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  • Joe Edgell
    Lots of folks in this forum are hobbyists who love getting old copies of WordPerfect running on their Mac. Unless you re such a hobbyist, I would suggest one
    Message 1 of 15 , Jun 25, 2008
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      Lots of folks in this forum are hobbyists who love getting old copies
      of WordPerfect running on their Mac. Unless you're such a hobbyist, I
      would suggest one of several options:

      1. Download a free copy of NeoOffice which can open them, but must
      then save to Word or Opendoc format. It's free and can be found at http://www.neooffice.org/

      2. Purchase a copy of MacLinkPlus Deluxe which does a decent job of
      converting back and forth between formats, including WordPerfect and
      Word. Trial versions can be downloaded from http://www.maclinkplus.com/

      3. Install Windows on your Mac using Parallels desktop for Mac (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/
      ) or VMWare's Fusion (http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/). You
      will, of course, need a licensed copy of Windows.

      Hope this helps. I'm sure others will chime in with their faves......

      Joe



      On 25 Jun 2008, at 12:22, ekvaters wrote:

      > After many years on the windows system using Wordperfect,
      > I have bought a Macbook Pro. I have transferred my
      > Wordperfect (and Word) documents onto my Mac. I would
      > like to know what I can do to open the Wordperfect (.wpd)
      > documents.
      >
      >
      >



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    • Diane Mettam
      I ve had great luck with Parallels running Windows XP. Despite Parallels claim to run W2K, I could never get it to completely install. I ve made a few
      Message 2 of 15 , Jun 25, 2008
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        I've had great luck with Parallels running Windows XP.
        Despite Parallels claim to run W2K, I could never get
        it to completely install.

        I've made a few concessions. I only use WP for
        booklets - WP is the ONLY word processor that could
        subdivide pages and then logically print the pages so
        that you could come out with a book with pages 1 and
        8, and 2 and 7 on opposite sides, for instance.

        I dearly miss the "Make It Fit" option, and can't seem
        to find it's equivalent in any other program. I so
        hate having a few lines of spare print on a final
        page.

        I also miss being able to right, center, or left
        justify on the same line, and of course "Reveal Codes"
        is sadly missed, but I will give these things up and
        learn to live with Neo Office for the joy of running
        my Mac 90% of the time.

        Thanks for the info on maclinkplus. That's a new one
        to me! Diane

        --- Joe Edgell <joeedgell@...> wrote:

        > Lots of folks in this forum are hobbyists who love
        > getting old copies
        > of WordPerfect running on their Mac. Unless you're
        > such a hobbyist, I
        > would suggest one of several options:
        >
        > 1. Download a free copy of NeoOffice which can open
        > them, but must
        > then save to Word or Opendoc format. It's free and
        > can be found at http://www.neooffice.org/
        >
        > 2. Purchase a copy of MacLinkPlus Deluxe which does
        > a decent job of
        > converting back and forth between formats, including
        > WordPerfect and
        > Word. Trial versions can be downloaded from
        > http://www.maclinkplus.com/
        >
        > 3. Install Windows on your Mac using Parallels
        > desktop for Mac
        > (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/
        > ) or VMWare's Fusion
        > (http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/). You
        > will, of course, need a licensed copy of Windows.
        >
        > Hope this helps. I'm sure others will chime in with
        > their faves......
        >
        > Joe
        >
        >
        >
        > On 25 Jun 2008, at 12:22, ekvaters wrote:
        >
        > > After many years on the windows system using
        > Wordperfect,
        > > I have bought a Macbook Pro. I have transferred my
        > > Wordperfect (and Word) documents onto my Mac. I
        > would
        > > like to know what I can do to open the Wordperfect
        > (.wpd)
        > > documents.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been
        > removed]
        >
        >
      • John Rethorst
        ... Diane, this is very interesting. Past posts on this list have asked about booklet printing, and various solutions, or partial solutions, have been offered,
        Message 3 of 15 , Jun 25, 2008
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          --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Diane Mettam <dmettam@...> wrote:

          > I've made a few concessions. I only use WP for
          > booklets - WP is the ONLY word processor that could
          > subdivide pages and then logically print the pages so
          > that you could come out with a book with pages 1 and
          > 8, and 2 and 7 on opposite sides, for instance.

          Diane, this is very interesting. Past posts on this list have
          asked about booklet printing, and various solutions, or
          partial solutions, have been offered, but you may have a
          better solution. Could you post a step-by-step guide? I
          can put a copy in the Files section here for permanent
          reference.

          Thanks,
          John R.
        • George B. Richardson
          Hi, Diane, Word has a Make It Fit equivalent called Shrink to fit . I use it so often that I elevated it to my standard toolbar. I don t remember exactly
          Message 4 of 15 , Jun 26, 2008
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            Hi, Diane, Word has a "Make It Fit" equivalent called "Shrink to
            fit". I use it so often that I elevated it to my standard toolbar. I
            don't remember exactly where it is in Word, but if you search Word
            Help for Shrink to fit, it should show up.

            As for MacLinkPlus Deluxe, I own the current version and have owned
            its prior incarnations for close to 20 years. It's a great program,
            but I now find that I virtually never use it because the applications
            that I use already have translators. I also found that MLP does not
            do anywhere near as good a job as NeoOffice in translating and
            retaining the formatting in WP documents. NeoOffice's limitation, as
            noted, is that you cannot save it as a WP document.

            By the way, Joe, I don't know that folks who simply prefer WP to
            other word processing programs would appreciate being characterized
            as "hobbyists".

            Over to you,

            George Richardson



            At 9:20 PM -0700 6/25/08, Diane Mettam wrote:
            >I've had great luck with Parallels running Windows XP. Despite
            >Parallels claim to run W2K, I could never get it to completely
            >install.
            >
            >I've made a few concessions. I only use WP for booklets - WP is the
            >ONLY word processor that could subdivide pages and then logically
            >print the pages so that you could come out with a book with pages 1
            >and 8, and 2 and 7 on opposite sides, for instance.
            >
            >I dearly miss the "Make It Fit" option, and can't seem to find it's
            >equivalent in any other program. I so hate having a few lines of
            >spare print on a final page.
            >
            >I also miss being able to right, center, or left justify on the same
            >line, and of course "Reveal Codes" is sadly missed, but I will give
            >these things up and learn to live with Neo Office for the joy of
            >running my Mac 90% of the time.
            >
            >Thanks for the info on maclinkplus. That's a new one to me! Diane
            >
            >--- Joe Edgell <<mailto:joeedgell%40mac.com>joeedgell@...> wrote:
            >
            >>Lots of folks in this forum are hobbyists who love getting old
            >>copies of WordPerfect running on their Mac. Unless you're such a
            >>hobbyist, I would suggest one of several options:
            >>
            >>1. Download a free copy of NeoOffice which can open them, but must
            >>then save to Word or Opendoc format. It's free and can be found at
            >><http://www.neooffice.org/>http://www.neooffice.org/>
            >>
            >>2. Purchase a copy of MacLinkPlus Deluxe which does a decent job of
            >>converting back and forth between formats, including WordPerfect
            >>and Word. Trial versions can be downloaded from
            >><http://www.maclinkplus.com/>http://www.maclinkplus.com/>
            >>
            >>3. Install Windows on your Mac using Parallels
            >>desktop for Mac <http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/> or
            >>VMWare's Fusion
            >>(<http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/>. You will, of course,
            >>need a licensed copy of Windows.
            >>
            >>Hope this helps. I'm sure others will chime in with their faves......
            >>
            >>Joe
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>>On 25 Jun 2008, at 12:22, ekvaters wrote:
            >>>
            After many years on the windows system using Wordperfect, I have
            bought a Macbook Pro. I have transferred my Wordperfect (and Word)
            documents onto my Mac. I would like to know what I can do to open the
            Wordperfect (.wpd) documents.
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          • John Rethorst
            ... Agreed. If you keep the old turntable and tube amp running for their antique value, you re clearly a hobbyist. If you do so because you subscribe to the
            Message 5 of 15 , Jun 26, 2008
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              --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "George B. Richardson" <gbr@...> wrote:

              > By the way, Joe, I don't know that folks who simply prefer WP to
              > other word processing programs would appreciate being characterized
              > as "hobbyists".

              Agreed. If you keep the old turntable and tube amp running for their
              antique value, you're clearly a hobbyist. If you do so because you
              subscribe to the sizable body of serious opinion holding that analog
              sound is better than its replacement, you are not a hobbyist; you
              simply like listening to high quality sound reproduction.

              If you keep the old Leica in repair for historical reasons, you're a
              hobbyist. If you do so since you judge its image quality better
              than that 10 megapixel computer with a lens in front of it, you are
              not a hobbyist; you simply like high quality photographs.

              Newer ain't always better. I switched from MS Word to WP because
              it was the best writing tool I could find. I still think so.

              John R.
            • Rick Albright
              I know I m drifting off-topic a bit here, but can t resist making a few connections. 1) Recent news stories report a steady increase in sales of vinyl LPs and
              Message 6 of 15 , Jun 27, 2008
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                I know I'm drifting off-topic a bit here, but can't resist making a
                few connections. 1) Recent news stories report a steady increase in
                sales of vinyl LPs and turntables over the past few years. 2) There's
                one place where the term "tube amp" is not an anachronism: most
                electric guitarists still prefer the sound of tube amps, which
                continue to be made. (In fact the whole world of vintage guitars
                seems to be in opposition to our culture's desire for the latest and
                greatest, with the 1950s seen as the Golden Age). 3) I still
                regularly use my 1976 Nikon F2 and 1969 FTN, because I prefer their
                picture quality, though I do make a concession to modernity by
                getting photo CDs from Kodak--and I'm laboriously scanning and color
                correcting thousands of fading slides to try to preserve them. I
                don't consider myself a Luddite.

                BTW, closer to the topic at hand: I'm finishing up a book manuscript
                in WordPerfect. (It's an academic book.) Much as I love the program,
                I had been giving serious thought to doing future academic writing in
                Word, just because it seems so inevitable and universal; but all the
                previous drafts of this book were in WordPerfect, so I figured I may
                as well continue for the time being. My attitude was, okay, I'll do
                this one in WordPerfect, and then think about changing over. Now I'm
                less sure. Part of it is the comfort level; I'm more familiar with
                the WP way of doing things, and, yes, I can usually do it in Word,
                but it takes me longer and seems harder to do. And WP's amazingly
                powerful macro language, and John Rethorst's sets of macros, seem
                unparalleled. As one example, I was able to do some things that gave
                me a level of control over the formatting of my endnotes that just
                didn't seem possible (or easy) In Word. I don't want to rekindle that
                old Word vs. WordPerfect debate here. (And no doubt, Word experts
                would say that I could do everything I needed to in Word.) I'm just
                bringing this up to say that working so intensely with WP again has
                made me realize anew just how unique it is. And because I had to
                reformat almost the entire document in a different style, I can't
                even calculate how much time I saved by using Reveal Codes, because I
                was able to completely eliminate any unexpected wacky formatting by
                knowing just where to position the cursor when I made a change. All
                stuff that has been said before, but worth repeating, I guess.

                Thanks to John and all the knowledgeable, helpful people on this list.

                Rick Albright

                On Jun 26, 2008, at 7:59 PM, John Rethorst wrote:
                > Agreed. If you keep the old turntable and tube amp running for their
                > antique value, you're clearly a hobbyist. If you do so because you
                > subscribe to the sizable body of serious opinion holding that analog
                > sound is better than its replacement, you are not a hobbyist; you
                > simply like listening to high quality sound reproduction.
                >
                > If you keep the old Leica in repair for historical reasons, you're a
                > hobbyist. If you do so since you judge its image quality better
                > than that 10 megapixel computer with a lens in front of it, you are
                > not a hobbyist; you simply like high quality photographs.
                >
                > Newer ain't always better. I switched from MS Word to WP because
                > it was the best writing tool I could find. I still think so.
                >
              • Diane Mettam
                Well put, Rick! Diane ... From: Rick Albright To: wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 6:14:50 AM Subject: Re:
                Message 7 of 15 , Jun 27, 2008
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                  Well put, Rick! Diane


                  ----- Original Message ----
                  From: Rick Albright <logres@...>
                  To: wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 6:14:50 AM
                  Subject: Re: [wpmac] Re: "hobbyists" (was: From Windows/wordperfect to Macbook Pro)


                  I know I'm drifting off-topic a bit here, but can't resist making a
                  few connections. 1) Recent news stories report a steady increase in
                  sales of vinyl LPs and turntables over the past few years. 2) There's
                  one place where the term "tube amp" is not an anachronism: most
                  electric guitarists still prefer the sound of tube amps, which
                  continue to be made. (In fact the whole world of vintage guitars
                  seems to be in opposition to our culture's desire for the latest and
                  greatest, with the 1950s seen as the Golden Age). 3) I still
                  regularly use my 1976 Nikon F2 and 1969 FTN, because I prefer their
                  picture quality, though I do make a concession to modernity by
                  getting photo CDs from Kodak--and I'm laboriously scanning and color
                  correcting thousands of fading slides to try to preserve them. I
                  don't consider myself a Luddite.

                  BTW, closer to the topic at hand: I'm finishing up a book manuscript
                  in WordPerfect. (It's an academic book.) Much as I love the program,
                  I had been giving serious thought to doing future academic writing in
                  Word, just because it seems so inevitable and universal; but all the
                  previous drafts of this book were in WordPerfect, so I figured I may
                  as well continue for the time being. My attitude was, okay, I'll do
                  this one in WordPerfect, and then think about changing over. Now I'm
                  less sure. Part of it is the comfort level; I'm more familiar with
                  the WP way of doing things, and, yes, I can usually do it in Word,
                  but it takes me longer and seems harder to do. And WP's amazingly
                  powerful macro language, and John Rethorst's sets of macros, seem
                  unparalleled. As one example, I was able to do some things that gave
                  me a level of control over the formatting of my endnotes that just
                  didn't seem possible (or easy) In Word. I don't want to rekindle that
                  old Word vs. WordPerfect debate here. (And no doubt, Word experts
                  would say that I could do everything I needed to in Word.) I'm just
                  bringing this up to say that working so intensely with WP again has
                  made me realize anew just how unique it is. And because I had to
                  reformat almost the entire document in a different style, I can't
                  even calculate how much time I saved by using Reveal Codes, because I
                  was able to completely eliminate any unexpected wacky formatting by
                  knowing just where to position the cursor when I made a change. All
                  stuff that has been said before, but worth repeating, I guess.

                  Thanks to John and all the knowledgeable, helpful people on this list.

                  Rick Albright

                  On Jun 26, 2008, at 7:59 PM, John Rethorst wrote:
                  > Agreed. If you keep the old turntable and tube amp running for their
                  > antique value, you're clearly a hobbyist. If you do so because you
                  > subscribe to the sizable body of serious opinion holding that analog
                  > sound is better than its replacement, you are not a hobbyist; you
                  > simply like listening to high quality sound reproduction.
                  >
                  > If you keep the old Leica in repair for historical reasons, you're a
                  > hobbyist. If you do so since you judge its image quality better
                  > than that 10 megapixel computer with a lens in front of it, you are
                  > not a hobbyist; you simply like high quality photographs.
                  >
                  > Newer ain't always better. I switched from MS Word to WP because
                  > it was the best writing tool I could find. I still think so.
                  >


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                • Joe Edgell
                  Sorry it s taken me so long to respond, George, but I ve been out of the Country. As for hobbyist term, I don t see anything derogatory about it at all. I
                  Message 8 of 15 , Jun 30, 2008
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                    Sorry it's taken me so long to respond, George, but I've been out of
                    the Country. As for "hobbyist" term, I don't see anything derogatory
                    about it at all. I bicycle quite a bit. I'm not a professional
                    cyclist, and I'm not a casual cyclist. Seems "hobbyist" probably
                    describes me well, and I would not be offended to be called such. In
                    fact, Apple's included Dictionary utility which pulls from the Oxford
                    American Dictionary, among others, lists this definition:



                    How bad can that be?

                    Joe



                    On 26 Jun 2008, at 17:34, George B. Richardson wrote:

                    > By the way, Joe, I don't know that folks who simply prefer WP to
                    > other word processing programs would appreciate being characterized
                    > as "hobbyists".



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                  • Joe Edgell
                    According to the dictionary I cited in a prior post, an activity done regularly in one s leisure time for pleasure is a hobby and a person who pursues that
                    Message 9 of 15 , Jun 30, 2008
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                      According to the dictionary I cited in a prior post, "an activity done
                      regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure" is a "hobby" and a
                      person who pursues that activity is a "hobbyist." So, I think both of
                      your examples, each person clearly would be a hobbyist. That is,
                      unless the really don't like doing those activities or they don't do
                      them in their leisure time.

                      Joe



                      On 26 Jun 2008, at 19:59, John Rethorst wrote:

                      > Agreed. If you keep the old turntable and tube amp running for their
                      > antique value, you're clearly a hobbyist. If you do so because you
                      > subscribe to the sizable body of serious opinion holding that analog
                      > sound is better than its replacement, you are not a hobbyist; you
                      > simply like listening to high quality sound reproduction.
                      >
                      > If you keep the old Leica in repair for historical reasons, you're a
                      > hobbyist. If you do so since you judge its image quality better
                      > than that 10 megapixel computer with a lens in front of it, you are
                      > not a hobbyist; you simply like high quality photographs.



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                    • Joe Edgell
                      Odd. Apparently the text from my earlier message with the definition was deleted. Here s that definition of hobbyist: a person who pursues a particular
                      Message 10 of 15 , Jun 30, 2008
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                        Odd. Apparently the text from my earlier message with the definition
                        was deleted. Here's that definition of hobbyist:

                        "a person who pursues a particular hobby: a computer hobbyist."

                        And the definition of hobby:

                        "an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure"



                        On 30 Jun 2008, at 06:19, Joe Edgell wrote:

                        > Sorry it's taken me so long to respond, George, but I've been out of
                        > the Country. As for "hobbyist" term, I don't see anything derogatory
                        > about it at all. I bicycle quite a bit. I'm not a professional
                        > cyclist, and I'm not a casual cyclist. Seems "hobbyist" probably
                        > describes me well, and I would not be offended to be called such. In
                        > fact, Apple's included Dictionary utility which pulls from the Oxford
                        > American Dictionary, among others, lists this definition:
                        >
                        > How bad can that be?
                        >
                        > Joe
                        >
                        > On 26 Jun 2008, at 17:34, George B. Richardson wrote:
                        >
                        > > By the way, Joe, I don't know that folks who simply prefer WP to
                        > > other word processing programs would appreciate being characterized
                        > > as "hobbyists".
                        >
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                        >
                        >
                        >
                      • Edward Mendelson
                        I ve been using Microsoft Word for Windows to do exactly that for many years. A web search will show the method easily. I used to print booklets in WP, but
                        Message 11 of 15 , Jul 2, 2008
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                          I've been using Microsoft Word for Windows to do exactly that for
                          many years. A web search will show the method easily. I used to
                          print booklets in WP, but then I needed to use some accented
                          letters that WP only supported in its generic international fonts,
                          so I switched my booklet printing to Word.

                          --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Diane Mettam <dmettam@...> wrote:

                          > I've made a few concessions. I only use WP for
                          > booklets - WP is the ONLY word processor that could
                          > subdivide pages and then logically print the pages so
                          > that you could come out with a book with pages 1 and
                          > 8, and 2 and 7 on opposite sides, for instance.
                        • Michael
                          ... Thanks Diane. He doesn t have Word for Windoze. He has a MAC. Mike
                          Message 12 of 15 , Jul 2, 2008
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                            --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Mendelson" <emendelson@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > I've been using Microsoft Word for Windows to do exactly that for
                            > many years. A web search will show the method easily. I used to
                            > print booklets in WP, but then I needed to use some accented
                            > letters that WP only supported in its generic international fonts,
                            > so I switched my booklet printing to Word.
                            >
                            > --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Diane Mettam <dmettam@> wrote:
                            >
                            > > I've made a few concessions. I only use WP for
                            > > booklets - WP is the ONLY word processor that could
                            > > subdivide pages and then logically print the pages so
                            > > that you could come out with a book with pages 1 and
                            > > 8, and 2 and 7 on opposite sides, for instance.

                            Thanks Diane. He doesn't have Word for Windoze. He has a MAC.

                            Mike
                          • Bruce Rogers
                            Hello. I m a new member of this discussion group. I m currently a WordPerfect for Windows user, contemplating replacing my Dell laptop and considering an Apple
                            Message 13 of 15 , Jul 2, 2008
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                              Hello. I'm a new member of this discussion group.

                              I'm currently a WordPerfect for Windows user, contemplating replacing
                              my Dell laptop and considering an Apple product for that replacement.

                              My firm uses WordPerfect as the word processor of choice (on Windows
                              machines). So I am wondering whether there is an implementation of
                              WordPerfect for a current generation of Apple laptop that would allow
                              me to remain integrated with the Windows-based group I work with.

                              I suppose one option is to run windows on a partition on the Apple
                              laptop, and to install WordPerfect for Windows and run it from that
                              partition. However I was kind of hoping to get away from the
                              perpetual operability hassles I have had to put up with since I
                              stopped using a Mac 15 years ago. Maybe that's just not a practical dream.

                              Any suggestions?

                              Bruce Rogers
                              Dallas/Fort Worth
                            • Joe Edgell
                              The oft quoted solutions, Bruce, are either the separate Windows partition and running WordPerfect under Windows using Bootcamp, the more elegant solution of
                              Message 14 of 15 , Jul 3, 2008
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                                The oft quoted solutions, Bruce, are either the separate Windows
                                partition and running WordPerfect under Windows using Bootcamp, the
                                more elegant solution of running Windows within your Mac using
                                Parallels desktop or VMWare's Fusion, or converting the documents
                                using Dataviz's MacLinkPlus Deluxe. The easiest solution, if the most
                                expensive, is the VMWare or Parallels solution.


                                On 2 Jul 2008, at 12:20, Bruce Rogers wrote:

                                > Hello. I'm a new member of this discussion group.
                                >
                                > I'm currently a WordPerfect for Windows user, contemplating replacing
                                > my Dell laptop and considering an Apple product for that replacement.
                                >
                                > My firm uses WordPerfect as the word processor of choice (on Windows
                                > machines). So I am wondering whether there is an implementation of
                                > WordPerfect for a current generation of Apple laptop that would allow
                                > me to remain integrated with the Windows-based group I work with.
                                >
                                > I suppose one option is to run windows on a partition on the Apple
                                > laptop, and to install WordPerfect for Windows and run it from that
                                > partition. However I was kind of hoping to get away from the
                                > perpetual operability hassles I have had to put up with since I
                                > stopped using a Mac 15 years ago. Maybe that's just not a practical
                                > dream.
                                >
                                > Any suggestions?
                                >
                                > Bruce Rogers
                                > Dallas/Fort Worth
                                >
                                >
                                >



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