17489RE: [webanalytics] Re: Analtyics voor mobile phones.
- May 30, 2008Hey,
I completely agree - both methods are not accurate to a level that I'd
However, Brendan stated:
> > accurate (in the dictionary sense of accurate) than log analysis.This is simply not true - this is what I was attempting to point out.
The limitations of both methods are known but the effects that caching
has on the accuracy of logfile analysis is far greater than those that
afflict non cached tags.
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Subject: [webanalytics] Re: Analtyics voor mobile phones.
As Avinash likes to say (paraphrase) "they all suck, just pick the
tool that sucks less for you"
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<mailto:webanalytics%40yahoogroups.com> , "Brendan Butterworth"
> Greets Craig,
> Take a quick re-read. I'm talking dictionary definition of
> accuracy, which is to say "having determinate limitations; exactly or
> sharply defined or stated; definite; exact; nice; not vague or
> equivocal." I'm also very specific about the scope of log analysis -
> it is exactly what happened on the web server, and is a tool that is
> very effective for network administration, useful for threat
> detection, capacity planning, and so on.
> I agree that there are efficient caches, and I did highlight that
> page views even when the page wasn't requested from your server".
> implementation will depend on various factors (I've snuck in one
> - Presence or absence of noscript tag
> - Client use of anti-tracking browser extensions, firewalls, proxies,
> and HOSTS files
> Other members of the list may have more to add.
> All of these illustrate to me that the numbers generated by a
> they are vague to a certain, unmeasurable degree.
> Overall, I stand by my assertion that, when it comes down to it, web
> analytics isn't about numbers, and therefore accuracy doesn't have to
> play a front and center role. It's about trending, and when you're
> trending, consistency is a great stand-in for accuracy.
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Craig Sullivan
> <craig.sullivan@...> wrote:
> > Brendan,
> > always going to be more accurate than log files.
> > There are local caches maintained by the browser (IE is particularly
> > aggressive) and many ISPs (e.g. AOL) operate large banks of
> > proxy servers that also do caching between client and origin server.in
> > The net effect of losing cached page views will make a serious dent
> > the figures.<mailto:webanalytics%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Regards,
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> > Craig Sullivan
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> > Subject: Re: [webanalytics] Analtyics voor mobile phones.on
> > I have to jump in on the 'analyzing server log files are not so
> > Web server log analysis gives you the best picture of what happened
> > the web server. It remains an excellent tool for understanding theadministrator.
> > actual use of the resources, a great way of detecting and analyzing
> > attacks on servers - overall a solid tool for a network
> > page views even when the page wasn't requested from your server). Itbrowser
> > will either include a noscript tag in order to track HTTP clients
> > depending on tool and implementation, which has a unique set of
> > implications. This type of tracking can be blocked by certain
> > doesn't care about physical web server location, and can be
> > business and marketing types - especially since it's more often tied
> > to recognizable brand names.
> > accurate (in the dictionary sense of accurate) than log analysis.
> > However, the business of web analytics isn't knowing you had exactly
> > 107 page views - it's knowing that the number of visitors to the web
> > site this month has increased in a statistically significant manner
> > the number of visitors last month. It's knowing that the tweaks madedesigned
> > to the buying funnel have resulted in an increase in conversions.
> > Most of the time it's not about numbers - it's about trends.
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:37 AM, emiel.kamzol <emiel.kamzol@...
> > <mailto:emiel.kamzol%40gmail.com> > wrote:
> >> Hi there,
> >> I'm trying to find out how web analytics works for websites
> >> tagging and loading an 1x1 px image.<https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/wQw0zmjPoHdJTZGyOCrrhg==>
> >> Is it true that it only works whit analyzing local server log file?
> >> ore is there also another way? Because I understand that analyzing
> >> Thanks in advance.
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