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2265Re: [West Constables] Lost Child procedures

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  • Glenn Gorsuch
    Oct 4, 2011
      One of the best ways we used to use to handle this issue, and what we
      STARTED to do up at Purg this year before the child was found, was sending
      people out, not just in a specific direction, but also a specifc distance.
      As you get more volunteers, and those tend to increase as the search goes
      on, you fill in spaces from those farthest out (who keep moving out) back
      towards your central point, so you can get a relay in place, and those
      directing the search get word fastest when the child is found. It ends up
      acting rather like our emergency-vehicle point-chains.

      What this takes is someone to take charge quickly, coolly, and who can
      remain organized, when people are pushing for panic. Oh, wait, that'd be
      the Constabulary :). And, as a rule, you use the Eric as your center,
      because, well, that's usually about the center of site. Better is a
      specific location everyone knows at the center, like, say, the Royal or the

      So, under ideal circumstances, distraught parent buttonholes you about their
      lost person. You take the parent to your zero-point, gathering information
      about the lost person, and grabbing volunteers as you go. At your zero
      point, you, and ideally the parent, stay PUT and send out your volunteers in
      specific directions (or to specific locations), with the information about
      the child and with the instruction that (unless there's a medical issue),
      the child is to be brought back to the zero point, and volunteers should
      start from the zero point so they can get all the information. Obviously,
      if you have known hazard spots on site (a pond, mineshaft, a gate in a
      fenced site, etc), send people there first.

      If, in your opinion, the site becomes saturated with volunteers and the
      child still hasn't been found, or the time is getting unreasonable, that's
      when you'd start to think about the mundane experts. Obviously, we can
      search the Woodland site much faster than, say, where we were for Purg--but
      at Purg, we had more considerable natural problems that might necessitate
      getting the pros sooner.

      At least, that's my shillings and pence.


      On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Kenneth Flores <kflores@...>wrote:

      > **
      > One of the other issues we have had recently is the ever fun game of
      > telephone. "We've found them" "No we haven't" "Yes we have, oh wait,
      > sorry." This led to some confusion at Purg as well as at October Crown
      > when looking for two of the four lost ones. My hopes are that radios as
      > well as coordination with the Heralds will sort out that confusion in
      > the future.
      > Also, when looking for a child or adult. Make sure to get their first
      > and last name. Looking for Bob, or Steve, or Catherine... could lead to
      > confusion. Mundane name as well as SCA name could help too.
      > All of these suggestions are great so far, keep them coming and in a few
      > days I'll start putting together a plan to put into the handbook and to
      > discuss on the West List.
      > Thank you all for your service,
      > -Francisco
      > From: wkconstabulary@yahoogroups.com
      > [mailto:wkconstabulary@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nichollas
      > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:20 PM
      > To: wkconstabulary@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: RE: [West Constables] Lost Child procedures
      > Hi everyone,
      > I think we all agree it's the parents job to make sure they have
      > their kid, or have their kid with someone watching them. In my
      > experience
      > as Constables the "policy" should be simple, we apply the same effort
      > into
      > finding any lost person regardless of age. So that's the public
      > statement,
      > we will do all in our power to find lost persons etc etc. Working this
      > kind
      > of situation is easier than it appears and 90% of it is proper
      > preparation
      > and training. The rest is IF you have the person power to pull it off,
      > and
      > I agree calling in guards, chivalry or whomever it takes should never be
      > a
      > problem, and in all my years I've never had any trouble rounding up
      > those
      > kinds of volunteers. One key factor is as Constables we should never put
      > ourselves in any position that puts us at risk of looking or seeming
      > judgmental, so we can't ever say whose fault it is or lay any blame on
      > someone going lost, and I believe that kind of thinking dilutes the
      > essence
      > of helping find someone anyhow, so we make sure our people know to
      > remain
      > completely professional and just look for them. Once they are found its
      > simple, here's timmy back safe, glad we could help hope you have a nice
      > day.
      > Never here's timmy next time put a leash on him or anything else
      > derogatory.
      > If timmy wanders off again though we could gently say, please duct tape
      > him
      > to your tent, Kidding kidding LOL But I think you all get my point.
      > This may seem like a little overkill but I'm coming from a
      > Kingdom that killed Constables off because of a few bad apples not
      > keeping
      > their mouths shut about this kind of thing and others (loooooooong
      > story)
      > and also the fact we usually have a gaggle of untrained volunteers who
      > sometimes can say the wrong thing when emotions are running high. As far
      > as
      > what kind of policy to use to get parents to be responsible, there are
      > many
      > but without tracking or accountability most won't work. The An-Tir
      > policy
      > of keeping under 12 basically babysat seems reasonable. As to when to
      > call
      > mundane authorities, I think the parent makes that determination. We can
      > recommend it to them once we feel we've exhausted all our resources, but
      > if
      > the parent says they want to call in the mundanes from the very
      > beginning we
      > have no right to tell them otherwise, just help and volunteer.
      > My to coppers worth.
      > Good Journey
      > Nichollas Keene
      > >>> Kenneth Flores <kflores@...
      > <mailto:kflores%40pahl-mccay.com> <mailto:kflores%40pahl-mccay.com>
      > > 10/3/11 2:19 PM >>>
      > My brother and sister constables,
      > In the past 2 Kingdom Level events, we have had 4 lost children. All
      > of which were found more or less well. But if this continues, we are
      > going to have a stressful time on our hands. On one hand, I am quite
      > pleased that we are getting a huge influx of kids, pre-teens, and
      > teenagers right now. I had over 50 minors on site at Crown which is a
      > good sign for the future of our society.
      > But our lost child policy needs some work. With a large quantity of
      > kids, a few are bound to wander off. Unless we leash them to their
      > parents or put some sort of West Kingdom GPS chip into their brains, we
      > are going to continue to organize search parties for these kids.
      > I'd like to start a discussion here to make a policy that all of us are
      > comfortable with and to establish a procedure when dealing with a lost
      > child which can be added to the Handbook.
      > Let the brainstorming begin.
      > -Francisco
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