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5151RE: [wsjtgroup] Re: Clock sync

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  • Barry Garratt
    Sep 4, 2008
      I can't speak for users using Vista but as far as XP goes D4 runs just fine.
      It and other NTP programs though have a tendency to fight with Windows build in NTP Service.
      To cure this problem it is only a simple case of going into the SERVICES folder, which is found
      under ADMINISTRATION TOOLS on the Control Panel. Once there scroll down the list of services
      to the one labeled WINDOWS TIME. If it is running then first stop the service. Then right click
      on it, select PROPERTIES and then select DISABLE in the STARTUP TYPE menu option.
      By doing that the only NTP program running will be D4 or whatever other NTP program you
      have decided to use.
      You should disable Windows NTP Service regardless of whatever NTP program you use unless
      of course you are using the Windows Service as your standard.
      There are a multitude of agencies providing NTP service around the world so the choice is up
      to the individual user. The key is to use one that is close to your location. It makes no sense
      to use one half way across the country just because someone else does. The one I use is only
      8 miles away at the University of Las Vegas for example.
      Hope this perhaps helps someone still struggling with timing issues.
      Barry VE3CDX/W7

      From: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Al
      Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 3:20 PM
      To: wsjtgroup@yahoogroups.com; k4ymq
      Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Re: Clock sync

      Hello All:
      It sounds like all D4 users who are having problems need to change to Automachron from http://oneguycoding .com/ 
      I have used it for a long, long time. I use clepsydra.dec. com for the host, but you can use 1.us.pool.ntp. org or 2.us.pool.ntp. org  or 0.us.pool.ntp. org 
      Options are pretty self explanatory. I update every  360 seconds.
      Al WA4EWV
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: k4ymq
      Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:30 PM
      Subject: [wsjtgroup] Re: Clock sync

      D4 has been a real stinko as far as getting it to run and continue to
      run while computer is on. I never had any problem until I got new PC
      running XP.. D4 would timeout with error msg not able to connect... I
      updated to ver. 5 which is supposed to run with XP and use the
      recommened time site (http) also. It works perfect on bootup, but
      will usually fail on the next attempt to check time. any one else
      having this problem or had it and resolved the problem.
      Ira K4YMQ
      --- In wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com, "Randy Tipton" <wa5ufh@...> wrote:
      > I used to run D4 with my old XP Dell PC. I needed to have the time
      > every 5 minutes in order to have the correct time.
      > After changing to "Windows Vista" I no longer use D4. I have the
      > system reset my clock every 4 hours. The new PC keeps very accurate
      > (It is a Dell also but much better than the old one) The better
      > probably not a function of the operating system???
      > For information on how to set up the paramemeters using windows
      Vista, see
      > this link...
      > http://www.howtogee k.com/howto/ windows-vista/ dealing-with- windows-
      vista-time-sync- problems/
      > Vista default is 7 days. I suggest following the directions and
      setting the
      > time sync update interval to every hour. If not often enough, then
      adjust as
      > needed. I no longer use D4 thus one less application open!
      > Works for me. XP automatic time update was a weak link, Vista much
      > Tip
      > WA5UFH
      > From: "Charles Miller" <n6kw@...>
      > To: "Bill W5WVO" <w5wvo@...>
      > Cc: <mike.kc9doa@ ...>; <wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com>
      > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:40 PM
      > Subject: Re: [wsjtgroup] Clock sync
      > > If you're using Dimension 4 or similar time-setting software,
      > > you need to disable the Windows time-set anyway. They don't play
      > > well together.
      > >
      > > 73, Chuck N6KW
      > >
      > > Bill W5WVO wrote:
      > >> Here's something I just ran across on SmartComputing. com, which I
      > >> subscribe to:
      > >>
      > >> "/WinXP automatically sets your clock on a weekly basis.*
      *Please note,
      > >> however, that some computers with unusual hardware
      configurations lose
      > >> time if you enable automatic synchronization. If your PC loses
      more than
      > >> five minutes a day, Microsoft recommends disabling this
      > >>
      > >> If you are running WinXP (or Vista, presumably, though I don't
      > >> you might want to check and see if you have automatic
      > >> time synchronization enabled, and if so, turn it off.
      > >>
      > >> Bill W5WVO
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > >> *From:* Bill W5WVO <mailto:w5wvo@ ...>
      > >> *To:* mike.kc9doa@ ... <mailto:mike. kc9doa@.. .> ;
      > >> wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com>
      > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:19 PM
      > >> *Subject:* Re: [wsjtgroup] Clock sync
      > >>
      > >> The hardware real-time clock (RTC) on your motherboard is
      > >> the equivalent of a cheap battery-operated wristwatch,
      nowadays all
      > >> self-contained in a small module, or even embedded in the
      > >> motherboard chipset. Your computer reads the time from the
      > >> RTC when it is booted up, and based on this reading, it
      starts a
      > >> software RTC service that runs as long as the computer OS is
      > >> running. The hardware RTC is normally not consulted again
      > >> reboot.
      > >>
      > >> This software RTC that displays time on your desktop is
      actually a
      > >> Windows OS service that depends upon the regularity of a BIOS
      > >> interrupt. As you might imagine, the "regularity" of an
      > >> occuring (and being promptly handled) could certainly be
      affected by
      > >> any number of factors in the computer's run-time environment.
      > >>
      > >> If your clock is losing a lot of time WHILE THE COMPUTER IS
      > >> then there are probably some processes you have invoked that
      > >> slowing down the clock.
      > >> It could be that your CPU is loaded up to the gills much of
      the time
      > >> by all the stuff you are running simultaneously. If that's
      > >> problem, you need to unburden it by closing any unnecessary
      > >> apps/processes/ services. Or maybe it's just time to upgrade
      > >> computer to something a lot faster and more capable,
      something that
      > >> can keep up with all the stuff you're wanting it to do at
      the same
      > >> time. :-)
      > >>
      > >> There is actually a fair amount of stuff available online
      > >> this. Google "RTC losing time" or similar, and do some
      > >>
      > >> Bill W5VWO
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > >> *From:* Mike Miller <mailto:mike. kc9doa@.. .>
      > >> *To:* wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com
      > >> <mailto:wsjtgroup@yahoogrou ps.com>
      > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 02, 2008 4:04 PM
      > >> *Subject:* [wsjtgroup] Clock sync
      > >>
      > >> My computer's clock loses about .175 seconds per minute.
      Is this
      > >> more than normal for a PC?
      > >>
      > >> I have Dimension 4 correcting the time every 2 minutes
      but this
      > >> seems like an unnecessary load on the time server. Is
      there a
      > >> way to reduce the clock error? Is there a program that
      > >> apply a correction factor locally and reduce the need
      check the
      > >> time server?
      > >>
      > >> Mike kc9doa
      > >>
      > >>
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