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  • Bill W5WVO
    Here is the proposed rule set for the new distance-scored WSJT Sprint. As you will see, there are a few new wrinkles here that I think will be fun. Any
    Message 1 of 22 , Feb 18, 2009
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      Here is the proposed rule set for the new distance-scored WSJT
      Sprint. As you will see, there are a few new wrinkles here that I
      think will be fun. Any questions or concerns, please post them to
      the WSJT group, NOT to me privately. Private communications
      contribute nothing to an open process.

      ------------------------

      PROPOSED RULES FOR WSJT SPRINTS

      Under these rules, the first WSJT Sprint will be held Saturday
      morning, February 28.

      1. The WSJT Sprints are held the fourth Saturday morning of each
      month January through April (for starters) as an alternative to
      the usual Random Hour sessions. To simplify timing and provide an
      additional strategy factor, an entrant can compete in the Sprint
      during any uninterrupted 4-hour period between 4 AM and Noon
      Saturday morning, local time.

      2. All QSOs must be made using a WSJT transmission mode. Any
      version of WSJT and the transmission modes it supports can be
      used. Any terrestrial propagation mode available can be used (no
      EME). There is no minimum distance, no restriction to meteor
      scatter, and no proscription of working adjacent grid squares.
      Anybody, anywhere, any terrestrial propagation -- as long as it's
      WSJT digital on 6 or 2 meters.

      3. PJ can be used in accordance with normal PJ QSO standards. Any
      observed misuse of PJ should be reported to the Sprint
      coordinator. Making random contacts and tail-ending is encouraged
      but accrue no special multipliers or bonus points.

      4. WSJT message format.

      4(a). The WSJT message format is NA REPORTS. (For terrestrial
      JT65, use the default EME grid square format.

      4(b). Use of the appended message format ("RH messages") is
      mandatory for any QSO made on a calling frequency. Use of Sh Msgs
      on calling frequencies invalidates the QSO. FSK441 Sh Msgs may be
      used if desired for QSOs OFF the calling frequencies.

      5. Scoring.

      5(a). Competition classes will be 6 Meters Only, 2 Meters Only,
      and Combined. For Combined class, a station worked on both bands
      counts as a separate QSO on each band.

      5(b). Each QSO is assigned a points value equivalent to the ground
      distance in miles between the stations, as computed by the WSJT
      software (only).* To keep it simple for now, there are no other
      multipliers (band, power, WSJT transmission mode, propagation
      mode, random vs. assisted, etc). The final score in points is
      therefore simply the sum of all miles worked during the Sprint
      period on the band(s) indicated by the competition class
      specified.

      6. Reporting.

      6(a). Each station reporting a score must choose and report which
      competition class is being entered. A station can work QSOs on
      both bands and then decide which competition class to report
      scores for after the event is over; the mere fact of working
      stations on both bands does not require one to enter the Combined
      class. However, if entering in 6 Meter Only or 2 Meter Only class,
      the points scored on the other band do not count and must not be
      reported.

      6(b). Example report:

      From WA5UFH, COMBINED

      2M:
      W0IOH 821
      KS7S 830
      2M Score: 1,651

      6M:
      KS7S 830
      6M Score: 830

      COMBINED SCORE: 2,481

      7. Sprint coordinator is Bill, W5WVO. Send reports of Sprint
      scoring as shown above to Bill W5WVO instead of to Dave WA5DJJ.

      * Regarding QSO distance: It may occur from time to time that a
      station you work in the Sprint is a newbie and is not in your
      CALL3.TXT file. It may also occur that you have maintained the
      practice of entering new stations into WSJT using only the
      four-character grid square, and therefore have very few calls in
      your database with six-character grid locators. IN EITHER CASE you
      must enter the six-character grid square into WSJT in order to get
      a valid distance computation. This can be done at any time,
      including AFTER THE SPRINT IS OVER. The best source of accurate
      six-character grid locators is the HAMCALL database at
      http://www.hamcall.net It is the most accurate because their
      automated grid locator algorithm looks for the actual street
      address, not just the ZIP code as do other databases like QRZ.
      (While you're at it, make sure your own grid square in WSJT is
      correct!) If you are really diligent, you can even look up any
      such stations on a GPS map that shows grid locators, such as the
      Garmin MapSource map sets. If you feel you are unable to determine
      the grid locator of any station you work, indicate this when you
      send in your score to me and I'll find it for you.


      Bill W5WVO
    • Jerry Siegmund
      Bill.. You just need the Reports in an e-mail format.. not the usual Cabrillo Type I take it..? Jerry VE6CPP DN39or
      Message 2 of 22 , Feb 18, 2009
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        Bill.. You just need the Reports in an e-mail format.. not the usual Cabrillo Type I take it..?
        Jerry VE6CPP
        DN39or

        Bill W5WVO wrote:

        Here is the proposed rule set for the new distance-scored WSJT
        Sprint. As you will see, there are a few new wrinkles here that I
        think will be fun. Any questions or concerns, please post them to
        the WSJT group, NOT to me privately. Private communications
        contribute nothing to an open process.

        ------------ --------- ---

        PROPOSED RULES FOR WSJT SPRINTS

        Under these rules, the first WSJT Sprint will be held Saturday
        morning, February 28.

        1. The WSJT Sprints are held the fourth Saturday morning of each
        month January through April (for starters) as an alternative to
        the usual Random Hour sessions. To simplify timing and provide an
        additional strategy factor, an entrant can compete in the Sprint
        during any uninterrupted 4-hour period between 4 AM and Noon
        Saturday morning, local time.

        2. All QSOs must be made using a WSJT transmission mode. Any
        version of WSJT and the transmission modes it supports can be
        used. Any terrestrial propagation mode available can be used (no
        EME). There is no minimum distance, no restriction to meteor
        scatter, and no proscription of working adjacent grid squares.
        Anybody, anywhere, any terrestrial propagation -- as long as it's
        WSJT digital on 6 or 2 meters.

        3. PJ can be used in accordance with normal PJ QSO standards. Any
        observed misuse of PJ should be reported to the Sprint
        coordinator. Making random contacts and tail-ending is encouraged
        but accrue no special multipliers or bonus points.

        4. WSJT message format.

        4(a). The WSJT message format is NA REPORTS. (For terrestrial
        JT65, use the default EME grid square format.

        4(b). Use of the appended message format ("RH messages") is
        mandatory for any QSO made on a calling frequency. Use of Sh Msgs
        on calling frequencies invalidates the QSO. FSK441 Sh Msgs may be
        used if desired for QSOs OFF the calling frequencies.

        5. Scoring.

        5(a). Competition classes will be 6 Meters Only, 2 Meters Only,
        and Combined. For Combined class, a station worked on both bands
        counts as a separate QSO on each band.

        5(b). Each QSO is assigned a points value equivalent to the ground
        distance in miles between the stations, as computed by the WSJT
        software (only).* To keep it simple for now, there are no other
        multipliers (band, power, WSJT transmission mode, propagation
        mode, random vs. assisted, etc). The final score in points is
        therefore simply the sum of all miles worked during the Sprint
        period on the band(s) indicated by the competition class
        specified.

        6. Reporting.

        6(a). Each station reporting a score must choose and report which
        competition class is being entered. A station can work QSOs on
        both bands and then decide which competition class to report
        scores for after the event is over; the mere fact of working
        stations on both bands does not require one to enter the Combined
        class. However, if entering in 6 Meter Only or 2 Meter Only class,
        the points scored on the other band do not count and must not be
        reported.

        6(b). Example report:

        >From WA5UFH, COMBINED

        2M:
        W0IOH 821
        KS7S 830
        2M Score: 1,651

        6M:
        KS7S 830
        6M Score: 830

        COMBINED SCORE: 2,481

        7. Sprint coordinator is Bill, W5WVO. Send reports of Sprint
        scoring as shown above to Bill W5WVO instead of to Dave WA5DJJ.

        * Regarding QSO distance: It may occur from time to time that a
        station you work in the Sprint is a newbie and is not in your
        CALL3.TXT file. It may also occur that you have maintained the
        practice of entering new stations into WSJT using only the
        four-character grid square, and therefore have very few calls in
        your database with six-character grid locators. IN EITHER CASE you
        must enter the six-character grid square into WSJT in order to get
        a valid distance computation. This can be done at any time,
        including AFTER THE SPRINT IS OVER. The best source of accurate
        six-character grid locators is the HAMCALL database at
        http://www.hamcall. net. It is the most accurate because their
        automated grid locator algorithm looks for the actual street
        address, not just the ZIP code as do other databases like QRZ.
        (While you're at it, make sure your own grid square in WSJT is
        correct!) If you are really diligent, you can even look up any
        such stations on a GPS map that shows grid locators, such as the
        Garmin MapSource map sets. If you feel you are unable to determine
        the grid locator of any station you work, indicate this when you
        send in your score to me and I'll find it for you.

        Bill W5WVO

      • Jim Kennedy
        Bill, The rules look good. Lets Rock N Roll. on the 28th. Thanks for your efforts Bill and thanks to the others for their input. Jim W6OUU DN22sn ... From:
        Message 3 of 22 , Feb 18, 2009
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          Bill, The rules look good. Lets Rock N’ Roll. on the 28th. Thanks for your efforts Bill and thanks to the others for their input.

           

          Jim W6OUU DN22sn

           

          -----Original Message-----
          From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill W5WVO
          Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:21 PM
          To: [WSJTGROUP]
          Subject: [wsjtgroup] WSJT Sprints proposed rules

           

          Here is the proposed rule set for the new distance-scored WSJT
          Sprint. As you will see, there are a few new wrinkles here that I
          think will be fun. Any questions or concerns, please post them to
          the WSJT group, NOT to me privately. Private communications
          contribute nothing to an open process.

          ------------ --------- ---

          PROPOSED RULES FOR WSJT SPRINTS

          Under these rules, the first WSJT Sprint will be held Saturday
          morning, February 28.

          1. The WSJT Sprints are held the fourth Saturday morning of each
          month January through April (for starters) as an alternative to
          the usual Random Hour sessions. To simplify timing and provide an
          additional strategy factor, an entrant can compete in the Sprint
          during any uninterrupted 4-hour period between 4 AM and Noon
          Saturday morning, local time.

          2. All QSOs must be made using a WSJT transmission mode. Any
          version of WSJT and the transmission modes it supports can be
          used. Any terrestrial propagation mode available can be used (no
          EME). There is no minimum distance, no restriction to meteor
          scatter, and no proscription of working adjacent grid squares.
          Anybody, anywhere, any terrestrial propagation -- as long as it's
          WSJT digital on 6 or 2 meters.

          3. PJ can be used in accordance with normal PJ QSO standards. Any
          observed misuse of PJ should be reported to the Sprint
          coordinator. Making random contacts and tail-ending is encouraged
          but accrue no special multipliers or bonus points.

          4. WSJT message format.

          4(a). The WSJT message format is NA REPORTS. (For terrestrial
          JT65, use the default EME grid square format.

          4(b). Use of the appended message format ("RH messages") is
          mandatory for any QSO made on a calling frequency. Use of Sh Msgs
          on calling frequencies invalidates the QSO. FSK441 Sh Msgs may be
          used if desired for QSOs OFF the calling frequencies.

          5. Scoring.

          5(a). Competition classes will be 6 Meters Only, 2 Meters Only,
          and Combined. For Combined class, a station worked on both bands
          counts as a separate QSO on each band.

          5(b). Each QSO is assigned a points value equivalent to the ground
          distance in miles between the stations, as computed by the WSJT
          software (only).* To keep it simple for now, there are no other
          multipliers (band, power, WSJT transmission mode, propagation
          mode, random vs. assisted, etc). The final score in points is
          therefore simply the sum of all miles worked during the Sprint
          period on the band(s) indicated by the competition class
          specified.

          6. Reporting.

          6(a). Each station reporting a score must choose and report which
          competition class is being entered. A station can work QSOs on
          both bands and then decide which competition class to report
          scores for after the event is over; the mere fact of working
          stations on both bands does not require one to enter the Combined
          class. However, if entering in 6 Meter Only or 2 Meter Only class,
          the points scored on the other band do not count and must not be
          reported.

          6(b). Example report:

          From WA5UFH, COMBINED

          2M:
          W0IOH 821
          KS7S 830
          2M Score: 1,651

          6M:
          KS7S 830
          6M Score: 830

          COMBINED SCORE: 2,481

          7. Sprint coordinator is Bill, W5WVO. Send reports of Sprint
          scoring as shown above to Bill W5WVO instead of to Dave WA5DJJ.

          * Regarding QSO distance: It may occur from time to time that a
          station you work in the Sprint is a newbie and is not in your
          CALL3.TXT file. It may also occur that you have maintained the
          practice of entering new stations into WSJT using only the
          four-character grid square, and therefore have very few calls in
          your database with six-character grid locators. IN EITHER CASE you
          must enter the six-character grid square into WSJT in order to get
          a valid distance computation. This can be done at any time,
          including AFTER THE SPRINT IS OVER. The best source of accurate
          six-character grid locators is the HAMCALL database at
          http://www.hamcall. net. It is the most accurate because their
          automated grid locator algorithm looks for the actual street
          address, not just the ZIP code as do other databases like QRZ.
          (While you're at it, make sure your own grid square in WSJT is
          correct!) If you are really diligent, you can even look up any
          such stations on a GPS map that shows grid locators, such as the
          Garmin MapSource map sets. If you feel you are unable to determine
          the grid locator of any station you work, indicate this when you
          send in your score to me and I'll find it for you.

          Bill W5WVO

        • WY5R
          Bill, and the group, Here is a good source to find 6 character Grids: http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php Zoom in and double click on the map, and
          Message 4 of 22 , Feb 18, 2009
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            Bill, and the group,

             

            Here is a good source to find 6 character Grids:

             

            http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php

             

            Zoom in and double click on the map, and you will get latitude, longitude and 6 character grid.

             

            73’s to all

            de WY5R – KD

             

             

             

            From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill W5WVO
            Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:21 PM
            To: [WSJTGROUP]
            Subject: [wsjtgroup] WSJT Sprints proposed rules

             

            Here is the proposed rule set for the new distance-scored WSJT
            Sprint. As you will see, there are a few new wrinkles here that I
            think will be fun. Any questions or concerns, please post them to
            the WSJT group, NOT to me privately. Private communications
            contribute nothing to an open process.

            ------------------------

            PROPOSED RULES FOR WSJT SPRINTS

            Under these rules, the first WSJT Sprint will be held Saturday
            morning, February 28.

            1. The WSJT Sprints are held the fourth Saturday morning of each
            month January through April (for starters) as an alternative to
            the usual Random Hour sessions. To simplify timing and provide an
            additional strategy factor, an entrant can compete in the Sprint
            during any uninterrupted 4-hour period between 4 AM and Noon
            Saturday morning, local time.

            2. All QSOs must be made using a WSJT transmission mode. Any
            version of WSJT and the transmission modes it supports can be
            used. Any terrestrial propagation mode available can be used (no
            EME). There is no minimum distance, no restriction to meteor
            scatter, and no proscription of working adjacent grid squares.
            Anybody, anywhere, any terrestrial propagation -- as long as it's
            WSJT digital on 6 or 2 meters.

            3. PJ can be used in accordance with normal PJ QSO standards. Any
            observed misuse of PJ should be reported to the Sprint
            coordinator. Making random contacts and tail-ending is encouraged
            but accrue no special multipliers or bonus points.

            4. WSJT message format.

            4(a). The WSJT message format is NA REPORTS. (For terrestrial
            JT65, use the default EME grid square format.

            4(b). Use of the appended message format ("RH messages") is
            mandatory for any QSO made on a calling frequency. Use of Sh Msgs
            on calling frequencies invalidates the QSO. FSK441 Sh Msgs may be
            used if desired for QSOs OFF the calling frequencies.

            5. Scoring.

            5(a). Competition classes will be 6 Meters Only, 2 Meters Only,
            and Combined. For Combined class, a station worked on both bands
            counts as a separate QSO on each band.

            5(b). Each QSO is assigned a points value equivalent to the ground
            distance in miles between the stations, as computed by the WSJT
            software (only).* To keep it simple for now, there are no other
            multipliers (band, power, WSJT transmission mode, propagation
            mode, random vs. assisted, etc). The final score in points is
            therefore simply the sum of all miles worked during the Sprint
            period on the band(s) indicated by the competition class
            specified.

            6. Reporting.

            6(a). Each station reporting a score must choose and report which
            competition class is being entered. A station can work QSOs on
            both bands and then decide which competition class to report
            scores for after the event is over; the mere fact of working
            stations on both bands does not require one to enter the Combined
            class. However, if entering in 6 Meter Only or 2 Meter Only class,
            the points scored on the other band do not count and must not be
            reported.

            6(b). Example report:

            From WA5UFH, COMBINED

            2M:
            W0IOH 821
            KS7S 830
            2M Score: 1,651

            6M:
            KS7S 830
            6M Score: 830

            COMBINED SCORE: 2,481

            7. Sprint coordinator is Bill, W5WVO. Send reports of Sprint
            scoring as shown above to Bill W5WVO instead of to Dave WA5DJJ.

            * Regarding QSO distance: It may occur from time to time that a
            station you work in the Sprint is a newbie and is not in your
            CALL3.TXT file. It may also occur that you have maintained the
            practice of entering new stations into WSJT using only the
            four-character grid square, and therefore have very few calls in
            your database with six-character grid locators. IN EITHER CASE you
            must enter the six-character grid square into WSJT in order to get
            a valid distance computation. This can be done at any time,
            including AFTER THE SPRINT IS OVER. The best source of accurate
            six-character grid locators is the HAMCALL database at
            http://www.hamcall.net. It is the most accurate because their
            automated grid locator algorithm looks for the actual street
            address, not just the ZIP code as do other databases like QRZ.
            (While you're at it, make sure your own grid square in WSJT is
            correct!) If you are really diligent, you can even look up any
            such stations on a GPS map that shows grid locators, such as the
            Garmin MapSource map sets. If you feel you are unable to determine
            the grid locator of any station you work, indicate this when you
            send in your score to me and I'll find it for you.

            Bill W5WVO

          • kevin kaufhold
            Bill, we seem to be on parallel tracks with you thinking through distance efforts for WSJT, and myself recently starting a working group to think through
            Message 5 of 22 , Feb 18, 2009
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              Bill, we seem to be on parallel tracks with you thinking through distance efforts for WSJT, and myself recently starting a working group to think through distance based methods for other VHF contests.
               
              Can I post your rules to the yahoo user's group "VHFDistanceScoring"? we have collected well over 20 contest rules that have used distance measurements, many in EU and Australia. 
               
               
              Kevin
              W9GKA
               


              --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Bill W5WVO <w5wvo@...> wrote:
              From: Bill W5WVO <w5wvo@...>
              Subject: [wsjtgroup] WSJT Sprints proposed rules
              To: "[WSJTGROUP]" <wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com>
              Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 5:20 PM

              Here is the proposed rule set for the new distance-scored WSJT
              Sprint. As you will see, there are a few new wrinkles here that I
              think will be fun. Any questions or concerns, please post them to
              the WSJT group, NOT to me privately. Private communications
              contribute nothing to an open process.

              ------------ --------- ---

              PROPOSED RULES FOR WSJT SPRINTS

              Under these rules, the first WSJT Sprint will be held Saturday
              morning, February 28.

              1. The WSJT Sprints are held the fourth Saturday morning of each
              month January through April (for starters) as an alternative to
              the usual Random Hour sessions. To simplify timing and provide an
              additional strategy factor, an entrant can compete in the Sprint
              during any uninterrupted 4-hour period between 4 AM and Noon
              Saturday morning, local time.

              2. All QSOs must be made using a WSJT transmission mode. Any
              version of WSJT and the transmission modes it supports can be
              used. Any terrestrial propagation mode available can be used (no
              EME). There is no minimum distance, no restriction to meteor
              scatter, and no proscription of working adjacent grid squares.
              Anybody, anywhere, any terrestrial propagation -- as long as it's
              WSJT digital on 6 or 2 meters.

              3. PJ can be used in accordance with normal PJ QSO standards. Any
              observed misuse of PJ should be reported to the Sprint
              coordinator. Making random contacts and tail-ending is encouraged
              but accrue no special multipliers or bonus points.

              4. WSJT message format.

              4(a). The WSJT message format is NA REPORTS. (For terrestrial
              JT65, use the default EME grid square format.

              4(b). Use of the appended message format ("RH messages") is
              mandatory for any QSO made on a calling frequency. Use of Sh Msgs
              on calling frequencies invalidates the QSO. FSK441 Sh Msgs may be
              used if desired for QSOs OFF the calling frequencies.

              5. Scoring.

              5(a). Competition classes will be 6 Meters Only, 2 Meters Only,
              and Combined. For Combined class, a station worked on both bands
              counts as a separate QSO on each band.

              5(b). Each QSO is assigned a points value equivalent to the ground
              distance in miles between the stations, as computed by the WSJT
              software (only).* To keep it simple for now, there are no other
              multipliers (band, power, WSJT transmission mode, propagation
              mode, random vs. assisted, etc). The final score in points is
              therefore simply the sum of all miles worked during the Sprint
              period on the band(s) indicated by the competition class
              specified.

              6. Reporting.

              6(a). Each station reporting a score must choose and report which
              competition class is being entered. A station can work QSOs on
              both bands and then decide which competition class to report
              scores for after the event is over; the mere fact of working
              stations on both bands does not require one to enter the Combined
              class. However, if entering in 6 Meter Only or 2 Meter Only class,
              the points scored on the other band do not count and must not be
              reported.

              6(b). Example report:

              From WA5UFH, COMBINED

              2M:
              W0IOH 821
              KS7S 830
              2M Score: 1,651

              6M:
              KS7S 830
              6M Score: 830

              COMBINED SCORE: 2,481

              7. Sprint coordinator is Bill, W5WVO. Send reports of Sprint
              scoring as shown above to Bill W5WVO instead of to Dave WA5DJJ.

              * Regarding QSO distance: It may occur from time to time that a
              station you work in the Sprint is a newbie and is not in your
              CALL3.TXT file. It may also occur that you have maintained the
              practice of entering new stations into WSJT using only the
              four-character grid square, and therefore have very few calls in
              your database with six-character grid locators. IN EITHER CASE you
              must enter the six-character grid square into WSJT in order to get
              a valid distance computation. This can be done at any time,
              including AFTER THE SPRINT IS OVER. The best source of accurate
              six-character grid locators is the HAMCALL database at
              http://www.hamcall. net. It is the most accurate because their
              automated grid locator algorithm looks for the actual street
              address, not just the ZIP code as do other databases like QRZ.
              (While you're at it, make sure your own grid square in WSJT is
              correct!) If you are really diligent, you can even look up any
              such stations on a GPS map that shows grid locators, such as the
              Garmin MapSource map sets. If you feel you are unable to determine
              the grid locator of any station you work, indicate this when you
              send in your score to me and I'll find it for you.

              Bill W5WVO


            • Bill W5WVO
              Yes, simple email reports, just like in RH. Bill ... From: Jerry Siegmund To: Bill W5WVO Cc: [WSJTGROUP] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:46 PM Subject:
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                Yes, simple email reports, just like in RH.
                Bill
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:46 PM
                Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                Bill.. You just need the Reports in an e-mail format.. not the usual Cabrillo Type I take it..?
                Jerry VE6CPP
                DN39or

                Bill W5WVO wrote:

                Here is the proposed rule set for the new distance-scored WSJT
                Sprint. As you will see, there are a few new wrinkles here that I
                think will be fun. Any questions or concerns, please post them to
                the WSJT group, NOT to me privately. Private communications
                contribute nothing to an open process.

                ------------ --------- ---

                PROPOSED RULES FOR WSJT SPRINTS

                Under these rules, the first WSJT Sprint will be held Saturday
                morning, February 28.

                1. The WSJT Sprints are held the fourth Saturday morning of each
                month January through April (for starters) as an alternative to
                the usual Random Hour sessions. To simplify timing and provide an
                additional strategy factor, an entrant can compete in the Sprint
                during any uninterrupted 4-hour period between 4 AM and Noon
                Saturday morning, local time.

                2. All QSOs must be made using a WSJT transmission mode. Any
                version of WSJT and the transmission modes it supports can be
                used. Any terrestrial propagation mode available can be used (no
                EME). There is no minimum distance, no restriction to meteor
                scatter, and no proscription of working adjacent grid squares.
                Anybody, anywhere, any terrestrial propagation -- as long as it's
                WSJT digital on 6 or 2 meters.

                3. PJ can be used in accordance with normal PJ QSO standards. Any
                observed misuse of PJ should be reported to the Sprint
                coordinator. Making random contacts and tail-ending is encouraged
                but accrue no special multipliers or bonus points.

                4. WSJT message format.

                4(a). The WSJT message format is NA REPORTS. (For terrestrial
                JT65, use the default EME grid square format.

                4(b). Use of the appended message format ("RH messages") is
                mandatory for any QSO made on a calling frequency. Use of Sh Msgs
                on calling frequencies invalidates the QSO. FSK441 Sh Msgs may be
                used if desired for QSOs OFF the calling frequencies.

                5. Scoring.

                5(a). Competition classes will be 6 Meters Only, 2 Meters Only,
                and Combined. For Combined class, a station worked on both bands
                counts as a separate QSO on each band.

                5(b). Each QSO is assigned a points value equivalent to the ground
                distance in miles between the stations, as computed by the WSJT
                software (only).* To keep it simple for now, there are no other
                multipliers (band, power, WSJT transmission mode, propagation
                mode, random vs. assisted, etc). The final score in points is
                therefore simply the sum of all miles worked during the Sprint
                period on the band(s) indicated by the competition class
                specified.

                6. Reporting.

                6(a). Each station reporting a score must choose and report which
                competition class is being entered. A station can work QSOs on
                both bands and then decide which competition class to report
                scores for after the event is over; the mere fact of working
                stations on both bands does not require one to enter the Combined
                class. However, if entering in 6 Meter Only or 2 Meter Only class,
                the points scored on the other band do not count and must not be
                reported.

                6(b). Example report:

                >From WA5UFH, COMBINED

                2M:
                W0IOH 821
                KS7S 830
                2M Score: 1,651

                6M:
                KS7S 830
                6M Score: 830

                COMBINED SCORE: 2,481

                7. Sprint coordinator is Bill, W5WVO. Send reports of Sprint
                scoring as shown above to Bill W5WVO instead of to Dave WA5DJJ.

                * Regarding QSO distance: It may occur from time to time that a
                station you work in the Sprint is a newbie and is not in your
                CALL3.TXT file. It may also occur that you have maintained the
                practice of entering new stations into WSJT using only the
                four-character grid square, and therefore have very few calls in
                your database with six-character grid locators. IN EITHER CASE you
                must enter the six-character grid square into WSJT in order to get
                a valid distance computation. This can be done at any time,
                including AFTER THE SPRINT IS OVER. The best source of accurate
                six-character grid locators is the HAMCALL database at
                http://www.hamcall. net. It is the most accurate because their
                automated grid locator algorithm looks for the actual street
                address, not just the ZIP code as do other databases like QRZ.
                (While you're at it, make sure your own grid square in WSJT is
                correct!) If you are really diligent, you can even look up any
                such stations on a GPS map that shows grid locators, such as the
                Garmin MapSource map sets. If you feel you are unable to determine
                the grid locator of any station you work, indicate this when you
                send in your score to me and I'll find it for you.

                Bill W5WVO

              • Bill W5WVO
                Sure, of course, Kevin. Bill ... From: kevin kaufhold To: [WSJTGROUP] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] WSJT Sprints proposed
                Message 7 of 22 , Feb 18, 2009
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                  Sure, of course, Kevin.
                  Bill
                   
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:29 PM
                  Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                  Bill, we seem to be on parallel tracks with you thinking through distance efforts for WSJT, and myself recently starting a working group to think through distance based methods for other VHF contests.
                   
                  Can I post your rules to the yahoo user's group "VHFDistanceScoring "? we have collected well over 20 contest rules that have used distance measurements, many in EU and Australia. 
                   
                   
                  Kevin
                  W9GKA
                   


                  --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Bill W5WVO <w5wvo@cybermesa. net> wrote:
                  From: Bill W5WVO <w5wvo@cybermesa. net>
                  Subject: [wsjtgroup] WSJT Sprints proposed rules
                  To: "[WSJTGROUP] " <wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com>
                  Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 5:20 PM

                  Here is the proposed rule set for the new distance-scored WSJT
                  Sprint. As you will see, there are a few new wrinkles here that I
                  think will be fun. Any questions or concerns, please post them to
                  the WSJT group, NOT to me privately. Private communications
                  contribute nothing to an open process.

                  ------------ --------- ---

                  PROPOSED RULES FOR WSJT SPRINTS

                  Under these rules, the first WSJT Sprint will be held Saturday
                  morning, February 28.

                  1. The WSJT Sprints are held the fourth Saturday morning of each
                  month January through April (for starters) as an alternative to
                  the usual Random Hour sessions. To simplify timing and provide an
                  additional strategy factor, an entrant can compete in the Sprint
                  during any uninterrupted 4-hour period between 4 AM and Noon
                  Saturday morning, local time.

                  2. All QSOs must be made using a WSJT transmission mode. Any
                  version of WSJT and the transmission modes it supports can be
                  used. Any terrestrial propagation mode available can be used (no
                  EME). There is no minimum distance, no restriction to meteor
                  scatter, and no proscription of working adjacent grid squares.
                  Anybody, anywhere, any terrestrial propagation -- as long as it's
                  WSJT digital on 6 or 2 meters.

                  3. PJ can be used in accordance with normal PJ QSO standards. Any
                  observed misuse of PJ should be reported to the Sprint
                  coordinator. Making random contacts and tail-ending is encouraged
                  but accrue no special multipliers or bonus points.

                  4. WSJT message format.

                  4(a). The WSJT message format is NA REPORTS. (For terrestrial
                  JT65, use the default EME grid square format.

                  4(b). Use of the appended message format ("RH messages") is
                  mandatory for any QSO made on a calling frequency. Use of Sh Msgs
                  on calling frequencies invalidates the QSO. FSK441 Sh Msgs may be
                  used if desired for QSOs OFF the calling frequencies.

                  5. Scoring.

                  5(a). Competition classes will be 6 Meters Only, 2 Meters Only,
                  and Combined. For Combined class, a station worked on both bands
                  counts as a separate QSO on each band.

                  5(b). Each QSO is assigned a points value equivalent to the ground
                  distance in miles between the stations, as computed by the WSJT
                  software (only).* To keep it simple for now, there are no other
                  multipliers (band, power, WSJT transmission mode, propagation
                  mode, random vs. assisted, etc). The final score in points is
                  therefore simply the sum of all miles worked during the Sprint
                  period on the band(s) indicated by the competition class
                  specified.

                  6. Reporting.

                  6(a). Each station reporting a score must choose and report which
                  competition class is being entered. A station can work QSOs on
                  both bands and then decide which competition class to report
                  scores for after the event is over; the mere fact of working
                  stations on both bands does not require one to enter the Combined
                  class. However, if entering in 6 Meter Only or 2 Meter Only class,
                  the points scored on the other band do not count and must not be
                  reported.

                  6(b). Example report:

                  From WA5UFH, COMBINED

                  2M:
                  W0IOH 821
                  KS7S 830
                  2M Score: 1,651

                  6M:
                  KS7S 830
                  6M Score: 830

                  COMBINED SCORE: 2,481

                  7. Sprint coordinator is Bill, W5WVO. Send reports of Sprint
                  scoring as shown above to Bill W5WVO instead of to Dave WA5DJJ.

                  * Regarding QSO distance: It may occur from time to time that a
                  station you work in the Sprint is a newbie and is not in your
                  CALL3.TXT file. It may also occur that you have maintained the
                  practice of entering new stations into WSJT using only the
                  four-character grid square, and therefore have very few calls in
                  your database with six-character grid locators. IN EITHER CASE you
                  must enter the six-character grid square into WSJT in order to get
                  a valid distance computation. This can be done at any time,
                  including AFTER THE SPRINT IS OVER. The best source of accurate
                  six-character grid locators is the HAMCALL database at
                  http://www.hamcall. net. It is the most accurate because their
                  automated grid locator algorithm looks for the actual street
                  address, not just the ZIP code as do other databases like QRZ.
                  (While you're at it, make sure your own grid square in WSJT is
                  correct!) If you are really diligent, you can even look up any
                  such stations on a GPS map that shows grid locators, such as the
                  Garmin MapSource map sets. If you feel you are unable to determine
                  the grid locator of any station you work, indicate this when you
                  send in your score to me and I'll find it for you.

                  Bill W5WVO


                • Randy Tipton
                  Bill, many thanks for creating the Sprints. Looks to me like they should be fun. I plan to be active using both random contacts and schedules from PJ. Good
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                    Bill, many thanks for creating the Sprints. Looks to me like they
                    should be fun. I plan to be active using both random contacts and
                    schedules
                    from PJ. Good luck to all... c u on the 28th.

                    Tip

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Bill W5WVO" <w5wvo@...>
                    To: "[WSJTGROUP]" <wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:20 PM
                    Subject: [wsjtgroup] WSJT Sprints proposed rules


                    > Here is the proposed rule set for the new distance-scored WSJT
                    > Sprint. As you will see, there are a few new wrinkles here that I
                    > think will be fun. Any questions or concerns, please post them to
                    > the WSJT group, NOT to me privately. Private communications
                    > contribute nothing to an open process.
                    >
                    > ------------------------
                    >
                    > PROPOSED RULES FOR WSJT SPRINTS
                    >
                    > Under these rules, the first WSJT Sprint will be held Saturday
                    > morning, February 28.
                    >
                    > 1. The WSJT Sprints are held the fourth Saturday morning of each
                    > month January through April (for starters) as an alternative to
                    > the usual Random Hour sessions. To simplify timing and provide an
                    > additional strategy factor, an entrant can compete in the Sprint
                    > during any uninterrupted 4-hour period between 4 AM and Noon
                    > Saturday morning, local time.
                    >
                    > 2. All QSOs must be made using a WSJT transmission mode. Any
                    > version of WSJT and the transmission modes it supports can be
                    > used. Any terrestrial propagation mode available can be used (no
                    > EME). There is no minimum distance, no restriction to meteor
                    > scatter, and no proscription of working adjacent grid squares.
                    > Anybody, anywhere, any terrestrial propagation -- as long as it's
                    > WSJT digital on 6 or 2 meters.
                    >
                    > 3. PJ can be used in accordance with normal PJ QSO standards. Any
                    > observed misuse of PJ should be reported to the Sprint
                    > coordinator. Making random contacts and tail-ending is encouraged
                    > but accrue no special multipliers or bonus points.
                    >
                    > 4. WSJT message format.
                    >
                    > 4(a). The WSJT message format is NA REPORTS. (For terrestrial
                    > JT65, use the default EME grid square format.
                    >
                    > 4(b). Use of the appended message format ("RH messages") is
                    > mandatory for any QSO made on a calling frequency. Use of Sh Msgs
                    > on calling frequencies invalidates the QSO. FSK441 Sh Msgs may be
                    > used if desired for QSOs OFF the calling frequencies.
                    >
                    > 5. Scoring.
                    >
                    > 5(a). Competition classes will be 6 Meters Only, 2 Meters Only,
                    > and Combined. For Combined class, a station worked on both bands
                    > counts as a separate QSO on each band.
                    >
                    > 5(b). Each QSO is assigned a points value equivalent to the ground
                    > distance in miles between the stations, as computed by the WSJT
                    > software (only).* To keep it simple for now, there are no other
                    > multipliers (band, power, WSJT transmission mode, propagation
                    > mode, random vs. assisted, etc). The final score in points is
                    > therefore simply the sum of all miles worked during the Sprint
                    > period on the band(s) indicated by the competition class
                    > specified.
                    >
                    > 6. Reporting.
                    >
                    > 6(a). Each station reporting a score must choose and report which
                    > competition class is being entered. A station can work QSOs on
                    > both bands and then decide which competition class to report
                    > scores for after the event is over; the mere fact of working
                    > stations on both bands does not require one to enter the Combined
                    > class. However, if entering in 6 Meter Only or 2 Meter Only class,
                    > the points scored on the other band do not count and must not be
                    > reported.
                    >
                    > 6(b). Example report:
                    >
                    > From WA5UFH, COMBINED
                    >
                    > 2M:
                    > W0IOH 821
                    > KS7S 830
                    > 2M Score: 1,651
                    >
                    > 6M:
                    > KS7S 830
                    > 6M Score: 830
                    >
                    > COMBINED SCORE: 2,481
                    >
                    > 7. Sprint coordinator is Bill, W5WVO. Send reports of Sprint
                    > scoring as shown above to Bill W5WVO instead of to Dave WA5DJJ.
                    >
                    > * Regarding QSO distance: It may occur from time to time that a
                    > station you work in the Sprint is a newbie and is not in your
                    > CALL3.TXT file. It may also occur that you have maintained the
                    > practice of entering new stations into WSJT using only the
                    > four-character grid square, and therefore have very few calls in
                    > your database with six-character grid locators. IN EITHER CASE you
                    > must enter the six-character grid square into WSJT in order to get
                    > a valid distance computation. This can be done at any time,
                    > including AFTER THE SPRINT IS OVER. The best source of accurate
                    > six-character grid locators is the HAMCALL database at
                    > http://www.hamcall.net It is the most accurate because their
                    > automated grid locator algorithm looks for the actual street
                    > address, not just the ZIP code as do other databases like QRZ.
                    > (While you're at it, make sure your own grid square in WSJT is
                    > correct!) If you are really diligent, you can even look up any
                    > such stations on a GPS map that shows grid locators, such as the
                    > Garmin MapSource map sets. If you feel you are unable to determine
                    > the grid locator of any station you work, indicate this when you
                    > send in your score to me and I'll find it for you.
                    >
                    >
                    > Bill W5WVO
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                    >
                    > To unsubscribe, send an email to:
                    > wsjtgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                    >
                    > WSJTGroup HomePage http://www.ykc.com/wa5ufh/
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • wb3bel
                    This looks like a fantastic idea! I have a few minor questions. I like the overall concept and hope that it stimulates more activity on the VHF bands using
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                      This looks like a fantastic idea!

                      I have a few minor questions. I like the overall concept and hope
                      that it stimulates more activity on the VHF bands using WSJT modes.

                      I sometimes operate as a mobile or portable for the random hour
                      periods and would likely do so during the sprints.

                      I have no problem finding my 6 digit maidenhead grid using my el
                      cheapo garmin GPS receiver. But how will the other operator know? I
                      am not enthusiastic about sending my 6 digit instead of my NA report
                      especially when operating with weak signals from a portable
                      location. I could enter my grid in my entry and could also post it
                      somewhere after the contest if needed.

                      I am not likely to know the six digit before the sprint starts as I
                      don't know where I will park my car or if I will get chased off by
                      someone who doesnt like anything that looks unusual.

                      I usually don't have access to PJ when operating away from home
                      unless I make a mobile phone call home and ask someone there to spot
                      me. I normally don't like to do this because it is a bother and also
                      maybe is against the intent of assisted operating rules. I might be
                      tempted if I have driven for hours to a grid and can't drum up any
                      action :{

                      I am assuming that it is OK to operate while in motion and common
                      sense would apply to the grid details reported for that. If this is
                      correct then it seems correct to assume you could operate from more
                      than one grid during the sprint period. I don't think I would
                      normally do this, but I might operate mobile going to the grid I was
                      going to operate /p from.

                      Is it OK to operate on more than one band simultaneously?

                      I am not so concerned about the rule details from the perspective of
                      competition, I don't think that I care personally about my own score.
                      But don't want to be seen as cheating or hurting the scores of others
                      who may care more about the numbers. I just want to operate and see
                      more activity...

                      Thanks for your excellent work in pulling this together.

                      Regards
                      Harry WB3BEL
                    • k4ymq
                      Harry brings up a good point as to the 6 digit grid locator. I am a firm believer in the ole keep it simple rule. For the purpose of computing contact distance
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                        Harry brings up a good point as to the 6 digit grid locator. I am a
                        firm believer in the ole keep it simple rule. For the purpose of
                        computing contact distance in the sprints, why not just assume that
                        all stations are located in the center of each grid square. I seem
                        to remember that is XXXXmm. I may be wrong on the mm but what ever
                        segment of square is center. The use of center of square would be
                        neither an advantage or disadvantage since everyone would use same
                        segment for computing distance.

                        73
                        Ira
                        K4YMQ EM63uo

                        -- In wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com, "wb3bel" <wb3bel@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > This looks like a fantastic idea!
                        >
                        > I have a few minor questions. I like the overall concept and hope
                        > that it stimulates more activity on the VHF bands using WSJT modes.
                        >
                        > I sometimes operate as a mobile or portable for the random hour
                        > periods and would likely do so during the sprints.
                        >
                        > I have no problem finding my 6 digit maidenhead grid using my el
                        > cheapo garmin GPS receiver. But how will the other operator know?
                        I
                        > am not enthusiastic about sending my 6 digit instead of my NA
                        report
                        > especially when operating with weak signals from a portable
                        > location. I could enter my grid in my entry and could also post it
                        > somewhere after the contest if needed.
                        >
                        > I am not likely to know the six digit before the sprint starts as I
                        > don't know where I will park my car or if I will get chased off by
                        > someone who doesnt like anything that looks unusual.
                        >
                        > I usually don't have access to PJ when operating away from home
                        > unless I make a mobile phone call home and ask someone there to
                        spot
                        > me. I normally don't like to do this because it is a bother and
                        also
                        > maybe is against the intent of assisted operating rules. I might
                        be
                        > tempted if I have driven for hours to a grid and can't drum up any
                        > action :{
                        >
                        > I am assuming that it is OK to operate while in motion and common
                        > sense would apply to the grid details reported for that. If this
                        is
                        > correct then it seems correct to assume you could operate from more
                        > than one grid during the sprint period. I don't think I would
                        > normally do this, but I might operate mobile going to the grid I
                        was
                        > going to operate /p from.
                        >
                        > Is it OK to operate on more than one band simultaneously?
                        >
                        > I am not so concerned about the rule details from the perspective
                        of
                        > competition, I don't think that I care personally about my own
                        score.
                        > But don't want to be seen as cheating or hurting the scores of
                        others
                        > who may care more about the numbers. I just want to operate and
                        see
                        > more activity...
                        >
                        > Thanks for your excellent work in pulling this together.
                        >
                        > Regards
                        > Harry WB3BEL
                        >
                      • Russ K2TXB
                        Exact distances are very important to calculate and use for contests (if we are scoring by distance). And using square centers is definitely an advantage or a
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                          Exact distances are very important to calculate and use for contests (if we are scoring by distance).  And using square centers is definitely an advantage or a disadvantage.  Consider if you lived on the Eastern side of FM29.  You would be penalized by about 40 miles for every contact you made to the west (most of them).  But if you live on the western edge you would gain 40 miles for every contact.  How would you like to lose to a guy in your own grid square simply because he is west of you?
                           
                          I have operated the 10 GHz contest many years.  The exchange there is six digit grid square and we always manage to do it.  Many contacts are on CW with extremely weak signals.  If we can do it there it will be simple to do it with FSK441.
                           
                          If it's to be a contest, let's keep the rules fair to all.
                           
                          73, Russ K2TXB


                          From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of k4ymq
                          Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:44 PM
                          To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                          Harry brings up a good point as to the 6 digit grid locator. I am a
                          firm believer in the ole keep it simple rule. For the purpose of
                          computing contact distance in the sprints, why not just assume that
                          all stations are located in the center of each grid square. I seem
                          to remember that is XXXXmm. I may be wrong on the mm but what ever
                          segment of square is center. The use of center of square would be
                          neither an advantage or disadvantage since everyone would use same
                          segment for computing distance.

                          73
                          Ira
                          K4YMQ EM63uo

                          -- In wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com, "wb3bel" <wb3bel@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > This looks like a fantastic idea!
                          >
                          > I have a few minor questions. I like the overall concept and hope
                          > that it stimulates more activity on the VHF bands using WSJT modes.
                          >
                          > I sometimes operate as a mobile or portable for the random hour
                          > periods and would likely do so during the sprints.
                          >
                          > I have no problem finding my 6 digit maidenhead grid using my el
                          > cheapo garmin GPS receiver. But how will the other operator know?
                          I
                          > am not enthusiastic about sending my 6 digit instead of my NA
                          report
                          > especially when operating with weak signals from a portable
                          > location. I could enter my grid in my entry and could also post it
                          > somewhere after the contest if needed.
                          >
                          > I am not likely to know the six digit before the sprint starts as I
                          > don't know where I will park my car or if I will get chased off by
                          > someone who doesnt like anything that looks unusual.
                          >
                          > I usually don't have access to PJ when operating away from home
                          > unless I make a mobile phone call home and ask someone there to
                          spot
                          > me. I normally don't like to do this because it is a bother and
                          also
                          > maybe is against the intent of assisted operating rules. I might
                          be
                          > tempted if I have driven for hours to a grid and can't drum up any
                          > action :{
                          >
                          > I am assuming that it is OK to operate while in motion and common
                          > sense would apply to the grid details reported for that. If this
                          is
                          > correct then it seems correct to assume you could operate from more
                          > than one grid during the sprint period. I don't think I would
                          > normally do this, but I might operate mobile going to the grid I
                          was
                          > going to operate /p from.
                          >
                          > Is it OK to operate on more than one band simultaneously?
                          >
                          > I am not so concerned about the rule details from the perspective
                          of
                          > competition, I don't think that I care personally about my own
                          score.
                          > But don't want to be seen as cheating or hurting the scores of
                          others
                          > who may care more about the numbers. I just want to operate and
                          see
                          > more activity...
                          >
                          > Thanks for your excellent work in pulling this together.
                          >
                          > Regards
                          > Harry WB3BEL
                          >

                        • Chris Cox, N0UK
                          I concur with Russ. The algorithms to calculate distance between two Maidenhead locators has been freely available for 25+ years, and finding one s location is
                          Message 12 of 22 , Feb 19, 2009
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                            I concur with Russ.

                            The algorithms to calculate distance between two Maidenhead locators has
                            been freely available for 25+ years, and finding one's location is even
                            easier today than it has ever been what with the ubiquity of GPS receivers
                            that can display locators directly.

                            For those who have a non-direct reading GPSRX, again the software to take
                            DMS input and convert it to Maidenhead is easily found and at no cost.

                            73 Chris Cox, N0UK email: chrisc@... or chrisc@...
                            or chris@...
                            Home Page: http://WWW.BritishCarAndDriver.Com http://www.pingjockey.net

                            Don't Believe Everything You Think.

                            On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Russ K2TXB wrote:

                            > Exact distances are very important to calculate and use for contests (if we
                            > are scoring by distance). And using square centers is definitely an
                            > advantage or a disadvantage. Consider if you lived on the Eastern side of
                            > FM29. You would be penalized by about 40 miles for every contact you made
                            > to the west (most of them). But if you live on the western edge you would
                            > gain 40 miles for every contact. How would you like to lose to a guy in
                            > your own grid square simply because he is west of you?
                            >
                            > I have operated the 10 GHz contest many years. The exchange there is six
                            > digit grid square and we always manage to do it. Many contacts are on CW
                            > with extremely weak signals. If we can do it there it will be simple to do
                            > it with FSK441.
                            >
                            > If it's to be a contest, let's keep the rules fair to all.
                            >
                            > 73, Russ K2TXB
                            >
                            >
                            > _____
                            >
                            > From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                            > Of k4ymq
                            > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:44 PM
                            > To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Harry brings up a good point as to the 6 digit grid locator. I am a
                            > firm believer in the ole keep it simple rule. For the purpose of
                            > computing contact distance in the sprints, why not just assume that
                            > all stations are located in the center of each grid square. I seem
                            > to remember that is XXXXmm. I may be wrong on the mm but what ever
                            > segment of square is center. The use of center of square would be
                            > neither an advantage or disadvantage since everyone would use same
                            > segment for computing distance.
                            >
                            > 73
                            > Ira
                            > K4YMQ EM63uo
                            >
                            > -- In wsjtgroup@yahoogrou <mailto:wsjtgroup%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com,
                            > "wb3bel" <wb3bel@...> wrote:
                            >>
                            >> This looks like a fantastic idea!
                            >>
                            >> I have a few minor questions. I like the overall concept and hope
                            >> that it stimulates more activity on the VHF bands using WSJT modes.
                            >>
                            >> I sometimes operate as a mobile or portable for the random hour
                            >> periods and would likely do so during the sprints.
                            >>
                            >> I have no problem finding my 6 digit maidenhead grid using my el
                            >> cheapo garmin GPS receiver. But how will the other operator know?
                            > I
                            >> am not enthusiastic about sending my 6 digit instead of my NA
                            > report
                            >> especially when operating with weak signals from a portable
                            >> location. I could enter my grid in my entry and could also post it
                            >> somewhere after the contest if needed.
                            >>
                            >> I am not likely to know the six digit before the sprint starts as I
                            >> don't know where I will park my car or if I will get chased off by
                            >> someone who doesnt like anything that looks unusual.
                            >>
                            >> I usually don't have access to PJ when operating away from home
                            >> unless I make a mobile phone call home and ask someone there to
                            > spot
                            >> me. I normally don't like to do this because it is a bother and
                            > also
                            >> maybe is against the intent of assisted operating rules. I might
                            > be
                            >> tempted if I have driven for hours to a grid and can't drum up any
                            >> action :{
                            >>
                            >> I am assuming that it is OK to operate while in motion and common
                            >> sense would apply to the grid details reported for that. If this
                            > is
                            >> correct then it seems correct to assume you could operate from more
                            >> than one grid during the sprint period. I don't think I would
                            >> normally do this, but I might operate mobile going to the grid I
                            > was
                            >> going to operate /p from.
                            >>
                            >> Is it OK to operate on more than one band simultaneously?
                            >>
                            >> I am not so concerned about the rule details from the perspective
                            > of
                            >> competition, I don't think that I care personally about my own
                            > score.
                            >> But don't want to be seen as cheating or hurting the scores of
                            > others
                            >> who may care more about the numbers. I just want to operate and
                            > see
                            >> more activity...
                            >>
                            >> Thanks for your excellent work in pulling this together.
                            >>
                            >> Regards
                            >> Harry WB3BEL
                            >>
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                          • Bill W5WVO
                            Harry WB3BEL asks some interesting questions. Is it OK to operate more than one band simultaneously? First, it is not OK to operate (i.e., directly control the
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                              Harry WB3BEL asks some interesting questions.
                               
                              Is it OK to operate more than one band simultaneously? First, it is not OK to operate (i.e., directly control the transmission of) two or more transmitters simultaneously. In fact, I believe it is illegal (except for remotely-controlled stations compliantly configured as such). Check your Part 97 regulations. If I'm wrong about this, someone will of course quote me chapter and verse. But I don't think I am. Is it OK to switch back and forth between 6-meter and 2-meter operation, alternately controlling one and then the other? Of course.
                               
                              Second, since this is a distance-based contest, operating while mobile-in-motion is not allowed. (It is also extremely dangerous to operate a laptop computer while driving. In fact, the word "insane" springs immediately to mind. My opinion only...) You must operate either as a fixed base station or as a fixed portable station. You must enter the grid locator where you are into your WSJT Setup/Options dialog before commencing operation from a new grid square.
                               
                              However, the question "How will anybody know where I am if the exchange is Reports?" is pertinent and requires an answer. Therefore, fixed portable stations (including mobiles at rest) will transmit an NA GRIDS exchange instead of reports. Since WSJT does not support automatically populating the GRID variable with the six-character version of the grid, portable stations ONLY will transmit their four-character grid square, and this will be used for all distance computations involving that portable station. EVERYONE ELSE SENDS NA REPORTS.
                               
                              This means If you hear a station sending GRIDS instead of REPORTS in the exchange, it SHOULD be a portable station. If it is a base station, then they are sending the wrong exchange. There is no penalty for this, but please don't get everybody confused: the exchange is NA REPORTS for everybody except portable stations, who send NA GRIDS. We can't require portable stations to sign "/P" because this is impossible under some transmission protocols (like the JT65 modes), but Portable stations can be known because they will be sending grid squares. If a station is sending a grid square in its exchange, it is presumed to be a Portable station. Use the four-character grid square as received for computing distance to that station.
                               
                              I'll modify the rules to briefly include this information.
                               
                              Thanks and 73,
                              Bill W5WVO
                               
                               
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: wb3bel
                              Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:13 AM
                              Subject: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                              This looks like a fantastic idea!

                              I have a few minor questions. I like the overall concept and hope
                              that it stimulates more activity on the VHF bands using WSJT modes.

                              I sometimes operate as a mobile or portable for the random hour
                              periods and would likely do so during the sprints.

                              I have no problem finding my 6 digit maidenhead grid using my el
                              cheapo garmin GPS receiver. But how will the other operator know? I
                              am not enthusiastic about sending my 6 digit instead of my NA report
                              especially when operating with weak signals from a portable
                              location. I could enter my grid in my entry and could also post it
                              somewhere after the contest if needed.

                              I am not likely to know the six digit before the sprint starts as I
                              don't know where I will park my car or if I will get chased off by
                              someone who doesnt like anything that looks unusual.

                              I usually don't have access to PJ when operating away from home
                              unless I make a mobile phone call home and ask someone there to spot
                              me. I normally don't like to do this because it is a bother and also
                              maybe is against the intent of assisted operating rules. I might be
                              tempted if I have driven for hours to a grid and can't drum up any
                              action :{

                              I am assuming that it is OK to operate while in motion and common
                              sense would apply to the grid details reported for that. If this is
                              correct then it seems correct to assume you could operate from more
                              than one grid during the sprint period. I don't think I would
                              normally do this, but I might operate mobile going to the grid I was
                              going to operate /p from.

                              Is it OK to operate on more than one band simultaneously?

                              I am not so concerned about the rule details from the perspective of
                              competition, I don't think that I care personally about my own score.
                              But don't want to be seen as cheating or hurting the scores of others
                              who may care more about the numbers. I just want to operate and see
                              more activity...

                              Thanks for your excellent work in pulling this together.

                              Regards
                              Harry WB3BEL

                            • wb3bel
                              It is not illegal for a license holder to operate two transmitters simultaneously under FCC part 97 rules. As a matter of fact, many contest and dxpedition
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                                It is not illegal for a license holder to operate two transmitters
                                simultaneously under FCC part 97 rules.

                                As a matter of fact, many contest and dxpedition stations do so.

                                But if it is not allowed under the sprint rules, thats OK by me. I
                                don't really have enough battery/charging power in the car to support
                                this right now anyway. But I think that a few fixed stations are
                                equipped for this and I am not against them doing it if it will yield
                                more activity.

                                I do not advocate operating WSJT while acting as a vehicle driver.
                                I don't think that it is safe. I have operated while a passenger in
                                a vehicle, but if this is not allowed under the sprint rules thats OK
                                by me. It's not all that productive for me. I have in the past left
                                a receiver on while driving in the car but I don't touch the PC or
                                even pay much attention to it. You can get a feel for conditions
                                while you are driving to a location and in the case of random hour
                                reporting, you can list HRD stations that are logged. But if this
                                counts as operating time, I won't do it. There are no points for HRD
                                or CNW stations in the sprint and I guess no need to report them
                                either. A vehicle mounted halo is not that great an antenna anyway
                                although some folks have pretty good success.

                                Regards,
                                Harry WB3BEL
                              • aflowers@frontiernet.net
                                I know several Single-ops who have operated two radios simultaneously on 6m and 2m transmitting on opposite halves of the minute. This is done to comply with
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                                  I know several Single-ops who have operated two radios simultaneously on 6m and 2m transmitting on opposite halves of the minute. This is done to comply with the "one transmitted signal at a time" restriction for single-ops in most contests. SO2R is quite easy with WSJT relative to voice and CW. You may need filter in the RX chain to keep one transmitter from desensing the receiver. Depending on the transmitter, you may also want some BP filters to keep phase noise from the transmitter out of the other receiver.

                                  In my opinion its it's quite reasonable to transmit on multiple bands simultaneously as a single op in a WSJT contest. I've done SO3R in ARRL SS with WSJT TXing simultaneously on three bands running three QSOs all at once at a multi-op when we were short of late-night operators to keep me company. It's quite doable, and quite fun if your station can do it. There is some engineering involved to make this work, especially in terms of power supply requirements and antenna isolation. While receiver desense is not an issue in this case, cross-modulation is a concern, and you'll probably want to have some filters to keep your amplifiers from modulating each other, particularly if your antennas are close together.

                                  Andy K0SM/2
                                • Bill W5WVO
                                  Thanks to Harry and Andy for setting me straight on the rules regarding simultaneous operation on multiple bands. The ancillary rule that a SO station may not
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                                    Thanks to Harry and Andy for setting me straight on the rules regarding simultaneous operation on multiple bands. The ancillary rule that a SO station may not transmit on two different radios at the same time also makes sense, so we'll adopt that rule here by default, since all entries are presumed to be SO.
                                     
                                    If somebody can (and wants to) OPERATE on 6m and 2m simultaneously while avoiding TRANSMITTING simulataneously, that's fine -- just a logical extension of switching bands frequently. Basically you're switching bands (as a transmitter) as frequently as possible -- every 30 seconds. LOL
                                     
                                    Bill W5WVO
                                     
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:39 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules


                                    I know several Single-ops who have operated two radios simultaneously on 6m and 2m transmitting on opposite halves of the minute. This is done to comply with the "one transmitted signal at a time" restriction for single-ops in most contests. SO2R is quite easy with WSJT relative to voice and CW. You may need filter in the RX chain to keep one transmitter from desensing the receiver. Depending on the transmitter, you may also want some BP filters to keep phase noise from the transmitter out of the other receiver.

                                    In my opinion its it's quite reasonable to transmit on multiple bands simultaneously as a single op in a WSJT contest. I've done SO3R in ARRL SS with WSJT TXing simultaneously on three bands running three QSOs all at once at a multi-op when we were short of late-night operators to keep me company. It's quite doable, and quite fun if your station can do it. There is some engineering involved to make this work, especially in terms of power supply requirements and antenna isolation. While receiver desense is not an issue in this case, cross-modulation is a concern, and you'll probably want to have some filters to keep your amplifiers from modulating each other, particularly if your antennas are close together.

                                    Andy K0SM/2

                                  • Russ K2TXB
                                    Bill, I m not involved in setting the rules for your sprints, as I am not yet active from my new QTH. But I do have an opinion about this multiple
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                                      Bill, I'm not involved in setting the rules for your sprints, as I am not yet active from my new QTH.  But I do have an opinion about this multiple transmitters issue.  Basically I see nothing wrong if a single operator is able to run simultaneoulsy on two or even more bands at the same time.  He is still a single operator and not using help from any other person.  To deny him use of his full capabilities can only be called "leveling the playing field".  Basically you are penalizing the well equipped and agile minded operator in favor of those who do not wish to engage in the contest so diligently.
                                       
                                      I would encourage you to keep the rules simple and let any operator do whatever he can to increase his score, within limits of legality.
                                       
                                      73, Russ K2TXB


                                      From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill W5WVO
                                      Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:20 PM
                                      To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                                      

                                      Thanks to Harry and Andy for setting me straight on the rules regarding simultaneous operation on multiple bands. The ancillary rule that a SO station may not transmit on two different radios at the same time also makes sense, so we'll adopt that rule here by default, since all entries are presumed to be SO.
                                       
                                      If somebody can (and wants to) OPERATE on 6m and 2m simultaneously while avoiding TRANSMITTING simulataneously, that's fine -- just a logical extension of switching bands frequently. Basically you're switching bands (as a transmitter) as frequently as possible -- every 30 seconds. LOL
                                       
                                      Bill W5WVO
                                       
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:39 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules


                                      I know several Single-ops who have operated two radios simultaneously on 6m and 2m transmitting on opposite halves of the minute. This is done to comply with the "one transmitted signal at a time" restriction for single-ops in most contests. SO2R is quite easy with WSJT relative to voice and CW. You may need filter in the RX chain to keep one transmitter from desensing the receiver. Depending on the transmitter, you may also want some BP filters to keep phase noise from the transmitter out of the other receiver.

                                      In my opinion its it's quite reasonable to transmit on multiple bands simultaneously as a single op in a WSJT contest. I've done SO3R in ARRL SS with WSJT TXing simultaneously on three bands running three QSOs all at once at a multi-op when we were short of late-night operators to keep me company. It's quite doable, and quite fun if your station can do it. There is some engineering involved to make this work, especially in terms of power supply requirements and antenna isolation. While receiver desense is not an issue in this case, cross-modulation is a concern, and you'll probably want to have some filters to keep your amplifiers from modulating each other, particularly if your antennas are close together.

                                      Andy K0SM/2

                                    • Randy Tipton
                                      I can not tx simultaneously but can receive both 2 and 6 meters at the same time. During the NAHSMS contests it has allowed me to make a few more contacts. I
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                                        I can not tx simultaneously but can receive both 2 and 6 meters at the same time. During the NAHSMS contests it has allowed me to make a few more contacts. I hope one day to be able to tx on two bands but for now just listening helps.
                                         
                                        I know of two stations who can operate two bands at once using wsjt. Really a surprise to see them making a sked on the opposite band while you are in the process of working them. I remember hearing KE7NR calling CQ on two meters while I was working him on six meters. That is when I decided to at least monitor both and maybe latter on set up for simultaneous operations.
                                         
                                        tip
                                         
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:33 AM
                                        Subject: RE: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                                        
                                        Bill, I'm not involved in setting the rules for your sprints, as I am not yet active from my new QTH.  But I do have an opinion about this multiple transmitters issue.  Basically I see nothing wrong if a single operator is able to run simultaneoulsy on two or even more bands at the same time.  He is still a single operator and not using help from any other person.  To deny him use of his full capabilities can only be called "leveling the playing field".  Basically you are penalizing the well equipped and agile minded operator in favor of those who do not wish to engage in the contest so diligently.
                                         
                                        I would encourage you to keep the rules simple and let any operator do whatever he can to increase his score, within limits of legality.
                                         
                                        73, Russ K2TXB


                                        From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill W5WVO
                                        Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:20 PM
                                        To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                                        

                                        Thanks to Harry and Andy for setting me straight on the rules regarding simultaneous operation on multiple bands. The ancillary rule that a SO station may not transmit on two different radios at the same time also makes sense, so we'll adopt that rule here by default, since all entries are presumed to be SO.
                                         
                                        If somebody can (and wants to) OPERATE on 6m and 2m simultaneously while avoiding TRANSMITTING simulataneously, that's fine -- just a logical extension of switching bands frequently. Basically you're switching bands (as a transmitter) as frequently as possible -- every 30 seconds. LOL
                                         
                                        Bill W5WVO
                                         
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:39 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules


                                        I know several Single-ops who have operated two radios simultaneously on 6m and 2m transmitting on opposite halves of the minute. This is done to comply with the "one transmitted signal at a time" restriction for single-ops in most contests. SO2R is quite easy with WSJT relative to voice and CW. You may need filter in the RX chain to keep one transmitter from desensing the receiver. Depending on the transmitter, you may also want some BP filters to keep phase noise from the transmitter out of the other receiver.

                                        In my opinion its it's quite reasonable to transmit on multiple bands simultaneously as a single op in a WSJT contest. I've done SO3R in ARRL SS with WSJT TXing simultaneously on three bands running three QSOs all at once at a multi-op when we were short of late-night operators to keep me company. It's quite doable, and quite fun if your station can do it. There is some engineering involved to make this work, especially in terms of power supply requirements and antenna isolation. While receiver desense is not an issue in this case, cross-modulation is a concern, and you'll probably want to have some filters to keep your amplifiers from modulating each other, particularly if your antennas are close together.

                                        Andy K0SM/2

                                      • Jim Forsyth
                                        Well said Russ, I agree completely. Jim, AF6O From: Russ K2TXB Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:33 AM To: Bill W5WVO ; wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com Subject:
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                                          Well said Russ, I agree completely.

                                          Jim, AF6O


                                          From: Russ K2TXB
                                          Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:33 AM
                                          To: 'Bill W5WVO' ; wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules
                                          
                                          Bill, I'm not involved in setting the rules for your sprints, as I am not
                                          yet active from my new QTH. But I do have an opinion about this multiple
                                          transmitters issue. Basically I see nothing wrong if a single operator is
                                          able to run simultaneoulsy on two or even more bands at the same time. He
                                          is still a single operator and not using help from any other person. To
                                          deny him use of his full capabilities can only be called "leveling the
                                          playing field". Basically you are penalizing the well equipped and agile
                                          minded operator in favor of those who do not wish to engage in the contest
                                          so diligently.

                                          I would encourage you to keep the rules simple and let any operator do
                                          whatever he can to increase his score, within limits of legality.

                                          73, Russ K2TXB
                                        • Bill W5WVO
                                          OK, is there anyone here who would OBJECT if we allowed SO stations to run two stations (6 meters and 2 meters) simultansously, if they can? This ain t
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                                            OK, is there anyone here who would OBJECT if we allowed SO stations to run two stations (6 meters and 2 meters) simultansously, if they can? This ain't Sweepstakes, and seeing as how this is the dead part of the MS season, I don't think it is going to be any big advantage. I didn't know anybody was even set up to do this, but if they are, I don't see any reason to debar them from doing so.
                                             
                                            Bill W5WVO
                                             
                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:12 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                                            Well said Russ, I agree completely.

                                            Jim, AF6O

                                            From: Russ K2TXB
                                            Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:33 AM
                                            To: 'Bill W5WVO' ; wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com
                                            Subject: RE: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules
                                            
                                            Bill, I'm not involved in setting the rules for your sprints, as I am not
                                            yet active from my new QTH. But I do have an opinion about this multiple
                                            transmitters issue. Basically I see nothing wrong if a single operator is
                                            able to run simultaneoulsy on two or even more bands at the same time. He
                                            is still a single operator and not using help from any other person. To
                                            deny him use of his full capabilities can only be called "leveling the
                                            playing field". Basically you are penalizing the well equipped and agile
                                            minded operator in favor of those who do not wish to engage in the contest
                                            so diligently.

                                            I would encourage you to keep the rules simple and let any operator do
                                            whatever he can to increase his score, within limits of legality.

                                            73, Russ K2TXB

                                          • aesitt@spinn.net
                                            Bill: I have been doing it for years. 2 computers,2 rig blasters and 2 radios. It s fun..ed n5jeh ... Bill: I have been doing it for years. 2 computers,2 rig
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                                              Bill: I have been doing it for years. 2 computers,2 rig blasters and 2 radios. It's fun..ed n5jeh

                                              Bill W5WVO writes:

                                              OK, is there anyone here who would OBJECT if we allowed SO stations to run
                                              two stations (6 meters and 2 meters) simultansously, if they can? This ain't
                                              Sweepstakes, and seeing as how this is the dead part of the MS season, I
                                              don't think it is going to be any big advantage. I didn't know anybody was
                                              even set up to do this, but if they are, I don't see any reason to debar
                                              them from doing so.

                                              Bill W5WVO

                                                ----- Original Message -----   From: Jim Forsyth
                                                To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:12 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                                                Well said Russ, I agree completely.

                                                Jim, AF6O

                                                From: Russ K2TXB
                                                Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:33 AM
                                                To: 'Bill W5WVO' ; wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                                                Subject: RE: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules
                                                
                                                Bill, I'm not involved in setting the rules for your sprints, as I am not
                                                yet active from my new QTH. But I do have an opinion about this multiple
                                                transmitters issue. Basically I see nothing wrong if a single operator is
                                                able to run simultaneoulsy on two or even more bands at the same time. He
                                                is still a single operator and not using help from any other person. To
                                                deny him use of his full capabilities can only be called "leveling the
                                                playing field". Basically you are penalizing the well equipped and agile
                                                minded operator in favor of those who do not wish to engage in the contest
                                                so diligently.

                                                I would encourage you to keep the rules simple and let any operator do
                                                whatever he can to increase his score, within limits of legality.

                                                73, Russ K2TXB

                                               

                                            • W7CE
                                              No objection here. I can run both 6M & 2M simultaneously with two SignaLink USB interfaces and a single computer. It s really not that hard once you get a
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                                                No objection here.  I can run both 6M & 2M simultaneously with two SignaLink USB interfaces and a single computer.  It's really not that hard once you get a rhythm going.
                                                 
                                                73,
                                                Clay  W7CE
                                                 
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:55 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                                                

                                                OK, is there anyone here who would OBJECT if we allowed SO stations to run two stations (6 meters and 2 meters) simultansously, if they can? This ain't Sweepstakes, and seeing as how this is the dead part of the MS season, I don't think it is going to be any big advantage. I didn't know anybody was even set up to do this, but if they are, I don't see any reason to debar them from doing so.
                                                 
                                                Bill W5WVO
                                                 
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:12 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules

                                                Well said Russ, I agree completely.

                                                Jim, AF6O

                                                From: Russ K2TXB
                                                Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:33 AM
                                                To: 'Bill W5WVO' ; wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com
                                                Subject: RE: [wsjtgroup] Re: WSJT Sprints proposed rules
                                                
                                                Bill, I'm not involved in setting the rules for your sprints, as I am not
                                                yet active from my new QTH. But I do have an opinion about this multiple
                                                transmitters issue. Basically I see nothing wrong if a single operator is
                                                able to run simultaneoulsy on two or even more bands at the same time. He
                                                is still a single operator and not using help from any other person. To
                                                deny him use of his full capabilities can only be called "leveling the
                                                playing field". Basically you are penalizing the well equipped and agile
                                                minded operator in favor of those who do not wish to engage in the contest
                                                so diligently.

                                                I would encourage you to keep the rules simple and let any operator do
                                                whatever he can to increase his score, within limits of legality.

                                                73, Russ K2TXB

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