to an all wireless station.  I am considering the Oregon Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.

                             I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations, what are the Pro's and Con's of each?  What do I need to connect to a Windows XP machine via serial or USB?  Can I use WUHU alone or do I need to buy additional software?  Is it possible to display the data on the Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.

                            I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a separate wind sensor.

                        Thanks, and Happy Friday!

                        Bob Tyszka
                        California City, CA
                        CW9012 / KCACALIF5


                        Click for California City, California Forecast






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                      • KNHBRIST1
                        Bob, huge price difference between the two. As for the WMR968, I put one up at our local elementary school a couple years ago, back when WUHU started working
                        Message 11 of 12 , Mar 6, 2010
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                          Bob, huge price difference between the two. As for the WMR968, I put one up at our local elementary school a couple years ago, back when WUHU started working with this unit...LOL. It gets almost no attention what so ever and has been working just fine. I am not happy with the humidity readings while temps are around zero, but I have that same issue with the my WS-2310.
                          So if you are looking for a completely wireless unit,separate sensors, low cost, reliable and needs very little attention, then the WMR968 may be a good choice.
                          I have had my LaCrosse WS-2310 now for 7 years, I will say I definitely got my moneys worth out of it. I do think that I may some day have to replace it and the WMR968 is on the list of potential replacements.
                          I have no experience with the Davis units, too expensive for me. All I can say is that through out different forums, there always seem to be large numbers of issues with the Davis Units. To be fair, this could be because there are large numbers of these units out there.
                          I also don't like the fact that you need to buy the data logger stuff in addition to the unit. I have read too many times of folks purchasing the unit based on the sale price only to find out after, that they need to buy more stuff. Yes, uneducated consumers, but just my 2 cents.
                          Steve



                          --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, Bob Tyszka <baluncru@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering
                          > upgrading to an all wireless station. I am considering the Oregon
                          > Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.
                          >
                          > I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations,
                          > what are the Pro's and Con's of each? What do I need to connect to a
                          > Windows XP machine via serial or USB? Can I use WUHU alone or do I need
                          > to buy additional software? Is it possible to display the data on the
                          > Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.
                          >
                          > I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a
                          > separate wind sensor.
                          >
                          > Thanks, and Happy Friday!
                          >
                          > *Bob Tyszka
                          > California City, CA
                          > CW9012 / KCACALIF5
                          > *
                          >
                          > Click for California City, California Forecast
                          > <http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/California_City.html?bannertypeclick=bigwx>
                          >
                        • Radu Eugen
                          You are absolutely right, Steve ! I would like to have a Davis unit too but the price and just like you said the additional features are not quite at hand...
                          Message 12 of 12 , Mar 6, 2010
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                            You are absolutely right, Steve ! I would like to have a Davis unit too but the price and just like you said the additional features are not quite at hand...
                            Greetings, Eugen, Oradea, Romania...

                            --- On Sat, 3/6/10, KNHBRIST1 <steve_03222@...> wrote:

                            From: KNHBRIST1 <steve_03222@...>
                            Subject: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Time to upgrade?
                            To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 9:56 AM

                             

                            Bob, huge price difference between the two. As for the WMR968, I put one up at our local elementary school a couple years ago, back when WUHU started working with this unit...LOL. It gets almost no attention what so ever and has been working just fine. I am not happy with the humidity readings while temps are around zero, but I have that same issue with the my WS-2310.
                            So if you are looking for a completely wireless unit,separate sensors, low cost, reliable and needs very little attention, then the WMR968 may be a good choice.
                            I have had my LaCrosse WS-2310 now for 7 years, I will say I definitely got my moneys worth out of it. I do think that I may some day have to replace it and the WMR968 is on the list of potential replacements.
                            I have no experience with the Davis units, too expensive for me. All I can say is that through out different forums, there always seem to be large numbers of issues with the Davis Units. To be fair, this could be because there are large numbers of these units out there.
                            I also don't like the fact that you need to buy the data logger stuff in addition to the unit. I have read too many times of folks purchasing the unit based on the sale price only to find out after, that they need to buy more stuff. Yes, uneducated consumers, but just my 2 cents.
                            Steve

                            --- In wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com, Bob Tyszka <baluncru@.. .> wrote:
                            >
                            > I have a LaCrosse WS2308, it is working fine, but I am considering
                            > upgrading to an all wireless station. I am considering the Oregon
                            > Scientific WMR968 and the Davis Vantage 2 Pro.
                            >
                            > I know that many of you have one or the other of these stations,
                            > what are the Pro's and Con's of each? What do I need to connect to a
                            > Windows XP machine via serial or USB? Can I use WUHU alone or do I need
                            > to buy additional software? Is it possible to display the data on the
                            > Lacrosse console as an additional display in another room, etc.
                            >
                            > I have looked at the Vantage Vue, but prefer a system with a
                            > separate wind sensor.
                            >
                            > Thanks, and Happy Friday!
                            >
                            > *Bob Tyszka
                            > California City, CA
                            > CW9012 / KCACALIF5
                            > *
                            >
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