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  • e.carletta
    Anybody know why this occurs ? Same Calls different freq s , different sig levels. Are these op s working split? Mike/K2OI - 1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R
    Message 1 of 11 , Aug 29, 2013
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      Anybody know why this occurs ?
      Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
      Are these op's working split?

      Mike/K2OI


      -

      1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74

      1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74

      1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74

      1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74

      1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10

      ----------------------------------------

      1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

      1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

      1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

      1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

      1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

      1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
      1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

      1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

      1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

      1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

      1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

      1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

      1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

      1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR

      1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13

      ----------------------------------------

      1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64

      1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64

      1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64

      1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64

      ----------------------------------------

      1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

      1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia

      1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37

      1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29

      1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States

      ----------------------------------------

      1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03



      ----------------------------------------

      1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13

      1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13

      1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37

      1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29

      1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States

      ----------------------------------------

      1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73

      1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
    • Jim - N4ST
      Either the transmitting station is driving too hard on his end, or you have too high of gain on your end. One or the other is creating images. I see the
      Message 2 of 11 , Aug 29, 2013
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        Either the transmitting station is driving too hard on his end, or you have
        too high of gain on your end. One or the other is creating images. I see
        the same thing from time to time.
        The images are usually weaker by 20dB or more.

        73,
        Jim - N4ST

        From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        Of e.carletta
        Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 09:20
        To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [wsjtgroup] Multi Receives Mystery WSJT-X v1.2 r3563 JT alert x
        2.4.8

         

        Anybody know why this occurs ?
        Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
        Are these op's working split?

        Mike/K2OI

        -

        1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74

        1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74

        1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74

        1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74

        1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10

        ----------------------------------------

        1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

        1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

        1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

        1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

        1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20

        1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
        1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

        1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

        1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

        1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

        1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

        1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

        1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73

        1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR

        1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13

        ----------------------------------------

        1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64

        1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64

        1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64

        1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64

        ----------------------------------------

        1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States

        1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia

        1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37

        1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29

        1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States

        ----------------------------------------

        1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03

        ----------------------------------------

        1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13

        1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13

        1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37

        1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29

        1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States

        ----------------------------------------

        1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73

        1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
      • Joe Subich, W4TV
        Those are spurs - either on the transmitted signal or being generated in your sound card. Note the first spur is ~24 dB below the primary signal and they
        Message 3 of 11 , Aug 29, 2013
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          Those are spurs - either on the transmitted signal or being generated
          in your sound card. Note the first spur is ~24 dB below the "primary"
          signal and they are multiples of 60 (120) Hz away.

          Either WO4R (and ND4Q) has a significant level of 120 Hz power supply
          hum on his signal or your sound card has a 120 Hz ripple that gets
          mixed with very strong signals (signals > ~-3 dB). It is not possible
          to tell for sure whether these are transmit or receiver generated
          spurs based on the small sample since they are observed on WO4R and
          ND4Q but not VO1OR at a similar signal level. Only more monitoring
          will be able to sort out the source.

          73,

          ... Joe, W4TV


          On 8/29/2013 9:19 AM, e.carletta wrote:
          >
          > Anybody know why this occurs ?
          > Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
          > Are these op's working split?
          >
          > Mike/K2OI
          >
          >
          > -
          >
          > 1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
          >
          > 1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
          >
          > 1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
          >
          > 1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
          >
          > 1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10
          >
          > ----------------------------------------
          >
          > 1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
          >
          > 1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
          >
          > 1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
          >
          > 1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
          >
          > 1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
          >
          > 1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
          > 1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
          >
          > 1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
          >
          > 1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
          >
          > 1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
          >
          > 1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
          >
          > 1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
          >
          > 1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
          >
          > 1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR
          >
          > 1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13
          >
          > ----------------------------------------
          >
          > 1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
          >
          > 1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
          >
          > 1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
          >
          > 1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
          >
          > ----------------------------------------
          >
          > 1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
          >
          > 1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia
          >
          > 1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
          >
          > 1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
          >
          > 1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
          >
          > ----------------------------------------
          >
          > 1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03
          >
          >
          >
          > ----------------------------------------
          >
          > 1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
          >
          > 1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
          >
          > 1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
          >
          > 1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
          >
          > 1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
          >
          > ----------------------------------------
          >
          > 1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73
          >
          > 1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
          >
          >
          >
          >
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        • Joe Subich, W4TV
          ... Not images - mixing products with hum in either the transmitter end or in the sound card. Look at the waterfall or better yet load an audio spectrum
          Message 4 of 11 , Aug 29, 2013
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            > One or the other is creating images.

            Not images - mixing products with hum in either the transmitter
            end or in the sound card. Look at the waterfall or better yet
            load an audio spectrum analyzer with no signal to your sound
            card. If you see a bunch of spikes at 60/120/240/360/etc.
            Hz, the problem is with your sound card. If those spikes are
            only 10 dB above the noise floor with the Windows "Line In" (or
            "microphone" on some sound cards) at maximum, you are probably
            OK (maximum input signal would be perhaps +60 dB).

            73,

            ... Joe, W4TV


            On 8/29/2013 10:57 AM, Jim - N4ST wrote:
            > Either the transmitting station is driving too hard on his end, or you have
            > too high of gain on your end. One or the other is creating images. I see
            > the same thing from time to time.
            > The images are usually weaker by 20dB or more.
            >
            > 73,
            > Jim - N4ST
            >
            > From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
            > Of e.carletta
            > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 09:20
            > To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: [wsjtgroup] Multi Receives Mystery WSJT-X v1.2 r3563 JT alert x
            > 2.4.8
            >
            >
            >
            > Anybody know why this occurs ?
            > Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
            > Are these op's working split?
            >
            > Mike/K2OI
            >
            > -
            >
            > 1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
            >
            > 1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
            >
            > 1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
            >
            > 1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
            >
            > 1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10
            >
            > ----------------------------------------
            >
            > 1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
            >
            > 1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
            >
            > 1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
            >
            > 1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
            >
            > 1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
            >
            > 1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
            > 1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
            >
            > 1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
            >
            > 1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
            >
            > 1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
            >
            > 1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
            >
            > 1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
            >
            > 1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
            >
            > 1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR
            >
            > 1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13
            >
            > ----------------------------------------
            >
            > 1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
            >
            > 1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
            >
            > 1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
            >
            > 1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
            >
            > ----------------------------------------
            >
            > 1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
            >
            > 1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia
            >
            > 1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
            >
            > 1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
            >
            > 1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
            >
            > ----------------------------------------
            >
            > 1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03
            >
            > ----------------------------------------
            >
            > 1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
            >
            > 1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
            >
            > 1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
            >
            > 1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
            >
            > 1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
            >
            > ----------------------------------------
            >
            > 1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73
            >
            > 1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
            >
            >
            >
            >
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          • Joe Subich, W4TV
            Note: If you do not have an audio spectrum analyzer package, a free one (for Windows) is available here: http://www.techmind.org/audio/specanaly.html If the
            Message 5 of 11 , Aug 29, 2013
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              Note: If you do not have an audio spectrum analyzer package,
              a free one (for Windows) is available here:
              http://www.techmind.org/audio/specanaly.html

              If the low frequency spikes (power supply hum, etc.) is more
              than 40 dB below your peak input - for example the the strongest
              tones peak at -10 dB, your no signal noise between 200 and 4000
              Hz peaks at -40 dB and the 120/240 Hz spikes are at -70 to -80
              dB, there will be no mixing in your sound card. If on the other
              hand, the 120/240 Hz peaks are in the -20 to -40 dB range there
              is a good chance that the mixing products are being generated in
              your sound card.

              73,

              ... Joe, W4TV


              On 8/29/2013 11:14 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
              >
              > > One or the other is creating images.
              >
              > Not images - mixing products with hum in either the transmitter
              > end or in the sound card. Look at the waterfall or better yet
              > load an audio spectrum analyzer with no signal to your sound
              > card. If you see a bunch of spikes at 60/120/240/360/etc.
              > Hz, the problem is with your sound card. If those spikes are
              > only 10 dB above the noise floor with the Windows "Line In" (or
              > "microphone" on some sound cards) at maximum, you are probably
              > OK (maximum input signal would be perhaps +60 dB).
              >
              > 73,
              >
              > ... Joe, W4TV
              >
              >
              > On 8/29/2013 10:57 AM, Jim - N4ST wrote:
              >> Either the transmitting station is driving too hard on his end, or you
              >> have
              >> too high of gain on your end. One or the other is creating images.
              >> I see
              >> the same thing from time to time.
              >> The images are usually weaker by 20dB or more.
              >>
              >> 73,
              >> Jim - N4ST
              >>
              >> From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On
              >> Behalf
              >> Of e.carletta
              >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 09:20
              >> To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
              >> Subject: [wsjtgroup] Multi Receives Mystery WSJT-X v1.2 r3563 JT alert x
              >> 2.4.8
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> Anybody know why this occurs ?
              >> Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
              >> Are these op's working split?
              >>
              >> Mike/K2OI
              >>
              >> -
              >>
              >> 1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
              >>
              >> 1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
              >>
              >> 1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
              >>
              >> 1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
              >>
              >> 1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------
              >>
              >> 1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
              >>
              >> 1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
              >>
              >> 1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
              >>
              >> 1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
              >>
              >> 1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
              >>
              >> 1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
              >> 1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
              >>
              >> 1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
              >>
              >> 1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
              >>
              >> 1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
              >>
              >> 1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
              >>
              >> 1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
              >>
              >> 1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
              >>
              >> 1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR
              >>
              >> 1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------
              >>
              >> 1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
              >>
              >> 1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
              >>
              >> 1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
              >>
              >> 1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------
              >>
              >> 1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
              >>
              >> 1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia
              >>
              >> 1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
              >>
              >> 1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
              >>
              >> 1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------
              >>
              >> 1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------
              >>
              >> 1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
              >>
              >> 1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
              >>
              >> 1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
              >>
              >> 1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
              >>
              >> 1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------
              >>
              >> 1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73
              >>
              >> 1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>
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            • Carol & Fred Darrah
              Recently I was helped by several operators to solve the multiple decodes on my transmitted signal. I had muliiple decodes running powers of less than 10 watts.
              Message 6 of 11 , Aug 29, 2013
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                Recently I was helped by several operators to solve the multiple decodes on my transmitted signal. I had muliiple decodes running powers of less than 10 watts. These side band signals may have been present for a length of time. The new wsjtx software has brought this problem out due to it being able to decode very weak signals. The answer to my problem was my transformer type, heavy duty power supply. I had a new power supply on the shelf and changing to it eliminated the problem. I guess one should replace an old power supply at some point in time. Mine was 23 years old and in everyday service. A problem I did not know until other operators alerted me to the problem. Thanks to W0GN for sending me the decodes and trace records.
                Fred  N9GUE



                From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@...>
                To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                Cc: Jim - N4ST <newsgroup@...>; 'e.carletta' <e.carletta@...>
                Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:31 AM
                Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Multi Receives Mystery WSJT-X v1.2 r3563 JT alert x 2.4.8

                 

                Note: If you do not have an audio spectrum analyzer package,
                a free one (for Windows) is available here:
                http://www.techmind.org/audio/specanaly.html

                If the low frequency spikes (power supply hum, etc.) is more
                than 40 dB below your peak input - for example the the strongest
                tones peak at -10 dB, your no signal noise between 200 and 4000
                Hz peaks at -40 dB and the 120/240 Hz spikes are at -70 to -80
                dB, there will be no mixing in your sound card. If on the other
                hand, the 120/240 Hz peaks are in the -20 to -40 dB range there
                is a good chance that the mixing products are being generated in
                your sound card.

                73,

                ... Joe, W4TV

                On 8/29/2013 11:14 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
                >
                > > One or the other is creating images.
                >
                > Not images - mixing products with hum in either the transmitter
                > end or in the sound card. Look at the waterfall or better yet
                > load an audio spectrum analyzer with no signal to your sound
                > card. If you see a bunch of spikes at 60/120/240/360/etc.
                > Hz, the problem is with your sound card. If those spikes are
                > only 10 dB above the noise floor with the Windows "Line In" (or
                > "microphone" on some sound cards) at maximum, you are probably
                > OK (maximum input signal would be perhaps +60 dB).
                >
                > 73,
                >
                > ... Joe, W4TV
                >
                >
                > On 8/29/2013 10:57 AM, Jim - N4ST wrote:
                >> Either the transmitting station is driving too hard on his end, or you
                >> have
                >> too high of gain on your end. One or the other is creating images.
                >> I see
                >> the same thing from time to time.
                >> The images are usually weaker by 20dB or more.
                >>
                >> 73,
                >> Jim - N4ST
                >>
                >> From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On
                >> Behalf
                >> Of e.carletta
                >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 09:20
                >> To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                >> Subject: [wsjtgroup] Multi Receives Mystery WSJT-X v1.2 r3563 JT alert x
                >> 2.4.8
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >> Anybody know why this occurs ?
                >> Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
                >> Are these op's working split?
                >>
                >> Mike/K2OI
                >>
                >> -
                >>
                >> 1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                >>
                >> 1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                >>
                >> 1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                >>
                >> 1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                >>
                >> 1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------
                >>
                >> 1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                >>
                >> 1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                >>
                >> 1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                >>
                >> 1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                >>
                >> 1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                >>
                >> 1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
                >> 1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                >>
                >> 1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                >>
                >> 1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                >>
                >> 1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                >>
                >> 1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                >>
                >> 1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                >>
                >> 1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                >>
                >> 1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR
                >>
                >> 1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------
                >>
                >> 1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                >>
                >> 1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                >>
                >> 1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                >>
                >> 1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------
                >>
                >> 1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                >>
                >> 1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia
                >>
                >> 1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                >>
                >> 1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                >>
                >> 1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------
                >>
                >> 1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------
                >>
                >> 1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                >>
                >> 1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                >>
                >> 1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                >>
                >> 1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                >>
                >> 1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------
                >>
                >> 1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73
                >>
                >> 1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
                >>
                >>
                >>
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              • wo4r_jeff
                Since my signal is being discussed has anyone else noticed these multi decodes. If I have a problem I need to know so I can get it fixed. WO4R Jeff
                Message 7 of 11 , Aug 29, 2013
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                  Since my signal is being discussed has anyone else noticed these multi decodes. If I have a problem I need to know so I can get it fixed.

                  WO4R Jeff

                  --- In wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > Those are spurs - either on the transmitted signal or being generated
                  > in your sound card. Note the first spur is ~24 dB below the "primary"
                  > signal and they are multiples of 60 (120) Hz away.
                  >
                  > Either WO4R (and ND4Q) has a significant level of 120 Hz power supply
                  > hum on his signal or your sound card has a 120 Hz ripple that gets
                  > mixed with very strong signals (signals > ~-3 dB). It is not possible
                  > to tell for sure whether these are transmit or receiver generated
                  > spurs based on the small sample since they are observed on WO4R and
                  > ND4Q but not VO1OR at a similar signal level. Only more monitoring
                  > will be able to sort out the source.
                  >
                  > 73,
                  >
                  > ... Joe, W4TV
                  >
                  >
                  > On 8/29/2013 9:19 AM, e.carletta wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Anybody know why this occurs ?
                  > > Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
                  > > Are these op's working split?
                  > >
                  > > Mike/K2OI
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > -
                  > >
                  > > 1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                  > >
                  > > 1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                  > >
                  > > 1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                  > >
                  > > 1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                  > >
                  > > 1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10
                  > >
                  > > ----------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > 1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                  > >
                  > > 1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                  > >
                  > > 1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                  > >
                  > > 1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                  > >
                  > > 1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                  > >
                  > > 1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
                  > > 1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                  > >
                  > > 1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                  > >
                  > > 1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                  > >
                  > > 1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                  > >
                  > > 1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                  > >
                  > > 1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                  > >
                  > > 1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                  > >
                  > > 1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR
                  > >
                  > > 1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13
                  > >
                  > > ----------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > 1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                  > >
                  > > 1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                  > >
                  > > 1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                  > >
                  > > 1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                  > >
                  > > ----------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                  > >
                  > > 1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > ----------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > 1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ----------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > 1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                  > >
                  > > 1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                  > >
                  > > 1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                  > >
                  > > 1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                  > >
                  > > 1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                  > >
                  > > ----------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > 1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73
                  > >
                  > > 1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
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                  >
                • Rudy Benner
                  Best thing to do is arrange a sked with someone you know and get him to record the exchange, then have him send you the files. You can then make your own
                  Message 8 of 11 , Aug 30, 2013
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                    Best thing to do is arrange a sked with someone you know and get him to record the exchange, then have him send you the files.
                    You can then make your own conclusions.
                    Better yet, do this with more than one station.
                     
                    Monitoring 20 meters right now.
                     
                    ve3bdr rudy
                     
                    From: wo4r_jeff
                    Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:46 PM
                    Subject: [wsjtgroup] Re: Multi Receives Mystery WSJT-X v1.2 r3563 JT alert x 2.4.8
                     
                     

                    Since my signal is being discussed has anyone else noticed these multi decodes. If I have a problem I need to know so I can get it fixed.

                    WO4R Jeff

                    --- In mailto:wsjtgroup%40yahoogroups.com, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@...> wrote:

                    >
                    >
                    > Those are
                    spurs - either on the transmitted signal or being generated
                    > in your
                    sound card. Note the first spur is ~24 dB below the "primary"
                    > signal and
                    they are multiples of 60 (120) Hz away.
                    >
                    > Either WO4R (and ND4Q)
                    has a significant level of 120 Hz power supply
                    > hum on his signal or your
                    sound card has a 120 Hz ripple that gets
                    > mixed with very strong signals
                    (signals > ~-3 dB). It is not possible
                    > to tell for sure whether these
                    are transmit or receiver generated
                    > spurs based on the small sample since
                    they are observed on WO4R and
                    > ND4Q but not VO1OR at a similar signal
                    level. Only more monitoring
                    > will be able to sort out the source.
                    >
                    > 73,
                    >
                    > ... Joe, W4TV
                    >
                    >
                    > On
                    8/29/2013 9:19 AM, e.carletta wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Anybody know why
                    this occurs ?
                    > > Same Calls different freq's , different sig
                    levels.
                    > > Are these op's working split?
                    > >
                    > >
                    Mike/K2OI
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > -
                    > >
                    > >
                    1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                    > >
                    > > 1259 1 1.2 3265 @
                    JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                    > >
                    > > 1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R
                    EM74
                    > >
                    > > 1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                    > >
                    > > 1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10
                    > >
                    > >
                    ----------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > 1301 -24 1.2
                    2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                    > >
                    > > 1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD
                    WO4R R-20
                    > >
                    > > 1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                    > >
                    > > 1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                    > >
                    > >
                    1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                    > >
                    > > 1301 -6 1.2 417 #
                    AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
                    > > 1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                    > >
                    > > 1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                    > >
                    > >
                    1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                    > >
                    > > 1303 -21 1.2 3624 @
                    JN1JYD WO4R 73
                    > >
                    > > 1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R
                    73
                    > >
                    > > 1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                    > >
                    > > 1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                    > >
                    > >
                    1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR
                    > >
                    > > 1303 -16 1.4 995 #
                    BG5JND N2MGT FN13
                    > >
                    > >
                    ----------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > 1304 -1 1.2
                    1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                    > >
                    > > 1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS
                    ND4Q EM64
                    > >
                    > > 1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                    > >
                    > > 1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                    > >
                    > >
                    ----------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -22 1.1
                    2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -23 1.1 2828 @
                    CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ
                    WO4R EM74 ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R
                    EM74 ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74
                    ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74
                    ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74
                    ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74
                    ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74
                    ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74
                    ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74
                    ~United States
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57
                    ~E.pean Russia
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI
                    JN37
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                    > >
                    > > 1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                    > >
                    > > ----------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > 1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > 1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                    > >
                    > > 1307 7 1.1
                    3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                    > >
                    > > 1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI
                    JN37
                    > >
                    > > 1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                    > >
                    > > 1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                    > >
                    > > ----------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > 1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73
                    > >
                    > > 1308 -1 1.1 1407 #
                    KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
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                  • KQ8M
                    I have seen it also. Only once but it was there. I have a feeling it is with the new version. Never saw it before. Also saw three of one signal two 24 dB lower
                    Message 9 of 11 , Aug 30, 2013
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                      I have seen it also. Only once but it was there. I have a feeling it is with the new version. Never saw it before. Also saw three of one signal two 24 dB lower than the main transmit frequency. I have seen others have also experienced this.

                       

                      73,

                      Tim Herrick, KQ8M

                      Charter Member North Coast Contesters

                      kq8m@...

                       

                      AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org

                      User Ports: 23, 7373  with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer

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                      From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wo4r_jeff
                      Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:46 PM
                      To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [wsjtgroup] Re: Multi Receives Mystery WSJT-X v1.2 r3563 JT alert x 2.4.8

                       

                       

                      Since my signal is being discussed has anyone else noticed these multi decodes. If I have a problem I need to know so I can get it fixed.

                      WO4R Jeff

                      --- In wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > Those are spurs - either on the transmitted signal or being generated
                      > in your sound card. Note the first spur is ~24 dB below the "primary"
                      > signal and they are multiples of 60 (120) Hz away.
                      >
                      > Either WO4R (and ND4Q) has a significant level of 120 Hz power supply
                      > hum on his signal or your sound card has a 120 Hz ripple that gets
                      > mixed with very strong signals (signals > ~-3 dB). It is not possible
                      > to tell for sure whether these are transmit or receiver generated
                      > spurs based on the small sample since they are observed on WO4R and
                      > ND4Q but not VO1OR at a similar signal level. Only more monitoring
                      > will be able to sort out the source.
                      >
                      > 73,
                      >
                      > ... Joe, W4TV
                      >
                      >
                      > On 8/29/2013 9:19 AM, e.carletta wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Anybody know why this occurs ?
                      > > Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
                      > > Are these op's working split?
                      > >
                      > > Mike/K2OI
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > -
                      > >
                      > > 1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                      > >
                      > > 1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                      > >
                      > > 1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                      > >
                      > > 1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                      > >
                      > > 1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10
                      > >
                      > > ----------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > 1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                      > >
                      > > 1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                      > >
                      > > 1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                      > >
                      > > 1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                      > >
                      > > 1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                      > >
                      > > 1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
                      > > 1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                      > >
                      > > 1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                      > >
                      > > 1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                      > >
                      > > 1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                      > >
                      > > 1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                      > >
                      > > 1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                      > >
                      > > 1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                      > >
                      > > 1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR
                      > >
                      > > 1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13
                      > >
                      > > ----------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > 1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                      > >
                      > > 1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                      > >
                      > > 1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                      > >
                      > > 1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                      > >
                      > > ----------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                      > >
                      > > 1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > ----------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > 1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > 1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                      > >
                      > > 1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                      > >
                      > > 1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                      > >
                      > > 1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                      > >
                      > > 1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                      > >
                      > > ----------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > 1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73
                      > >
                      > > 1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
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                    • Joe Subich, W4TV
                      The important thing will be to make sure the station you test with has a low local noise and receives a 0dB or stronger signal from you. These spurious
                      Message 10 of 11 , Aug 30, 2013
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                        The important thing will be to make sure the station you test with
                        has a low local noise and receives a "0dB" or stronger signal from
                        you.

                        These "spurious" reports almost always report the "secondary" signals
                        are between 20 and 30 dB weaker than the main signal. Thus, if the
                        decode limit of the software is -20 to -25 dB, the primary signal
                        will need to be at least 0 dB or stronger before the secondary signals
                        rise above the receive station's noise floor.

                        73,

                        ... Joe, W4TV


                        On 8/30/2013 1:10 PM, Rudy Benner wrote:
                        > Best thing to do is arrange a sked with someone you know and get him to record the exchange, then have him send you the files.
                        > You can then make your own conclusions.
                        > Better yet, do this with more than one station.
                        >
                        > Monitoring 20 meters right now.
                        >
                        > ve3bdr rudy
                        >
                        > From: wo4r_jeff
                        > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:46 PM
                        > To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: [wsjtgroup] Re: Multi Receives Mystery WSJT-X v1.2 r3563 JT alert x 2.4.8
                        >
                        >
                        > Since my signal is being discussed has anyone else noticed these multi decodes. If I have a problem I need to know so I can get it fixed.
                        >
                        > WO4R Jeff
                        >
                        > --- In mailto:wsjtgroup%40yahoogroups.com, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@...> wrote:
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> Those are spurs - either on the transmitted signal or being generated
                        >> in your sound card. Note the first spur is ~24 dB below the "primary"
                        >> signal and they are multiples of 60 (120) Hz away.
                        >>
                        >> Either WO4R (and ND4Q) has a significant level of 120 Hz power supply
                        >> hum on his signal or your sound card has a 120 Hz ripple that gets
                        >> mixed with very strong signals (signals > ~-3 dB). It is not possible
                        >> to tell for sure whether these are transmit or receiver generated
                        >> spurs based on the small sample since they are observed on WO4R and
                        >> ND4Q but not VO1OR at a similar signal level. Only more monitoring
                        >> will be able to sort out the source.
                        >>
                        >> 73,
                        >>
                        >> ... Joe, W4TV
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> On 8/29/2013 9:19 AM, e.carletta wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>> Anybody know why this occurs ?
                        >>> Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
                        >>> Are these op's working split?
                        >>>
                        >>> Mike/K2OI
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> -
                        >>>
                        >>> 1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                        >>>
                        >>> 1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                        >>>
                        >>> 1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                        >>>
                        >>> 1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                        >>>
                        >>> 1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> 1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                        >>>
                        >>> 1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                        >>>
                        >>> 1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                        >>>
                        >>> 1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                        >>>
                        >>> 1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                        >>>
                        >>> 1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
                        >>> 1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                        >>>
                        >>> 1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                        >>>
                        >>> 1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                        >>>
                        >>> 1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                        >>>
                        >>> 1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                        >>>
                        >>> 1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                        >>>
                        >>> 1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                        >>>
                        >>> 1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR
                        >>>
                        >>> 1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> 1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                        >>>
                        >>> 1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                        >>>
                        >>> 1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                        >>>
                        >>> 1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                        >>>
                        >>> 1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> 1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> 1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                        >>>
                        >>> 1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                        >>>
                        >>> 1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                        >>>
                        >>> 1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                        >>>
                        >>> 1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> 1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73
                        >>>
                        >>> 1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
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                      • wa4mit
                        These signals are all multiples of +60 one would have to think this is related to 60hz AC getting into the transmit signal somehow. I have seen a lot of 60hz
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                          These signals are all multiples of +60 one would have to think this is related to 60hz AC getting into the transmit signal somehow. I have seen a lot of 60hz modulation of PSK signals this usually resulted in unmodulated carries spaced out 120hz from the offending signal. I really don`t recall any modulation on the spurious carries with PSK. 73 Morris



                          --- In wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com, <lists@...> wrote:

                          The important thing will be to make sure the station you test with
                          has a low local noise and receives a "0dB" or stronger signal from
                          you.

                          These "spurious" reports almost always report the "secondary" signals
                          are between 20 and 30 dB weaker than the main signal. Thus, if the
                          decode limit of the software is -20 to -25 dB, the primary signal
                          will need to be at least 0 dB or stronger before the secondary signals
                          rise above the receive station's noise floor.

                          73,

                          ... Joe, W4TV


                          On 8/30/2013 1:10 PM, Rudy Benner wrote:
                          > Best thing to do is arrange a sked with someone you know and get him to record the exchange, then have him send you the files.
                          > You can then make your own conclusions.
                          > Better yet, do this with more than one station.
                          >
                          > Monitoring 20 meters right now.
                          >
                          > ve3bdr rudy
                          >
                          > From: wo4r_jeff
                          > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:46 PM
                          > To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: [wsjtgroup] Re: Multi Receives Mystery WSJT-X v1.2 r3563 JT alert x 2.4.8
                          >
                          >
                          > Since my signal is being discussed has anyone else noticed these multi decodes. If I have a problem I need to know so I can get it fixed.
                          >
                          > WO4R Jeff
                          >
                          > --- In mailto:wsjtgroup%40yahoogroups.com, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@...> wrote:
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Those are spurs - either on the transmitted signal or being generated
                          >> in your sound card. Note the first spur is ~24 dB below the "primary"
                          >> signal and they are multiples of 60 (120) Hz away.
                          >>
                          >> Either WO4R (and ND4Q) has a significant level of 120 Hz power supply
                          >> hum on his signal or your sound card has a 120 Hz ripple that gets
                          >> mixed with very strong signals (signals > ~-3 dB). It is not possible
                          >> to tell for sure whether these are transmit or receiver generated
                          >> spurs based on the small sample since they are observed on WO4R and
                          >> ND4Q but not VO1OR at a similar signal level. Only more monitoring
                          >> will be able to sort out the source.
                          >>
                          >> 73,
                          >>
                          >> ... Joe, W4TV
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> On 8/29/2013 9:19 AM, e.carletta wrote:
                          >>>
                          >>> Anybody know why this occurs ?
                          >>> Same Calls different freq's , different sig levels.
                          >>> Are these op's working split?
                          >>>
                          >>> Mike/K2OI
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> -
                          >>>
                          >>> 1259 -23 1.2 2905 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                          >>>
                          >>> 1259 1 1.2 3265 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                          >>>
                          >>> 1259 -22 1.3 3625 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                          >>>
                          >>> 1259 -24 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R EM74
                          >>>
                          >>> 1259 -11 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR -10
                          >>>
                          >>> ----------------------------------------
                          >>>
                          >>> 1301 -24 1.2 2904 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                          >>>
                          >>> 1301 -24 1.1 3024 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                          >>>
                          >>> 1301 0 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                          >>>
                          >>> 1301 -24 1.2 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                          >>>
                          >>> 1301 -25 1.2 4225 @ JN1JYD WO4R R-20
                          >>>
                          >>> 1301 -6 1.2 417 # AD7MQ VO1OR RRR
                          >>> 1303 -23 1.2 3144 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                          >>>
                          >>> 1303 5 1.2 3264 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                          >>>
                          >>> 1303 -22 1.1 3504 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                          >>>
                          >>> 1303 -21 1.2 3624 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                          >>>
                          >>> 1303 -23 1.2 4224 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                          >>>
                          >>> 1303 -23 1.2 4344 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                          >>>
                          >>> 1303 -24 1.2 4464 @ JN1JYD WO4R 73
                          >>>
                          >>> 1303 -6 1.1 417 # RR 73GL VO1OR
                          >>>
                          >>> 1303 -16 1.4 995 # BG5JND N2MGT FN13
                          >>>
                          >>> ----------------------------------------
                          >>>
                          >>> 1304 -1 1.2 1757 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                          >>>
                          >>> 1304 -21 1.2 1997 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                          >>>
                          >>> 1304 -20 1.2 2117 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                          >>>
                          >>> 1304 -21 1.2 3077 # WB9RAS ND4Q EM64
                          >>>
                          >>> ----------------------------------------
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -22 1.1 2708 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -23 1.1 2828 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -22 1.1 2948 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 4 1.1 3068 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -23 1.2 3188 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -23 1.1 3308 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -22 1.1 3428 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -25 1.2 4028 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -25 1.1 4148 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -25 1.1 4268 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -22 1.2 4388 @ CQ WO4R EM74 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -17 1.5 268 # CQ UA1ZGI KP57 ~E.pean Russia
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -17 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -1 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                          >>>
                          >>> 1305 -5 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> ----------------------------------------
                          >>>
                          >>> 1306 -8 1.1 800 # N1CPL K4KQZ R-03
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ----------------------------------------
                          >>>
                          >>> 1307 -26 1.1 2828 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                          >>>
                          >>> 1307 7 1.1 3068 @ JA3CG WO4R -13
                          >>>
                          >>> 1307 -16 1.4 995 # VU2TRI HB9ARI JN37
                          >>>
                          >>> 1307 -2 1.1 1225 # RW9YE VO1OR GN29
                          >>>
                          >>> 1307 -7 1.1 1406 # CQ KF4RWA EM63 ~United States
                          >>>
                          >>> ----------------------------------------
                          >>>
                          >>> 1308 -1 1.1 800 # TU 5W OCF 73
                          >>>
                          >>> 1308 -1 1.1 1407 # KF4RWA KD0PMW EM48
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
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