Your wording & yelling is uncalled for. I have never 'raked
anyone over the caols", nor would they contacting me, so
that I can find out directly from them what happened be
"sacrificing them". Nor would they have to 'defend
themself". I just want the facts from the only person who
can give them.
You tone is unchivalrous.
ALBERIC WOLF wrote:
> >This *IS* the West Constulary site, right? Where we
> >issues of interest to Constables? Where us Constables can
> >talk freely about these issues. Which this is, being the
> >first time the new alcohol polciy has been vetted.
> We can talk constructively about these issues....however,
> It appears that
> you are trying to protect the Kates without believing the
> words of the
> constables who dealt with the situation. This is not
> >My question was "did she get the alcohol in their camp"?
> >opposed to "did we just finally find her there"? If you
> >the distinction.
> Of course, I get the distinction: THE ALCOHOL WAS PLACED
> IN HER HAND WHILE
> SHE WAS INSIDE THE KATE'S CAMP! Do you understand the
> >Nor are we "villifying a CHILD"- as you said here- she
> >19, thus an adult. She can vote, she can go to prison.
> >is thus responsible for her own actions.
> What you don't understand is that the adults at the party
> are also
> responsible for their actions. If a bunch of people go to
> your house and
> have a party and share booze with people under 21....guess
> what...in the
> mundane world YOU could go to jail as well as the person
> who actually
> physically gave the booze to the person.
> If she had been
> >under 18, ie a child or a minor, then yes, that's
> >different. But being over 18, she is legaly held to be
> >responsible. Any adult who gives booze to a MINOR is
> >responsible, not the minor (altho the parents have some
> >responsibilty, of course).
> Any adult who gives alcohol to a person under 21 is
> responsible as well.
> Matter of fact, the SCA can be liable should that person
> be injured or
> killed because of the alcohol consumption of a person
> under 21.
> >My question remains- did the kates give her alcohol? Did
> >any member of the kates give her alcohol? Did she get the
> >booze there, or elsewhere?
> See above.
> Are we going to close down a
> >party where a minor was drinking?
> EVERY TIME! AND the police will be called - persons who
> gave the alcohol, if
> identified will also be given to the mundane authorties.
> Where he got booze even
> >from a private person?
> If that person was at the party, yes! If he walks in with
> it from somewhere
> else, no.
> We all know that folks have little
> >control about folks who walk into their camp, and even
> >they do, especially if the party is large and the problem
> >at the outskirts.
> If you can't handle a large party, then you shouldn't have
> one. Your camp
> is your responsibility!
> >And, I again point out that the person who complained to
> >was most concerned about the rudeness of the Constable
> >was "yelling threats" (their words, not mine) at the
> At this time, since you refuse to tell the KINGDOM
> CONSTABLE the nature
> (specific) of this complaint, or put him in touch with the
> person making the
> allegation, any corrective action cannot happen! This is
> NOT your situation
> to deal with. This situation belongs to the Kingdom
> Constable and the
> constables at the event.
> I refuse to put one of my constables in a position of
> having to defend
> himself from you. I will gladly talk to the person, and
> the constable to
> determine what happened and how it can be remedied in the
> future. At that
> time I will post useful and constructive information to
> all the constables
> to avoid problems in the future.
> >I may not have witnessed it myself, but that's why I am
> >asking, and the person who asked me is not some naif
> >by any means. I was asked officially to inquire, and I
> >doing so, in the proper forum.
> The proper forum would have been to come to me directly
> with the complaint
> and let me handle this. Allegations and arguements solve
> nothing. Why is
> this person coming to you in the first place? As you
> said, you were not
> there and know nothing of what happened.
> >Note that the event was in my Principality also, so I
> >every right to inquire.
> No, you dont - this was a KINGDOM event. I was there. I
> was CIC. I am the
> proper authority in this instance. I would deal with the
> situation and
> inform you when the time came of all the particulars in a
> way that would be
> constructive instead of arguementative.
> It most definately *is* my
> >business. This is following the proper chain of command.
> No it's not because the higher chain of command was there.
> >I would also like the Constable who was responsible to
> >contact me, off list.
> I DO NOT SACRIFICE MY CONSTABLES SO THAT SOMEONE WHO KNOWS
> NOTHING OF THE
> SITUATION CAN RAKE THEM OVER THE COALS!
> >Wulfstan- Chief Constable of the Mist
> >Alberic Wolf - The West Kingdom Constable
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