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13783Re: page tags vs web server logs diagram

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  • Paul Holstein
    Nov 1, 2007
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      I wouldn't say he lied. I read a couple of his books and I know Eric
      personally. I've never gotten the impression that he's said anything
      other than what I've written.

      I'm sure he'll clarify this shortly.

      --Paul


      --- In webanalytics@yahoogroups.com, "Rachel" <remtheory@...> wrote:
      >
      > Really? So Eric Peterson lied? Or did I misread? :(
      >
      > --- In webanalytics@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Holstein" <paul@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Unfortunately, neither log files nor page tags gather
      geographical
      > > information. Both gather the IP address only. There is only one
      IP
      > > address sent to the web server and the client's Proxy servers
      will
      > > show the same one, no matter where the connection originated.
      > >
      > > To get geographical information, either solution must reference a
      > > lookup table that tries to match up IP addresses with locations.
      > > This is an imprecise science that is not 100% accurate.
      > >
      > > A page tagging solution may make it easier to gather geographic
      > > information, but there is no reason to believe it would be more
      > > accurate.
      > >
      > > --Paul
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In webanalytics@yahoogroups.com, "Rachel" <remtheory@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Wow, you guys are great. I knew it wasn't right, but I was
      > > struggling
      > > > to get the picture in my head. I think it's a bit clearer now.
      For
      > > > what it's worth, I'd like to explain my bias for page tagging.
      Not
      > > > trying to have a war, but my rationale is below. At this point
      for
      > > us
      > > > it's not about choosing which method, it's just about giving
      the
      > > staff
      > > > a brief understanding as to why we chose it. I'd like to make
      the
      > > > claim of greater accuracy and I thought I could do it based on
      my
      > > > reading of Web Analytics Demystified. So, here's the
      rationale...
      > > >
      > > > 1. Web Analytics Demystified laid out one big pro for me, which
      is
      > > > understanding where, geographically, our visitors come from
      (esp
      > > since
      > > > we're working on outreach to other countries). It's my
      understanding
      > > > that web server logs don't accurately count geography due to
      proxy
      > > > caching. Maybe it's true for page tags, but I didn't get that
      from
      > > the
      > > > book.
      > > >
      > > > 2. We're a google-friendly nonprofit (in other words, we've got
      a
      > > > google grant, so the more google we use, the better. :))
      > > >
      > > > 3. In our case, page tagging is a much easier setup than server
      > > logs,
      > > > and certainly cheaper than buying a web analytics product (FWIW
      at
      > > > former jobs I've used Webtrends - horrible processing
      experience -
      > > and
      > > > Urchin pre-Google - great product, but still processing large
      files
      > > > was a PITA).
      > > >
      > > > --- In webanalytics@yahoogroups.com, "Rachel" <remtheory@>
      wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Hey guys, I wanted a visual to illustrate why page tags
      (like
      > > google
      > > > > analytics) are better than web server logs because you have
      to go
      > > > > through the ISP to get visitor information instead of right
      from
      > > the
      > > > > browser (and therefore improving accuracy). First off, is
      what I
      > > drew
      > > > > even right? Secondly, is it easy to follow? I'm showing this
      > > during a
      > > > > brownbag about web analytics at my org. I added it as a file
      in
      > > the
      > > > > forum: http://tinyurl.com/2bx98b Thanks! Rachel
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
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