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  • Rob Reab
    Not sure about the accuracy but, my 2317 is about 1 year old and I ve recorded a number of readings above 90%. FYI Rob Reab
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      Not sure about the accuracy but, my 2317 is about 1 year old and I've recorded a number of readings above 90%. FYI

      Rob Reab

       
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      To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
      From: steve_03222@...
      Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:00:54 +0000
      Subject: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors

       
      I have the old style and if my memory is correct, I asked LaCrosse tech folks about that and they said you would also need a new console to get the 1-99%.
      If you try it and it does work, please post here.
      Steve

      --- In wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com, "wuhu_software" <wuhu_software@ ...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Good question... If I had to guess, I would say that you need both a new console and a remote thermo, but that is only a guess.
      >
      > It is possible that the key is just the remote thermo unit.
      >
      > --- In wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com, Rich Brunnworth <ibbrunnie@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Will the console recognize the 1-99% humidity range?
      > >
      > > Rich
      > >
      > > wuhu_software wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > The WS-23XX stuff is probably all compatible however the older remote
      > > > thermo supports a limited relative humidity range of 19-90%? rather
      > > > than 1-99% in the newer versions.
      > > >
      > >
      > > --
      > > Rich
      > >
      >




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    • wuhu_software
      Ok, I forgot, my old WS-2310 must be one of the newer ones... I forgot about that. Both consoles do show 93% humidity, but looking back, that was a newer
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        Ok, I forgot, my old WS-2310 must be one of the newer ones... I forgot about that. Both consoles do show 93% humidity, but looking back, that was a newer model.

        Does anyone have a junk old style WS-23XX console laying around?

        Thanks.

        --- In wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com, Rich Brunnworth <ibbrunnie@...> wrote:
        >
        > It's worth a try. Worst that can happen is it doesn't work. LOL
        >
        > Rich
        >
        > wuhu_software wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > One clue might be that I did run a WS-2308 with the old remote thermo
        > > type. It did work. I later swapped it out for the newer version and it
        > > was then full range. That is why I believe it may be possible. I do
        > > have an old console I could check it out... Maybe tomorrow.
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --
        > Rich
        >
      • lratcliff lratcliff
        Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was thinking of something like a
        Message 3 of 28 , Oct 5, 2009
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          Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
          Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
          thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
          in commercial audio mic cable.

          Lee
          KC4ART
        • Rob Reab
          I think a quick search of this forum will give you lot s of results of people having success replacing cables with shielded-twisted pair cable. On that note,
          Message 4 of 28 , Oct 5, 2009
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            I think a quick search of this forum will give you lot’s of results of people having success replacing cables with shielded-twisted pair cable.

             

            On that note, I’ve being thinking of doing this myself. I’ve been plagued with invalid wind speed readings on my 2317. I’ve been using rechargeable batteries on mine. My batteries ran out this recently. After replacing them, I’ve had no erroneous readings since. Weak batteries may have been causing the majority of the bad readings. I may be switching to disposables soon. FYI

             

            From: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lratcliff lratcliff
            Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:30 AM
            To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors

             

             

            Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
            Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
            thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
            in commercial audio mic cable.

            Lee
            KC4ART

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          • Jerry Flanders
            Look up the specs on common cat-5 cable. I would expect high RFI immunity if you used it balanced as intended. I actually use a 80 foot length of it to carry
            Message 5 of 28 , Oct 5, 2009
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              Look up the specs on common cat-5 cable. I would expect high RFI
              immunity if you used it balanced as intended. I actually use a 80
              foot length of it to carry the HDTV signals from my DISH satellite
              receiver to my bedroom TV, and a second run for the stereo audio.
              Works well. Common RCA plugs at each end, and no apparent problem
              with the balanced-to-unbalanced transitions at each end.

              Common shielded wire may not be as good as properly connected cat-5
              in this regard - common shielded wire usually offers less than 100% shielding.

              Jerry W4UK

              At 08:30 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
              >Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
              >Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
              >thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
              >in commercial audio mic cable.
              >
              >Lee
              >KC4ART
            • Jerry Flanders
              I should have also mentioned that I actually intended to wire up my Lacrosse 2315 with a run of cat-5 from the sensors to the console, but decided to keep it
              Message 6 of 28 , Oct 5, 2009
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                I should have also mentioned that I actually intended to wire up my
                Lacrosse 2315 with a run of cat-5 from the sensors to the console,
                but decided to keep it totally wireless after realizing what a nice
                conductor that cat-5 would provide for lightning, and the value of
                the electronics in the shack also hooked up to the wx computer. I
                will put up with changing those batteries, or maybe plug in a wall
                wart outside to substitute for the batteries.

                Jerry W4UK

                At 10:29 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                >Look up the specs on common cat-5 cable. I would expect high RFI
                >immunity if you used it balanced as intended. I actually use a 80
                >foot length of it to carry the HDTV signals from my DISH satellite
                >receiver to my bedroom TV, and a second run for the stereo audio.
                >Works well. Common RCA plugs at each end, and no apparent problem
                >with the balanced-to-unbalanced transitions at each end.
                >
                >Common shielded wire may not be as good as properly connected cat-5
                >in this regard - common shielded wire usually offers less than 100% shielding.
                >
                >Jerry W4UK
                >
                >At 08:30 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                > >Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                > >Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                > >thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
                > >in commercial audio mic cable.
                > >
                > >Lee
                > >KC4ART
                >
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              • lratcliff lratcliff
                Ok, I am not familure with the CAT5 cable, other than knowing what it is. How would I wire it up as ballanced. I understand what that means as far as RF feed
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                  Ok, I am not familure with the CAT5 cable, other than knowing what it
                  is. How would I wire it up as ballanced. I understand what that
                  means as far as RF feed lines, but not sure how to make it work in
                  this application.

                  Lee
                  KC4ART

                  On 10/5/09, Jerry Flanders <jeflanders@...> wrote:
                  > I should have also mentioned that I actually intended to wire up my
                  > Lacrosse 2315 with a run of cat-5 from the sensors to the console,
                  > but decided to keep it totally wireless after realizing what a nice
                  > conductor that cat-5 would provide for lightning, and the value of
                  > the electronics in the shack also hooked up to the wx computer. I
                  > will put up with changing those batteries, or maybe plug in a wall
                  > wart outside to substitute for the batteries.
                  >
                  > Jerry W4UK
                  >
                  > At 10:29 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                  > >Look up the specs on common cat-5 cable. I would expect high RFI
                  > >immunity if you used it balanced as intended. I actually use a 80
                  > >foot length of it to carry the HDTV signals from my DISH satellite
                  > >receiver to my bedroom TV, and a second run for the stereo audio.
                  > >Works well. Common RCA plugs at each end, and no apparent problem
                  > >with the balanced-to-unbalanced transitions at each end.
                  > >
                  > >Common shielded wire may not be as good as properly connected cat-5
                  > >in this regard - common shielded wire usually offers less than 100% shielding.
                  > >
                  > >Jerry W4UK
                  > >
                  > >At 08:30 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                  > > >Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                  > > >Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                  > > >thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
                  > > >in commercial audio mic cable.
                  > > >
                  > > >Lee
                  > > >KC4ART
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                • Jerry Flanders
                  You have 4 pairs of conductors. just pretend they are 4 shielded cables and use the same wire at each end as if it were the shield - for example, with a blue
                  Message 8 of 28 , Oct 5, 2009
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                    You have 4 pairs of conductors. just pretend they are 4 shielded
                    cables and use the same wire at each end as if it were the shield -
                    for example, with a blue and blue+white pair, let the blue be the
                    "center" conductor and the blue+white be the shield.

                    Lets say you have 4 signal lines plus one ground to connect up
                    between your devices. I would connect all the color+white lines to
                    the ground and then use the colors for each of the 4 signal lines.

                    In my HDTV application, I didn't need to connect the "shields" in
                    common, but I don't think it will make any difference.

                    Jerry W4UK

                    At 11:34 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                    >Ok, I am not familure with the CAT5 cable, other than knowing what it
                    >is. How would I wire it up as ballanced. I understand what that
                    >means as far as RF feed lines, but not sure how to make it work in
                    >this application.
                    >
                    >Lee
                    >KC4ART
                    >
                    >On 10/5/09, Jerry Flanders <jeflanders@...> wrote:
                    > > I should have also mentioned that I actually intended to wire up my
                    > > Lacrosse 2315 with a run of cat-5 from the sensors to the console,
                    > > but decided to keep it totally wireless after realizing what a nice
                    > > conductor that cat-5 would provide for lightning, and the value of
                    > > the electronics in the shack also hooked up to the wx computer. I
                    > > will put up with changing those batteries, or maybe plug in a wall
                    > > wart outside to substitute for the batteries.
                    > >
                    > > Jerry W4UK
                    > >
                    > > At 10:29 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                    > > >Look up the specs on common cat-5 cable. I would expect high RFI
                    > > >immunity if you used it balanced as intended. I actually use a 80
                    > > >foot length of it to carry the HDTV signals from my DISH satellite
                    > > >receiver to my bedroom TV, and a second run for the stereo audio.
                    > > >Works well. Common RCA plugs at each end, and no apparent problem
                    > > >with the balanced-to-unbalanced transitions at each end.
                    > > >
                    > > >Common shielded wire may not be as good as properly connected cat-5
                    > > >in this regard - common shielded wire usually offers less than
                    > 100% shielding.
                    > > >
                    > > >Jerry W4UK
                    > > >
                    > > >At 08:30 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                    > > > >Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                    > > > >Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                    > > > >thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
                    > > > >in commercial audio mic cable.
                    > > > >
                    > > > >Lee
                    > > > >KC4ART
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                  • Rob Reab
                    If you re rewiring to reduce RF interference, I would suggest shielded twisted pair cable. Conventional cat5 is not shielded. Can t help you on the balance
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                      If you’re rewiring to reduce RF interference, I would suggest shielded twisted pair cable. Conventional cat5 is not shielded. Can’t help you on the ‘balance’ issues.

                       

                      From: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lratcliff lratcliff
                      Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
                      To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors

                       

                       

                      Ok, I am not familure with the CAT5 cable, other than knowing what it
                      is. How would I wire it up as ballanced. I understand what that
                      means as far as RF feed lines, but not sure how to make it work in
                      this application.

                      Lee
                      KC4ART

                      On 10/5/09, Jerry Flanders <jeflanders@...> wrote:

                      > I should have also mentioned that I actually intended to wire up my
                      > Lacrosse 2315 with a run of cat-5 from the sensors to the console,
                      > but decided to keep it totally wireless after realizing what a nice
                      > conductor that cat-5 would provide for lightning, and the value of
                      > the electronics in the shack also hooked up to the wx computer. I
                      > will put up with changing those batteries, or maybe plug in a wall
                      > wart outside to substitute for the batteries.
                      >
                      > Jerry W4UK
                      >
                      > At 10:29 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                      > >Look up the specs on common cat-5 cable. I would expect high RFI
                      > >immunity if you used it balanced as intended. I actually use a 80
                      > >foot length of it to carry the HDTV signals from my DISH satellite
                      > >receiver to my bedroom TV, and a second run for the stereo audio.
                      > >Works well. Common RCA plugs at each end, and no apparent problem
                      > >with the balanced-to-unbalanced transitions at each end.
                      > >
                      > >Common shielded wire may not be as good as properly connected cat-5
                      > >in this regard - common shielded wire usually offers less than 100%
                      shielding.
                      > >
                      > >Jerry W4UK
                      > >
                      > >At 08:30 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                      > > >Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                      > > >Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                      > > >thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is
                      used
                      > > >in commercial audio mic cable.
                      > > >
                      > > >Lee
                      > > >KC4ART
                      > >
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                    • lratcliff lratcliff
                      OK, I think I understand now. I assume I can make one run to the rain and wind sensor, using a different pair for each, and split them out to go to the
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                        OK, I think I understand now.  I assume I can make one run to the rain and wind sensor, using a different pair for each, and split them out to go to the sensors, and the temp sensor on the other end.  Ok to leave the unused pairs open?
                         
                        Lee
                        KC4ART


                         
                        On 10/5/09, Rob Reab <robreab@...> wrote:


                        If you’re rewiring to reduce RF interference, I would suggest shielded twisted pair cable. Conventional cat5 is not shielded. Can’t help you on the ‘balance’ issues.

                         

                        From: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lratcliff lratcliff
                        Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
                        To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors

                         

                         

                        Ok, I am not familure with the CAT5 cable, other than knowing what it


                        is. How would I wire it up as ballanced. I understand what that
                        means as far as RF feed lines, but not sure how to make it work in
                        this application.

                        Lee
                        KC4ART

                        On 10/5/09, Jerry Flanders <jeflanders@...> wrote:
                        > I should have also mentioned that I actually intended to wire up my
                        > Lacrosse 2315 with a run of cat-5 from the sensors to the console,
                        > but decided to keep it totally wireless after realizing what a nice
                        > conductor that cat-5 would provide for lightning, and the value of
                        > the electronics in the shack also hooked up to the wx computer. I
                        > will put up with changing those batteries, or maybe plug in a wall
                        > wart outside to substitute for the batteries.
                        >
                        > Jerry W4UK
                        >
                        > At 10:29 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                        > >Look up the specs on common cat-5 cable. I would expect high RFI
                        > >immunity if you used it balanced as intended. I actually use a 80
                        > >foot length of it to carry the HDTV signals from my DISH satellite
                        > >receiver to my bedroom TV, and a second run for the stereo audio.
                        > >Works well. Common RCA plugs at each end, and no apparent problem
                        > >with the balanced-to-unbalanced transitions at each end.
                        > >
                        > >Common shielded wire may not be as good as properly connected cat-5
                        > >in this regard - common shielded wire usually offers less than 100% shielding.
                        > >
                        > >Jerry W4UK
                        > >
                        > >At 08:30 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                        > > >Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                        > > >Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                        > > >thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
                        > > >in commercial audio mic cable.
                        > > >
                        > > >Lee
                        > > >KC4ART
                        > >
                        > >
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                      • Jerry Flanders
                        I was thinking about the run from the temp/hygro sensor to the console. I would be surprised if the run to the rain/wind sensors need RFI protection. Anyway,
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                          I was thinking about the run from the temp/hygro sensor to the
                          console. I would be surprised if the run to the rain/wind sensors
                          need RFI protection. Anyway, if you want to use it, just ignore any
                          unused pairs and always use both wires of a pair - otherwise,
                          immunity to outside interference is impaired. I buy this stuff at
                          hamfests (electronic flea-market) for around a penny per foot, and
                          wouldn't bother trying to economize with it.

                          BTW, Shielding is not required if both lines of a pair are tightly
                          twisted. Look up the specs on cat-5 crosstalk, etc. This is great
                          general-purpose stuff. I don't know if the cables that come with the
                          Lacrosse are twisted pairs. Probably not, but you could twist them
                          manually to see if it helps in an RFI situation.

                          Jerry W4UK

                          At 12:19 PM 10/5/2009, you wrote:


                          >OK, I think I understand now. I assume I can make one run to the
                          >rain and wind sensor, using a different pair for each, and split
                          >them out to go to the sensors, and the temp sensor on the other
                          >end. Ok to leave the unused pairs open?
                          >
                          >Lee
                          >KC4ART
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >On 10/5/09, Rob Reab <<mailto:robreab@...>robreab@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          >If you're rewiring to reduce RF interference, I would suggest
                          >shielded twisted pair cable. Conventional cat5 is not shielded.
                          >Can't help you on the 'balance' issues.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >From:
                          ><mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com>wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                          >[mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lratcliff lratcliff
                          >Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
                          >To:
                          ><mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com>wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                          >Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >Ok, I am not familure with the CAT5 cable, other than knowing what it
                          >
                          >is. How would I wire it up as ballanced. I understand what that
                          >means as far as RF feed lines, but not sure how to make it work in
                          >this application.
                          >
                          >Lee
                          >KC4ART
                          >
                          >On 10/5/09, Jerry Flanders
                          ><<mailto:jeflanders%40comcast.net>jeflanders@...> wrote:
                          > > I should have also mentioned that I actually intended to wire up my
                          > > Lacrosse 2315 with a run of cat-5 from the sensors to the console,
                          > > but decided to keep it totally wireless after realizing what a nice
                          > > conductor that cat-5 would provide for lightning, and the value of
                          > > the electronics in the shack also hooked up to the wx computer. I
                          > > will put up with changing those batteries, or maybe plug in a wall
                          > > wart outside to substitute for the batteries.
                          > >
                          > > Jerry W4UK
                          > >
                          > > At 10:29 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                          > > >Look up the specs on common cat-5 cable. I would expect high RFI
                          > > >immunity if you used it balanced as intended. I actually use a 80
                          > > >foot length of it to carry the HDTV signals from my DISH satellite
                          > > >receiver to my bedroom TV, and a second run for the stereo audio.
                          > > >Works well. Common RCA plugs at each end, and no apparent problem
                          > > >with the balanced-to-unbalanced transitions at each end.
                          > > >
                          > > >Common shielded wire may not be as good as properly connected cat-5
                          > > >in this regard - common shielded wire usually offers less than
                          > 100% shielding.
                          > > >
                          > > >Jerry W4UK
                          > > >
                          > > >At 08:30 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                          > > > >Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                          > > > >Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                          > > > >thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
                          > > > >in commercial audio mic cable.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >Lee
                          > > > >KC4ART
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                        • Rob Reab
                          I was suggesting that shielded twisted pair would better protect against EXTERNAL RFI. Twisted pair alone, is designed to help eliminate crosstalk between the
                          Message 12 of 28 , Oct 5, 2009
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                            I was suggesting that shielded twisted pair would better protect against EXTERNAL RFI. Twisted pair alone, is designed to help eliminate crosstalk between the conductors as per the quotes below from CISCO.

                             

                            “Twisted-pair cable is a type of cabling that is used for telephone communications and most modern Ethernet networks. … The pairs are twisted to provide protection against crosstalk, the noise generated by adjacent pairs.”

                             

                            “Shielded twisted-pair (STP) cable combines the techniques of shielding, cancellation, and wire twisting. ….As specified for use in Ethernet network installations, STP reduces electrical noise both within the cable (pair-to-pair coupling, or crosstalk) and from outside the cable (EMI and RFI).

                             

                            Rob

                             

                            From: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Flanders
                            Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:32 PM
                            To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors

                             

                             

                            I was thinking about the run from the temp/hygro sensor to the
                            console. I would be surprised if the run to the rain/wind sensors
                            need RFI protection. Anyway, if you want to use it, just ignore any
                            unused pairs and always use both wires of a pair - otherwise,
                            immunity to outside interference is impaired. I buy this stuff at
                            hamfests (electronic flea-market) for around a penny per foot, and
                            wouldn't bother trying to economize with it.

                            BTW, Shielding is not required if both lines of a pair are tightly
                            twisted. Look up the specs on cat-5 crosstalk, etc. This is great
                            general-purpose stuff. I don't know if the cables that come with the
                            Lacrosse are twisted pairs. Probably not, but you could twist them
                            manually to see if it helps in an RFI situation.

                            Jerry W4UK

                            At 12:19 PM 10/5/2009, you wrote:

                            >OK, I think I understand now. I assume I can make one run to the
                            >rain and wind sensor, using a different pair for each, and split
                            >them out to go to the sensors, and the temp sensor on the other
                            >end. Ok to leave the unused pairs open?
                            >
                            >Lee
                            >KC4ART
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >On 10/5/09, Rob Reab <<mailto:robreab@...>
                            href="mailto:robreab%40msn.com">robreab@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >If you're rewiring to reduce RF interference, I would suggest
                            >shielded twisted pair cable. Conventional cat5 is not shielded.
                            >Can't help you on the 'balance' issues.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >From:
                            ><mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com>
                            href="mailto:wuhu_software_group%40yahoogroups.com">wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                            >[mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com]
                            On Behalf Of lratcliff lratcliff
                            >Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:34 AM
                            >To:
                            ><mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com>
                            href="mailto:wuhu_software_group%40yahoogroups.com">wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                            >Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >Ok, I am not familure with the CAT5 cable, other than knowing what it
                            >
                            >is. How would I wire it up as ballanced. I understand what that
                            >means as far as RF feed lines, but not sure how to make it work in
                            >this application.
                            >
                            >Lee
                            >KC4ART
                            >
                            >On 10/5/09, Jerry Flanders
                            ><<mailto:jeflanders%40comcast.net>
                            href="mailto:jeflanders%40comcast.net">jeflanders@...> wrote:
                            > > I should have also mentioned that I actually intended to wire up my
                            > > Lacrosse 2315 with a run of cat-5 from the sensors to the console,
                            > > but decided to keep it totally wireless after realizing what a nice
                            > > conductor that cat-5 would provide for lightning, and the value of
                            > > the electronics in the shack also hooked up to the wx computer. I
                            > > will put up with changing those batteries, or maybe plug in a wall
                            > > wart outside to substitute for the batteries.
                            > >
                            > > Jerry W4UK
                            > >
                            > > At 10:29 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                            > > >Look up the specs on common cat-5 cable. I would expect high RFI
                            > > >immunity if you used it balanced as intended. I actually use a 80
                            > > >foot length of it to carry the HDTV signals from my DISH
                            satellite
                            > > >receiver to my bedroom TV, and a second run for the stereo audio.
                            > > >Works well. Common RCA plugs at each end, and no apparent problem
                            > > >with the balanced-to-unbalanced transitions at each end.
                            > > >
                            > > >Common shielded wire may not be as good as properly connected
                            cat-5
                            > > >in this regard - common shielded wire usually offers less than
                            > 100% shielding.
                            > > >
                            > > >Jerry W4UK
                            > > >
                            > > >At 08:30 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote:
                            > > > >Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on
                            the
                            > > > >Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I
                            was
                            > > > >thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire
                            like is used
                            > > > >in commercial audio mic cable.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >Lee
                            > > > >KC4ART
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >------------------------------------
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                          • Jerry Flanders
                            How do you? It claims multi-camera support , but I can t get a clue how to make this happen. Is there a tutorial somewhere? Thanks Jerry W4UK
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                              How do you?

                              It claims "multi-camera support", but I can't get a clue how to make
                              this happen.

                              Is there a tutorial somewhere?

                              Thanks

                              Jerry W4UK
                            • Mike
                              You might be interested in my approach to keep the 23XX thermo/hydro unit powered - I picked up a Oregon Scientific STR938 solar unit from a surplus store -
                              Message 14 of 28 , Oct 7, 2009
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                                You might be interested in my approach to keep the 23XX thermo/hydro unit powered -
                                I picked up a Oregon Scientific STR938 solar unit from a surplus store - The STR938
                                unit has a solar panel, a Ni-MH battery and 2 regular back-up AA Alkaline batteries.

                                I wired the STR938 unit to the battery connections on the WS23XX therm-hydro unit
                                The output from the (STR938) internal RJ11 (6-pin) is 3.67v.

                                -Mike
                                >
                                >
                                > I think a quick search of this forum will give you lot´s of results of people having
                                > success replacing cables with shielded-twisted pair cable.
                                >
                                > On that note, I´ve being thinking of doing this myself. I´ve been plagued with invalid
                                > wind speed readings on my 2317. I´ve been using rechargeable batteries on mine.
                                > My batteries ran out this recently. After replacing them, I´ve had no erroneous
                                > readings since. Weak batteries may have been causing the majority of the bad
                                > readings. I may be switching to disposables soon. FYI
                                >
                                > From: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                                > [mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lratcliff lratcliff
                                > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:30 AM
                                > To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                                > Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                                > Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                                > thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
                                > in commercial audio mic cable.
                                >
                                > Lee
                                > KC4ART
                                >
                                >
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                              • Rob Reab
                                Actually I was just thinking about looking around for an affordable set up like you described. Thanks for the info! - Rob From:
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                                  Actually I was just thinking about looking around for an affordable set up like you described. Thanks for the info! - Rob

                                   

                                  From: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
                                  Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:57 AM
                                  To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors

                                   

                                   


                                  You might be interested in my approach to keep the 23XX thermo/hydro unit powered -
                                  I picked up a Oregon Scientific STR938 solar unit from a surplus store - The STR938
                                  unit has a solar panel, a Ni-MH battery and 2 regular back-up AA Alkaline batteries.

                                  I wired the STR938 unit to the battery connections on the WS23XX therm-hydro unit
                                  The output from the (STR938) internal RJ11 (6-pin) is 3.67v.

                                  -Mike

                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I think a quick search of this forum will give you lot´s of results of
                                  people having
                                  > success replacing cables with shielded-twisted pair cable.
                                  >
                                  > On that note, I´ve being thinking of doing this myself. I´ve been plagued
                                  with invalid
                                  > wind speed readings on my 2317. I´ve been using rechargeable batteries on
                                  mine.
                                  > My batteries ran out this recently. After replacing them, I´ve had no
                                  erroneous
                                  > readings since. Weak batteries may have been causing the majority of the
                                  bad
                                  > readings. I may be switching to disposables soon. FYI
                                  >
                                  > From: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                                  > [mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com]
                                  On Behalf Of lratcliff lratcliff
                                  > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:30 AM
                                  > To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                                  > Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                                  > thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
                                  > in commercial audio mic cable.
                                  >
                                  > Lee
                                  > KC4ART
                                  >
                                  >
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                                • Jerry Flanders
                                  Where did you get it? Price? Is the store on the internet? Jerry W4UK
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                                    Where did you get it? Price?

                                    Is the store on the internet?

                                    Jerry W4UK

                                    At 12:57 PM 10/7/2009, you wrote:

                                    >You might be interested in my approach to keep the 23XX thermo/hydro
                                    >unit powered -
                                    >I picked up a Oregon Scientific STR938 solar unit from a surplus
                                    >store - The STR938
                                    >unit has a solar panel, a Ni-MH battery and 2 regular back-up AA
                                    >Alkaline batteries.
                                    >
                                    >I wired the STR938 unit to the battery connections on the WS23XX
                                    >therm-hydro unit
                                    >The output from the (STR938) internal RJ11 (6-pin) is 3.67v.
                                    >
                                    >-Mike
                                  • Mike
                                    From www.surplusgizmos.com - I walked into their retail store on Oregon and saw the STR938. You might like to call them ( 503-439-1249) and see if they still
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                                      From www.surplusgizmos.com - I walked into their retail store on Oregon and saw the STR938. You might like to call them (503-439-1249) and see if they still have some in stock (make sure you ask for the STR928 - it's the one with the single solar panel) and will ship - purchase price $5.


                                      If you need the pin-out for the RJ11(6) power jack let me know.

                                      -Mike

                                      >
                                      > Where did you get it? Price?
                                      >
                                      > Is the store on the internet?
                                      >
                                      > Jerry W4UK
                                      >
                                      > At 12:57 PM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
                                      >
                                      > >You might be interested in my approach to keep the 23XX thermo/hydro
                                      > >unit powered -
                                      > >I picked up a Oregon Scientific STR938 solar unit from a surplus
                                      > >store - The STR938
                                      > >unit has a solar panel, a Ni-MH battery and 2 regular back-up AA
                                      > >Alkaline batteries.
                                      > >
                                      > >I wired the STR938 unit to the battery connections on the WS23XX
                                      > >therm-hydro unit
                                      > >The output from the (STR938) internal RJ11 (6-pin) is 3.67v.
                                      > >
                                      > >-Mike
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >

                                        
                                    • Mike
                                      Forgot to say - make sure you also ask for the base (swivel) mounting unit.
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                                        Forgot to say - make sure you also ask for the base (swivel) mounting unit.

                                        >
                                        > From www.surplusgizmos.com - I walked into their retail store on Oregon and saw the
                                        > STR938. You might like to call them (503-439-1249) and see if they still have some in stock
                                        > (make sure you ask for the STR928 - it's the one with the single solar panel) and will ship -
                                        > purchase price $5.
                                        >
                                        > If you need the pin-out for the RJ11(6) power jack let me know.
                                        >
                                        > -Mike
                                        >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Where did you get it? Price?
                                        > >
                                        > > Is the store on the internet?
                                        > >
                                        > > Jerry W4UK
                                        > >
                                        > > At 12:57 PM 10/7/2009, you wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > >You might be interested in my approach to keep the 23XX thermo/hydro
                                        > > >unit powered -
                                        > > >I picked up a Oregon Scientific STR938 solar unit from a surplus
                                        > > >store - The STR938
                                        > > >unit has a solar panel, a Ni-MH battery and 2 regular back-up AA
                                        > > >Alkaline batteries.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >I wired the STR938 unit to the battery connections on the WS23XX
                                        > > >therm-hydro unit
                                        > > >The output from the (STR938) internal RJ11 (6-pin) is 3.67v.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >-Mike
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                      • Greg
                                        I have one of these units extra. How would one go about wiring it up? (Wiring for dummies - me). Greg Whitehead Euchee, TN CWOP: DW0148 WU: KTNEUCHE3 and
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                                          I have one of these units extra.  How would one go about wiring it up?  (Wiring for dummies -> me).
                                           
                                           
                                          Greg Whitehead
                                          Euchee, TN
                                          CWOP:  DW0148
                                          WU:  KTNEUCHE3 and KTNTENMI2
                                          OS WMR968 WUHU
                                          WS-2315 WUHU
                                          CoCoRaHS:  TN-MS-1
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Mike
                                          Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:57 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors

                                           


                                          You might be interested in my approach to keep the 23XX thermo/hydro unit powered -
                                          I picked up a Oregon Scientific STR938 solar unit from a surplus store - The STR938
                                          unit has a solar panel, a Ni-MH battery and 2 regular back-up AA Alkaline batteries.

                                          I wired the STR938 unit to the battery connections on the WS23XX therm-hydro unit
                                          The output from the (STR938) internal RJ11 (6-pin) is 3.67v.

                                          -Mike
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > I think a quick search of this forum will give you lot´s of results of people having
                                          > success replacing cables with shielded-twisted pair cable.
                                          >
                                          > On that note, I´ve being thinking of doing this myself. I´ve been plagued with invalid
                                          > wind speed readings on my 2317. I´ve been using rechargeable batteries on mine.
                                          > My batteries ran out this recently. After replacing them, I´ve had no erroneous
                                          > readings since. Weak batteries may have been causing the majority of the bad
                                          > readings. I may be switching to disposables soon. FYI
                                          >
                                          > From: wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com
                                          > [mailto:wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of lratcliff lratcliff
                                          > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:30 AM
                                          > To: wuhu_software_ group@yahoogroup s.com
                                          > Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_ group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                                          > Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                                          > thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
                                          > in commercial audio mic cable.
                                          >
                                          > Lee
                                          > KC4ART
                                          >
                                          >
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                                        • Mike
                                          Here s what I did.... 1) get a blank 6-pin RJ11 (phone) connector from say Home Depot (comes in packs of ~25 I think). 2) get a RJ11 connector tool - or
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Oct 8, 2009
                                          Here's what I did....

                                          1) get a "blank 6-pin RJ11 (phone) connector from say Home Depot (comes in packs of
                                          ~25 I think).
                                          2) get a RJ11 connector tool - or borrow one.
                                          3) find at least a 2-wire phone cable (will be used as the power cable for the thermo
                                          unit, so length maybe important), cut off one end for now.
                                          4) strip cut-off end of cable and mount into 6-pin RJ11 connector using tool - use pins 1
                                          and 4 (see pic attached)
                                          5) cut off 2nd connector from cable (if there's one) - can't use it to connect to the
                                          thermo sensor as it will think it's now wired (not wireless)
                                          6) strip 2 wires from cable - noting which is + and - (as per RJ11 pin 1 = plus and pin 4 =
                                          minus.
                                          7) remove back cover of STR938
                                          8) connect new RJ11 connector to STR938 - see pic attached
                                          9) test there's voltage across the two stripped wires (~2 - 3+ volts) - if nothing then
                                          the connection to the RJ11 connector could be the issue (rebuild it), or the STR938 unit
                                          is dead - try allowing the solar to recharge the battery (as few hours).
                                          10) if good connection and power then remount back cover of STR938
                                          11) remove cover from WS23xx thermo unit.
                                          12) remove batteries from WS23xx thermo unit (for now).
                                          13) slide cable wires into a slot by battery terminals (at top of unit) - wires must
                                          physically mate/connect with the terminals - better solution would be to solder the
                                          wires to these terminals.
                                          14) reinsert batteries but add a insulator to one of the batteries so that it's not used -
                                          you're using the batteries to keep the cable connections mated.

                                          Note: thermo unit cover won't mate now - could cut a hole and pass the cable through,
                                          or cover with PVC tape.

                                          Any questions please let me know.

                                          -Mike
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > I have one of these units extra. How would one go about wiring it up? (Wiring for dummies ->
                                          > me).
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Greg Whitehead
                                          > Euchee, TN
                                          > CWOP: DW0148
                                          > WU: KTNEUCHE3 and KTNTENMI2
                                          > OS WMR968 WUHU
                                          > WS-2315 WUHU
                                          > CoCoRaHS: TN-MS-1
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: Mike
                                          > To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:57 PM
                                          > Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > You might be interested in my approach to keep the 23XX thermo/hydro unit powered -
                                          > I picked up a Oregon Scientific STR938 solar unit from a surplus store - The STR938
                                          > unit has a solar panel, a Ni-MH battery and 2 regular back-up AA Alkaline batteries.
                                          >
                                          > I wired the STR938 unit to the battery connections on the WS23XX therm-hydro unit
                                          > The output from the (STR938) internal RJ11 (6-pin) is 3.67v.
                                          >
                                          > -Mike
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > I think a quick search of this forum will give you lot´s of results of people having
                                          > > success replacing cables with shielded-twisted pair cable.
                                          > >
                                          > > On that note, I´ve being thinking of doing this myself. I´ve been plagued with invalid
                                          > > wind speed readings on my 2317. I´ve been using rechargeable batteries on mine.
                                          > > My batteries ran out this recently. After replacing them, I´ve had no erroneous
                                          > > readings since. Weak batteries may have been causing the majority of the bad
                                          > > readings. I may be switching to disposables soon. FYI
                                          > >
                                          > > From: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > [mailto:wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lratcliff lratcliff
                                          > > Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:30 AM
                                          > > To: wuhu_software_group@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Lacrosse cables and sensors
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Has anyone tried changing out the cables on the sencors on the
                                          > > Lacrosse gear with something a little more imune to RF? I was
                                          > > thinking of something like a shielded twin conductor wire like is used
                                          > > in commercial audio mic cable.
                                          > >
                                          > > Lee
                                          > > KC4ART
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > No virus found in this incoming message.
                                          > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
                                          > > Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2414 - Release Date: 10/04/09 18:42:00
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
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