4888Re: Tornados sweep through central Florida in the middle of the night.
- Feb 2, 2007Mark,
Most of the people I know that have Broadband leave their computers
on 24/7. I tried breaking my girlfriend of the habbit, she refuses to
power it down at night.
If you are one of those people that always shuts down at night, if
you know that you have a weather application that might alert you
when a tornado is on the ground because bad weather might be
approaching, that might be an incentive to leave it on.
In the future, it seems to me that most homes will have a central
computer that will be running 24x7. That is the case already for many
I like the telephone scheme as well. The distinctive ring feature
offered by some carriers seems like an ideal way to do this. It seems
that there must be issues with investment or infrastructure otherwise
communities would have already done it.
Or perhaps it is a patent issue...
--- In email@example.com, "Mark Wyman" <mark@...>
> It would be all fine and dandy if everyone left their computers
> problem is most people turn it on to check Email, do a few things,and turn
> it off again. People like us who have weather stations and PCenthusiasts
> are about the only ones who do leave things running. Not to mentionif I
> know I will have thunderstorms, I yank all cables to the PC. Istill think
> phone alerts are very practical as the phone service is usuallylast to go
> with land-lines. The tough part would be how to regulate when analert event
> was to occur, when a storm is right on the doorstep, or still 15minutes
> away. Always the problem when dealing with people who will beticked off
> when they are awoken in the night and then the storm fizzles. Theyunplug
> the phone and go back to sleep.Steremberg
> From: firstname.lastname@example.org
> [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:06 PMcentral
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Re: [wuhu_software_group] Re: Tornados sweep through
> Florida in the middle of the night.by zipcode
> We have an email alert product right now that you can sign up for
> ($10/year or free to weather station owners).but I
> Ed at AmbientWeather has a desktop app that alerts you in the tray,
> don't think it is quite what we want.the
> We have all the data, we are just missing a scalable way to deliver
> alerts, and the small client application to start playing the localNWS
> weather feed, as well as putting up some alert data (plus it couldto do the
> optionally run an external program that could fire off x-10, etc).
> If someone wants to build the client application, we will be happy
> heavy lifting in the back end.overhead
> Using UDP is tricky - it is unreliable (TCP doesn't have that much
> if we implement it carefully with custom software) and we can'treally
> easily send UDP packets from wunderground to anyone's computer athome since
> 99% of them are behind a firewall router. We could use UPNP fromthe client
> and try to open a hole in the firewall (like MSN messenger andothers) but
> it doesn't work on all the routers I have.. Just some of them. Mybellsouth
> modem doesn't support it. my linksys router does.like
> I was hoping to send alerts of IM but I haven't built it yet, seems
> that might be easy / good.feeds
> On 2/2/07, wuhu_software <wuhu_software@ <mailto:wuhu_software@...>
> yahoo.com> wrote:
> A few weeks ago I was attempting to find various real-time NWS
> that are available to the general public. I found three feeds thatsome
> are available to the pulic. One is free, the other requires a one
> time $75 fee, and I am not sure about the 3rd (I heard that it is
> expensive). I am not sure which feeds you guys are subscribed to.
> In any case, I was exchanging emails with Art Kraus looking for
> simple method to receive all SAME alerts that are active throughoutover
> the U.S. Apparently there is no such mechanism at the moment. He
> thought this might be something that is developed over the next few
> The SAME alerts may be fed over the EMWIN network, although it is
> difficult to find protocol information. They might also be sent
> the NWS Wire Service or NOAAPORT, I am not sure. That might requirebe
> some parsing to decode the SAME alerts from the other data.
> If you guys at WU could parse the NWS streams to decode alerts, you
> could develop an efficient polling and dissemination protocol, this
> could open up many possibilities. The key to any such system would
> responsiveness without wasting a ton of bandwidth.if
> As an example, if a client application could send WU a poll packet
> that contains a list of FIP and event codes, WU could repond with a
> packet that describes a list of matching FIP codes and event codes
> those events are active.and
> These packets could be kept small and fast with the use of UDP
> packets. Perhaps the clients register themselves one time with WU
> WU will send out alerts when they become active. A simple watchdogor
> packet could be used to detect Internet failures on the client side.
> On the client side, once the client receives a packet from WU and
> sees matching FIP and alert codes, that is all it really needs to
> begin alerting operations. It could then perform audio alerting,
> reading and displaying the NWS XML based warning information (based
> on the active FIP code), and possibily take other user defined
> actions including prompting the user to stream live audio.
> If such a service were open to developers, any number of client
> applications could be developed to take advantage of such a system.
> You could have stand alone applications (perhaps on the toolbar),
> integration with existing appications (weather apps, homeautomation
> systems, email and pager alert systems).that
> So basically, it seems that all of the pieces could be put together
> easily. The main problem seems to be finding a real-time stream
> contains all SAME alerts (or that can be parsed from the stream),and
> a central server to disseminate that data in real-time using anto
> efficient mecahnism to deliver the encoded data.
> Here is a breakdown of the SAME alerts:
> Here are the Internet feeds that I found.
> 1) Emergency Managers Weather Information Network. It is available
> the public. I am still trying to dig up information on theprotocol.
> It is not well documented. This data is sent several ways,satellite,
> VHF radio, and the Internet. This data contains text and graphicsreal
> mixed together. There are 3 software packages for sale that
> understand how to process the protocol, none are free.
> 2) NOAA Weather Wire Service. Although the stream of data is
> controlled by one company, there is one time $75 registration fee.
> Since you can telnet in to it, I am assuming it is just text. It
> might be different using the satellite links, I am not sure. This
> might be used to capture the events as they are put out on the wire
> but it may be more work as the alerts/warnings are not encoded.
> 3) The NOAAPORT broadcast system provides a one-way broadcast
> communication of NOAA environmental data and information in near-
> time to NOAA and external users. This broadcast is implemented by aband.
> commercial provider of satellite communications utilizing the C-
> It's primary purpose is for providing internal communicationswithin
> the National Weather Service and for providing forecasts, warningsTV,
> and other products to the mass media (newspapers, radio stations,
> etc.), emergency management agencies, and private weather services.understand
> --- In wuhu_software_ <mailto:wuhu_software_group%40yahoogroups.com>
> email@example.com, "Alan Steremberg"
> <alans@> wrote:
> > I think we need to make a desktop of flash widget that we can
> trigger with
> > an alert and start the audio playing. I also spoke to the sonos
> people about
> > integrating it into their system, but they didn't really
> > emergency aspect yet. ie: why people would want their radio to
> > switch from pretty music to weather radio.
> > Alan
> > On 2/2/07, Mark Wyman <mark@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I always wondered about having telephones linked into the
> > > network, so your phone would emit a specialized ring during
> > > emergencies like this. It would be driven by law from the40yahoogroups.com>
> telephone company,
> > > who could target just the areas of concern. Since these days
> everyone has a
> > > phone, and not many have weather radios, it would be an ideal
> solution. Of
> > > course they would probably tack on another $2 a month for this
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > *From:* wuhu_software_ <mailto:wuhu_software_group%
> firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:40yahoogroups.com>
> > > wuhu_software_ <mailto:wuhu_software_group%40yahoogroups.com>
> email@example.com] *On Behalf Of *wuhu_software
> > > *Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2007 8:35 AM
> > > *To:* wuhu_software_ <mailto:wuhu_software_group%
> > > *Subject:* [wuhu_software_group] Tornados sweep through central
> Florida in
> > > the middle of the night.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was just watching the news this morning about the tornados
> > > through central Florida. The current estimate is that at least
> one was
> > > an F2 tornado. I guess 1988 was the last time one swept through
> > > area in the middle of the night (so the news says).
> > >
> > > Looks like a real mess over by New Smyrna (one of my favorite
> spots in
> > > Flordia, been there many times visting family).
> > >
> > > On the news, they discussed the real need for weather radios to
> > > people up in the middle of the night. Especially in Florida.
> > >
> > > Interestingly, the two Orlando WU audio streams are up and
> running. I
> > > am not sure if they were up when the alerts went out, but I am
> > > that they were.
> > >
> > > It sure would be nice to have the WU SAME radios on the desktop.
> > >
> > > Even if the audio streams do go down, the virtual radio could
> still get
> > > a users attention by playing alert sounds, alert text, or even
> > > activating alert devices (say X10 devices).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > Alan Steremberg
> > Weather Underground
> > 415-543-5022 x 103
> > http://www.wundergr <http://www.wunderground.com> ound.com
> Alan Steremberg
> Weather Underground
> 415-543-5022 x 103
> http://www.wundergr <http://www.wunderground.com> ound.com
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