Re: [worldlanglist] Re: Worldlang unification
- On 4/11/12, lingwadeplaneta <lingwadeplaneta@...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, risto@... wrote:It is an illusion. C. S. Lewis wrote of a man "trying to get a
> Looks like you have an idea that via a certain thorough research one can dig
> out a certain "objective" worldlang, not dependent on personal whims, and
> that such an objective, "scientific" approach will persuade more people to
> use the resulting language, and that generally this is the only serious way
> to go and to achieve something great.
> You may be right, but it may also be an illusion.
conclusion in the imperative mood out of premisses in the indicative
mood: and though he continues trying to all eternity he cannot
succeed, for the thing is impossible."
Science yields answers in the indicative: mere statements of fact. The
axioms and goals that make such statements meaningful and useful are
not among its findings.
Even slightly differing
> approaches may give very different results. Perhaps there may be manyThe last time I looked, the lot of you couldn't even agree what
> "well-founded and indisputable" worldlangs.
"neutrality" was. How, then, can you agree on methods to achieve it,
even if you begin with the same data? Further, Risto believes in
lexical quotas; the rest of you really don't. How can you possibly
generate similar lexicons with such dissimilar starting points?
Further, Pandunia is still in its early stages, so even a major
lexical overhaul wouldn't hurt it. LdP has the beginnings of a corpus
and some users. It's a bit late to make core changes, and it would be
worse by the time the potential changes were identified, because even
if people were as keen for the job as Risto thinks, it would still
take considerable time.
There is a tide in the affairs of men.
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat,
And we must take the current when it serves,
Or lose our ventures.
Julius Caesar Act 4, scene 3, 218–224
LdP wouldn't have to wait long to lose the tide. So while it would be
nice to have the kind of lexical agreement typical of westlangs,
worldlangs will have to get along without it--which unfortunately does
somewhat diminish their appeal.
- Okay, seems like this idea is not getting any wind. Let's continue with
the same old "we are divided but willing to conquer" tactics then.
- I'm writing from my phone so I won't make this very long. I don't mind doing some more work on the language we were working on, but who else do you hope to involve?
Incidentally, I don't personally feel that the engineering aspects are so key. I think it's more an issue of: what does this language offer that is special and fun? No engineering brilliance is likely to convince people to go away from Enlish and other big natural languages.
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On 2012/04/12, at 18:23, risto@... wrote:
> Okay, seems like this idea is not getting any wind. Let's continue with
> the same old "we are divided but willing to conquer" tactics then.
> -- Risto
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