Re: Weblogs == Personal Web Publishing Communities?
- --- In webloggerusergroup@y..., "Dave Winer" <dave@u...> wrote:
> Here's my latest contribution to the "What are Weblogs?" debate..Let's see...
> Hope you enjoy it!
"on the web" = Online
Personal = Personal
Published = Pubishing
Communities = Group
Yeah, I love it, Dave... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/webloggerusergroup/message/472
- I had a domain for a while that we just let go: unclesclub.com.I wonder how many people in the Weblog World think of themselves as Uncles, wicked or otherwise.Dave----- Original Message -----From: Julian BondSent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 12:29 AMSubject: Re: [webloggerusergroup] Weblogs == Personal Web Publishing Communities?In article <0ad301c16eef$6ff8a5d0$33a1dc40@murphy>, Dave Winer
>how about uncle? I think that's my lot
I always wanted to be the "Wicked Uncle". The one who appeared out of
the blue after several years in the heart of Africa and encouraged the
nephews to break the rules and upset their straight parents. But then
I'm also quite looking forward to being the old curmudgeon who sits by
the fire in the pub, nursing a half of Guinness and growling at anyone
who comes near while occasionally boring a captive audience to tears
with stories about "What I did in the Sudan"...
Any suggestion that you could substitute "Early PC Software industry"
for "Sudan" and have all that refer to Dave, would be scurrilous
character defamation and should definitely be avoided. That was about
me, not him.
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Winer [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [webloggerusergroup] Weblogs == Personal Web Publishing
> I had a domain for a while that we justNow I'm confused. Does "uncle" mean anything other than "parent's brother"?
> let go: unclesclub.com.
> I wonder how many people in the Weblog
> World think of themselves as Uncles,
> wicked or otherwise.
Cross-cultural Did You Know of the day:
In India, children often address elderly people (who are not related to
them) as Uncle. This stems from the pledge (
http://www.tamilnadueducation.com/pledge.htm ) that we used to recite in
school every Friday: "All Indians are my brothers and sisters". By this
philosophy, even strangers are looked upon as being a brother or sister to
one's father or mother.
Remember this on your next visit to India when the little ones call you
And I'm sure www.unclesclub.co.in is not taken yet.
- Mahesh Shantaram writes:
> Now I'm confused. Does "uncle" mean anything other than "parent's brother"?Strictly, no. Culturally, male friends close to the family will
sometimes be referred to as "uncle", 'cause they do lots of the same
things uncles do: Be someone who cares about the family, and
participates, but because he's not a parent, doesn't have the same
economic constraints or need to maintain authority, can have a
completely different relationship to the kids.
For instance: I've got a friend who's got two adolescent boys. She's a
70s feminist who's coming up against the harsh reality of male
puberty, but also a single mom who's run fairly ragged.
So I'm willing to be much more patient when I help with homework
('cause I only see them once a week or so). And I don't have kids (and
don't plan on having kids), so I don't have to pretend that I find
kids cute or lovable, which means that we have a relationship dynamic
that ends up being more between equals. I can give them gifts that are
expensive, or perhaps things they really wanted rather than things
they should have.
When she's doing her 70s feminist "pornography is evil" thing I can't
exactly give 'em porn, but I can say "here, read some Nadine Strossen
or some Carol Queen, see what other people think about how that
influences culture", or "Hey, have you seen cleansheets.com?" to point
out that there are more variations to sex than just the image that
their mother hates so strongly.
And whene their mom is talking about the importance of studying hard
and applying themselves to education, and promulgating all those lies
about their own academic career that parents have to lay on, I'm
saying "yeah, I graduated in the top 60% of my high school class and
dropped out of college" and "my years as a professional whitewater
guide were a lot of fun".
And where parents can't have conversations with their kids about sex,
or push the "you're too young" line (which may be true, but won't stop
them), I can say "it's none of my business, but I had a few terrifying
experiences before I figured out that water based lube is a necessity
with condoms". Let's face it: Nobody wants to hear that from their
mom. Probably not even their dad.
Everyone I know refers to this as "playing uncle".
> Cross-cultural Did You Know of the day:Probably a similar thing.
> In India, children often address elderly people (who are not related
> to them) as Uncle.
I was wondering what was your 'policy' about linking to articles that are
not free (e.g. on WSJ, The Economist or Salon Premium) or that requires a
cookie / free registration (NYTimes) ?
Also, do you think that the "End of Free" will have an influence on the
collection of web links and therefore on the content of your online
Weblogue: (from english Web: network and latin logos:talk) opinion wishing
to be heard and amplified.
- -----Original Message-----
From: jm [mailto:giem@...]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: [webloggerusergroup] Public Accessible link policy
> I was wondering what was your 'policy' about linkingFrom a weblogging/journalists point of view, I like what Rebecca Blood does.
> to articles that are not free (e.g. on WSJ, The
> Economist or Salon Premium) or that requires a cookie
> / free registration (NYTimes) ?
She mentions the the username (rebeccas_pocket) and password (I think it's
"blood") of a dummy account beside an NYT link. That was very helpful,
because earlier on, I wouldn't click on NYT links. The thought of a sign-up
process would deter me.
> Also, do you think that the "End of Free" will have anIt's a coincidence that you should ask this today. India's most respected
> influence on the collection of web links and therefore
> on the content of your online publishing?
news media group (in the class of Time Magazine) decided to open their
online publication to subscribers only. That's bad news for me as I've
linked heavily to TheNewspaperToday.com from my journal.
I believe that as the Web goes form free to paid, user experience will take
a kick due to widespread linkrot. I've written on this topic before:
- At 10:07 PM 11/19/2001, Mahesh Shantaram opined:
> From a weblogging/journalists point of view, I like what Rebecca Blood does.All well and good, till the day NYTimes.com decides that it will restict a
>She mentions the the username (rebeccas_pocket) and password (I think it's
>"blood") of a dummy account beside an NYT link. That was very helpful,
>because earlier on, I wouldn't click on NYT links. The thought of a sign-up
>process would deter me.
user name to only one session or IP.
For NY Times articles, simply change the "www" in the URL to "partners" and
you'll get in without any login process. For example:
This may not be the place for it, but I've always given false information
for any such registration process. I was born in 1970 in the Falkland
Islands, I'm in the lowest income group, I have absolutely no hobbies,
never buy online, and my ZIP code is 90210.
All false, of course.
But they probably don't have any targeted advertising for Falkland Islands :)
Do many of you do that too?
>I believe that as the Web goes form free to paid, user experience will takeWe'll always have Google cache :P
>a kick due to widespread linkrot. I've written on this topic before:
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User Experience Consultant
- jm writes:
> I was wondering what was your 'policy' about linking to articlesI link to things I find interesting. If my readers can't figure out
> that are not free (e.g. on WSJ, The Economist or Salon Premium) or
> that requires a cookie / free registration (NYTimes) ?
how to fill out a free registration box, or don't want to pay for the
same publications I pay for, that's their call.
If there's not a teaser at the site for non-paying members, I'll
probably go out of my way to describe why I think a particular
document is worthwhile, but so far Salon provides most of the meat of
the article, in fact enough that if you care you can go find the rest
of the facts in the article with Google, that it hasn't bothered me.
I should probably subscribe to the Economist, but I'm trying to cut
back on my mandatory reading.
- Hello Madhu,
Monday, November 19, 2001, 9:04:03 AM, you wrote:
MM> This may not be the place for it, but I've always given false information
MM> for any such registration process. I was born in 1970 in the Falkland
MM> Islands, I'm in the lowest income group, I have absolutely no hobbies,
MM> never buy online, and my ZIP code is 90210.
MM> All false, of course.
MM> But they probably don't have any targeted advertising for Falkland Islands :)
MM> Do many of you do that too?
Indeed. But I don't discriminate against just websites. I also do
this on grocery store frequent buyer clubs, ordering pizza, and
magazine subscriptions. billg has received a few Safeway Club Cards
from me, and most people still give you a funny look when you give a
very assumed name when ordering a sandwich (tuna on rye
It can be a useful technique for more than just identity hiding. I
would give a fake title at most of the technical conferences I've
attended, and then proceeded to see how they sell my name based upon
the mail I receive with the fake title.
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