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  • lone gunman
    new chap, im jon, have a enfield wd/co, thought i would say hello.
    Message 1 of 27 , Oct 6, 2006
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      new chap, im jon, have a enfield wd/co, thought i would say hello.
    • Jim Steed
      Hi everyone, As a newbie to the world of old English motorcycles (particularly of the WD kind), and now having had a few weeks to play with my Matchless G3L
      Message 2 of 27 , Oct 6, 2006
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        Hi everyone,

        As a "newbie" to the world of old English motorcycles (particularly of the WD
        kind), and now having had a few weeks to play with my Matchless G3L (which I
        absolutely love), I have a few general questions that I am sure will be easy for
        you to answer and most enlightening to me:

        (1) On the chain guard there is what appears to be a mounting for a tyre pump.
        Is this correct and if so, can someone point to a picture of what one may look
        like - in case I am lucky enough to stumble upon one somewhere.

        (2) The bike is currently running a small relatively modern horn, but came with
        a very large, but non-working that looks to be original. It is a Lucas Altette
        and is about 12 cm (4.7f inches) in diameter. Of course Is this an original type
        horn and are they able to be rebuilt?

        (3)I have all the lights working now, but I don't see any increase in voltage
        across the battery when the engine is revved, so I assume the battery is doing
        all the work and the Dynamo and/or voltage regulator (both Lucas) are not doing
        their thing. What was the am[-hour rating for the original battery?
        Is there anything simple to test (other than what I have already done) without
        pulling the Dynamo out? Are the two wires from the Dynamo simply DC voltage
        positive and negative, in which case I could disconnect them at the voltage
        regulator and measure the voltage across them with the engine revved.

        Thanks for your time and knowledge

        Jim Steed
        Canberra, Australia
      • matchlesswdg3
        Jim, I run a WDG3 as well and I think I can answer your queries. 1. Yes the chainguard has mountings for the standard air pump (as fitted to bikes of
        Message 3 of 27 , Oct 8, 2006
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          Jim, I run a WDG3 as well and I think I can answer your queries.
          1. Yes the chainguard has mountings for the standard air pump (as
          fitted to bikes of 40s/50s/60s vintage) that you can still buy new
          (eg from Ron Farthing - not sure who your local supplier will be) -
          although there MAY be a WD version that would be "pukka". I have
          one, but tend not to fit it as it likely would fall off or get
          stolen! 2. Yes the big Altette is standard and my machine also had a
          modern horn and a non-working Altette. I took the latter to bits -
          easy, cleaned it up (rusty inside) and it worked fine. But yes, you
          can have Altettes serviced AND get new bits. Again, I can let you
          have details of UK sources of spares/repair. 3. Yes my machine is
          also the same as yours - the dynamo does not work - they are
          notoriously unreliable and its a pain to get at them to repair - and
          then they immediately stop working again! I have not bothered to
          touch mine, which is OK, because I have a full blackout mask on the
          headlamp and only ride it in daytime, so just charge up the battery
          so that the brake light works OK. One big advantage in having an old
          fashioned magneto. Good luck! Ferg.


          --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, Jim Steed <jimsteed@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi everyone,
          >
          > As a "newbie" to the world of old English motorcycles (particularly
          of the WD
          > kind), and now having had a few weeks to play with my Matchless G3L
          (which I
          > absolutely love), I have a few general questions that I am sure
          will be easy for
          > you to answer and most enlightening to me:
          >
          > (1) On the chain guard there is what appears to be a mounting for a
          tyre pump.
          > Is this correct and if so, can someone point to a picture of what
          one may look
          > like - in case I am lucky enough to stumble upon one somewhere.
          >
          > (2) The bike is currently running a small relatively modern horn,
          but came with
          > a very large, but non-working that looks to be original. It is a
          Lucas Altette
          > and is about 12 cm (4.7f inches) in diameter. Of course Is this an
          original type
          > horn and are they able to be rebuilt?
          >
          > (3)I have all the lights working now, but I don't see any increase
          in voltage
          > across the battery when the engine is revved, so I assume the
          battery is doing
          > all the work and the Dynamo and/or voltage regulator (both Lucas)
          are not doing
          > their thing. What was the am[-hour rating for the original battery?
          > Is there anything simple to test (other than what I have already
          done) without
          > pulling the Dynamo out? Are the two wires from the Dynamo simply DC
          voltage
          > positive and negative, in which case I could disconnect them at the
          voltage
          > regulator and measure the voltage across them with the engine
          revved.
          >
          > Thanks for your time and knowledge
          >
          > Jim Steed
          > Canberra, Australia
          >
        • Jim Steed
          Thanks Ferg, I think I may already have spied a suitable pump - which I guess I will have to paint a suitable drab army colour to match my bike :-) Just in
          Message 4 of 27 , Oct 8, 2006
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            Thanks Ferg,

            I think I may already have spied a suitable pump - which I guess I will have to
            paint a suitable drab army colour to match my bike :-)
            Just in case,can you please supply the contact details for Ron Farthing (I
            assume he is a commercial concern?).

            I will get stuck into the Altette horn and make it work. By the size of it it
            should scare of a few trucks :-)

            And yes, a battery only lighting system should be quite adequate.

            Cheers

            Jim Steed

            matchlesswdg3 wrote:
            > Jim, I run a WDG3 as well and I think I can answer your queries.
            > 1. Yes the chainguard has mountings for the standard air pump (as
            > fitted to bikes of 40s/50s/60s vintage) that you can still buy new
            > (eg from Ron Farthing - not sure who your local supplier will be) -
            > although there MAY be a WD version that would be "pukka". I have
            > one, but tend not to fit it as it likely would fall off or get
            > stolen! 2. Yes the big Altette is standard and my machine also had a
            > modern horn and a non-working Altette. I took the latter to bits -
            > easy, cleaned it up (rusty inside) and it worked fine. But yes, you
            > can have Altettes serviced AND get new bits. Again, I can let you
            > have details of UK sources of spares/repair. 3. Yes my machine is
            > also the same as yours - the dynamo does not work - they are
            > notoriously unreliable and its a pain to get at them to repair - and
            > then they immediately stop working again! I have not bothered to
            > touch mine, which is OK, because I have a full blackout mask on the
            > headlamp and only ride it in daytime, so just charge up the battery
            > so that the brake light works OK. One big advantage in having an old
            > fashioned magneto. Good luck! Ferg.
          • m3bobby
            ... Hi John, I have the remnants of a WD/CO B, Its not going to bad, bigest problem I have is that some heavy handed idiot cut the rear tank support off the
            Message 5 of 27 , Oct 8, 2006
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              --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "lone gunman" <pvt237@...> wrote:
              >
              > new chap, im jon, have a enfield wd/co, thought i would say hello.
              >

              Hi John, I have the remnants of a WD/CO B, Its not going to bad, bigest
              problem I have is that some heavy handed idiot cut the rear tank
              support off the frame and also the 2 tangs that hold the rear fixed
              mudguard portion. Now I need to somehow find the correct dimensions for
              the parts. Agh well, all part of the fun. Is your Co complete or a
              restoration project??

              Chris
            • matchlesswdg3
              Jim, I don t have any addresses to hand - am in Romania on business for a few weeks, but suspect that your pump will be just fine and Rob confirms that the
              Message 6 of 27 , Oct 8, 2006
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                Jim, I don't have any addresses to hand - am in Romania on business
                for a few weeks, but suspect that your pump will be just fine and Rob
                confirms that the standard black plastic item is "as issued". Mind
                you, you can always try a Google for the pump and "Ron farthing"
                or "altette" and turn up the contact details. But the horn is very
                simple and all that was stopping mine working was a build-up of rusty
                gunge. But you can buy all the bits for it and at £60+ for a new
                one, its worth doing! Ferg.

                --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, Jim Steed <jimsteed@...> wrote:
                >
                > Thanks Ferg,
                >
                > I think I may already have spied a suitable pump - which I guess I
                will have to
                > paint a suitable drab army colour to match my bike :-)
                > Just in case,can you please supply the contact details for Ron
                Farthing (I
                > assume he is a commercial concern?).
                >
                > I will get stuck into the Altette horn and make it work. By the
                size of it it
                > should scare of a few trucks :-)
                >
                > And yes, a battery only lighting system should be quite adequate.
                >
                > Cheers
                >
                > Jim Steed
                >
                > matchlesswdg3 wrote:
                > > Jim, I run a WDG3 as well and I think I can answer your queries.
                > > 1. Yes the chainguard has mountings for the standard air pump (as
                > > fitted to bikes of 40s/50s/60s vintage) that you can still buy new
                > > (eg from Ron Farthing - not sure who your local supplier will
                be) -
                > > although there MAY be a WD version that would be "pukka". I have
                > > one, but tend not to fit it as it likely would fall off or get
                > > stolen! 2. Yes the big Altette is standard and my machine also
                had a
                > > modern horn and a non-working Altette. I took the latter to bits -
                > > easy, cleaned it up (rusty inside) and it worked fine. But yes,
                you
                > > can have Altettes serviced AND get new bits. Again, I can let you
                > > have details of UK sources of spares/repair. 3. Yes my machine is
                > > also the same as yours - the dynamo does not work - they are
                > > notoriously unreliable and its a pain to get at them to repair -
                and
                > > then they immediately stop working again! I have not bothered to
                > > touch mine, which is OK, because I have a full blackout mask on
                the
                > > headlamp and only ride it in daytime, so just charge up the
                battery
                > > so that the brake light works OK. One big advantage in having an
                old
                > > fashioned magneto. Good luck! Ferg.
                >
              • Jim Steed
                Ferg Following your advice, today I disassembled, cleaned, reassembled and adjusted my Altetta horn and now have it working. I am not sure what it sounded like
                Message 7 of 27 , Oct 9, 2006
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                  Ferg

                  Following your advice, today I disassembled, cleaned, reassembled and adjusted
                  my Altetta horn and now have it working.
                  I am not sure what it sounded like 65 years ago when it was new, but it sounds
                  to me now like a very large, very loud and very angry goose :-)

                  Thanks again

                  Jim Steed

                  matchlesswdg3 wrote:
                  > ... the horn is very simple and all that was stopping mine working was a build-up of rusty
                  > gunge. But you can buy all the bits for it and at £60+ for a new one, its worth doing!
                  > Ferg.
                • Rob van Meel
                  The tyre inflator would normally be in the colour that it was issued in, usually black! Rob _____ From: wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com
                  Message 8 of 27 , Oct 9, 2006
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                    The tyre infl a tor would norm a lly be in the colour th a t it w a s issued in, usu a lly bl a ck!

                     

                    Rob

                     


                    From: wdmotorcycles@y a hoogroups.com [m a ilto: wdmotorcycles@y a hoogroups.com ] On Beh a lf Of Jim Steed
                    Sent: Sund a y, October 08, 2006 2:55 PM
                    To: wdmotorcycles@y a hoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [wdmotorcycles] Re: 1941 M a tchless G3L questions

                     

                    Th a nks Ferg,

                    I think I m a y a lre a dy h a ve spied a suit a ble pump - which I guess I will h a ve to
                    p a int a suit a ble dr a b a rmy colour to m a tch my bike :-)
                    Just in c a se,c a n you ple a se supply the cont a ct det a ils for Ron F a rthing (I
                    a ssume he is a commerci a l concern?).

                    I will get stuck into the Altette horn a nd m a ke it work. By the size of it it
                    should sc a re of a few trucks :-)

                    And yes, a b a ttery only lighting system should be quite a dequ a te.

                    Cheers

                    Jim Steed

                    m a tchlesswdg3 wrote:

                    > Jim, I run a WDG3
                    w:st="on">a s well a nd I think I c a n a nswer your queries.
                    > 1. Yes the ch a ingu
                    w:st="on">a rd h a s mountings for the st a nd a rd a ir pump ( a s
                    > fitted to bikes of 40s/50s/60s vint a ge)
                    th a t you c a n still buy new
                    > (eg from Ron F a rthing - not
                    sure who your loc a l supplier will be) -
                    > a lthough there MAY be
                    w:st="on">a WD version th a t would be "pukk a ". I h a ve
                    > one, but tend not to fit it a s
                    it likely would f a ll off or get
                    > stolen! 2. Yes the big Altette is st a nd
                    w:st="on">a rd a nd my m a chine a lso h a d a
                    > modern horn a nd
                    w:st="on">a non-working Altette. I took the l a tter to bits -
                    > e a sy, cle a ned
                    it up (rusty inside) a nd it worked fine. But yes, you
                    > c a n h a ve
                    Altettes serviced AND get new bits. Ag a in, I c a n let you
                    > h a ve det a ils
                    of UK sources of sp a res/rep a ir. 3. Yes my m a chine is
                    > a lso the s
                    w:st="on">a me a s yours - the dyn a mo does not work - they a re
                    > notoriously unreli a ble
                    w:st="on">a nd its a p a in to get a t them to rep a ir - a nd
                    > then they immedi a tely stop
                    working a g a in! I h a ve not bothered to
                    > touch mine, which is OK, bec a use
                    I h a ve a full bl a ckout m a sk on the
                    > he a dl a mp
                    a nd only ride it in d a ytime, so just ch a rge up the b a ttery
                    > so th a t the br
                    w:st="on">a ke light works OK. One big a dv a nt a ge in h a ving a n old
                    > f a shioned m
                    w:st="on">a gneto. Good luck! Ferg.

                  • Edd
                    Hi Jim I run a 1941 G3L which is fairly unique in that the Dynamo works !! as does the charging system and lights. The system is not unreliable is just that
                    Message 9 of 27 , Oct 9, 2006
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                      Hi Jim
                       
                      I run a 1941 G3L  which is fairly unique in that the Dynamo works !! as does the charging system and lights.
                      The system is not unreliable is just that the Dynamo is a pain to get to and no one services it or repairs it. it makes sense to replace the bakelite end cap model (lucas E3AR  or Miller WDM ) with the later lucas  E3N   45 Watt version..  1946-. 
                      If you are more info on running the Matchless you should join the owners club..  very active down under .. and get "Old Bike Mart " a monthly paper.
                      These sources offer specialist parts and services.
                      My dynamo was rebuilt 3 years ago and some 10.000 miles later it is fine. use a solid state regulator that fits inside the lucas Reg Box.  I use  35 Watt Halogen headlight bulbs which enable acceptable night time riding. The system is still 6 volt
                      Ensure the chain runs at the proper tension or it flaps and makes a noise inside the case or if to tight does the dynamo bearings in.
                      I also use an original lead acid battery...not a modern one inside a dummy case...and again it works well
                       
                      Hpoe this helps   
                       
                      Ed Abbott.
                       
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Jim Steed
                      Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:57 PM
                      Subject: Re: [wdmotorcycles] Re: 1941 Matchless G3L questions

                      Ferg

                      Following your advice, today I disassembled, cleaned, reassembled and adjusted
                      my Altetta horn and now have it working.
                      I am not sure what it sounded like 65 years ago when it was new, but it sounds
                      to me now like a very large, very loud and very angry goose :-)

                      Thanks again

                      Jim Steed

                      matchlesswdg3 wrote:
                      > ... the horn is very simple and all that was stopping mine working was a build-up of rusty
                      > gunge. But you can buy all the bits for it and at £60+ for a new one, its worth doing!
                      > Ferg.

                    • matchlesswdg3
                      Well done on getting the Altette back working again! Edd, as always, supplies good advice and maybe some inspiration. My 44 example has a solid state
                      Message 10 of 27 , Oct 10, 2006
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                        Well done on getting the Altette back working again! Edd, as always,
                        supplies good advice and maybe some inspiration. My '44 example has
                        a solid state regulator lurking inside the original case, and like
                        Edd's also has a modern Jap battery inside the battery case. When
                        purchased, the dynamo was SUPPOSED to have been reconditioned, but
                        its never shown any inclination to work and as noted, I don't really
                        need it, so have not bothered. But as its about the only thing left
                        that's non-functional, maybe I will take Edds advice as well. Lots
                        of other things on my bike were supposed to have been restored (I
                        bought it in newly restored civilian trim!) and most indeed were, but
                        almost everything had to be taken apart and properly re-assembled
                        with little afterthoughts like oil and grease and the proper washers,
                        split pins, etc!! Its amazing what (?)sane people will do. Its taken
                        2 years to get it running well (touch wood)and back in more-or-less
                        pukka Normandy campaign trim but its now sweet as a nut and starts
                        with a slight brush of the kickstart (I may be slightly exaggerating
                        here!). As Edd notes, its good to join the AJS and Matchless club
                        and in Old Bike Mart, you will find contacts for specialist suppliers
                        (like AMC Classic Spares and Russels who both do WD bits and bobs) as
                        well as people like Armours who still can supply things like new non-
                        chromed downpipes that nearly fit! Good luck! Ferg

                        --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "Edd" <edd@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Hi Jim
                        >
                        > I run a 1941 G3L which is fairly unique in that the Dynamo
                        works !! as does the charging system and lights.
                        > The system is not unreliable is just that the Dynamo is a pain to
                        get to and no one services it or repairs it. it makes sense to
                        replace the bakelite end cap model (lucas E3AR or Miller WDM ) with
                        the later lucas E3N 45 Watt version.. 1946-.
                        > If you are more info on running the Matchless you should join the
                        owners club.. very active down under .. and get "Old Bike Mart " a
                        monthly paper.
                        > These sources offer specialist parts and services.
                        > My dynamo was rebuilt 3 years ago and some 10.000 miles later it is
                        fine. use a solid state regulator that fits inside the lucas Reg
                        Box. I use 35 Watt Halogen headlight bulbs which enable acceptable
                        night time riding. The system is still 6 volt
                        > Ensure the chain runs at the proper tension or it flaps and makes a
                        noise inside the case or if to tight does the dynamo bearings in.
                        > I also use an original lead acid battery...not a modern one inside
                        a dummy case...and again it works well
                        >
                        > Hpoe this helps
                        >
                        > Ed Abbott.
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Jim Steed
                        > To: wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:57 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [wdmotorcycles] Re: 1941 Matchless G3L questions
                        >
                        >
                        > Ferg
                        >
                        > Following your advice, today I disassembled, cleaned, reassembled
                        and adjusted
                        > my Altetta horn and now have it working.
                        > I am not sure what it sounded like 65 years ago when it was new,
                        but it sounds
                        > to me now like a very large, very loud and very angry goose :-)
                        >
                        > Thanks again
                        >
                        > Jim Steed
                        >
                        > matchlesswdg3 wrote:
                        > > ... the horn is very simple and all that was stopping mine
                        working was a build-up of rusty
                        > > gunge. But you can buy all the bits for it and at £60+ for a
                        new one, its worth doing!
                        > > Ferg.
                        >
                      • matchlesswdg3
                        Sorry - I mis-read what Edd said - I see that he uses an original large battery. I am unsure if this could add to reliability in the charging department, but
                        Message 11 of 27 , Oct 11, 2006
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                          Sorry - I mis-read what Edd said - I see that he uses an original
                          large battery. I am unsure if this could add to reliability in the
                          charging department, but of course charging is not helped by duff
                          batteries and the small ones you now buy do seem to be of variable
                          quality. Ferg

                          --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "matchlesswdg3"
                          <fergus.anckorn@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Well done on getting the Altette back working again! Edd, as
                          always,
                          > supplies good advice and maybe some inspiration. My '44 example
                          has
                          > a solid state regulator lurking inside the original case, and like
                          > Edd's also has a modern Jap battery inside the battery case. When
                          > purchased, the dynamo was SUPPOSED to have been reconditioned, but
                          > its never shown any inclination to work and as noted, I don't
                          really
                          > need it, so have not bothered. But as its about the only thing
                          left
                          > that's non-functional, maybe I will take Edds advice as well. Lots
                          > of other things on my bike were supposed to have been restored (I
                          > bought it in newly restored civilian trim!) and most indeed were,
                          but
                          > almost everything had to be taken apart and properly re-assembled
                          > with little afterthoughts like oil and grease and the proper
                          washers,
                          > split pins, etc!! Its amazing what (?)sane people will do. Its
                          taken
                          > 2 years to get it running well (touch wood)and back in more-or-less
                          > pukka Normandy campaign trim but its now sweet as a nut and starts
                          > with a slight brush of the kickstart (I may be slightly
                          exaggerating
                          > here!). As Edd notes, its good to join the AJS and Matchless club
                          > and in Old Bike Mart, you will find contacts for specialist
                          suppliers
                          > (like AMC Classic Spares and Russels who both do WD bits and bobs)
                          as
                          > well as people like Armours who still can supply things like new
                          non-
                          > chromed downpipes that nearly fit! Good luck! Ferg
                          >
                          > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "Edd" <edd@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Hi Jim
                          > >
                          > > I run a 1941 G3L which is fairly unique in that the Dynamo
                          > works !! as does the charging system and lights.
                          > > The system is not unreliable is just that the Dynamo is a pain to
                          > get to and no one services it or repairs it. it makes sense to
                          > replace the bakelite end cap model (lucas E3AR or Miller WDM )
                          with
                          > the later lucas E3N 45 Watt version.. 1946-.
                          > > If you are more info on running the Matchless you should join the
                          > owners club.. very active down under .. and get "Old Bike Mart " a
                          > monthly paper.
                          > > These sources offer specialist parts and services.
                          > > My dynamo was rebuilt 3 years ago and some 10.000 miles later it
                          is
                          > fine. use a solid state regulator that fits inside the lucas Reg
                          > Box. I use 35 Watt Halogen headlight bulbs which enable
                          acceptable
                          > night time riding. The system is still 6 volt
                          > > Ensure the chain runs at the proper tension or it flaps and makes
                          a
                          > noise inside the case or if to tight does the dynamo bearings in.
                          > > I also use an original lead acid battery...not a modern one
                          inside
                          > a dummy case...and again it works well
                          > >
                          > > Hpoe this helps
                          > >
                          > > Ed Abbott.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: Jim Steed
                          > > To: wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:57 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [wdmotorcycles] Re: 1941 Matchless G3L questions
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Ferg
                          > >
                          > > Following your advice, today I disassembled, cleaned,
                          reassembled
                          > and adjusted
                          > > my Altetta horn and now have it working.
                          > > I am not sure what it sounded like 65 years ago when it was
                          new,
                          > but it sounds
                          > > to me now like a very large, very loud and very angry goose :-)
                          > >
                          > > Thanks again
                          > >
                          > > Jim Steed
                          > >
                          > > matchlesswdg3 wrote:
                          > > > ... the horn is very simple and all that was stopping mine
                          > working was a build-up of rusty
                          > > > gunge. But you can buy all the bits for it and at £60+ for a
                          > new one, its worth doing!
                          > > > Ferg.
                          > >
                          >
                        • lone gunman
                          my co is a complete running bike, got demobbed in 1949, used as a run about for a while then dry stored, so im in the process of just tarting it up a bit, new
                          Message 12 of 27 , Oct 12, 2006
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                            my co is a complete running bike, got demobbed in 1949, used as a
                            run about for a while then dry stored, so im in the process of just
                            tarting it up a bit, new od paint, a rewire, the bikes sound and
                            runs well, has all the original army fittings from before its demob,
                            the lug sizes would depend, you have a later frame? its a fun bike
                            with a factor 90 grin involved,




                            In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "m3bobby" <m3bobby@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "lone gunman" <pvt237@>
                            wrote:
                            > >
                            > > new chap, im jon, have a enfield wd/co, thought i would say
                            hello.
                            > >
                            >
                            > Hi John, I have the remnants of a WD/CO B, Its not going to bad,
                            bigest
                            > problem I have is that some heavy handed idiot cut the rear tank
                            > support off the frame and also the 2 tangs that hold the rear
                            fixed
                            > mudguard portion. Now I need to somehow find the correct
                            dimensions for
                            > the parts. Agh well, all part of the fun. Is your Co complete or a
                            > restoration project??
                            >
                            > Chris
                            >
                          • m3bobby
                            Its the type 1 1/2 frame, the one with the first type front but the second type rear frame. I don t know much about it apart from it was found in a hedge! ...
                            Message 13 of 27 , Oct 12, 2006
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                              Its the type 1 1/2 frame, the one with the first type front but the
                              second type rear frame. I don't know much about it apart from it was
                              found in a hedge!


                              --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "lone gunman" <pvt237@...>
                              wrote:
                              >
                              > my co is a complete running bike, got demobbed in 1949, used as a
                              > run about for a while then dry stored, so im in the process of just
                              > tarting it up a bit, new od paint, a rewire, the bikes sound and
                              > runs well, has all the original army fittings from before its
                              demob,
                              > the lug sizes would depend, you have a later frame? its a fun bike
                              > with a factor 90 grin involved,
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "m3bobby" <m3bobby@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "lone gunman" <pvt237@>
                              > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > new chap, im jon, have a enfield wd/co, thought i would say
                              > hello.
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > Hi John, I have the remnants of a WD/CO B, Its not going to bad,
                              > bigest
                              > > problem I have is that some heavy handed idiot cut the rear tank
                              > > support off the frame and also the 2 tangs that hold the rear
                              > fixed
                              > > mudguard portion. Now I need to somehow find the correct
                              > dimensions for
                              > > the parts. Agh well, all part of the fun. Is your Co complete or
                              a
                              > > restoration project??
                              > >
                              > > Chris
                              > >
                              >
                            • lone gunman
                              ... needs measuring and i can take the measurements off mine, i wont be able to do it till the end of the month as im away at the moment, why cut the lugs off?
                              Message 14 of 27 , Oct 12, 2006
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                                --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "m3bobby" <m3bobby@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Its the type 1 1/2 frame, the one with the first type front but the
                                > second type rear frame. I don't know much about it apart from it was
                                > found in a hedge!
                                >
                                > if its the first type frame front then you can let me know what
                                needs measuring and i can take the measurements off mine, i wont be
                                able to do it till the end of the month as im away at the moment, why
                                cut the lugs off? does it look like a postwar conversion job? some
                                were used for early postwar cross country comps.

                                found in a hedge, sounds interesting, possibly a farm bike? last thing
                                i found in a hedge was a rare chain link for a 4 speed prewar bicycle
                                hub that i had been after for years.
                              • m3bobby
                                I ve no idea why anyone would cut the lugs off, there more hacked off than surgically removed. I can only assume that someone wanted the mounting points for
                                Message 15 of 27 , Oct 12, 2006
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                                  I've no idea why anyone would cut the lugs off, there more hacked off
                                  than surgically removed. I can only assume that someone wanted the
                                  mounting points for the fuel tank as both mounting point were missing
                                  aswell as the tank. Any help on dimensions would be greatly received.

                                  Cheers, Chris

                                  --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "lone gunman" <pvt237@...>
                                  wrote:
                                  >
                                  > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "m3bobby" <m3bobby@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Its the type 1 1/2 frame, the one with the first type front but
                                  the
                                  > > second type rear frame. I don't know much about it apart from it
                                  was
                                  > > found in a hedge!
                                  > >
                                  > > if its the first type frame front then you can let me know what
                                  > needs measuring and i can take the measurements off mine, i wont be
                                  > able to do it till the end of the month as im away at the moment,
                                  why
                                  > cut the lugs off? does it look like a postwar conversion job? some
                                  > were used for early postwar cross country comps.
                                  >
                                  > found in a hedge, sounds interesting, possibly a farm bike? last
                                  thing
                                  > i found in a hedge was a rare chain link for a 4 speed prewar
                                  bicycle
                                  > hub that i had been after for years.
                                  >
                                • lone gunman
                                  just to check, you want the measurements for the rear petrol tank mounting bracket/lugs , will get the measurements for you, for positional mounting you can
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Oct 15, 2006
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                                    just to check, you want the measurements for the rear petrol tank
                                    mounting bracket/lugs , will get the measurements for you, for
                                    positional mounting you can use the original position but make a final
                                    positioning check with the new tank on before tacking in position! the
                                    new one can be identical to the old one but its always advisable to
                                    check first in fitting, theres a short article by a chap in germany on
                                    wdcos with the frame/army number listings, type wdco in google and you
                                    should find it, gives an army number which is a start, jon
                                  • Jim Steed
                                    As I work my way through my 1941 matchless G3L, I come across little issues that may have already been solved by others, and I see no point in re-inventing the
                                    Message 17 of 27 , Oct 27, 2006
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                                      As I work my way through my 1941 matchless G3L, I come across little issues that
                                      may have already been solved by others, and I see no point in re-inventing the
                                      (Matchless) wheel :-).

                                      So here goes - this time there are two questions:

                                      (1) Although the manual I have says the front and rear brakes are the same, I
                                      have found that my back brake shoes' internal adjustment are different from the
                                      front (which have slots in a rotatable cap on the end of each brake shoe, as
                                      shown in the manual). The back ones have a round insert on the end of each brake
                                      shoe, which I assume could be padded out with shims or washers. Can anyone tell
                                      me if this was a common upgrade, and if so what motorcycle these brake shoes may
                                      have come from (I can supply images if necessary).

                                      (2) Similarly, although the manual states that the front and rear wheel hubs are
                                      substantially the same, the axle can be withdrawn from the rear hub, while the
                                      front axle is "captured" in the hub by the taper needle bearings and caps, as
                                      shown in the manual, and can only be replaced as a complete unit (spindle and
                                      bearings). Could the rear hub be a later conversion to a less expensive
                                      replacement wheel bearing system (or even a wheel from a different machine)? If
                                      so is this documented anywhere?

                                      Thanks for any ideas

                                      Jim Steed
                                      Canberra, Australia
                                    • John Tinley
                                      Hi Jim, Your bike is fine so nothing to worry about. They were fitted with both types of brake shoes and obviously you have one of each. AMC must have upgraded
                                      Message 18 of 27 , Oct 27, 2006
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                                        Hi Jim,
                                         
                                        Your bike is fine so nothing to worry about.
                                         
                                        They were fitted with both types of brake shoes and obviously you have one of each. AMC must have upgraded some time during the war and no doubt someone will be able to give you the exact time and day they changed over.
                                         
                                        The wheels are as they should be as standard.
                                         
                                        Kind regards,
                                         
                                        John Tinley
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Jim Steed
                                        Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:15 AM
                                        Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Another 1941 Matchless G3L question

                                        As I work my way through my 1941 matchless G3L, I come across little issues that
                                        may have already been solved by others, and I see no point in re-inventing the
                                        (Matchless) wheel :-).

                                        So here goes - this time there are two questions:

                                        (1) Although the manual I have says the front and rear brakes are the same, I
                                        have found that my back brake shoes' internal adjustment are different from the
                                        front (which have slots in a rotatable cap on the end of each brake shoe, as
                                        shown in the manual). The back ones have a round insert on the end of each brake
                                        shoe, which I assume could be padded out with shims or washers. Can anyone tell
                                        me if this was a common upgrade, and if so what motorcycle these brake shoes may
                                        have come from (I can supply images if necessary).

                                        (2) Similarly, although the manual states that the front and rear wheel hubs are
                                        substantially the same, the axle can be withdrawn from the rear hub, while the
                                        front axle is "captured" in the hub by the taper needle bearings and caps, as
                                        shown in the manual, and can only be replaced as a complete unit (spindle and
                                        bearings). Could the rear hub be a later conversion to a less expensive
                                        replacement wheel bearing system (or even a wheel from a different machine)? If
                                        so is this documented anywhere?

                                        Thanks for any ideas

                                        Jim Steed
                                        Canberra, Australia

                                      • Edd
                                        Hi Jim further to your G3L. The wheel bearings should all be opposed taper roller holding the wheel in place. To replace these with geniune Matchless axles
                                        Message 19 of 27 , Oct 27, 2006
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                                          Hi Jim
                                           
                                          further to your G3L.
                                           
                                          The wheel bearings should all be opposed taper roller "holding " the wheel in place.
                                          To replace these with geniune Matchless axles complete with the taper rollers is expensive as only" Russells" in london seem to have them as NOS at about £130.00 !!
                                           
                                          The owners Club "Jampot spares " and others offer a straight rod axle and roller bearings with proper seals around them.
                                          It would seem you have one of each.
                                           
                                          As far as your main drive chain goes, the primary inner case seems.. say 1/8" to close to the gearbox at the rear end.
                                           
                                          The alighnment of the primary inner case is controlled by the spacer between the inner case and the engine mounting plates where the 7/16" bolt comes through .If this spacer is to thin the action of tightening the outer casing up to make it oil tight pulls the combined primary cases towards  the gearbox.
                                          Of course, a pull in of 1/16 " at the centre of the case becomes 1/8" at the rear due to the angle of pivot.
                                           
                                          This of course asumes the correct...if any.. spacer is fitted between the engine plates. no spacer here will allow the cases to pull in even further
                                           
                                          The correct spacers are as follows :-
                                           
                                          between engine plates    2 1/2"       ie  2.5" 
                                          between engine and inner case      1 61/64 "ie   1.953"
                                          inside primary case        7/8"          ie  0.875 "
                                           
                                          the earlier G3 model had thicker engine plates, which meant the middle spacer between engine and primary case was thinner.( part no. CF 20825 ) There are many G3L bikes about with the wrong middle spacer. as the  other two are the same and not everone knows about the thinner and Lighter plates on the G3L.
                                          Having said all that !  i made my own bespoke middle spacer to ensure there were no problems of chains rubbing.
                                          You only have to look at primary cases at autojumbles to see that this problem is common on nearly every bike. 
                                             
                                          There should be a bracket from the top of the inner primary case to the battery carrier, just to steady things up a bit.
                                           
                                          A brilliant seal is available for £7.00 to cure primary case oil leaks for ever from a individual who advertises in the back of the Matchless owners club.
                                          Hope this helps.
                                           
                                          Regards to all
                                           
                                          Ed Abbott
                                           
                                           
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:00 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [wdmotorcycles] Another 1941 Matchless G3L question

                                          Hi Jim,
                                           
                                          Your bike is fine so nothing to worry about.
                                           
                                          They were fitted with both types of brake shoes and obviously you have one of each. AMC must have upgraded some time during the war and no doubt someone will be able to give you the exact time and day they changed over.
                                           
                                          The wheels are as they should be as standard.
                                           
                                          Kind regards,
                                           
                                          John Tinley
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Jim Steed
                                          Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:15 AM
                                          Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Another 1941 Matchless G3L question

                                          As I work my way through my 1941 matchless G3L, I come across little issues that
                                          may have already been solved by others, and I see no point in re-inventing the
                                          (Matchless) wheel :-).

                                          So here goes - this time there are two questions:

                                          (1) Although the manual I have says the front and rear brakes are the same, I
                                          have found that my back brake shoes' internal adjustment are different from the
                                          front (which have slots in a rotatable cap on the end of each brake shoe, as
                                          shown in the manual). The back ones have a round insert on the end of each brake
                                          shoe, which I assume could be padded out with shims or washers. Can anyone tell
                                          me if this was a common upgrade, and if so what motorcycle these brake shoes may
                                          have come from (I can supply images if necessary).

                                          (2) Similarly, although the manual states that the front and rear wheel hubs are
                                          substantially the same, the axle can be withdrawn from the rear hub, while the
                                          front axle is "captured" in the hub by the taper needle bearings and caps, as
                                          shown in the manual, and can only be replaced as a complete unit (spindle and
                                          bearings). Could the rear hub be a later conversion to a less expensive
                                          replacement wheel bearing system (or even a wheel from a different machine)? If
                                          so is this documented anywhere?

                                          Thanks for any ideas

                                          Jim Steed
                                          Canberra, Australia

                                        • Jim Steed
                                          Thanks Ed & John (and others) for the informative replies. It seems that everytime I ask a question I get about 20 years experience in response - which is just
                                          Message 20 of 27 , Oct 28, 2006
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                                            Thanks Ed & John (and others) for the informative replies.

                                            It seems that everytime I ask a question I get about 20 years experience in
                                            response - which is just as well as I don't want to spend that long learning :-)

                                            Don't see too many G3Ls around my neck of the woods, but I am heading off first
                                            thing tomorrow morning to the Canberra Swap Meet, so maybe that will change.

                                            Thanks again

                                            Jim Steed
                                            Canberra, Australia

                                            Edd wrote:
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Hi Jim
                                            >
                                            > further to your G3L.
                                            >
                                            > The wheel bearings should all be opposed taper roller "holding " the
                                            > wheel in place.
                                            > To replace these with geniune Matchless axles complete with the taper
                                            > rollers is expensive as only" Russells" in london seem to have them as
                                            > NOS at about £130.00 !!
                                            >
                                            > The owners Club "Jampot spares " and others offer a straight rod axle
                                            > and roller bearings with proper seals around them.
                                            > It would seem you have one of each.
                                            >
                                            > As far as your main drive chain goes, the primary inner case seems.. say
                                            > 1/8" to close to the gearbox at the rear end.
                                            >
                                            > The alighnment of the primary inner case is controlled by the spacer
                                            > between the inner case and the engine mounting plates where the 7/16"
                                            > bolt comes through .If this spacer is to thin the action of tightening
                                            > the outer casing up to make it oil tight pulls the combined primary
                                            > cases towards the gearbox.
                                            > Of course, a pull in of 1/16 " at the centre of the case becomes 1/8" at
                                            > the rear due to the angle of pivot.
                                            >
                                            > This of course asumes the correct...if any.. spacer is fitted between
                                            > the engine plates. no spacer here will allow the cases to pull in even
                                            > further
                                            >
                                            > The correct spacers are as follows :-
                                            >
                                            > between engine plates 2 1/2" ie 2.5"
                                            > between engine and inner case 1 61/64 "ie 1.953"
                                            > inside primary case 7/8" ie 0.875 "
                                            >
                                            > the earlier G3 model had thicker engine plates, which meant the middle
                                            > spacer between engine and primary case was thinner.( part no. CF 20825
                                            > ) There are many G3L bikes about with the wrong middle spacer. as the
                                            > other two are the same and not everone knows about the thinner and
                                            > Lighter plates on the G3L.
                                            > Having said all that ! i made my own bespoke middle spacer to
                                            > ensure there were no problems of chains rubbing.
                                            > You only have to look at primary cases at autojumbles to see that this
                                            > problem is common on nearly every bike.
                                            >
                                            > There should be a bracket from the top of the inner primary case to the
                                            > battery carrier, just to steady things up a bit.
                                            >
                                            > A brilliant seal is available for £7.00 to cure primary case oil leaks
                                            > for ever from a individual who advertises in the back of the Matchless
                                            > owners club.
                                            > Hope this helps.
                                            >
                                            > Regards to all
                                            >
                                            > Ed Abbott
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            >
                                            > *From:* John Tinley <mailto:tinley@...>
                                            > *To:* wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com
                                            > <mailto:wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > *Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2006 11:00 AM
                                            > *Subject:* Re: [wdmotorcycles] Another 1941 Matchless G3L question
                                            >
                                            > Hi Jim,
                                            >
                                            > Your bike is fine so nothing to worry about.
                                            >
                                            > They were fitted with both types of brake shoes and obviously you
                                            > have one of each. AMC must have upgraded some time during the war
                                            > and no doubt someone will be able to give you the exact time and day
                                            > they changed over.
                                            >
                                            > The wheels are as they should be as standard.
                                            >
                                            > Kind regards,
                                            >
                                            > John Tinley
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > *From:* Jim Steed <mailto:jimsteed@...>
                                            > *To:* wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com
                                            > <mailto:wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > *Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2006 10:15 AM
                                            > *Subject:* [wdmotorcycles] Another 1941 Matchless G3L question
                                            >
                                            > As I work my way through my 1941 matchless G3L, I come across
                                            > little issues that
                                            > may have already been solved by others, and I see no point in
                                            > re-inventing the
                                            > (Matchless) wheel :-).
                                            >
                                            > So here goes - this time there are two questions:
                                            >
                                            > (1) Although the manual I have says the front and rear brakes
                                            > are the same, I
                                            > have found that my back brake shoes' internal adjustment are
                                            > different from the
                                            > front (which have slots in a rotatable cap on the end of each
                                            > brake shoe, as
                                            > shown in the manual). The back ones have a round insert on the
                                            > end of each brake
                                            > shoe, which I assume could be padded out with shims or washers.
                                            > Can anyone tell
                                            > me if this was a common upgrade, and if so what motorcycle these
                                            > brake shoes may
                                            > have come from (I can supply images if necessary).
                                            >
                                            > (2) Similarly, although the manual states that the front and
                                            > rear wheel hubs are
                                            > substantially the same, the axle can be withdrawn from the rear
                                            > hub, while the
                                            > front axle is "captured" in the hub by the taper needle bearings
                                            > and caps, as
                                            > shown in the manual, and can only be replaced as a complete unit
                                            > (spindle and
                                            > bearings). Could the rear hub be a later conversion to a less
                                            > expensive
                                            > replacement wheel bearing system (or even a wheel from a
                                            > different machine)? If
                                            > so is this documented anywhere?
                                            >
                                            > Thanks for any ideas
                                            >
                                            > Jim Steed
                                            > Canberra, Australia
                                          • Jim Steed
                                            Hi everyone, Although it is been sold from a town not too far from me (about 100 km from Canberra, Australia) I don t believe the Desert model air filter for a
                                            Message 21 of 27 , Oct 31, 2006
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                                              Hi everyone,

                                              Although it is been sold from a town not too far from me (about 100 km from
                                              Canberra, Australia) I don't believe the Desert model air filter for a WW2
                                              British motorcycle for sale on Australian eBay (item 200041600646) is of any use
                                              to me, but it may be to someone else on the mail group.

                                              BTW, I have no connection at all with the seller and have only seen the item
                                              advertised on eBay.

                                              Regards

                                              Jim Steed
                                              Canberra, Australia
                                            • A.R.Schmidt
                                              Jim, thanks, was looking for one! If I m the high bidder, do you mind having it sent to you, as the seller only ships to Australia, then maybe you can post it
                                              Message 22 of 27 , Oct 31, 2006
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                                                Jim, thanks, was looking for one!
                                                 
                                                If I'm the high bidder, do you mind having it sent to you, as the seller only ships to Australia, then maybe you can post it on to the US or Europe ?
                                                 
                                                Thanks,
                                                 
                                                Alex Schmidt
                                                 
                                                 
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: Jim Steed
                                                Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:37
                                                Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Desert air filter on eBay

                                                Hi everyone,

                                                Although it is been sold from a town not too far from me (about 100 km from
                                                Canberra, Australia) I don't believe the Desert model air filter for a WW2
                                                British motorcycle for sale on Australian eBay (item 200041600646) is of any use
                                                to me, but it may be to someone else on the mail group.

                                                BTW, I have no connection at all with the seller and have only seen the item
                                                advertised on eBay.

                                                Regards

                                                Jim Steed
                                                Canberra, Australia



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                                              • Jim Steed
                                                Hi, I stumbled on an excellent book in a second hand bookshop yesterday - British Forces Motorcycles 1925-45 by C.J. Orchard & S.J. Madden (ISBN
                                                Message 23 of 27 , Feb 3, 2007
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                                                  Hi,

                                                  I stumbled on an excellent book in a second hand bookshop yesterday - "British
                                                  Forces Motorcycles 1925-45" by C.J. Orchard & S.J. Madden (ISBN 1-84015-012-2).

                                                  It consists of 186 pages of excellent history, information and photographs about
                                                  27 different brands of bike. It also includes 32 pages of tables showing:
                                                  Make,
                                                  Military Class,
                                                  WD Serial no. allocation,
                                                  Contract Numbers,
                                                  Cat Ref,
                                                  Frame Number
                                                  Engine Number,
                                                  Quantity produced,
                                                  Dates,
                                                  Price &
                                                  Delivery Destination & Notes.

                                                  This may be a well known resource to many of you out there, in which case no
                                                  more need be said. However, if it isn't, then I am happy to use it to assist in
                                                  any reasonable way.

                                                  Regards

                                                  Jim Steed
                                                • STUART SEALE
                                                  This is a pretty good book. Chris Orchard tells me that he has had the book re-published in a bigger and better fashion. It has been unavailable for a long
                                                  Message 24 of 27 , Feb 4, 2007
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                                                    This is a pretty good book.
                                                    Chris Orchard tells me that he has had the book re-published in a bigger and better fashion.  It has been unavailable for a long time and the e-bay prices got a bit excessive.
                                                    Regards,
                                                    Stuart Seale
                                                    BATH



                                                    To: wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com
                                                    From: jimsteed@...
                                                    Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:05:07 +1100
                                                    Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Book - "British Forces Motorcycles 1925-45"

                                                    Hi,

                                                    I stumbled on an excellent book in a second hand bookshop yesterday - "British
                                                    Forces Motorcycles 1925-45" by C.J. Orchard & S.J. Madden (ISBN 1-84015-012- 2).

                                                    It consists of 186 pages of excellent history, information and photographs about
                                                    27 different brands of bike. It also includes 32 pages of tables showing:
                                                    Make,
                                                    Military Class,
                                                    WD Serial no. allocation,
                                                    Contract Numbers,
                                                    Cat Ref,
                                                    Frame Number
                                                    Engine Number,
                                                    Quantity produced,
                                                    Dates,
                                                    Price &
                                                    Delivery Destination & Notes.

                                                    This may be a well known resource to many of you out there, in which case no
                                                    more need be said. However, if it isn't, then I am happy to use it to assist in
                                                    any reasonable way.

                                                    Regards

                                                    Jim Steed



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                                                  • Beliossi Giulio
                                                    Hi Stuart what do you mean by bigger and better fashion ? more infos ? Bye Giulio ... From: STUART SEALE To: wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday,
                                                    Message 25 of 27 , Feb 4, 2007
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                                                      Hi Stuart
                                                      what do you mean by " bigger and better fashion " ? more infos ?
                                                      Bye
                                                      Giulio
                                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                                      Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:17 PM
                                                      Subject: RE: [wdmotorcycles] Book - "British Forces Motorcycles 1925-45"

                                                      This is a pretty good book.
                                                      Chris Orchard tells me that he has had the book re-published in a bigger and better fashion.  It has been unavailable for a long time and the e-bay prices got a bit excessive.
                                                      Regards,
                                                      Stuart Seale
                                                      BATH



                                                      To: wdmotorcycles@ yahoogroups. com
                                                      From: jimsteed@iprimus. com.au
                                                      Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:05:07 +1100
                                                      Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Book - "British Forces Motorcycles 1925-45"

                                                      Hi,

                                                      I stumbled on an excellent book in a second hand bookshop yesterday - "British
                                                      Forces Motorcycles 1925-45" by C.J. Orchard & S.J. Madden (ISBN 1-84015-012- 2).

                                                      It consists of 186 pages of excellent history, information and photographs about
                                                      27 different brands of bike. It also includes 32 pages of tables showing:
                                                      Make,
                                                      Military Class,
                                                      WD Serial no. allocation,
                                                      Contract Numbers,
                                                      Cat Ref,
                                                      Frame Number
                                                      Engine Number,
                                                      Quantity produced,
                                                      Dates,
                                                      Price &
                                                      Delivery Destination & Notes.

                                                      This may be a well known resource to many of you out there, in which case no
                                                      more need be said. However, if it isn't, then I am happy to use it to assist in
                                                      any reasonable way.

                                                      Regards

                                                      Jim Steed



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                                                    • m3bobby
                                                      I bought mine of Amazon.co.uk last week for £12 + p&p. Its a brand new 2006 edition with 226 pages. ISBN 0-7509-4451-x published by sutton publishing
                                                      Message 26 of 27 , Feb 5, 2007
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                                                        I bought mine of Amazon.co.uk last week for £12 + p&p. Its a brand
                                                        new 2006 edition with 226 pages. ISBN 0-7509-4451-x published by
                                                        sutton publishing (www.suttonpublishing.co.uk) rrp £19.99 US$34.95.

                                                        Chris Hall

                                                        --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "Beliossi Giulio"
                                                        <beliossi@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > Hi Stuart
                                                        > what do you mean by " bigger and better fashion " ? more infos ?
                                                        > Bye
                                                        > Giulio
                                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                                        > From: STUART SEALE
                                                        > To: wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com
                                                        > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:17 PM
                                                        > Subject: RE: [wdmotorcycles] Book - "British Forces Motorcycles
                                                        1925-45"
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > This is a pretty good book.
                                                        > Chris Orchard tells me that he has had the book re-published in a
                                                        bigger and better fashion. It has been unavailable for a long time
                                                        and the e-bay prices got a bit excessive.
                                                        > Regards,
                                                        > Stuart Seale
                                                        > BATH
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                                                        > From: jimsteed@...
                                                        > Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:05:07 +1100
                                                        > Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Book - "British Forces Motorcycles
                                                        1925-45"
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > Hi,
                                                        >
                                                        > I stumbled on an excellent book in a second hand bookshop
                                                        yesterday - "British
                                                        > Forces Motorcycles 1925-45" by C.J. Orchard & S.J. Madden (ISBN
                                                        1-84015-012-2).
                                                        >
                                                        > It consists of 186 pages of excellent history, information and
                                                        photographs about
                                                        > 27 different brands of bike. It also includes 32 pages of
                                                        tables showing:
                                                        > Make,
                                                        > Military Class,
                                                        > WD Serial no. allocation,
                                                        > Contract Numbers,
                                                        > Cat Ref,
                                                        > Frame Number
                                                        > Engine Number,
                                                        > Quantity produced,
                                                        > Dates,
                                                        > Price &
                                                        > Delivery Destination & Notes.
                                                        >
                                                        > This may be a well known resource to many of you out there, in
                                                        which case no
                                                        > more need be said. However, if it isn't, then I am happy to use
                                                        it to assist in
                                                        > any reasonable way.
                                                        >
                                                        > Regards
                                                        >
                                                        > Jim Steed
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                                                      • Edd
                                                        Hi All My pannier bags are by Brooks 1943 and are the the light tan variety similar to the British Large Bag or Sack standard infantry issue. Of course
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                                                          Hi All
                                                           
                                                          My pannier bags are by " Brooks 1943 "  and are the the light tan variety similar to the British "Large Bag or Sack " standard infantry issue.
                                                          Of course the Pannier bag is reinforced, has the leather corner mountings and steel clips on the bottom to hook onto the frame lower pan.
                                                          It is interesting to hear of a 1941 version,must be one of the earliest versions.
                                                          see page 37 British Forces Motorcycles or page 50 in the new book for a illustration of the tan bag without piping .
                                                          It seems the lighter tan bag was supplied without piping on the earlier bags but intoduced later on.
                                                          It also seems it came in light and dark tan !
                                                           
                                                          The darker alternative  with piping round the flaps can be seen on the G3L on page 82 or 98 same books.
                                                          Whether  this is dark tan or Green the B&W photo disguises ! 
                                                          Note the G3L sports a Volkes airfilter which i understood was a late war modification 44 or even 45.....
                                                          Further shots of piping bags see page 54 Birch,s book "Images of War " Given the quantity of bikes in storage this to may be towards the end of war or maybe afterwards.
                                                          As there a no colour photos available..as yet..it is difficult to prove the Green bags are  ww2 issue unless some dated ones exist.
                                                           
                                                          I personally find the repro bags a bit to Green and would put them in the washing machine or soak them to tone the green down a bit.
                                                          However if you are a student of US  and British clothing and webbing you will know that in  late wartime a lot of  equipment went to a much darker green which looks more like postwar than WW2.
                                                          Could it be this "new " canvas and dye was an "across the board " intoduction into the later allied war effort ??
                                                           
                                                          So, the answer is there are two varieties bags of light tan bag and a darker tan bag and maybe a green one also !
                                                           
                                                          Ps dont forget the 2 excellent Dutch websites on Norton 16H and Bsa M20 which contain a host of detail common to all WD bikes...nothing on pannier bags though !!
                                                           
                                                          The British Forces books are a bible to anyone interested in WD bikes, I refer to mine constantly, the new book is a welcome addition and seems available on the High street...,well in Ipswich and Colchester Waterstones anyway. A bit disappointed there was no more new detail on the bikes.
                                                           
                                                           
                                                          Regards  
                                                           
                                                          Ed Abbott  
                                                          Message 2-----
                                                          From: Jim Steed
                                                          Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:05 AM
                                                          Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Book - "British Forces Motorcycles 1925-45"

                                                          Hi,

                                                          I stumbled on an excellent book in a second hand bookshop yesterday - "British
                                                          Forces Motorcycles 1925-45" by C.J. Orchard & S.J. Madden (ISBN 1-84015-012- 2).

                                                          It consists of 186 pages of excellent history, information and photographs about
                                                          27 different brands of bike. It also includes 32 pages of tables showing:
                                                          Make,
                                                          Military Class,
                                                          WD Serial no. allocation,
                                                          Contract Numbers,
                                                          Cat Ref,
                                                          Frame Number
                                                          Engine Number,
                                                          Quantity produced,
                                                          Dates,
                                                          Price &
                                                          Delivery Destination & Notes.

                                                          This may be a well known resource to many of you out there, in which case no
                                                          more need be said. However, if it isn't, then I am happy to use it to assist in
                                                          any reasonable way.

                                                          Regards

                                                          Jim Steed

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