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RE: [wpmac] Re: _xx files

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  • Gilbert, Geoffrey S
    John I have neither backup activated. I rely on Cmd-S. I thought it might be the cause. Geoff ... From: wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John
    Message 1 of 13 , Jul 11, 2005
      John

      I have neither backup activated. I rely on Cmd-S. I thought it might be the cause.

      Geoff


      -----Original Message-----
      From: wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John Rethorst
      Sent: Mon 7/11/2005 8:32 PM
      To: wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [wpmac] Re: _xx files

      --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@a... wrote:

      > could it have something to do
      > with the auto-file saves from the preferences for WP?

      I get one or more _xx files in a work session, but they're never more
      recent than the named file. They also turn out to be not the active
      _xx file, which remains invisible (except momentarily during Save).
      WP seems to just abandon them and start a new _xx file, at which
      point the old _xx file stays visible.

      I use WP timed backups, but not the original file backup. Does anyone
      having different symptoms, like the _xx file being more recent, use
      either auto-backup feature?

      John R.







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    • Gilbert, Geoffrey S
      Smokey It was worse in Panther, pre-Spotlight. I don t keep my files in the User Directory. John keeps his on the Desktop. maybe that has something to do with
      Message 2 of 13 , Jul 12, 2005
        Smokey

        It was worse in Panther, pre-Spotlight. I don't keep my files in the User Directory. John keeps his on the Desktop. maybe that has something to do with it.

        Geoff


        -----Original Message-----
        From: wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Smokey Ardisson
        Sent: Tue 7/12/2005 8:14 AM
        To: wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [wpmac] Re: _xx files

        --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "John Rethorst" <jrethorst@y...> wrote:
        > --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@a... wrote:
        >
        > > could it have something to do
        > > with the auto-file saves from the preferences for WP?
        >
        > I get one or more _xx files in a work session, but they're never more
        > recent than the named file. They also turn out to be not the active
        > _xx file, which remains invisible (except momentarily during Save).
        > WP seems to just abandon them and start a new _xx file, at which
        > point the old _xx file stays visible.

        Any chance the increased frequency of these _xx files popping up is due to Spotlight? John R's "accessing spotlight from Classic" post in the midst of this thread reminded me of a post on Macintouch about Spotlight causing multiple instances of Firefox's bookmark files (this bug has the details: <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294584>)

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      • John Rethorst
        ... It s worse for me in Tiger than in Panther (I installed the 10.4.2 update about an hour ago, and have noticed no change in this issue). But here, the xx
        Message 3 of 13 , Jul 12, 2005
          --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "Gilbert, Geoffrey S"
          <Geoff@e...> wrote:

          > It was worse in Panther, pre-Spotlight. I don't keep my files
          > in the User Directory. John keeps his on the Desktop. maybe
          > that has something to do with it.

          It's worse for me in Tiger than in Panther (I installed the 10.4.2
          update about an hour ago, and have noticed no change in this
          issue). But here, the xx files are never more recent than the
          named files. More of them just crop up in Tiger.

          So should we sell this to Hollywood as an update to "The X Files"?

          Sorry . . .

          John R.
        • Randall C. Wilson
          I just received my licensed copy of Tiger in the mail, but have not installed it. Under Panther I hae not been having problems saving files in WP. I have
          Message 4 of 13 , Jul 13, 2005
            I just received my licensed copy of Tiger in the mail, but have not
            installed it.

            Under Panther I hae not been having problems saving files in WP. I
            have auto backup set to 2 minutes and use a Dual G-5

            Since the problem under discussion seems to exist with both Tiger and
            Panther I am guessing that the file saving problem is not a Tiger
            specific issue.

            I would rather not install an OS upgrade that is going to interfere
            with one of my most frequently used programs.

            >--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "Gilbert, Geoffrey S"
            ><Geoff@e...> wrote:
            >
            >> It was worse in Panther, pre-Spotlight. I don't keep my files
            >> in the User Directory. John keeps his on the Desktop. maybe
            >> that has something to do with it.
            >
            >It's worse for me in Tiger than in Panther (I installed the 10.4.2
            >update about an hour ago, and have noticed no change in this
            >issue). But here, the xx files are never more recent than the
            >named files. More of them just crop up in Tiger.
            >
            >So should we sell this to Hollywood as an update to "The X Files"?
            >
            >Sorry . . .
            >
            >John R.
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          • John Rethorst
            I get a number of xx files as I work, usually well into a session after the named documents have been open for a while. After excluding Spotlight s indexing
            Message 5 of 13 , Jul 15, 2005
              I get a number of xx files as I work, usually well into a
              session after the named documents have been open for
              a while.

              After excluding Spotlight's indexing for the work area
              (tried this with the desktop and also with the user
              directory), no more xx files appeared.

              Geoff's report that this was worse under Panther makes
              me wonder whether Panther's contents indexing had a
              similar auto-updating function that would produce the
              same result. But his finding that xx files can be more
              recent than the named file doesn't happen here. There
              may be two problems with similar symptoms.

              IAC I've emailed Gero to ask whether, in a future update
              to the WP Importer, files with the "WP_xx…" naming
              protocol can be excluded from indexing.
            • John Rethorst
              ... The problem I m getting is cosmetic and trivial - just sweep up xx files at the end of a session. The problem Geoff s getting is non-trivial, since an xx
              Message 6 of 13 , Jul 15, 2005
                --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "Randall C. Wilson"
                <rwilson@i...> wrote:

                > I would rather not install an OS upgrade that is going
                > to interfere with one of my most frequently used programs.

                The problem I'm getting is cosmetic and trivial - just sweep
                up xx files at the end of a session. The problem Geoff's
                getting is non-trivial, since an xx file can contain more
                recent data than the named file. Burton found that changes
                were not being written to the named file, just to the xx file.

                An extension or third-party app conflict is not out of the
                question. I'll test for that. Any further observations would
                be welcome.
              • Geoff Gilbert
                John Any of your files have footnotes? It s more likely that the xx files will be newer if there are footnotes and that was the last thing i was working on -
                Message 7 of 13 , Jul 15, 2005
                  John

                  Any of your files have footnotes? It's more likely that the xx files
                  will be newer if there are footnotes and that was the last thing i
                  was working on - as if closing the footnote window somehow updates
                  the xx file, but not the proper file.

                  Geoff


                  >--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "Randall C. Wilson"
                  ><rwilson@i...> wrote:
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                  >> I would rather not install an OS upgrade that is going
                  >> to interfere with one of my most frequently used programs.
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                  >The problem I'm getting is cosmetic and trivial - just sweep
                  >up xx files at the end of a session. The problem Geoff's
                  >getting is non-trivial, since an xx file can contain more
                  >recent data than the named file. Burton found that changes
                  >were not being written to the named file, just to the xx file.
                  >
                  >An extension or third-party app conflict is not out of the
                  >question. I'll test for that. Any further observations would
                  >be welcome.
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                • ICLUF Legal Director Randall C. Wilson
                  I do not have the problem, but neither are my work folders indexed, so indexing could somehow be involved. ... -- /s/ Randall C. Wilson, Esq. Legal Director
                  Message 8 of 13 , Jul 15, 2005
                    I do not have the problem, but neither are my work folders indexed,
                    so indexing could somehow be involved.

                    >John
                    >
                    >Any of your files have footnotes? It's more likely that the xx files
                    >will be newer if there are footnotes and that was the last thing i
                    >was working on - as if closing the footnote window somehow updates
                    >the xx file, but not the proper file.
                    >
                    >Geoff
                    >
                    >
                    >>--- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, "Randall C. Wilson"
                    >><rwilson@i...> wrote:
                    >>
                    >>> I would rather not install an OS upgrade that is going
                    >>> to interfere with one of my most frequently used programs.
                    >>
                    >>The problem I'm getting is cosmetic and trivial - just sweep
                    >>up xx files at the end of a session. The problem Geoff's
                    >>getting is non-trivial, since an xx file can contain more
                    >>recent data than the named file. Burton found that changes
                    >>were not being written to the named file, just to the xx file.
                    >>
                    >>An extension or third-party app conflict is not out of the
                    >>question. I'll test for that. Any further observations would
                    >>be welcome.
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                  • John Rethorst
                    ... I tried a file with footnotes, with no change. But another thing I did was reindex, and it improved the problem significantly, although it didn t fix it.
                    Message 9 of 13 , Jul 16, 2005
                      --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Gilbert <Geoff@e...>
                      wrote:

                      > Any of your files have footnotes? It's more likely that the xx
                      > files will be newer if there are footnotes and that was the last
                      > thing i was working on - as if closing the footnote window
                      > somehow updates the xx file, but not the proper file.

                      I tried a file with footnotes, with no change. But another thing I did
                      was reindex, and it improved the problem significantly, although it
                      didn't fix it.

                      My entire startup disk is indexed, and nothing else. I went to
                      System Prefs > Spotlight > Privacy and dragged the icon of my
                      startup disk into the exclusion pane. I waited five seconds, then
                      deleted the icon from the pane with the minus button at the
                      bottom. This deletes the index for that disk, and causes a
                      reindex from scratch. I think that, especially with a new
                      technology, this beats revising an existing index. Sorta like
                      the OS 9 desktop database.

                      I've also asked Gero whether an update to the plugin could possibly
                      just exclude WP files with names including "WP_xx" from indexing.
                      If, when WP updates its temp file, Spotlight sees that and grabs the
                      file to index, this could be at least part of the problem.

                      John R.
                    • John Rethorst
                      I moved the WP Importer file out of /Library/Spotlight, reindexed, and the _xx files disappeared. I moved the importer back where it was, let the index update,
                      Message 10 of 13 , Jul 19, 2005
                        I moved the WP Importer file out of /Library/Spotlight,
                        reindexed, and the _xx files disappeared. I moved the
                        importer back where it was, let the index update, and
                        the problem resurfaced - although it took several
                        saves among a few open documents before the _xx
                        files returned.

                        If Panther used a similar structure to notice saved
                        changes and update its contents index, then indexing
                        could be the reason. IAC I sent Gero an email with
                        these findings. I don't know if the importer API
                        supports exclusion based on file names though.

                        John R.
                      • Geoff Gilbert
                        I am using 10.4.11 on a G5. When saving WP files under Classic, the temp file (XX) is being preserved and is more up-to-date than the proper file. I have run
                        Message 11 of 13 , Nov 16, 2007
                          I am using 10.4.11 on a G5. When saving WP files under Classic, the
                          temp file (XX) is being preserved and is more up-to-date than the
                          proper file. I have run mdimport -r
                          /Library/Spotlight/WordPerfect.mdimporter in Terminal, but to no
                          effect.

                          Any thoughts?

                          Geoff
                        • Daryl Chinn
                          Geoff, In my original versions of WP 3.0 and 3.5 (perhaps before also), when I typed
                          Message 12 of 13 , Nov 16, 2007
                            Geoff, In my original versions of
                            WP 3.0 and 3.5 (perhaps before also), when I typed
                            <Apple-S), it saved both the old file (under the file
                            name) and the new file(under a numbered name). The WP
                            3.5e (Rethorst) doesn't do that on my late PB G4 PPC
                            Classic/10.4.11 as well as Titanium
                            PB/10.4.11/Classic) and hasn't ever done that. I've
                            never figured out why (I never found a Preference, for
                            instance, or a way to re-set or change this) either
                            version does what it does. I still have both on my
                            computer and they both act as they always have (see
                            above). I can't suggest a change, just offer
                            commiseration and hope someone can explain or help
                            change
                            this. Daryl ---
                            Geoff Gilbert <Geoff@...>
                            wrote: > I am using 10.4.11 on a
                            G5. When saving WP files > under Classic, the
                            > temp file (XX) is being preserved and is
                            more > up-to-date than the > proper
                            file. I have run mdimport -r >
                            /Library/Spotlight/WordPerfect.mdimporter
                            in > Terminal, but to no >
                            effect. > > Any
                            thoughts? > > Geoff >
                          • John Rethorst
                            ... I ve just updated to 10.4.11 on a G4. No change noticed. John R.
                            Message 13 of 13 , Nov 16, 2007
                              --- In wordperfectmac@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Gilbert <Geoff@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > I am using 10.4.11 on a G5. When saving WP files under Classic, the
                              > temp file (XX) is being preserved and is more up-to-date than the
                              > proper file.

                              I've just updated to 10.4.11 on a G4. No change noticed.

                              John R.
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