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  • Bo Bartels
    Good morning out there regularly we are evaluating different content mobile adaptation frameworks, open source and commercial. We found netbiscuits
    Message 1 of 6 , Feb 1, 2009
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      Good morning out there
      regularly we are evaluating different content mobile adaptation
      frameworks, open source and commercial.

      We found netbiscuits (www.netbiscuits.com), a commercial and very
      expensive content rendering webservice. It seems to be very good when you read
      their marketing material :) i am just missing the flexibility i would
      have with a wurfl-based OSS transcoder. E.g. in their markup
      (biscuitML) you seem to have no direct access to device capabilities.
      A "if(deviceHasTouchscreen) {put this image};} seems to be not possible.

      Is anyone here in this group who knows netbiscuits and wants to share
      his experience?

      What kind of content rendering engines are you using?
      myMobileWeb?
      WALL?
      Volantis?
      Sevenval?

      ....


      I'm curious.

      Benno


      -----
      insertEFFECT - web mobile specialists
      http://blog.insfx.com
      www.inserteffect.com
    • Tom Deryckere
      Hy Bob and All, Have you tried our Siruna transcoder (http://open.siruna.org). This is an open source transcoder with a commercial license possible and it
      Message 2 of 6 , Feb 1, 2009
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        Hy Bob and All,

        Have you tried our Siruna transcoder (http://open.siruna.org). This is an
        open source transcoder with a commercial
        license possible and it provides all the features you are looking for. It is
        build to give a good balance between automation
        and customisation of the development process. We also wanted the same type
        of control that you describe. See
        http://open.siruna.org/documentation/selectorAPI#expressionSelector for a
        short example of how to create an "if" statement checking screen size and
        capabilities of rendering images.

        The Siruna transcoder is a combination of a software service that transcodes
        your website and there is an authoring environment
        that gives you the flexibility to create custom adaptations (removing and
        moving content, removing and editing CSS, extracting menu items, extracting
        pages, etc ...). This flexible authoring part is often missing in
        transcoders.
        There is also build in support for accessing device capabilities (based on
        WURFL) and selection of transcoding options based on the device
        characteristics (e.g. remove content based on screen size). The authoring
        tool is located on http://composer.siruna.com

        You can find information on our website (http://open.siruna.com) or you can
        check out my blog (http://mobiledrupal.com) dedicated to Drupal and Siruna.
        On my blog I give a basic example on how to make your blog mobile (
        http://mobiledrupal.com/content/make-your-drupal-blog-mobile). On
        http://open.siruna.org/documentation/4steps you find also an easy tutorial
        (choose the online way!)

        I would be happy to clarify questions about the software and help you out in
        evaluating it!

        regards,
        Tom


        These are some examples:
        *News site : Belgian Public broadcast company: "De Redactie"*
        Desktop version: http://www.deredactie.be/
        Mobile version: http://m.beta.deredactie.be/

        *Sport site : Belgian Public broadcast company: "Sporza"*
        Desktop: http://www.sporza.be/
        Mobile version: http://m.beta.sporza.be/

        *Rock Festival site: (Flash version)*
        Deskop version: off-line
        Mobile Version: http://rockwerchter.mobixx.net/

        *Search engine: yellow pages *
        Desktop*: *http://goldenpages.truvo.be/
        Mobile: http://goldenpages.siruna.com

        *Traffic information:*
        Desktop: http://www.verkeerscentrum.be/
        Mobile version: http://www.filebeeld.be/
        Select "Kaart" for a mobile traffic map
        Click on "beeld" in the menu; those are the images of the traffic camera's

        *Mobile operator portal with personalisation:*
        Mobile site: m.zita.be
        (no desktop site - buld from webservices & XML feeds)

        *Airline: KLM:*
        Deskop version: www.klm.com
        Mobile Version: klm.mobixx.net (under development- city guide not
        complete)

        *Lifestyle Magazine : Humo*
        Desktop: http://www.humo.be/
        Mobile: sanoma.mobixx.net (under development but already working)




        2009/2/1 Bo Bartels <bo@...>

        > Good morning out there
        > regularly we are evaluating different content mobile adaptation
        > frameworks, open source and commercial.
        >
        > We found netbiscuits (www.netbiscuits.com), a commercial and very
        > expensive content rendering webservice. It seems to be very good when you
        > read
        > their marketing material :) i am just missing the flexibility i would
        > have with a wurfl-based OSS transcoder. E.g. in their markup
        > (biscuitML) you seem to have no direct access to device capabilities.
        > A "if(deviceHasTouchscreen) {put this image};} seems to be not possible.
        >
        > Is anyone here in this group who knows netbiscuits and wants to share
        > his experience?
        >
        > What kind of content rendering engines are you using?
        > myMobileWeb?
        > WALL?
        > Volantis?
        > Sevenval?
        >
        > ....
        >
        >
        > I'm curious.
        >
        > Benno
        >
        >
        > -----
        > insertEFFECT - web mobile specialists
        > http://blog.insfx.com
        > www.inserteffect.com
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > As of July 14 2005, it's much easier to be banned from WMLProgramming!
        > Please fail to read http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming/ before
        > you post.Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >


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      • Gene Hallman
        Hey Bo, I was recently involved in releasing my companies mobile internet site building tools, to the public under the product mobile elements
        Message 3 of 6 , Feb 1, 2009
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          Hey Bo,
          I was recently involved in releasing my companies mobile internet site
          building tools, to the public under the product mobile elements
          (www.mobileelements.com).
          We took a slightly different approach to how we solved the problem, by
          providing a medium ground between raw data (WURFL) and a complex
          proprietry coding language that loses flexibility (Netbiscuits).

          We currently take all our data from WURFL, with our custom useragent
          matching technology, and are constantly making available more and more
          device capabilities.

          feel free to check it out, and contact me if you want more info.

          Gene


          --- In wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com, Bo Bartels <bo@...> wrote:
          >
          > Good morning out there
          > regularly we are evaluating different content mobile adaptation
          > frameworks, open source and commercial.
          >
          > We found netbiscuits (www.netbiscuits.com), a commercial and very
          > expensive content rendering webservice. It seems to be very good
          when you read
          > their marketing material :) i am just missing the flexibility i would
          > have with a wurfl-based OSS transcoder. E.g. in their markup
          > (biscuitML) you seem to have no direct access to device capabilities.
          > A "if(deviceHasTouchscreen) {put this image};} seems to be not possible.
          >
          > Is anyone here in this group who knows netbiscuits and wants to share
          > his experience?
          >
          > What kind of content rendering engines are you using?
          > myMobileWeb?
          > WALL?
          > Volantis?
          > Sevenval?
          >
          > ....
          >
          >
          > I'm curious.
          >
          > Benno
          >
          >
          > -----
          > insertEFFECT - web mobile specialists
          > http://blog.insfx.com
          > www.inserteffect.com
          >
        • JOSE MANUEL CANTERA FONSECA
          have you tried MyMobileWeb? http://mymobileweb.morfeo-project.org NetBiscuits seems nice although I think it is behind our product in terms of functionality
          Message 4 of 6 , Feb 3, 2009
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            have you tried MyMobileWeb?

            http://mymobileweb.morfeo-project.org

            NetBiscuits seems nice although I think it is behind our product in terms of functionality

            However they provide nice commodity tools

            Best Regards

            -----Mensaje original-----
            De: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Bo Bartels
            Enviado el: domingo, 01 de febrero de 2009 10:31
            Para: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com; mobiledesign@yahoogroups.com
            Asunto: [wmlprogramming] Netbiscuits content rendering webservice - experience anyone?

            Good morning out there
            regularly we are evaluating different content mobile adaptation
            frameworks, open source and commercial.

            We found netbiscuits (www.netbiscuits.com), a commercial and very
            expensive content rendering webservice. It seems to be very good when you read
            their marketing material :) i am just missing the flexibility i would
            have with a wurfl-based OSS transcoder. E.g. in their markup
            (biscuitML) you seem to have no direct access to device capabilities.
            A "if(deviceHasTouchscreen) {put this image};} seems to be not possible.

            Is anyone here in this group who knows netbiscuits and wants to share
            his experience?

            What kind of content rendering engines are you using?
            myMobileWeb?
            WALL?
            Volantis?
            Sevenval?

            ....


            I'm curious.

            Benno


            -----
            insertEFFECT - web mobile specialists
            http://blog.insfx.com
            www.inserteffect.com


            ------------------------------------

            As of July 14 2005, it's much easier to be banned from WMLProgramming!
            Please fail to read http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming/ before you post.Yahoo! Groups Links
          • JOSE MANUEL CANTERA FONSECA
            Hi It seems that you reinvented DISelect with your expression mechanism :) Best Regards De: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
            Message 5 of 6 , Feb 3, 2009
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              Hi

              It seems that you reinvented DISelect with your expression mechanism :)

              Best Regards

              De: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com [mailto:wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Tom Deryckere
              Enviado el: domingo, 01 de febrero de 2009 16:46
              Para: wmlprogramming@yahoogroups.com
              Asunto: Re: [wmlprogramming] Netbiscuits content rendering webservice -experience anyone?


              Hy Bob and All,

              Have you tried our Siruna transcoder (http://open.siruna.org). This is an
              open source transcoder with a commercial
              license possible and it provides all the features you are looking for. It is
              build to give a good balance between automation
              and customisation of the development process. We also wanted the same type
              of control that you describe. See
              http://open.siruna.org/documentation/selectorAPI#expressionSelector for a
              short example of how to create an "if" statement checking screen size and
              capabilities of rendering images.

              The Siruna transcoder is a combination of a software service that transcodes
              your website and there is an authoring environment
              that gives you the flexibility to create custom adaptations (removing and
              moving content, removing and editing CSS, extracting menu items, extracting
              pages, etc ...). This flexible authoring part is often missing in
              transcoders.
              There is also build in support for accessing device capabilities (based on
              WURFL) and selection of transcoding options based on the device
              characteristics (e.g. remove content based on screen size). The authoring
              tool is located on http://composer.siruna.com

              You can find information on our website (http://open.siruna.com) or you can
              check out my blog (http://mobiledrupal.com) dedicated to Drupal and Siruna.
              On my blog I give a basic example on how to make your blog mobile (
              http://mobiledrupal.com/content/make-your-drupal-blog-mobile). On
              http://open.siruna.org/documentation/4steps you find also an easy tutorial
              (choose the online way!)

              I would be happy to clarify questions about the software and help you out in
              evaluating it!

              regards,
              Tom

              These are some examples:
              *News site : Belgian Public broadcast company: "De Redactie"*
              Desktop version: http://www.deredactie.be/
              Mobile version: http://m.beta.deredactie.be/

              *Sport site : Belgian Public broadcast company: "Sporza"*
              Desktop: http://www.sporza.be/
              Mobile version: http://m.beta.sporza.be/

              *Rock Festival site: (Flash version)*
              Deskop version: off-line
              Mobile Version: http://rockwerchter.mobixx.net/

              *Search engine: yellow pages *
              Desktop*: *http://goldenpages.truvo.be/
              Mobile: http://goldenpages.siruna.com

              *Traffic information:*
              Desktop: http://www.verkeerscentrum.be/
              Mobile version: http://www.filebeeld.be/
              Select "Kaart" for a mobile traffic map
              Click on "beeld" in the menu; those are the images of the traffic camera's

              *Mobile operator portal with personalisation:*
              Mobile site: m.zita.be
              (no desktop site - buld from webservices & XML feeds)

              *Airline: KLM:*
              Deskop version: www.klm.com
              Mobile Version: klm.mobixx.net (under development- city guide not
              complete)

              *Lifestyle Magazine : Humo*
              Desktop: http://www.humo.be/
              Mobile: sanoma.mobixx.net (under development but already working)

              2009/2/1 Bo Bartels <bo@...<mailto:bo%40mopot.de>>

              > Good morning out there
              > regularly we are evaluating different content mobile adaptation
              > frameworks, open source and commercial.
              >
              > We found netbiscuits (www.netbiscuits.com), a commercial and very
              > expensive content rendering webservice. It seems to be very good when you
              > read
              > their marketing material :) i am just missing the flexibility i would
              > have with a wurfl-based OSS transcoder. E.g. in their markup
              > (biscuitML) you seem to have no direct access to device capabilities.
              > A "if(deviceHasTouchscreen) {put this image};} seems to be not possible.
              >
              > Is anyone here in this group who knows netbiscuits and wants to share
              > his experience?
              >
              > What kind of content rendering engines are you using?
              > myMobileWeb?
              > WALL?
              > Volantis?
              > Sevenval?
              >
              > ....
              >
              >
              > I'm curious.
              >
              > Benno
              >
              >
              > -----
              > insertEFFECT - web mobile specialists
              > http://blog.insfx.com
              > www.inserteffect.com
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
              > As of July 14 2005, it's much easier to be banned from WMLProgramming!
              > Please fail to read http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming/ before
              > you post.Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
              >

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            • Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
              Hello, It is Merkur[1] (similar to Siruna product), that it is being used in some Spanish websites, like Aviles council (http://www.aviles.es ). Sorry for the
              Message 6 of 6 , Feb 3, 2009
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                Hello,

                It is Merkur[1] (similar to Siruna product), that it is being used in
                some Spanish websites, like Aviles council (http://www.aviles.es ).

                Sorry for the web[1], we are updating it during this month (stay tuned)

                Thanks and best regards,

                [1] http://merkur.fundacionctic.org

                2009/2/1 Bo Bartels <bo@...>:
                > Good morning out there
                > regularly we are evaluating different content mobile adaptation
                > frameworks, open source and commercial.
                >
                > We found netbiscuits (www.netbiscuits.com), a commercial and very
                > expensive content rendering webservice. It seems to be very good when you read
                > their marketing material :) i am just missing the flexibility i would
                > have with a wurfl-based OSS transcoder. E.g. in their markup
                > (biscuitML) you seem to have no direct access to device capabilities.
                > A "if(deviceHasTouchscreen) {put this image};} seems to be not possible.
                >
                > Is anyone here in this group who knows netbiscuits and wants to share
                > his experience?
                >
                > What kind of content rendering engines are you using?
                > myMobileWeb?
                > WALL?
                > Volantis?
                > Sevenval?
                >
                > ....
                >
                >
                > I'm curious.
                >
                > Benno
                >
                >
                > -----
                > insertEFFECT - web mobile specialists
                > http://blog.insfx.com
                > www.inserteffect.com
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------------
                >
                > As of July 14 2005, it's much easier to be banned from WMLProgramming!
                > Please fail to read http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming/ before you post.Yahoo! Groups Links
                >
                >
                >
                >



                --
                J. Manrique López de la Fuente
                http://www.jsmanrique.es
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