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Re: [wifdiscussion] Re: DOD - Ireland

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  • William Popovich
    CW should DOW Ireland if it is near your camp (have to have 1st initiative position to DOW a minor while neutral) ... [Non-text portions of this message have
    Message 1 of 39 , Jan 20, 2013
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      CW should DOW Ireland if it is near your camp (have to have 1st initiative
      position to DOW a minor while neutral)

      On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM, kevinansett <kevinansett@...> wrote:

      > **
      >
      >
      > He had better get a move on with the cw/France pact then :-)
      >
      > If I can get a move on with my treaties I could attack Yugoslavia and
      > force his hand ;-)
      >
      > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "iconoclastictim" wrote:
      > >
      > > Other than redo the Black and Tan war with the WDF, no, I guess.....
      > >
      > > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "kevinansett" wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Also, if I end up at war with only France, I could still then ally
      > Ireland
      > > > And the cw couldn't do anything surely???
      > > >
      > > > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, William Popovich wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Unless someone you are at war with goes to war with them, yes.
      > > > >
      > > > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:11 AM, kevinansett wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > > **
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Ok - so (for example) even though I have a minor stacked with me I
      > cant
      > > > > > activate them unless I ally them first???
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Is that correct?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Also - missed the bit about being at war with a major power -
      > thats a bit
      > > > > > of a pain :))
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Kev
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, William Popovich wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Also, you have to be allied with the Irish to join them in , and
      > stacked
      > > > > > > with you, after you are at war with a major power.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > In our games, this is what CW ALWAYS does when it gets first
      > initiative -
      > > > > > > when it is allowed to DOW minors - take out an Ireland that is
      > close to
      > > > > > > Fascism if Germany looks like they are going to do something
      > like that.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > We often move Ireland toward Russia with all the minuses for
      > England, to
      > > > > > > keep it out of Fascist hands.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM, kevinansett wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > **
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Another "quick" question.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > I am playing (as you know) DOD/Wiffe.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > I have Ireland one square from being in the Fascist camp.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > My question is, If I (as Germany) did a DoW on Hungary, If
      > Ireland was
      > > > > > > > under Germany, could I declare it an active ally.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > If so, whats to stop me basing tons of planes/ships in Ireland
      > and
      > > > > > blowing
      > > > > > > > the heck out of the CW?
      > > > > > > >
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    • kevinansett
      Guess I just tough it out with Italy - maybe in 39...
      Message 39 of 39 , Jan 22, 2013
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        Guess I just tough it out with Italy - maybe in 39...

        --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "kevinansett" wrote:
        >
        > Ok we'll the issue is I have Italy owning Austria
        > (It was an experiment)
        >
        > So my option is I guess I need to get France out the way first...
        >
        > I can't Dow yugo with Germany as I can't reach it :-))
        >
        > So I guess I'm forced down the Belgium route???
        >
        > Any suggestions??
        >
        > Kev
        >
        > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, William Popovich wrote:
        > >
        > > Yes, if they declare. Russia probably can't till you actually conquer
        > > Yugoslavia.
        > > However, you really don't want to be at war with both fronts at once,
        > > early, till you take out France, I think. If you warn Russia they might
        > > just break their treaty themselves before you attack.
        > >
        > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM, kevinansett wrote:
        > >
        > > > **
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Sorry bill not being clear :-)
        > > >
        > > > Get to level 3 pact...
        > > >
        > > > Italy Dow yugo
        > > > Russia and/or France Dow Italy
        > > > Germany then Dow them back?
        > > >
        > > > That's what I meant :-)
        > > >
        > > > Kev
        > > > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, William Popovich wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > To clarify - Germany does not get the "free" war when italy goes to war
        > > > > with just a minor.
        > > > >
        > > > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM, kevinansett wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > > **
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Or level 3 pact, Dow yugo with Italy and then join in Germany?
        > > > > >
        > > > > > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" wrote:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Basically you need to get Italy in a L2 treaty with Germany plus
        > > > make it
        > > > > > active before you tackle Yugo with Germany, as well as activate Hungary
        > > > > > with Italy.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, morningespresso wrote:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Yugoslavia is a pushover for the Germans from Hungary. Yugoslavia
        > > > is
        > > > > > not a pushover for the Italians & certainly not from across the narrow
        > > > > > mountainous Italy-Yugoslavia border. That said, 10 BP, 2 options & few
        > > > > > feeble Banner Army generating units is greater than naught. It's a
        > > > classic
        > > > > > short term vs. long term advantage tradeoff.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > ________________________________
        > > > > > > > From: William Popovich
        > > > > > > > To: wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:38 AM
        > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [wifdiscussion] Re: DOD - Ireland
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > And Italy can just join in Hungary for 5 BPs gaining 9 in 1940 in
        > > > the
        > > > > > > > trade. Why must it be Germany?
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Scott Sostack wrote:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > **
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > 15 BPs.. that's 5 German infantry corps.� I think I would
        > > > prefer
        > > > > > the 5 INF
        > > > > > > > > corps.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Scott
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > ________________________________
        > > > > > > > > From: kevinansett kevinansett@>
        > > > > > > > > To: wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:23 AM
        > > > > > > > > Subject: [wifdiscussion] Re: DOD - Ireland
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > But 15 Bps - for hungary ...
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > It doesnt seem worthwhile.....
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Kev
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, William Popovich wrote:
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > So assume that to get it for free in WIF you've spent the 15
        > > > > > before 1939.
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Paul wrote:
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > **
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > This is one of my gripes about DoD - in WiFFE you get
        > > > Hungary as
        > > > > > a free
        > > > > > > > > > > German minor, but to make that happen in DoD you need to
        > > > expend a
        > > > > > > > > minimum
        > > > > > > > > > > of 15 BP (5 to break alliance with Italy, 5 to make alliance
        > > > with
        > > > > > > > > germany,
        > > > > > > > > > > 5 to join in).
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > --- In wifdiscussion@yahoogroups.com, William Popovich
        > > > wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > To join in a minor you have to be active (at war with a
        > > > major
        > > > > > power)
        > > > > > > > > and
        > > > > > > > > > > > their ONLY ally - so if you want to join in Hungary to
        > > > Germany
        > > > > > you
        > > > > > > > > have
        > > > > > > > > > > to
        > > > > > > > > > > > stack it with Germany, remove the Italian alliance, make
        > > > one
        > > > > > with
        > > > > > > > > > > Germany,
        > > > > > > > > > > > and have Germany be at war with a major power.
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > But ANYONE can go to war with someone who declares war on a
        > > > > > minor,
        > > > > > > > > the
        > > > > > > > > > > > impulse after they are DOWed (providing they meet their
        > > > > > country's
        > > > > > > > > > > > requirements for war) and be able to join it in.
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > So if Germany declares war on Netherlands, and CW is
        > > > already
        > > > > > at war
        > > > > > > > > with
        > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, CW can join in Netherlands for free, even if it is
        > > > > > stacked
        > > > > > > > > with
        > > > > > > > > > > > Russia and allied with them - if they get to go before
        > > > Russia
        > > > > > does.
        > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:11 AM, kevinansett wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that correct?
        > > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > > Also - missed the bit about being at war with a major
        > > > power -
        > > > > > > > > thats a
        > > > > > > > > > > bit
        > > > > > > > > > > > > of a pain :))
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