RE: [wsjtgroup] EME Contest ? ? ?
- Ok Randy. I don't see any more comments about this so I will start working
on the project. I will start by taking a survey of users on WSJTGroup to
see if there is any concensus on some of the issues. It will probably take
a day or two before the survey is posted.
73, Russ K2TXB
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> Thanks to all who have commented thus far... Perhaps others
> are still processing the possibility of another WSJTGROUP
> contest. While the group waits for other input, I wanted to
> respond with a short note.
> Russ you have evidently thought about this in some detail and
> would be a good person to represent North America. I hope a
> few others from EU, Australia, Africa, Australia or .... will
> volunteer so that a set of rules can be created then proposed
> that represent the entire EME community.
> This group now has a membership of 565 members. I have
> noticed lately that the new members when joining are
> expressing more interest in EME. Perhaps that is due to the
> recent articles in QST and the fact that JT65 has opened the
> door to many new stations.
> If this WSJTGROUP has an EME contest, it will be a grassroots
> effort from a few members. Russ is good at building consensus
> and I hope some others will volunteer to work with him.
> Global agreement between a few should lead to good
> participation latter.
> For those who have responded, again thanks...
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> > Subject: RE: [wsjtgroup] EME Contest ? ? ?
> > Great idea Tip! Currently on moon-net there is a great brou-ha-ha
> > going on about whether to ask ARRL to separate digital
> contacts from
> > CW/SSB. Many of the CW ops feel that JT65 is an unfair
> advantage and
> > should not compete with them. They also blame JT65 for the obvious
> > decline of CW activity on 2 meters. It appears that most of these
> > people want ARRL to sponsor a separate contest, on a
> separate weekend,
> > for digital operations. I do not agree with this sentiment for two
> > reasons. First, the ARRL EME contest already encompasses 3
> > their proposal would make it 4 (or 5 if digital is given equal time
> > with CW/SSB). Secondly it would significantly reduce the
> > opportunities to find stations to work in both modes.
> > Your idea of sponsoring a separate EME contest is very
> > Of course the same question comes up. Would it allow all
> signal modes
> > or just digital? Since this is the WSJT group, making it
> just digital
> > would seem reasonable, but I really don't like the idea of
> > anyone. The fact is that most operators can outfit their
> stations to
> > work both modes, so they are really not at any disadvantage
> in making
> > contacts - except a self-imposed disadvantage if they
> decide to only
> > work one mode.
> > Another question is one you already mentioned - should it
> be a short
> > period contest (weekend) or a longer one like our HSMS
> rally's. There
> > is already a long EME contest sponsored by the Italian
> Radio Amateur
> > Association (A. R.
> > I.), called the "WORLD WIDE EME MARATHON". This runs for a full
> > calendar year, starting January 1. I am not aware of too many US
> > stations who participate. There are also some contests of
> this type
> > promoted by the Central States VHF Society, but I don't
> know if any of
> > them are specific to EME.
> > Personally I don't care much for the long marathon type
> contests. It
> > is a totally different way of operating. I prefer to have
> set dates
> > so that we can see a significant increase of activity during the
> > contest and make it worth spending the time operating. However
> > something like our HSMS rally that runs for two weeks might be
> > interesting. So my vote would be for a single weekend
> contest or for a
> > longer period of a couple of weekends plus time in between,
> > encompassing all modes, with no special status given to any mode.
> > Another issue is assisted operation. For the first time
> this year the
> > ARRL EME contest has an assisted category. It is pretty
> much like the
> > way we do our assisted mode in the HSMS contests. I
> personally prefer
> > all random activity, but I bow to the fact that many others like to
> > use assisted contacts during contests. So, if we sponsor a
> > it should probably have an assisted category.
> > Next we need to consider different bands. Is this to be a
> single band
> > contest for 2 meters only, or will it be for any band that
> EME can be
> > worked on? Currently the ARRL EME contest has a separate
> weekend for
> > bands 13 cm and above. This is because it is very difficult for
> > stations that have a lot of bands to put in a reasonable amount of
> > time on each in a single weekend. There are issues of
> changing feeds
> > on dish antennas, etc. But if we made it a longer contest
> > encompassing 2 weekends that would not be so much of a problem. Of
> > course there should be separate categories for single band vs
> > multi-band efforts, and separate certificates awarded to winners of
> > each single band and for multi band.
> > And there needs to be categories for multi-operator efforts too.
> > There is also the question of scheduling. For US and European
> > stations, most prefer weekends with medium to high positive
> > declination of the moon, to give them the maximum moon time that is
> > clear of trees, houses, hills, etc. For southern
> hemisphere stations
> > the opposite is true, but due to the overwhelming number of EME
> > operators in the northern hemisphere, little consideration
> is usually
> > given to the south. In fact, the dates for the ARRL
> International EME
> > Competition are decided by vote. Of course a period with low
> > degradation is required, to give all stations a chance to make
> > contacts.
> > This means examining the calendar and moon tables to see
> what weekends
> > are available that meet the requirements that are decided
> upon. A lot
> > of people have significant interference from trees near their
> > horizons, and wintertime is good for them because leaves are off of
> > the trees. Others will not like the contest in the winter due to
> > severe weather, wind, heavy snow, etc.
> > Personally, I would suggest a contest in February or March,
> but that
> > may be too soon for us to plan for this year. Perhaps April or May
> > would be a better choice.
> > To summarize, I suggest making the contest for all bands, for one
> > weekend, or for a period of 10 days encompassing 2
> weekends. Changes
> > can be made in subsequent years if needed.
> > Well, those are my thoughts, of course I am willing to help with
> > organization, rules, etc.
> > 73, Russ K2TXB
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> > > [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Randy Tipton
> > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:50 PM
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> > > Subject: [wsjtgroup] EME Contest ? ? ?
> > >
> > >
> > > As most members know, the WSJTGROUP sponsors two meteor scatter
> > > contests each year. The two contests sponsored are
> basically for NA
> > > but our membership is from around the globe.
> > > With so many members outside of NA, I personally would
> like to see
> > > an EME global contest scenario that would be sponsored by the
> > > WSJTGROUP.
> > >
> > > If there is any interest please post your comments to the
> > > Probably many qrp stations like me have made only a few
> contacts via
> > > EME. A long duration event maybe with incentives for "High ERP
> > > Stations" to work smaller stations is a possibility. Perhaps an
> > > event that is not too rigid or formal and allows enough
> time for the
> > > casual operators to make some contacts.
> > >
> > > If maybe a couple of stations from each continent could work
> > > together to propose some rules this might develop into something
> > > good. If you're interested in working with such an "EME Contest
> > > Development / Implementation Team" please post on the
> reflector or
> > > directly to me. Note, I do not want to be part of the
> team being as
> > > I have very little EME experience and my plate is full.
> The design
> > > work is probably best left to those with the most experience with
> > > EME.
> > >
> > > By the way, don't forget the NAHSMS contest in December!
> > >
> > > Tip
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