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  • richellis1
    Hi all. I have a Velo MDD. Does anyone know if any records exist as to where it may (or may not) have been used or issued to? I was told that it had been used
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 5, 2008
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      Hi all.
      I have a Velo MDD. Does anyone know if any records exist as to where it
      may (or may not) have been used or issued to? I was told that it had
      been used in the desert areas although I have since been informed this
      is unlikely due to the availability of spares. To support the theory is
      the fact that it was found there, has traces of sand colour paint and
      when I shook the frame yesterday it had some sand inside! Also my
      grandad (who was based in those areas in WW2) did recall some being
      used by officers.
      Another strange point is that the side stand has been removed and the
      lugs ground off. Could it have had a sidecar?
      Any info at all about these bikes is more than welcome. Thanks.
    • matchlesswdg3
      Whats the frame number? From that you can hopefully tie-in with the Contract number which might give clues to where it went. I stress might . I have an
      Message 2 of 11 , Dec 8, 2008
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        Whats the frame number? From that you can hopefully tie-in with the
        Contract number which might give clues to where it went. I
        stress "might". I have an Ariel with hacked-off sidestand - seems to
        be common - post-war "civilianising" mod? Ferg



        --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "richellis1" <richellis1@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Hi all.
        > I have a Velo MDD. Does anyone know if any records exist as to where
        it
        > may (or may not) have been used or issued to? I was told that it had
        > been used in the desert areas although I have since been informed
        this
        > is unlikely due to the availability of spares. To support the theory
        is
        > the fact that it was found there, has traces of sand colour paint and
        > when I shook the frame yesterday it had some sand inside! Also my
        > grandad (who was based in those areas in WW2) did recall some being
        > used by officers.
        > Another strange point is that the side stand has been removed and the
        > lugs ground off. Could it have had a sidecar?
        > Any info at all about these bikes is more than welcome. Thanks.
        >
      • richellis1
        Frame no is MDD 11560 Who has info on contract numbers?
        Message 3 of 11 , Dec 8, 2008
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          Frame no is MDD 11560
          Who has info on contract numbers?
        • matchlesswdg3
          The Bible (British Forces Motorcycles by Orchard and Madden, new edition on Amazon) provides some information. This frame number is listed as part of
          Message 4 of 11 , Dec 9, 2008
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            The "Bible" (British Forces Motorcycles by Orchard and Madden, new
            edition on Amazon) provides some information. This frame number is
            listed as part of Contract No C7974; 1200 machines; 29/6/40 0r 10/41;
            noted as an Ex-French Govt Contract with 100 going to York and
            remainder to the Chilwell Ordnance Depot. They cost the Govt the
            extortionate sum of £50-50s each! So it sounds like France fell before
            they could deliver and most machines were used in UK - but I guess some
            would have escaped to more exotic climes. O&M note that although they
            are often called the "MDD" (which prefixes the frame number) their
            model designation is a MAC (WD) 350cc. Ferg

            --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "richellis1" <richellis1@...>
            wrote:
            >
            >
            > Frame no is MDD 11560
            > Who has info on contract numbers?
            >
          • richellis1
            Great stuff. I ll try and get this book. So if machines that were sent to Chilwell could then be sent anywhere really, how do people know the machine issue
            Message 5 of 11 , Dec 9, 2008
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              Great stuff. I'll try and get this book. So if machines that were sent
              to Chilwell could then be sent anywhere really, how do people know the
              machine "issue" number as displayed on the tanks of so many ex military
              bikes? Are they normally just made up ones to finish the look?
            • GARY SKINNER
              Going by the details in the Orchard & Madden book, I think your tank serial number should be C4322494 but this would be worth double checking before you paint
              Message 6 of 11 , Dec 9, 2008
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                Going by the details in the Orchard & Madden book, I think your tank serial number should be C4322494 but this would be worth double checking before you paint it on the tank (just in case I've worked it out wrong).
                Regards
                Gary




                To: wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com
                From: richellis1@...
                Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:12 +0000
                Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Re: MDD


                Great stuff. I'll try and get this book. So if machines that were sent
                to Chilwell could then be sent anywhere really, how do people know the
                machine "issue" number as displayed on the tanks of so many ex military
                bikes? Are they normally just made up ones to finish the look?




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              • Rik
                The IWM archive has some pictures of bikes from this contract in use with a Driver Training School (in the UK). I ve opened a photo file named Velocette to
                Message 7 of 11 , Dec 10, 2008
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                  The IWM archive has some pictures of bikes from this contract in use
                  with a Driver Training School (in the UK). I've opened a photo file
                  named Velocette to show it.

                  The two riders are John 'Crasher' White and Freddie Frith who were
                  pre-war 'works' riders for Nortons. I guess they preferred an ohv Velo
                  to a sv 16H !

                  I would think it unlikely that bikes from this contract were taken to
                  the Middle East. It would have made for a difficult spares situation
                  but who is to say that no officer pulled strings to get himself a more
                  sporting machine for a Staff posting to Alexandria ?

                  <a
                  href="http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=velocetteperiod16hbig4pbw8.jpg"
                  target="_blank"><img
                  src="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3466/velocetteperiod16hbig4pbw8.th.jpg"
                  border="0"/></a>





                  --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, GARY SKINNER <garys339@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > Going by the details in the Orchard & Madden book, I think your tank
                  serial number should be C4322494 but this would be worth double
                  checking before you paint it on the tank (just in case I've worked it
                  out wrong).
                  > Regards
                  > Gary
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > To: wdmotorcycles@...: richellis1@...: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:12
                  +0000Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Re: MDD
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Great stuff. I'll try and get this book. So if machines that were
                  sent to Chilwell could then be sent anywhere really, how do people
                  know the machine "issue" number as displayed on the tanks of so many
                  ex military bikes? Are they normally just made up ones to finish the
                  look?
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                • richellis1
                  Cheers for that. I think if anything, the bike may have been sold post war and ended up out there. The story goes that back in the seventies, a mate of my dads
                  Message 8 of 11 , Dec 11, 2008
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                    Cheers for that. I think if anything, the bike may have been sold
                    post war and ended up out there. The story goes that back in the
                    seventies, a mate of my dads was emigrating to Australia and asked
                    him if he wanted the velo. When he went round it was rusting away
                    outside in bits. The guy explained that whilst laying a pipeline in
                    Saudi Arabia they uncovered a number of Army vehicles buried in the
                    sand, of which this velo was one. He dismantled it and brought it
                    home over a period of time but never assembled it. A funny thing with
                    this was that there was also a "spare" set of forks. Only on further
                    investigation they turned out to be Rudge 500! Thanks again.


                    --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "Rik" <commando16h@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > The IWM archive has some pictures of bikes from this contract in use
                    > with a Driver Training School (in the UK). I've opened a photo file
                    > named Velocette to show it.
                    >
                    > The two riders are John 'Crasher' White and Freddie Frith who were
                    > pre-war 'works' riders for Nortons. I guess they preferred an ohv
                    Velo
                    > to a sv 16H !
                    >
                    > I would think it unlikely that bikes from this contract were taken
                    to
                    > the Middle East. It would have made for a difficult spares situation
                    > but who is to say that no officer pulled strings to get himself a
                    more
                    > sporting machine for a Staff posting to Alexandria ?
                    >
                    > <a
                    > href="http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?
                    image=velocetteperiod16hbig4pbw8.jpg"
                    > target="_blank"><img
                    >
                    src="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3466/velocetteperiod16hbig4pbw
                    8.th.jpg"
                    > border="0"/></a>
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, GARY SKINNER <garys339@>
                    wrote:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Going by the details in the Orchard & Madden book, I think your
                    tank
                    > serial number should be C4322494 but this would be worth double
                    > checking before you paint it on the tank (just in case I've worked
                    it
                    > out wrong).
                    > > Regards
                    > > Gary
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > To: wdmotorcycles@: richellis1@: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:12
                    > +0000Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Re: MDD
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Great stuff. I'll try and get this book. So if machines that were
                    > sent to Chilwell could then be sent anywhere really, how do people
                    > know the machine "issue" number as displayed on the tanks of so many
                    > ex military bikes? Are they normally just made up ones to finish the
                    > look?
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
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                  • richellis1
                    Ok. So I ve got the Orchard and Madden book. Not read it properly yet but it looks interesting reading. I ve had a look at the contract notes in the back and I
                    Message 9 of 11 , Dec 16, 2008
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                      Ok. So I've got the Orchard and Madden book. Not read it properly yet
                      but it looks interesting reading. I've had a look at the contract
                      notes in the back and I also get a serial no 4322494 so that looks
                      correct. One thing that does baffle me is that it states the engine
                      number should have the prefix MDD also. Mine is WMAC6840 which I
                      thought was right from another site I found:

                      http://www.velocette.org.au/Dating/Velodating.htm

                      I've noticed in the O&M book that bikes that went for "REME" repairs
                      often came out with mixed parts so could this be the reason?
                      Thanks again.

                      --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "richellis1" <richellis1@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > Cheers for that. I think if anything, the bike may have been sold
                      > post war and ended up out there. The story goes that back in the
                      > seventies, a mate of my dads was emigrating to Australia and asked
                      > him if he wanted the velo. When he went round it was rusting away
                      > outside in bits. The guy explained that whilst laying a pipeline in
                      > Saudi Arabia they uncovered a number of Army vehicles buried in the
                      > sand, of which this velo was one. He dismantled it and brought it
                      > home over a period of time but never assembled it. A funny thing
                      with
                      > this was that there was also a "spare" set of forks. Only on
                      further
                      > investigation they turned out to be Rudge 500! Thanks again.
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "Rik" <commando16h@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > The IWM archive has some pictures of bikes from this contract in
                      use
                      > > with a Driver Training School (in the UK). I've opened a photo
                      file
                      > > named Velocette to show it.
                      > >
                      > > The two riders are John 'Crasher' White and Freddie Frith who were
                      > > pre-war 'works' riders for Nortons. I guess they preferred an ohv
                      > Velo
                      > > to a sv 16H !
                      > >
                      > > I would think it unlikely that bikes from this contract were
                      taken
                      > to
                      > > the Middle East. It would have made for a difficult spares
                      situation
                      > > but who is to say that no officer pulled strings to get himself a
                      > more
                      > > sporting machine for a Staff posting to Alexandria ?
                      > >
                      > > <a
                      > > href="http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?
                      > image=velocetteperiod16hbig4pbw8.jpg"
                      > > target="_blank"><img
                      > >
                      >
                      src="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3466/velocetteperiod16hbig4pbw
                      > 8.th.jpg"
                      > > border="0"/></a>
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, GARY SKINNER <garys339@>
                      > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Going by the details in the Orchard & Madden book, I think your
                      > tank
                      > > serial number should be C4322494 but this would be worth double
                      > > checking before you paint it on the tank (just in case I've
                      worked
                      > it
                      > > out wrong).
                      > > > Regards
                      > > > Gary
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > To: wdmotorcycles@: richellis1@: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:12
                      > > +0000Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Re: MDD
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Great stuff. I'll try and get this book. So if machines that
                      were
                      > > sent to Chilwell could then be sent anywhere really, how do people
                      > > know the machine "issue" number as displayed on the tanks of so
                      many
                      > > ex military bikes? Are they normally just made up ones to finish
                      the
                      > > look?
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
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                    • gerard cooksley
                      Hello The below message was originally sent to the Ariel owners club so apologies for those who ve seen it twice. I m after a set of control levers as shown in
                      Message 10 of 11 , Dec 18, 2008
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                        Hello

                         

                        The below message was originally sent to the Ariel owners club so apologies for those who’ve seen it twice. I’m after a set of control levers as shown in the below link –

                         

                        http://www.flickr.com/photos/33240096@N07/3100151732/

                         

                        I’ve now got most of the parts now but I have been told that there is someone in Canada who may be making up new sets of levers. If anyone can shed any light on a possible supplier for these parts, or even complete sets, I would appreciate it. I’ve tried most of the usual outlets with no luck.

                         

                        ORIGINAL MESSAGE -

                         

                        Many thanks for all those who replied. I now have a set of solid levers and most of the controls but I'm missing just two parts to complete the dual set. I've posted a picture of the required parts at the below link -

                         

                        http://www.flickr.com/photos/33240096@N07/3117998496/

                         

                        I have most of the exhaust lifter lever but it has snapped off where the lead lug of the control cable sits.

                         

                        The lever is narrower than a normal AMAL lever (probably why it snapped) and it's also shorter to clear the other lever. It's the same thickness as the circular 'disk' part of the lever where it mounts to the post. The ball and the neck leading to the ball are also a lot thinner than a normal AMAL lever.

                         

                        I have got the control post cap but this is severely traumatised and most likely beyond use. It may serve as a pattern if I can get access to a lathe.

                         

                        So if anyone has a box of old levers parts and they fancy having a dig through for these bit's I would really appreciate it. To say this would make my Christmas would not be an understatement.

                         

                        Many thanks

                        Gerard Cooksley

                      • richellis1
                        According to the Ivan Rhodes book. The engines with prefix W may have been invoiced/supplied to Pike and Co . Anyone know who they are? ... yet ... repairs
                        Message 11 of 11 , Dec 18, 2008
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                          According to the Ivan Rhodes book. The engines with prefix "W" may
                          have been invoiced/supplied to "Pike and Co". Anyone know who they
                          are?


                          --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "richellis1" <richellis1@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Ok. So I've got the Orchard and Madden book. Not read it properly
                          yet
                          > but it looks interesting reading. I've had a look at the contract
                          > notes in the back and I also get a serial no 4322494 so that looks
                          > correct. One thing that does baffle me is that it states the engine
                          > number should have the prefix MDD also. Mine is WMAC6840 which I
                          > thought was right from another site I found:
                          >
                          > http://www.velocette.org.au/Dating/Velodating.htm
                          >
                          > I've noticed in the O&M book that bikes that went for "REME"
                          repairs
                          > often came out with mixed parts so could this be the reason?
                          > Thanks again.
                          >
                          > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "richellis1" <richellis1@>
                          > wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Cheers for that. I think if anything, the bike may have been sold
                          > > post war and ended up out there. The story goes that back in the
                          > > seventies, a mate of my dads was emigrating to Australia and
                          asked
                          > > him if he wanted the velo. When he went round it was rusting away
                          > > outside in bits. The guy explained that whilst laying a pipeline
                          in
                          > > Saudi Arabia they uncovered a number of Army vehicles buried in
                          the
                          > > sand, of which this velo was one. He dismantled it and brought it
                          > > home over a period of time but never assembled it. A funny thing
                          > with
                          > > this was that there was also a "spare" set of forks. Only on
                          > further
                          > > investigation they turned out to be Rudge 500! Thanks again.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, "Rik" <commando16h@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > The IWM archive has some pictures of bikes from this contract
                          in
                          > use
                          > > > with a Driver Training School (in the UK). I've opened a photo
                          > file
                          > > > named Velocette to show it.
                          > > >
                          > > > The two riders are John 'Crasher' White and Freddie Frith who
                          were
                          > > > pre-war 'works' riders for Nortons. I guess they preferred an
                          ohv
                          > > Velo
                          > > > to a sv 16H !
                          > > >
                          > > > I would think it unlikely that bikes from this contract were
                          > taken
                          > > to
                          > > > the Middle East. It would have made for a difficult spares
                          > situation
                          > > > but who is to say that no officer pulled strings to get himself
                          a
                          > > more
                          > > > sporting machine for a Staff posting to Alexandria ?
                          > > >
                          > > > <a
                          > > > href="http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?
                          > > image=velocetteperiod16hbig4pbw8.jpg"
                          > > > target="_blank"><img
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                          src="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3466/velocetteperiod16hbig4pbw
                          > > 8.th.jpg"
                          > > > border="0"/></a>
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In wdmotorcycles@yahoogroups.com, GARY SKINNER <garys339@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Going by the details in the Orchard & Madden book, I think
                          your
                          > > tank
                          > > > serial number should be C4322494 but this would be worth double
                          > > > checking before you paint it on the tank (just in case I've
                          > worked
                          > > it
                          > > > out wrong).
                          > > > > Regards
                          > > > > Gary
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > To: wdmotorcycles@: richellis1@: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:36:12
                          > > > +0000Subject: [wdmotorcycles] Re: MDD
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Great stuff. I'll try and get this book. So if machines that
                          > were
                          > > > sent to Chilwell could then be sent anywhere really, how do
                          people
                          > > > know the machine "issue" number as displayed on the tanks of so
                          > many
                          > > > ex military bikes? Are they normally just made up ones to
                          finish
                          > the
                          > > > look?
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
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