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RE: [wsjtgroup] EME Contest ? ? ?

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  • Russ K2TXB
    Ok Randy. I don t see any more comments about this so I will start working on the project. I will start by taking a survey of users on WSJTGroup to see if
    Message 1 of 6 , Nov 21, 2005
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      Ok Randy. I don't see any more comments about this so I will start working
      on the project. I will start by taking a survey of users on WSJTGroup to
      see if there is any concensus on some of the issues. It will probably take
      a day or two before the survey is posted.

      73, Russ K2TXB

      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
      > [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Tipton
      > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:02 PM
      > To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: RE: [wsjtgroup] EME Contest ? ? ?
      >
      >
      >
      > Thanks to all who have commented thus far... Perhaps others
      > are still processing the possibility of another WSJTGROUP
      > contest. While the group waits for other input, I wanted to
      > respond with a short note.
      >
      > Russ you have evidently thought about this in some detail and
      > would be a good person to represent North America. I hope a
      > few others from EU, Australia, Africa, Australia or .... will
      > volunteer so that a set of rules can be created then proposed
      > that represent the entire EME community.
      >
      > This group now has a membership of 565 members. I have
      > noticed lately that the new members when joining are
      > expressing more interest in EME. Perhaps that is due to the
      > recent articles in QST and the fact that JT65 has opened the
      > door to many new stations.
      >
      > If this WSJTGROUP has an EME contest, it will be a grassroots
      > effort from a few members. Russ is good at building consensus
      > and I hope some others will volunteer to work with him.
      > Global agreement between a few should lead to good
      > participation latter.
      >
      > For those who have responded, again thanks...
      >
      > Tip
      >
      >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
      > [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On
      > > Behalf Of Russ K2TXB
      > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:37 PM
      > > To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: RE: [wsjtgroup] EME Contest ? ? ?
      > >
      > > Great idea Tip! Currently on moon-net there is a great brou-ha-ha
      > > going on about whether to ask ARRL to separate digital
      > contacts from
      > > CW/SSB. Many of the CW ops feel that JT65 is an unfair
      > advantage and
      > > should not compete with them. They also blame JT65 for the obvious
      > > decline of CW activity on 2 meters. It appears that most of these
      > > people want ARRL to sponsor a separate contest, on a
      > separate weekend,
      > > for digital operations. I do not agree with this sentiment for two
      > > reasons. First, the ARRL EME contest already encompasses 3
      > weekends;
      > > their proposal would make it 4 (or 5 if digital is given equal time
      > > with CW/SSB). Secondly it would significantly reduce the
      > > opportunities to find stations to work in both modes.
      > >
      > > Your idea of sponsoring a separate EME contest is very
      > interesting.
      > > Of course the same question comes up. Would it allow all
      > signal modes
      > > or just digital? Since this is the WSJT group, making it
      > just digital
      > > would seem reasonable, but I really don't like the idea of
      > excluding
      > > anyone. The fact is that most operators can outfit their
      > stations to
      > > work both modes, so they are really not at any disadvantage
      > in making
      > > contacts - except a self-imposed disadvantage if they
      > decide to only
      > > work one mode.
      > >
      > > Another question is one you already mentioned - should it
      > be a short
      > > period contest (weekend) or a longer one like our HSMS
      > rally's. There
      > > is already a long EME contest sponsored by the Italian
      > Radio Amateur
      > > Association (A. R.
      > > I.), called the "WORLD WIDE EME MARATHON". This runs for a full
      > > calendar year, starting January 1. I am not aware of too many US
      > > stations who participate. There are also some contests of
      > this type
      > > promoted by the Central States VHF Society, but I don't
      > know if any of
      > > them are specific to EME.
      > >
      > > Personally I don't care much for the long marathon type
      > contests. It
      > > is a totally different way of operating. I prefer to have
      > set dates
      > > so that we can see a significant increase of activity during the
      > > contest and make it worth spending the time operating. However
      > > something like our HSMS rally that runs for two weeks might be
      > > interesting. So my vote would be for a single weekend
      > contest or for a
      > > longer period of a couple of weekends plus time in between,
      > > encompassing all modes, with no special status given to any mode.
      > >
      > > Another issue is assisted operation. For the first time
      > this year the
      > > ARRL EME contest has an assisted category. It is pretty
      > much like the
      > > way we do our assisted mode in the HSMS contests. I
      > personally prefer
      > > all random activity, but I bow to the fact that many others like to
      > > use assisted contacts during contests. So, if we sponsor a
      > contest,
      > > it should probably have an assisted category.
      > >
      > > Next we need to consider different bands. Is this to be a
      > single band
      > > contest for 2 meters only, or will it be for any band that
      > EME can be
      > > worked on? Currently the ARRL EME contest has a separate
      > weekend for
      > > bands 13 cm and above. This is because it is very difficult for
      > > stations that have a lot of bands to put in a reasonable amount of
      > > time on each in a single weekend. There are issues of
      > changing feeds
      > > on dish antennas, etc. But if we made it a longer contest
      > > encompassing 2 weekends that would not be so much of a problem. Of
      > > course there should be separate categories for single band vs
      > > multi-band efforts, and separate certificates awarded to winners of
      > > each single band and for multi band.
      > >
      > > And there needs to be categories for multi-operator efforts too.
      > >
      > > There is also the question of scheduling. For US and European
      > > stations, most prefer weekends with medium to high positive
      > > declination of the moon, to give them the maximum moon time that is
      > > clear of trees, houses, hills, etc. For southern
      > hemisphere stations
      > > the opposite is true, but due to the overwhelming number of EME
      > > operators in the northern hemisphere, little consideration
      > is usually
      > > given to the south. In fact, the dates for the ARRL
      > International EME
      > > Competition are decided by vote. Of course a period with low
      > > degradation is required, to give all stations a chance to make
      > > contacts.
      > >
      > > This means examining the calendar and moon tables to see
      > what weekends
      > > are available that meet the requirements that are decided
      > upon. A lot
      > > of people have significant interference from trees near their
      > > horizons, and wintertime is good for them because leaves are off of
      > > the trees. Others will not like the contest in the winter due to
      > > severe weather, wind, heavy snow, etc.
      > >
      > > Personally, I would suggest a contest in February or March,
      > but that
      > > may be too soon for us to plan for this year. Perhaps April or May
      > > would be a better choice.
      > >
      > > To summarize, I suggest making the contest for all bands, for one
      > > weekend, or for a period of 10 days encompassing 2
      > weekends. Changes
      > > can be made in subsequent years if needed.
      > >
      > > Well, those are my thoughts, of course I am willing to help with
      > > organization, rules, etc.
      > >
      > > 73, Russ K2TXB
      > >
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
      > > > [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Tipton
      > > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:50 PM
      > > > To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: [wsjtgroup] EME Contest ? ? ?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > As most members know, the WSJTGROUP sponsors two meteor scatter
      > > > contests each year. The two contests sponsored are
      > basically for NA
      > > > but our membership is from around the globe.
      > > > With so many members outside of NA, I personally would
      > like to see
      > > > an EME global contest scenario that would be sponsored by the
      > > > WSJTGROUP.
      > > >
      > > > If there is any interest please post your comments to the
      > reflector.
      > > > Probably many qrp stations like me have made only a few
      > contacts via
      > > > EME. A long duration event maybe with incentives for "High ERP
      > > > Stations" to work smaller stations is a possibility. Perhaps an
      > > > event that is not too rigid or formal and allows enough
      > time for the
      > > > casual operators to make some contacts.
      > > >
      > > > If maybe a couple of stations from each continent could work
      > > > together to propose some rules this might develop into something
      > > > good. If you're interested in working with such an "EME Contest
      > > > Development / Implementation Team" please post on the
      > reflector or
      > > > directly to me. Note, I do not want to be part of the
      > team being as
      > > > I have very little EME experience and my plate is full.
      > The design
      > > > work is probably best left to those with the most experience with
      > > > EME.
      > > >
      > > > By the way, don't forget the NAHSMS contest in December!
      > > >
      > > > Tip
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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      > > http://www.ykc.com/wa5ufh/Rally/NAHSMS.htm
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