Re: QUESTION TO DR. TRIMM ON REV. 19:16
- First of all thank you for your kind comments regarding the HRV.
The "thigh" = RGL as an error for DGL "banner" explaination was first
proposed by C. C. Torrey in 1941 in a paper titled "The Language and
Date of the Apocalypse. The paper has been reprinted by SANJ as part
of the book A SEMITIC APPROACH TO THE TEXT OF REVELATION. the
material appears on pages 105-106 of that book.
Now there are some problems with it. First of all RGL normally
means "foot" and sometimes means "leg" but "thigh" might be a stretch
and "thighs" (plural) an even further stretch.
If Rev. was originally written in Hebrew then the Hebrew has not
survived. The Aramaic Crawford manuscript, which has survived and
which has signs of being the source for the Greek version, has 'ATMA
here (ayin-tet-mem root) meaning "thigh" (it actually appears in the
Having said that let me now point out something more important.
The Aramaic does not have this problem at all!
The Greek has "on his garment AND on his thigh" but the Aramaic has
"...on his garments, on his thighs..." as we read in the HRV Rev.
While the Greek makes these two different things, the Aramaic has the
phrase "on his thighs" as a modifier of "on his garments" implying
that it was upon his tzitzit or upon the KANAF (corner where the
tzitzit is attached).
Hope this helps,
--- In a-house-united@y..., "ephraimite4torah"
> Dear Dr. Trimm,the Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup. I know how busy you are brother, but
> The following is an excerpt from a letter posted by someone else in
if you can spare a moment I would like you comment on this in the
light of the HRV that just came out.
>indicative that Yeshua was wearing a Tallit, with the Name in the
> I have understood this "name on His thigh" or "thighs" to be
tzitziot being draped across His thighs. The point being made below
though, seems to be validated by the possible lack of Hebraic or
Aramaic understanding of the translator when looking at "dalet" and
possibly confusing it with "resh".
>may profit from your teaching in this area.
> This inquiry will be posted to our newsgroup as well so that all
>copy is available for anyone to view while visiting with us, and I
> Thank you so much for your work on the HRV! Our recently received
have found your comments in the introduction to be most enlightening
> Be blessed,
> And there is more. The Explanatory notes at the back of the
> rendition of the Scriptures put out by the Institute for Scripture
> Research indicates certain textual criticisms in the Book of the
> Revelation which indicate that it was also written in Hebrew.
> Revelation 19:16 reads that Yahshua will return with the
> OF KINGS AND MASTER OF MASTERS," written across his thigh. That'son
> not right. The word "thigh" should read "banner," instead.
> The problem with the word "thigh" is that if the words are written
> Yahshua's thigh, then they are speaking of a tattoo, but LeviticusHe
> 19:18 forbids us to make tattoos on our bodies. But we know that
> Yahshua would never get a tattoo, because Yahshua would never break
> Torah, because He tells us Himself in the Sermon on the Mount that
> did not come to break the Torah or to do away with it (Matthew 5:17-Law,
> We know that sin is a transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4), so if
> Yahshua has a tattoo on his thigh, then He will be breaking the
> which means He will be sinning. Yet we know that this can not be,28:42),
> because Yahshua is without sin.
> Further, we know that a person whose thigh is exposed is considered
> naked in Hebraic thought (Mark 14:51, see also Shemot/Exodus
> and we know that Yahshua would never come immodestly dressed, sincein
> He is our example. He would keep His thighs covered, especially in
> What makes more sense is to acknowledge that the Book of the
> Revelation must have been written in Hebrew. A particular letter
> Hebrew that represents the "d" sound (called the "dalet") has asmall
> stub on the end of one of the pen strokes, while a very similarwhen
> looking letter representing the "r" sound (called a "resh") does
> not. It is easy for translators to mistake the two, especially
> the scroll is old, damaged, or when the translators don't knowHebrew
> that well. Constantine's Catholic translators might easily haveand
> confused the dalet for a resh.
> If a scribe translating the Book of the Revelation from Hebrew (or
> possibly Aramaic) in to Greek mistook the "d" for an "r", then the
> word "dagel" (banner) becomes "ragel" (thigh), and you have Yahshua
> breaking Torah, wearing a tattoo on a naked thigh. Given the fact
> that Yahshua said that the Torah would not pass away until heaven
> earth pass away, this is impossible. It would make Yahshua an______________________________________________________________________
> immodest sinner with naked thighs!
> When you understand that Yahshua came not to do away with the Law,
> but rather to show how best to keep it, the image of Yahshua
> galloping around with a tattoo on a naked thigh becomes ludicrous.
> Yet a Roman Catholic scribe translating in to the Greek would not
> have caught the mistake, because the Catholics teach (against
> Scripture) that Yahshua did away with the Law.
A House United is an outreach of Beit HaShamash ministries, a Torah
observant Messianic Israelite Fellowship located in Las Vegas NV. We follow
the Man from Nazareth, Yeshua ben Yosef, HaMoshiach (you may know Him as
Jesus, son of Joseph, our Messiah) and His talmidim (disciples). Please
visit our website http://www.ahouseunited.org or
http://www.bethhashamash.org for more information. Baruch HaShem!
You can help support this ministry as we introduce the truth of Yeshua as
Moshiach, Torah observance, and the full restoration of The House of Israel
and the House of Judah, through the Internet and our local area outreach by
signing up with "PayPal". With "PayPal" you can make secure contributions
over the web by check, debit, or credit card. For every new account that
signs up through the link below, PayPal will contribute $5.00 to Beit
Or, if are already a member of PayPal, you may contribute directly to Beit
HaShamash Ministries by going to:
Thank you and may The Holy One of Yisr'el bless you for your support!
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
NEW MESSIANIC TRANSLATION:
THE HEBRAIC ROOTS VERSION