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  • propfow
    Jul 3, 2008
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      alexbrasil489,

      Just as an FYI I got your joke and agree with you. Never like to hear
      "well, I do X on the internet" either.

      John O'Farrell
      Senior Interactive Strategist
      Addison


      --- In webanalytics@yahoogroups.com, "alexbrasil489" <alexbrasil@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Hailong, I apologize-- I was not laughing at you at all and everything
      > you said was right. By Hippo, I mean the term "highest paid person's
      > opinion", which means that instead of using data and analysis, as we
      > all do here, an individual who does not get it will simply state the
      > right way.
      >
      > When you said an all flash site was evidently flawed in some way, I
      > was laughing because, while it is evident to you and I, it is not so
      > evident to the Hippos I deal with.
      >
      > For reference, Hippo is a play on words, as it also refers to the
      > Hippopotamus animal.
      >
      > Hope that clears it up.
      > --- In webanalytics@yahoogroups.com, "Hailong Xia" <hailong.xia@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi,
      > >
      > > Maybe I would say something that make you laugh before getting a
      > headache :
      > > I'm sorry but I just can't understand your message due to my poor
      > English;-(
      > > And Hippos, you are talking about the CMS?
      > >
      > > After all, I want to complete my phrase with "The limits of Flash
      > only site
      > > are evident *for SEO*".
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:11 PM, alexbrasil489 <alexbrasil@> wrote:
      > >
      > > > Evident you say? You sir, have not battled the neighborhood
      friendly
      > > > Hippos enough, and for that, feel blessed. For me, Flash is the
      > > > epitome of evil, a blight on this land that needs to be eradicated.
      > > >
      > > > It feeds the Hippos, it nurtures them and allows them to wander the
      > > > World Wide Jungle with impunity, biding their time beneath the water
      > > > just waiting to strike well reasoned arguments and data down with
      > > > their language, Hippospeak. Blood curdling phrases such as "when I
      > > > browse the web I do X", and "people don't want X, they want Y",
      > > > without consulting anything to form their opinion or, even, better,
      > > > directly contradicting it are fed by the religion of Flash, and make
      > > > no mistake, this is a religion of evil doers.
      > > >
      > > > I have done battle with these Hippos, and struggled as it is. This
      > > > announcement is like giving Goliath a device that happens to counter
      > > > slings.
      > > >
      > > > --- In webanalytics@yahoogroups.com
      <webanalytics%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > > > "Hailong Xia" <hailong.xia@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > The limits of Flash only site are evident. The benefit of this
      > > > improvement
      > > > > is, for the SEOer, another source of traffic and another workshop;
      > > > for the
      > > > > welfare of Internet, more resources would be easily accessible.
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Sean Carlos <sean@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > > Actually what Google has announced is significant
      improvements to
      > > > > > their ability to extract information, specifically text and
      links,
      > > > > > from Flash objects. They already crawled and extracted
      information
      > > > > > from Flash only sites - this is nothing new (Ref [1])!
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Before site architects and designers rush off to develop Flash
      > only
      > > > > > websites, they should still consider:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > * Flash only websites are missing the full semantic richness
      > various
      > > > > > html tags provide Search Engines for the indexing and ranking
      > process.
      > > > > > Flash is a poor substitute to html.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > * Flash only websites don't usually provide unique URLs for
      > different
      > > > > > site "pages", necessary for bookmarking, sharing links, inbound
      > > > > > linking, detailed web analytics tracking....
      > > > > >
      > > > > > * Flash sites are almost always slower to load - the browser
      > has to
      > > > > > load the flash player (or worse, ask that it be installed),
      > then load
      > > > > > the entire site or section of site contained in the flash
      object.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > A more detailed description of the problems inherent in Flash
      > can be
      > > > > > found in footnote [2].
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I've seen designers worth their salt perform wonders with
      standard
      > > > > > html and css. Flash, except in rare cases, no thanks.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > - Sean Carlos
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --------
      > > > > > [1] Optimizing Flash for Search Engines
      > > > > > http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=2161851
      > > > > >
      > > > > > [2] 7 Top Problems using Flash in Website Development
      > > > > > http://www.antezeta.com/flash-problems.html
      > > > > > (also in Italian: http://www.antezeta.it/problemi-flash.html )
      > > > > >
      > > > > > __________________________________________________
      > > > > > Antezeta Internet Marketing
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Tel: +39 02 69 000 333 Eng: www.antezeta.com
      > > > > > Skype: sean-carlos Ita: www.antezeta.it
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Blog: www.antezeta.it/blog
      > > > > > www.antezeta.com/blog
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In webanalytics@yahoogroups.com
      > <webanalytics%40yahoogroups.com><webanalytics%
      > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
      > > > > > Praveen kumar <praveen_vee@>
      > > > > > wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > It has been announced that Google and Yahoo will start
      crawling
      > > > FLASH.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
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