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  • Martin Pratt
    Hello a question from a complete beginner here. Can anyone tell me whether the statistics on Google Analytics include hits from search engine spiders, or
    Message 1 of 10 , May 3 2:16 AM
      Hello

      a question from a complete beginner here.

      Can anyone tell me whether the statistics on Google Analytics include
      hits from search engine spiders, or whether these are stripped out?

      Thanks

      Martin



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    • Nicolas Aucher
      Search engine spiders generally do not run javascript or load images hence do not send data to Google Analytics or other tagging solutions. However some
      Message 2 of 10 , May 3 7:35 AM
        Search engine spiders generally do not run javascript or load images hence do
        not send data to Google Analytics or other tagging solutions.

        However some automated systems (keynote,gomez...) DO run javascript and/or load
        images might be taken into account. If you are using such systems, you might
        want to add a filter to discard data coming from them.

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        Selon Martin Pratt <m_pratt@...>:

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        > Hello
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        > a question from a complete beginner here.
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        > Can anyone tell me whether the statistics on Google Analytics include
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        > hits from search engine spiders, or whether these are stripped out?
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        > Thanks
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        > Martin
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      • Sean Roylance
        Martin, According to the Google Analytics help center, they do not track hits from search engine spiders. Here is a link that explains it:
        Message 3 of 10 , May 3 8:22 AM
          Martin,

          According to the Google Analytics help center, they do not track hits from search engine spiders.

          Here is a link that explains it:
          http://www.google.com/support/analytics/bin/answer.py?answer=27237&query=spider&topic=0&type=f

          Hope that helps.

          Sean

          ----- Original Message ----
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          Subject: RE: [webanalytics] Re: Google Analytics - do the stats include hits from spiders?

          Hello

          a question from a complete beginner here.

          Can anyone tell me whether the statistics on Google Analytics include
          hits from search engine spiders, or whether these are stripped out?

          Thanks

          Martin



          Martin Pratt
          Senior Executive

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        • Mike Chipman
          Hi Martin. Google Analytics uses a javascript-generated tracking cookie, similar to HBX/CoreMetrics/Omniture/etc. Only spiders that process javascript will
          Message 4 of 10 , May 3 8:43 AM
            Hi Martin. Google Analytics uses a javascript-generated tracking cookie,
            similar to HBX/CoreMetrics/Omniture/etc. Only spiders that process
            javascript will be tracked. That being said, most search engine spiders do
            not process javascript.


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            On 5/3/06, Martin Pratt <m_pratt@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hello
            >
            > a question from a complete beginner here.
            >
            > Can anyone tell me whether the statistics on Google Analytics include
            > hits from search engine spiders, or whether these are stripped out?
            >
            > Thanks
            >
            > Martin
            >
            >
            >
            > Martin Pratt
            > Senior Executive
            >
            > Institution of Mechanical Engineers
            > Research and Communications
            > 1 Birdcage Walk, Westminster
            > London SW1H 9JJ
            > e-mail: m_pratt@...
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          • Jackson, Janet (GE Healthcare)
            Ok, quick question regarding this....is that a good thing or bad thing that most search engine spiders do not process javascript? Janet M. Jackson E-Commerce
            Message 5 of 10 , May 3 10:12 AM
              Ok, quick question regarding this....is that a good thing or bad thing
              that most search engine spiders do not process javascript?


              Janet M. Jackson
              E-Commerce Marketing Specialist
              GE Healthcare
              Surgery
              640 Wright Brothers Drive
              Salt Lake City, UT 84116
              T: (801) 536-4544
              F: (801) 517-6523
              D: 8*255-4544
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              www.gehealthcare.com

              -----Original Message-----
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              On Behalf Of Mike Chipman
              Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:44 AM
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              Subject: Re: [webanalytics] Re: Google Analytics - do the stats include
              hits from spiders?

              Hi Martin. Google Analytics uses a javascript-generated tracking
              cookie, similar to HBX/CoreMetrics/Omniture/etc. Only spiders that
              process javascript will be tracked. That being said, most search engine
              spiders do not process javascript.


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              On 5/3/06, Martin Pratt <m_pratt@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hello
              >
              > a question from a complete beginner here.
              >
              > Can anyone tell me whether the statistics on Google Analytics include
              > hits from search engine spiders, or whether these are stripped out?
              >
              > Thanks
              >
              > Martin
              >
              >
              >
              > Martin Pratt
              > Senior Executive
              >
              > Institution of Mechanical Engineers
              > Research and Communications
              > 1 Birdcage Walk, Westminster
              > London SW1H 9JJ
              > e-mail: m_pratt@...
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            • Andrew Edwards
              Hi Janet-- That is a good thing assuming you want to count actual page views as page views, and not thousands or even millions of spider/robot hits to your
              Message 6 of 10 , May 3 10:21 AM
                Hi Janet--

                That is a good thing assuming you want to count actual page views as
                page views, and not thousands or even millions of spider/robot hits to
                your pages that do not represent actual people accessing the pages.

                Generally speaking, utilization of java tags increases accuracy and
                depresses overall page views--without tagging, your raw page view
                numbers are almost always artificially inflated by robot and spider
                activity. . .

                --Andrew Edwards

                Jackson, Janet (GE Healthcare) wrote:

                >Ok, quick question regarding this....is that a good thing or bad thing
                >that most search engine spiders do not process javascript?
                >
                >
                >Janet M. Jackson
                >E-Commerce Marketing Specialist
                >GE Healthcare
                >Surgery
                >640 Wright Brothers Drive
                >Salt Lake City, UT 84116
                >T: (801) 536-4544
                >F: (801) 517-6523
                >D: 8*255-4544
                >E: janet.jackson@...
                >www.gehealthcare.com
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                >From: webanalytics@yahoogroups.com [mailto:webanalytics@yahoogroups.com]
                >On Behalf Of Mike Chipman
                >Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:44 AM
                >To: webanalytics@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: Re: [webanalytics] Re: Google Analytics - do the stats include
                >hits from spiders?
                >
                >Hi Martin. Google Analytics uses a javascript-generated tracking
                >cookie, similar to HBX/CoreMetrics/Omniture/etc. Only spiders that
                >process javascript will be tracked. That being said, most search engine
                >spiders do not process javascript.
                >
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                >On 5/3/06, Martin Pratt <m_pratt@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                >>Hello
                >>
                >>a question from a complete beginner here.
                >>
                >>Can anyone tell me whether the statistics on Google Analytics include
                >>hits from search engine spiders, or whether these are stripped out?
                >>
                >>Thanks
                >>
                >>Martin
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>Martin Pratt
                >>Senior Executive
                >>
                >>Institution of Mechanical Engineers
                >>Research and Communications
                >>1 Birdcage Walk, Westminster
                >>London SW1H 9JJ
                >>e-mail: m_pratt@...
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              • Lars
                That depends on what you want to measure. From a SEO point of view you may want to know which spiders come to your website, how often they come and what pages
                Message 7 of 10 , May 3 10:30 AM
                  That depends on what you want to measure.
                  From a SEO point of view you may want to know which spiders come to
                  your website, how often
                  they come and what pages they spider. But if you're tracking visitors
                  and want to look at conversion
                  rates it'd be a mistake to include traffic from spiders.

                  Lars


                  Jackson, Janet (GE Healthcare) wrote:
                  > Ok, quick question regarding this....is that a good thing or bad thing
                  > that most search engine spiders do not process javascript?
                  >
                  >
                  > Janet M. Jackson
                  > E-Commerce Marketing Specialist
                  > GE Healthcare
                  > Surgery
                  > 640 Wright Brothers Drive
                  > Salt Lake City, UT 84116
                  > T: (801) 536-4544
                  > F: (801) 517-6523
                  > D: 8*255-4544
                  > E: janet.jackson@...
                  > www.gehealthcare.com
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: webanalytics@yahoogroups.com [mailto:webanalytics@yahoogroups.com]
                  > On Behalf Of Mike Chipman
                  > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:44 AM
                  > To: webanalytics@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [webanalytics] Re: Google Analytics - do the stats include
                  > hits from spiders?
                  >
                  > Hi Martin. Google Analytics uses a javascript-generated tracking
                  > cookie, similar to HBX/CoreMetrics/Omniture/etc. Only spiders that
                  > process javascript will be tracked. That being said, most search engine
                  > spiders do not process javascript.
                  >
                  >
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                • Seby Kallarakkal
                  The good thing is that it saves you the trouble of eliminating spider traffic later. But if you are kind of very sensitive about search engine optimization and
                  Message 8 of 10 , May 3 10:54 AM
                    The good thing is that it saves you the trouble of eliminating spider traffic later. But if you are kind of very sensitive about search engine optimization and if you are keen to know which spider visited which page and when, spider traffic data helps.

                    Hope that helps.

                    Seby



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                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: "Jackson, Janet \(GE Healthcare\)" <janet.jackson@...>
                    Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:12:06
                    To:<webanalytics@yahoogroups.com>
                    Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [webanalytics] Re: Google Analytics - do the stats include hits from spiders?

                    Ok, quick question regarding this....is that a good thing or bad thing
                    that most search engine spiders do not process javascript?


                    Janet M. Jackson
                    E-Commerce Marketing Specialist
                    GE Healthcare
                    Surgery
                    640 Wright Brothers Drive
                    Salt Lake City, UT 84116
                    T: (801) 536-4544
                    F: (801) 517-6523
                    D: 8*255-4544
                    E: janet.jackson@...
                    www.gehealthcare.com

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: webanalytics@yahoogroups.com [mailto:webanalytics@yahoogroups.com]
                    On Behalf Of Mike Chipman
                    Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:44 AM
                    To: webanalytics@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [webanalytics] Re: Google Analytics - do the stats include
                    hits from spiders?

                    Hi Martin.  Google Analytics uses a javascript-generated tracking
                    cookie, similar to HBX/CoreMetrics/Omniture/etc.  Only spiders that
                    process javascript will be tracked.  That being said, most search engine
                    spiders do not process javascript.


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                    On 5/3/06, Martin Pratt <m_pratt@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hello
                    >
                    > a question from a complete beginner here.
                    >
                    > Can anyone tell me whether the statistics on Google Analytics include
                    > hits from search engine spiders, or whether these are stripped out?
                    >
                    > Thanks
                    >
                    > Martin
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Martin Pratt
                    > Senior Executive
                    >
                    > Institution of Mechanical Engineers
                    > Research and Communications
                    > 1 Birdcage Walk, Westminster
                    > London SW1H 9JJ
                    > e-mail: m_pratt@...
                    >
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                  • Stephen Turner
                    ... Some advocates of page tagging have claimed that this is an advantage of the page tagging methodology over logfiles, but I ve always argued the opposite:
                    Message 9 of 10 , May 4 1:55 PM
                      --- In webanalytics@yahoogroups.com, "Jackson, Janet \(GE
                      Healthcare\)" <janet.jackson@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Ok, quick question regarding this....is that a good thing or bad thing
                      > that most search engine spiders do not process javascript?
                      >

                      Some advocates of page tagging have claimed that this is an advantage
                      of the page tagging methodology over logfiles, but I've always argued
                      the opposite: that this is one of the main advantages of using
                      logfiles rather than page tagging. Of course, the spider data
                      shouldn't be included in the same category as ordinary visitors, but a
                      good program will deal with that automatically for you. But for SEO,
                      that data is useful, and with logfiles it's there when you need it.

                      Of course, there are other advantages of page tagging over logfiles.
                      I'm only saying that the decision is not as obvious as some people claim.

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                      WINNER: ClickZ Best Web Analytics Tool 2003, 2004 & 2005
                    • Martin Pratt
                      Sean thanks for pointing that out, most helpful. Martin Martin Pratt Senior Executive Institution of Mechanical Engineers Research and Communications 1
                      Message 10 of 10 , May 5 12:55 AM
                        Sean

                        thanks for pointing that out, most helpful.

                        Martin


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                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: webanalytics@yahoogroups.com [mailto:webanalytics@yahoogroups.com]
                        On Behalf Of Sean Roylance
                        Sent: 03 May 2006 16:23
                        To: webanalytics@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [webanalytics] Re: Google Analytics - do the stats include
                        hits from spiders?


                        Martin,

                        According to the Google Analytics help center, they do not track hits
                        from search engine spiders.

                        Here is a link that explains it:
                        http://www.google.com/support/analytics/bin/answer.py?answer=27237
                        <http://www.google.com/support/analytics/bin/answer.py?answer=27237&quer
                        y=spider&topic=0&type=f> &query=spider&topic=0&type=f

                        Hope that helps.

                        Sean

                        ----- Original Message ----
                        From: Martin Pratt <m_pratt@...>
                        To: webanalytics@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 3:16:39 AM
                        Subject: RE: [webanalytics] Re: Google Analytics - do the stats include
                        hits from spiders?

                        Hello

                        a question from a complete beginner here.

                        Can anyone tell me whether the statistics on Google Analytics include
                        hits from search engine spiders, or whether these are stripped out?

                        Thanks

                        Martin



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