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  • Kevin Rivard
    Does anyone care that the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies by your Board tonight. Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are
    Message 1 of 30 , Feb 1, 2006
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      Does anyone care that the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
      by your Board tonight.

      Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are spreading your
      school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice to spend others
      money in a way that was not approved by the voters.

      This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the state and the
      feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by giving it away.

      Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.

      I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not care why should
      I.

      Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion dollars it wants to
      share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.

      Kevin
    • Charley Cowens
      Kevin- I care. Does anyone know any details about this deal that is only vaguely worded in the agenda/packet as something like Richmond Police Activities
      Message 2 of 30 , Feb 1, 2006
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        Kevin-

        I care. Does anyone know any details about this deal that is only
        vaguely worded in the agenda/packet as something like "Richmond Police
        Activities League Gym Project". If it involves putting District
        facilities upkeep money into non-District property, this is a
        significant "boundary" crossing.

        Also, Kevin, the MRAD doesn't require oversight, but is any provided
        by the Citizens Bond Oversight Committee?

        Charley Cowens

        On 2/1/06, Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
        > Does anyone care that the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
        > by your Board tonight.
        >
        > Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are spreading your
        > school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice to spend others
        > money in a way that was not approved by the voters.
        >
        > This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the state and the
        > feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by giving it away.
        >
        > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
        >
        > I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not care why should
        > I.
        >
        > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion dollars it wants to
        > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
        >
        > Kevin
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        >
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      • Kevin Rivard
        Charley the MRAD has become a slush fund for the district and is spent so many ways right now without anyone giving a rats pitutee as to if it is has anything
        Message 3 of 30 , Feb 1, 2006
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          Charley the MRAD has become a slush fund for the district and is spent so
          many ways right now without anyone giving a rats pitutee as to if it is has
          anything barely recognizable to the original so called intent.

          It is being shared between the various cities, the county, now a bankrupt
          City of Richmond project, lawns that have no future promise of maintenance
          and so on. This is also money that is suppose to pay for gardeners, tree
          trimmers, custodians and so on although I don't see how there is much left
          with all the new projects constantly siphoning off more MRAD funds.

          The MRAD is every once in awhile mentioned at the CBOC on combined projects,
          I assume to covers someone's butt should anyone question the expense then
          staff, administration and the board can say well the CBOC was informed about
          it.

          This is a farce just like the inflationary spending of the Bond Monies but
          the community does not care which is evident by the continued giving of
          money so the inflationary spending can continue.

          Does anyone realize $75,000 a year of MRAD still goes to the Kennedy pool,
          yet does all WCCUSD benefit from that expense. Can Hercules High School use
          the pool at a reduced fee.

          Maybe East Bay Regional Parks can come up with an educational center grant
          for the Little Farm at Tilden park and get $200,000 from MRAD to maintain
          that.

          Hell, the district wouldn't even give Madera maintenance money for the new
          lawn MRAD funds put in but they will give the City of Richmond money to
          resurrect a bankrupt community center that Richmond abandoned.

          $5.2 Million a year, $75 a parcel = MRAD, the now 12 year old community
          slush fund doled out to the friends of the WCCUSD school board. Nice to be
          able to give other peoples money to your friends.

          Kevin


          >From: Charley Cowens <charley.cowens@...>
          >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
          >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
          >CC: sdang@...
          >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] mrad giveaway
          >Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:16:58 -0800
          >
          >Kevin-
          >
          >I care. Does anyone know any details about this deal that is only
          >vaguely worded in the agenda/packet as something like "Richmond Police
          >Activities League Gym Project". If it involves putting District
          >facilities upkeep money into non-District property, this is a
          >significant "boundary" crossing.
          >
          >Also, Kevin, the MRAD doesn't require oversight, but is any provided
          >by the Citizens Bond Oversight Committee?
          >
          >Charley Cowens
          >
          >On 2/1/06, Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
          > > Does anyone care that the MRAD money is being given to other taxing
          >agencies
          > > by your Board tonight.
          > >
          > > Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are spreading
          >your
          > > school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice to spend
          >others
          > > money in a way that was not approved by the voters.
          > >
          > > This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the state and
          >the
          > > feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by giving it away.
          > >
          > > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
          > >
          > > I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not care why
          >should
          > > I.
          > >
          > > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion dollars it wants
          >to
          > > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
          > >
          > > Kevin
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
          > >
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          > >
          > >
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          > >
          > >
        • Ms. Ott
          The agenda and packet for the Feb 1st Special Board Meeting tonight gave this background information in the agenda item: CI E.6 Staff will present a
          Message 4 of 30 , Feb 1, 2006
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            The agenda and packet for the Feb 1st Special Board Meeting tonight
            gave this background information in the agenda item:

            CI E.6
            "Staff will present a recommendation to provide funding usupport to
            the Richmond PAL gym project as part of a joint memorandum of
            understanding with the City of Richmond and the Richmond Plice
            Activities League. An issue paper presented to the Facilites
            Subcommitte on December 12 is attached. The Facilities Subcommitte
            approved the recommendation to support the project"

            However, the issue paper was NOT attached to the packet online. So,
            I tried to find information about the Facilities Subcommitte on the
            district web site -- but it's not listed as a committe -- so I
            couldn't find any minutes about their Dec 12 meeting.

            I went to the meeting tonight to speak about this problem -- how can
            the public comment on anything when they aren't given information in
            advance to consider?

            Well, the Agenda Item (CI E.6) was tabled tonight and rescheduled
            for the meeting next week -- so if you want to address the board
            about this, you have another chance. The printed packets
            distributed at the meeting *did* have the issue paper attached. FYI,
            that information follows:
            ___________________________

            West Contra Costa Unified School District
            Office of Vince Kilmartin, Associate Superintendent, Operations
            Division

            Facilites Subcommitte Meeting
            December 12, 2005

            I. Position Paper

            * Issue

            The issue is to provide District MRAD funds to support the
            Richmond PAL gym construction.

            * Reference

            Current MRAD language allows the District to expend funds for
            any recreation project in a city that benefits the community.
            Confimed by consultant Shilts.

            * Background

            The Board of Directors of PAL is requesting support from the
            West Contra Costa Unified School District to complete the gymnasium
            construction as part of a joing partnership between the City of
            Richmond PAL and West Contra Costa Unified School District.

            * Proposal

            Develop a Joint Partnership MOU as follows:

            1. The District provides $200 Thousand Dollars of support over
            eight years for gym equipment, which would include, but will not be
            limited to: bleachers, basketball supports, gym floor and locker
            room.

            2. The city would supply $25 Thousand Dollars per year over
            eight years for West Contra Costa Unified School District events,
            within the City of Richmond, to include athletic events a Richmond
            High School, Kennedy High sSchool and DeAnza High School.


            3. PAL provides scheduled use of the new gym for boys and girls
            high school teams from DAnza, Kennedy, and Richmond High Schools for
            the next eight years.
          • Kevin Rivard
            Why does not the district spend $200,000 over the next eight years maintaining the fields and green areas they have put in at the newly refurbished schools.
            Message 5 of 30 , Feb 2, 2006
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              Why does not the district spend $200,000 over the next eight years
              maintaining the fields and green areas they have put in at the newly
              refurbished schools. Do you realize there is no money allocated from MRAD
              to maintain the grass planted at the schools from MRAD. The district
              administration said at a recent CBOC meeting they are in negotiations with
              the PTA's at those sites to maintain those fields from PTA funds.

              This is a breach of trust for this district to give MRAD money to cities
              that have not been sound in their own use of tax dollars and then to give
              our precious limited resources to those same agencies while neglecting our
              own school needs is criminal in my opinion.

              Kevin

              >From: "Ms. Ott" <msott@...>
              >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
              >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
              >Subject: [wccusdtalk] Re: mrad giveaway - missing information
              >Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 06:10:15 -0000
              >
              >The agenda and packet for the Feb 1st Special Board Meeting tonight
              >gave this background information in the agenda item:
              >
              >CI E.6
              >"Staff will present a recommendation to provide funding usupport to
              >the Richmond PAL gym project as part of a joint memorandum of
              >understanding with the City of Richmond and the Richmond Plice
              >Activities League. An issue paper presented to the Facilites
              >Subcommitte on December 12 is attached. The Facilities Subcommitte
              >approved the recommendation to support the project"
              >
              >However, the issue paper was NOT attached to the packet online. So,
              >I tried to find information about the Facilities Subcommitte on the
              >district web site -- but it's not listed as a committe -- so I
              >couldn't find any minutes about their Dec 12 meeting.
              >
              >I went to the meeting tonight to speak about this problem -- how can
              >the public comment on anything when they aren't given information in
              >advance to consider?
              >
              >Well, the Agenda Item (CI E.6) was tabled tonight and rescheduled
              >for the meeting next week -- so if you want to address the board
              >about this, you have another chance. The printed packets
              >distributed at the meeting *did* have the issue paper attached. FYI,
              >that information follows:
              >___________________________
              >
              >West Contra Costa Unified School District
              >Office of Vince Kilmartin, Associate Superintendent, Operations
              >Division
              >
              >Facilites Subcommitte Meeting
              >December 12, 2005
              >
              >I. Position Paper
              >
              > * Issue
              >
              > The issue is to provide District MRAD funds to support the
              >Richmond PAL gym construction.
              >
              > * Reference
              >
              > Current MRAD language allows the District to expend funds for
              >any recreation project in a city that benefits the community.
              >Confimed by consultant Shilts.
              >
              > * Background
              >
              > The Board of Directors of PAL is requesting support from the
              >West Contra Costa Unified School District to complete the gymnasium
              >construction as part of a joing partnership between the City of
              >Richmond PAL and West Contra Costa Unified School District.
              >
              > * Proposal
              >
              > Develop a Joint Partnership MOU as follows:
              >
              > 1. The District provides $200 Thousand Dollars of support over
              >eight years for gym equipment, which would include, but will not be
              >limited to: bleachers, basketball supports, gym floor and locker
              >room.
              >
              > 2. The city would supply $25 Thousand Dollars per year over
              >eight years for West Contra Costa Unified School District events,
              >within the City of Richmond, to include athletic events a Richmond
              >High School, Kennedy High sSchool and DeAnza High School.
              >
              >
              > 3. PAL provides scheduled use of the new gym for boys and girls
              >high school teams from DAnza, Kennedy, and Richmond High Schools for
              >the next eight years.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
            • Ms. Ott
              I agree with Kevin that it is an egregious practice to give money away when the home fires are still burning. I think that the community (us) should
              Message 6 of 30 , Feb 2, 2006
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                I agree with Kevin that it is an egregious practice to give money away
                when the home fires are still burning. I think that the community
                (us) should coordinate our efforts to prevent this from happening.
                So, what should we do?

                I suggest that we coordinate our efforts by:

                (1) Composing a letter to Board Members about this. To do this we
                need to get some questions answered first (I'll put that in another
                posting).

                (2) Urging the SB to adopt a policy the MRAD money cannot be given
                away outside the district until all the internal operations are
                covered financially (i.e. they cannot give away MRAD money if they
                need it to pay for maintence of existing lawns.

                (3) Sending the letter we agree upon to the SB by Monday 2/6 so the
                Board has over 2 days to review it before the Board meeting on 2/8.

                (4) As many of us who can, should go to the 2/8 Board Meeting and make
                public comment about this during the discussion of that Consent Item.

                Let's use this group to coordinate our efforts for positive change and
                show the rest of the district how it works.

                Thanks,

                --Ms. Ott


                --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Rivard" <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                >
                > Why does not the district spend $200,000 over the next eight years
                maintaining the fields and green areas they have put in at the newly
                refurbished schools. Do you realize there is no money allocated from
                MRAD to maintain the grass planted at the schools from MRAD. The
                district administration said at a recent CBOC meeting they are in
                negotiations with the PTA's at those sites to maintain those fields
                from PTA funds.

                This is a breach of trust for this district to give MRAD money to
                cities that have not been sound in their own use of tax dollars and
                then to give our precious limited resources to those same agencies
                while neglecting our own school needs is criminal in my opinion.

                Kevin
                >
              • Ms. Ott
                Here s a copy of the email I just sent to Vince Kilmartin regarding some questions I have about all this. If you have any more questions you d like him
                Message 7 of 30 , Feb 2, 2006
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                  Here's a copy of the email I just sent to Vince Kilmartin regarding
                  some questions I have about all this. If you have any more
                  questions you'd like him answer, you can send them to me via email
                  or post here and I will send them to Mr. Kilmartin.

                  ----------------------

                  From: msott@...
                  To: Vince.Kilmartin@... (Vince Kilmartin)
                  Subject: Questions about Consent Item: MRAD funds to support PAL gym
                  Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006

                  Dear Mr. Kilmartin,

                  I am writing about the Consent Item E.6 that was tabled at last
                  night's board meeting: MRAD Support for Richmond PAL gym project.
                  I have some questions that I'd like answered as soon as possible so
                  that my associates and I have time to prepare for this CI at next
                  week's meeting.

                  (1) I cannot find the meeting minutes online from the December 12
                  Facilities Subcommittee meeting from which the issue paper was
                  generated. In fact, I can't even find a section on the web site for
                  the Facilites Subcommittee. Where are the December 12 meeting
                  minutes posted?

                  (2) Who in the Facilities Committee proposed this idea? Who agreed
                  with recommending it? Who was opposed?

                  (3) Someone in the district pointed out that "There is no money
                  allocated from MRAD to maintain the grass planted at the schools
                  from MRAD. The district administration said at a recent CBOC meeting
                  they are in negotiations with the PTA's at those sites to maintain
                  those fields from PTA funds." How does the Facilities Subcommittee
                  justify giving money to organizations outside of the school district
                  when MRAD isn't even covering needed expenses within the district?
                  There is no mention of this in the issue paper.

                  (4) How does the Facilities subcommittee justify it's recommendation
                  to give away $200,000 of district money on improving another
                  organization's facility instead of improving the gym facilities at
                  district schools?

                  (5) The December 12 issue paper was not included in the Board
                  Meeting packet online. When is the public going to have access to
                  this information?

                  I will share your answers with my associates.

                  Thank you,

                  Ms. Ott
                • Tammera Campbell
                  Kevin, I just want to point out that the city of Pinole, local PTSAs and local youth sports organizations, working together with the district, utilize their
                  Message 8 of 30 , Feb 2, 2006
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                    Kevin,
                    I just want to point out that the city of Pinole, local PTSAs and local youth sports organizations, working together with the district, utilize their own funds to maintain fields for this district and the kids. Without Pinole money, the field and track at the PVHS would not have been built. Without PHLL money, the fields at Ellerhorst would not be there for the kids in the community and the PVHS softball teams to play on. I could keep listing the projects where Pinole tax payers have put their money forward for the good of the kids.

                    You can also look at it this way, we don't have enough employees in this district to maintain all those fields because we don't have enough operating dollars to cover salaries let alone benefits. If we work in partnership with other agencies, the district does not take on the liability of future benefits, we build better relationships with local communities, and we build a team to support the kids. Am I wrong or did I miss something?
                    Tammy

                    Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote: Does anyone care that the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
                    by your Board tonight.

                    Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are spreading your
                    school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice to spend others
                    money in a way that was not approved by the voters.

                    This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the state and the
                    feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by giving it away.

                    Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.

                    I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not care why should
                    I.

                    Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion dollars it wants to
                    share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.

                    Kevin




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                  • Kevin Rivard
                    Tammy, If the district wants to use general fund money that is not specifically set aside or voted on by the voters for a specific need then let the district
                    Message 9 of 30 , Feb 3, 2006
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                      Tammy,

                      If the district wants to use general fund money that is not specifically set
                      aside or voted on by the voters for a specific need then let the district
                      make a case for supporting outside of district property needs by other
                      taxing agencies and lets see if the community would go along with that.

                      The monies that the communities are supporting the schools with are specific
                      to those community schools within their community. They are also either
                      redevelopment funds and or general funds without specific program or bonding
                      ties.

                      When MRAD was sold to the community in 1994 it was sold as money to be used
                      for maintaining school property and paying for district employees to
                      maintain such property. Now the district is proposing changing that original
                      charge for the MRAD funds without going back to the community and taxpayers
                      and asking the taxpayers if it is ok to redirect the funds of MRAd. That is
                      why I am against using MRAD in this fashion.

                      If the district feels the need to support the local communities in the
                      effort to have off district property programs then let the district float a
                      bond or an assessment specific to that need. I personally do not believe the
                      general school community would support the district becoming a taxing agency
                      for the cities and county and then turning that money over to those agencies
                      for programs the cities and county want to do for the kids. That is in
                      essence what using MRAD funds would be doing. Once this precedent is set
                      and the City of El Cerrito wants to build a city gym for the kids how will
                      the district say no to them when the district has already given money to
                      Richmond.

                      There is only $5.2 million a year from MRAD and the district has already
                      laid off employees that were originally funded from MRAD. Let MRAD funds
                      bring back those employees first to maintain school property and when the
                      district becomes flush with money let that extra money from the general fund
                      pay for the cities and county pet projects.

                      Kevin


                      >From: Tammera Campbell <tammeracampbell@...>
                      >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                      >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                      >CC: sdang@...
                      >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] mrad giveaway
                      >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:17:51 -0800 (PST)
                      >
                      >Kevin,
                      > I just want to point out that the city of Pinole, local PTSAs and local
                      >youth sports organizations, working together with the district, utilize
                      >their own funds to maintain fields for this district and the kids.
                      >Without Pinole money, the field and track at the PVHS would not have been
                      >built. Without PHLL money, the fields at Ellerhorst would not be there
                      >for the kids in the community and the PVHS softball teams to play on. I
                      >could keep listing the projects where Pinole tax payers have put their
                      >money forward for the good of the kids.
                      >
                      > You can also look at it this way, we don't have enough employees in
                      >this district to maintain all those fields because we don't have enough
                      >operating dollars to cover salaries let alone benefits. If we work in
                      >partnership with other agencies, the district does not take on the
                      >liability of future benefits, we build better relationships with local
                      >communities, and we build a team to support the kids. Am I wrong or did I
                      >miss something?
                      > Tammy
                      >
                      >Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote: Does anyone care that
                      >the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
                      > by your Board tonight.
                      >
                      > Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are spreading
                      >your
                      > school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice to spend
                      >others
                      > money in a way that was not approved by the voters.
                      >
                      > This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the state and
                      >the
                      > feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by giving it away.
                      >
                      > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
                      >
                      > I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not care why
                      >should
                      > I.
                      >
                      > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion dollars it wants
                      >to
                      > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
                      >
                      > Kevin
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                    • ladyluvslife67
                      Can we get Mr. Cowens to weigh in on this issue? Does he know Mr. Kilmartin is telling everyone they are working with the PTAS with upkeep of the grass at the
                      Message 10 of 30 , Feb 3, 2006
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                        Can we get Mr. Cowens to weigh in on this issue?
                        Does he know Mr. Kilmartin is telling everyone they are
                        working with the PTAS with upkeep of the grass at the
                        new schools?

                        This is so typical of our administrators - to say things
                        that sound really nice "at the time" to get what they
                        want, and then
                        WATCH THIS HAND - BOOM!!!
                        our kids have a big patch of dead grass
                        out in front of their new schools. Talk about killing
                        hope! I am at one of the remodeled schools, and I tell
                        ya, every kid is just SMILING FROM EAR TO EAR - just
                        cause they have GRASS AT THEIR SCHOOL. What about
                        next year? When they ask what happened to their
                        grass.
                        By that time the
                        mrad monies will be gone - spent on something else.

                        Tammy, we can all only do so much. You are right in the
                        fact their is partner in powerships and collaboration.
                        It is always wonderful to hear how the City of Pinole
                        works together with everyone to support the schools
                        when the district fails to provide even the basic
                        of needs. If you have a site leader who knows
                        the power of partnerships and collaboration
                        then the sky is the limit! I know this
                        to be a fact, I cannot tel you
                        how many people I have met over the last
                        3 years who want to give back to our kid's
                        school in some way, more money is out
                        of the question, being that they are already
                        doing that when they pay their property taxes
                        every year.

                        Here is a few sugestions on this item:

                        1. Mr. Kilmartin needs to stop saying he is working with
                        the PTAs on the maintenance of the fields and the grass
                        and the plants on our sites unless he is HOLDING IN HIS
                        HAND A PIECE OF PAPER WITH AN AGREEMENT. I will tell
                        you at my school THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH.

                        2. More people need to be educated on exactly how much
                        monies their site has in their budget. It is NOT top
                        secret information, although it may take YEARS to get that
                        information out there because of the FANTASTIC job G-L-O-R-I-A
                        did shutting out parents and alienating community members who
                        DO WANT TO HELP THE SCHOOLS. Some of our schools, in particular
                        TITLE 1 schools get A LOT OF MONEY.

                        3. Knowing we do not get enough money from the State, Feds -
                        whatever, our board needs to stop being so short sighted on
                        collaborations & partnerships. Just as we have the information on
                        how to volunteer at the site, the ADMINISTRATION should develop a
                        process to encourage sites to collaborate. As it stands now
                        WE DONT. Site leaders must recognize that efforts need to be made in
                        a consistent matter to ensure steps are taken to engage the ENTIRE
                        school community. Board should recognize the importance of this and
                        make this a part of the training principal receives.

                        Here is
                        just one of the potential collaborations I have found: Local
                        video store is interested in giving back to the school and of
                        course free advertising. He has offered FREE MOVIES to our
                        school so we can host a MOVIE NIGHT once a week/month whatever
                        we want for parents
                        and kids. All we have to do is bring his business information
                        and set it up on the tables and we make a plug at the end of
                        the night. Local restaurant has offered to donate snacks
                        and drinks, all we have to do is bring business information
                        and make a plug at the end of the night.
                        Our site needs to engage in tremendous efforts reaching
                        out to our ENTIRE school community and inviting the parents with
                        open arms. We hae done very little to do that. And I suspect,
                        their are many sites who are in the same boat as mine.

                        I emailed this above potential and many other ideas to my site leader
                        and never heard another word about it. If there was a PLAN IN PLACE,
                        more people can be encouraged to seek out these potential goldmines
                        for our kids (partnerships/collaborations), rather than spend a lot
                        of time effort and HOPE - only to have it go into the black hole
                        somewhere to never be heard again. I suspect that is why many of our
                        parents are disengaged and people are sick and tired of being asked
                        for moneys for our schools.

                        AMEDINA





                        --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Tammera Campbell
                        <tammeracampbell@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Kevin,
                        > I just want to point out that the city of Pinole, local PTSAs and
                        local youth sports organizations, working together with the
                        district, utilize their own funds to maintain fields for this
                        district and the kids. Without Pinole money, the field and track at
                        the PVHS would not have been built. Without PHLL money, the fields
                        at Ellerhorst would not be there for the kids in the community and
                        the PVHS softball teams to play on. I could keep listing the
                        projects where Pinole tax payers have put their money forward for
                        the good of the kids.
                        >
                        > You can also look at it this way, we don't have enough employees
                        in this district to maintain all those fields because we don't have
                        enough operating dollars to cover salaries let alone benefits. If
                        we work in partnership with other agencies, the district does not
                        take on the liability of future benefits, we build better
                        relationships with local communities, and we build a team to support
                        the kids. Am I wrong or did I miss something?
                        > Tammy
                        >
                        > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote: Does anyone care that
                        the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
                        > by your Board tonight.
                        >
                        > Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are
                        spreading your
                        > school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice to
                        spend others
                        > money in a way that was not approved by the voters.
                        >
                        > This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the
                        state and the
                        > feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by giving
                        it away.
                        >
                        > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
                        >
                        > I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not care
                        why should
                        > I.
                        >
                        > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion dollars
                        it wants to
                        > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
                        >
                        > Kevin
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                      • Ms. Ott
                        Per Kevin s request in posting #7056 I ve asked Mr. Kilmartin for the MRAD annual report. Here s my email: From: msott@comcast.net To:
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                          Per Kevin's request in posting #7056 I've asked Mr. Kilmartin for
                          the MRAD annual report. Here's my email:

                          From: msott@...
                          To: Vince.Kilmartin@... (Vince Kilmartin)
                          Subject: Requesting MRAD annual report
                          Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006

                          Hello Mr. Kilmartin,

                          In addition to the questions I sent yesterday, one of my associates
                          has asked that we get a copy of "the annual $25,000 MRAD report
                          that the consultant puts before the board every year" and make it
                          available at the Board meeting 2/8. According to my source, "That
                          report simply shows all the schools and district property that will
                          benefit from the funds and those are the only properties that should
                          receive benefit from MRAD funds."

                          Would you please send me a computer file of the report (or tell me
                          where I can get it online) so that I may make it availble to my
                          group?

                          Please do not delay. We need time to look this over before the
                          Board Meeting next Wednesday.

                          Thank you,

                          Ms. Ott
                        • Ms. Ott
                          I m happy to announce that even though Mr. Kilmartin is out of the office, his Administrative Assistant, Ann Francisco sent me a copy of the Dec. 12 meeting
                          Message 12 of 30 , Feb 3, 2006
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                            I'm happy to announce that even though Mr. Kilmartin is out of the
                            office, his Administrative Assistant, Ann Francisco sent me a copy of
                            the Dec. 12 meeting minutes, and the issue paper from the board
                            meeting packet. She also has called the Fiscal Dept. to get a copy of
                            the MRAD annual report. And, Mr. Kilmartin will get back to me
                            (probably Monday) about the questions I asked in my email.

                            I've posted the documents online at:

                            http://uscitizen.home.comcast.net

                            Click on the "WCCUSD Facilities" link in the left frame to access the
                            documents.

                            Now, *that's* the way to conduct business professionally. Big kudos
                            to Mr. Kilmartin and Ms. Francisco for being so responsive!

                            --Ms. Ott
                          • Charley Cowens
                            Tammy- The difference is that the city of Pinole and others are investing money in District-owned assets. The proposed deal with Richmond involves the District
                            Message 13 of 30 , Feb 3, 2006
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                              Tammy-

                              The difference is that the city of Pinole and others are investing
                              money in District-owned assets. The proposed deal with Richmond
                              involves the District using MRAD money out of the District to invest
                              in a non-District asset in a deal with a city not known for fiscal
                              acumen. As part of the deal, yes, the District would be able to use
                              the gym during reconstruction at various schools. I don't know how
                              useful that would really be. While the investment in non-School assets
                              is one objection to this, I also have a problem with such creative
                              deal-making on principle. While it may be necessary sometimes, it
                              inherently makes it harder to "follow the money". (I can hear Kevin
                              laughing all the way here.) If transparency is an important goal,
                              "creativity" in deal-making should be avoided.

                              Anyway, how do you repeal something like the MRAD?

                              Charley Cowens

                              On 2/2/06, Tammera Campbell <tammeracampbell@...> wrote:
                              > Kevin,
                              > I just want to point out that the city of Pinole, local PTSAs and local youth sports organizations, working together with the district, utilize their own funds to maintain fields for this district and the kids. Without Pinole money, the field and track at the PVHS would not have been built. Without PHLL money, the fields at Ellerhorst would not be there for the kids in the community and the PVHS softball teams to play on. I could keep listing the projects where Pinole tax payers have put their money forward for the good of the kids.
                              >
                              > You can also look at it this way, we don't have enough employees in this district to maintain all those fields because we don't have enough operating dollars to cover salaries let alone benefits. If we work in partnership with other agencies, the district does not take on the liability of future benefits, we build better relationships with local communities, and we build a team to support the kids. Am I wrong or did I miss something?
                              > Tammy
                              >
                              > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote: Does anyone care that the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
                              > by your Board tonight.
                              >
                              > Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are spreading your
                              > school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice to spend others
                              > money in a way that was not approved by the voters.
                              >
                              > This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the state and the
                              > feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by giving it away.
                              >
                              > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
                              >
                              > I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not care why should
                              > I.
                              >
                              > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion dollars it wants to
                              > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
                              >
                              > Kevin
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                              Alicia- I don t know. He may have been referring to some particular PTAs. Charley Cowens
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                                Alicia-

                                I don't know. He may have been referring to some particular PTAs.

                                Charley Cowens

                                On 2/3/06, ladyluvslife67 <alicat1967@...> wrote:
                                > Can we get Mr. Cowens to weigh in on this issue?
                                > Does he know Mr. Kilmartin is telling everyone they are
                                > working with the PTAS with upkeep of the grass at the
                                > new schools?
                                >
                                > This is so typical of our administrators - to say things
                                > that sound really nice "at the time" to get what they
                                > want, and then
                                > WATCH THIS HAND - BOOM!!!
                                > our kids have a big patch of dead grass
                                > out in front of their new schools. Talk about killing
                                > hope! I am at one of the remodeled schools, and I tell
                                > ya, every kid is just SMILING FROM EAR TO EAR - just
                                > cause they have GRASS AT THEIR SCHOOL. What about
                                > next year? When they ask what happened to their
                                > grass.
                                > By that time the
                                > mrad monies will be gone - spent on something else.
                                >
                                > Tammy, we can all only do so much. You are right in the
                                > fact their is partner in powerships and collaboration.
                                > It is always wonderful to hear how the City of Pinole
                                > works together with everyone to support the schools
                                > when the district fails to provide even the basic
                                > of needs. If you have a site leader who knows
                                > the power of partnerships and collaboration
                                > then the sky is the limit! I know this
                                > to be a fact, I cannot tel you
                                > how many people I have met over the last
                                > 3 years who want to give back to our kid's
                                > school in some way, more money is out
                                > of the question, being that they are already
                                > doing that when they pay their property taxes
                                > every year.
                                >
                                > Here is a few sugestions on this item:
                                >
                                > 1. Mr. Kilmartin needs to stop saying he is working with
                                > the PTAs on the maintenance of the fields and the grass
                                > and the plants on our sites unless he is HOLDING IN HIS
                                > HAND A PIECE OF PAPER WITH AN AGREEMENT. I will tell
                                > you at my school THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH.
                                >
                                > 2. More people need to be educated on exactly how much
                                > monies their site has in their budget. It is NOT top
                                > secret information, although it may take YEARS to get that
                                > information out there because of the FANTASTIC job G-L-O-R-I-A
                                > did shutting out parents and alienating community members who
                                > DO WANT TO HELP THE SCHOOLS. Some of our schools, in particular
                                > TITLE 1 schools get A LOT OF MONEY.
                                >
                                > 3. Knowing we do not get enough money from the State, Feds -
                                > whatever, our board needs to stop being so short sighted on
                                > collaborations & partnerships. Just as we have the information on
                                > how to volunteer at the site, the ADMINISTRATION should develop a
                                > process to encourage sites to collaborate. As it stands now
                                > WE DONT. Site leaders must recognize that efforts need to be made in
                                > a consistent matter to ensure steps are taken to engage the ENTIRE
                                > school community. Board should recognize the importance of this and
                                > make this a part of the training principal receives.
                                >
                                > Here is
                                > just one of the potential collaborations I have found: Local
                                > video store is interested in giving back to the school and of
                                > course free advertising. He has offered FREE MOVIES to our
                                > school so we can host a MOVIE NIGHT once a week/month whatever
                                > we want for parents
                                > and kids. All we have to do is bring his business information
                                > and set it up on the tables and we make a plug at the end of
                                > the night. Local restaurant has offered to donate snacks
                                > and drinks, all we have to do is bring business information
                                > and make a plug at the end of the night.
                                > Our site needs to engage in tremendous efforts reaching
                                > out to our ENTIRE school community and inviting the parents with
                                > open arms. We hae done very little to do that. And I suspect,
                                > their are many sites who are in the same boat as mine.
                                >
                                > I emailed this above potential and many other ideas to my site leader
                                > and never heard another word about it. If there was a PLAN IN PLACE,
                                > more people can be encouraged to seek out these potential goldmines
                                > for our kids (partnerships/collaborations), rather than spend a lot
                                > of time effort and HOPE - only to have it go into the black hole
                                > somewhere to never be heard again. I suspect that is why many of our
                                > parents are disengaged and people are sick and tired of being asked
                                > for moneys for our schools.
                                >
                                > AMEDINA
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Tammera Campbell
                                > <tammeracampbell@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Kevin,
                                > > I just want to point out that the city of Pinole, local PTSAs and
                                > local youth sports organizations, working together with the
                                > district, utilize their own funds to maintain fields for this
                                > district and the kids. Without Pinole money, the field and track at
                                > the PVHS would not have been built. Without PHLL money, the fields
                                > at Ellerhorst would not be there for the kids in the community and
                                > the PVHS softball teams to play on. I could keep listing the
                                > projects where Pinole tax payers have put their money forward for
                                > the good of the kids.
                                > >
                                > > You can also look at it this way, we don't have enough employees
                                > in this district to maintain all those fields because we don't have
                                > enough operating dollars to cover salaries let alone benefits. If
                                > we work in partnership with other agencies, the district does not
                                > take on the liability of future benefits, we build better
                                > relationships with local communities, and we build a team to support
                                > the kids. Am I wrong or did I miss something?
                                > > Tammy
                                > >
                                > > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote: Does anyone care that
                                > the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
                                > > by your Board tonight.
                                > >
                                > > Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are
                                > spreading your
                                > > school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice to
                                > spend others
                                > > money in a way that was not approved by the voters.
                                > >
                                > > This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the
                                > state and the
                                > > feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by giving
                                > it away.
                                > >
                                > > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
                                > >
                                > > I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not care
                                > why should
                                > > I.
                                > >
                                > > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion dollars
                                > it wants to
                                > > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
                                > >
                                > > Kevin
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                              • Maureen Toms
                                Dear Board Members: I am writing you regarding the MRAD/City of Richmond/PAL item that was on your agenda this week and held over to next week. The agenda
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                                  Dear Board Members:

                                  I am writing you regarding the MRAD/City of Richmond/PAL item that was
                                  on your agenda this week and held over to next week. The agenda
                                  description and the staff report failed to mention where the proposed
                                  gym is located. This omission appears to be a violation of the Brown
                                  Act. The agenda item, although brief, needs to adequately describe the
                                  project, including the location. I read the staff report online and I
                                  still do not know where this gym is. Is it on the Richmond or Kennedy
                                  High School Campus? Is it on one of the middle school campuses? If
                                  not, I strongly urge you to reject the proposal, as the MRAD funds
                                  should be used on our campuses first.

                                  The staff report did not say where in the MRAD budget these funds are
                                  coming from. Are they across the top or from a dedicated school(s) mrad
                                  budget? Did the site councils from those schools approve the
                                  expenditure? If so, is it appropriate for a current site council to
                                  allocate moneys from the budgets of eight future years?

                                  Last week, the Bond Oversight Committee received a report on the ability
                                  to adequately maintain our existing facilities. The District cannot
                                  fund the appropriate number of maintenance workers to adequately
                                  maintain our existing facilities.

                                  Coming from Pinole, I have witnessed some outstanding partnerships with
                                  other organizations, but in my opinion, the one in Richmond is the wrong
                                  type. Could the City/PAL use an existing gym on one of our campuses and
                                  bring their programs there?

                                  I may have missed something because the information was not available.
                                  However, I would urge you to reject the proposal to use the MRAD funds
                                  in this manner or provide a better explanation to the public (in advance
                                  of the Board Meeting) as to why the District should do this.

                                  Sincerely,

                                  Maureen Toms



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                                • ladyluvslife67
                                  Mr. Cowens- Thanks for replying so quickly. The scenario of our school PTAs being able to upkeep the grass/fields/plants/trees at the sites is a very nice
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                                    Mr. Cowens-
                                    Thanks for replying so quickly.

                                    The scenario of our school PTAs being able to
                                    upkeep the grass/fields/plants/trees at the sites
                                    is a very nice idea, but as you know better than
                                    I do, some sites don't even have active PTAs.

                                    I am concerned that this misleading statement made
                                    by Mr. Kilmartin is something he is just saying so
                                    everyone can see the "PTA" is involved and ASSUME
                                    oooohhhhhhh then that must be OK.

                                    Another thought is the issues with people being on
                                    our site grounds. The PTA has the permission of the
                                    district to be allowed to use the site for their meeting
                                    right? What if Mr. Kilmartin is saying this BECAUSE
                                    of this factor? That people will believe the statement
                                    even MORE because they know enough that the schools just
                                    cant get anyone to come to the sites and take care of the fields
                                    and the grass. The PTA is the most recognized organization
                                    to anyone - regardless of how much they know about the
                                    school district.

                                    Once again, this reminds me of a City of Richmond meeting
                                    of the Safety Commission after the uproar over the merging
                                    of the continuation campuses. When our Chief of Police
                                    tells our city council members that the district didn't
                                    even talk to him about this potential merger. We then
                                    had Dr. Cohen attempt to use language to soothe the
                                    councilmembers and community members by assuring
                                    the city council that the district cared very
                                    much about keeping the community in the loop
                                    and going to the "neighborhood councils" and
                                    other ways to get feedback from the city.


                                    Mr. Kilmartin should have a very good understanding of the PTA if he
                                    is indeed suggesting that this occur. And like you said, if it is
                                    CERTAIN PTAs I would still URGE HIM to draw up an agreement so we
                                    have something in writing. I would URGE OUR SCHOOL BOARD MAJORITY
                                    to start AT THE TOP and EMPHASIZE THE POWER OF COLLABORATION AND
                                    PARTNERSHIP. It would benefit Mr. Kilmartin actually because
                                    he would have made an HONEST effort to COLLABORATE with
                                    existing resources for the better of our schools.

                                    If not then our school board must keep that HUGE GIGANTIC
                                    FILE of DECISION THAT COME BACK TO HAUNT THEM wide open
                                    so they can remember just what fancy words were put on
                                    paper by Mr. Kilmartin to approve this.



                                    AMEDINA
                                    --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Charley Cowens
                                    <charley.cowens@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Alicia-
                                    >
                                    > I don't know. He may have been referring to some particular PTAs.
                                    >
                                    > Charley Cowens
                                    >
                                    > On 2/3/06, ladyluvslife67 <alicat1967@...> wrote:
                                    > > Can we get Mr. Cowens to weigh in on this issue?
                                    > > Does he know Mr. Kilmartin is telling everyone they are
                                    > > working with the PTAS with upkeep of the grass at the
                                    > > new schools?
                                    > >
                                    > > This is so typical of our administrators - to say things
                                    > > that sound really nice "at the time" to get what they
                                    > > want, and then
                                    > > WATCH THIS HAND - BOOM!!!
                                    > > our kids have a big patch of dead grass
                                    > > out in front of their new schools. Talk about killing
                                    > > hope! I am at one of the remodeled schools, and I tell
                                    > > ya, every kid is just SMILING FROM EAR TO EAR - just
                                    > > cause they have GRASS AT THEIR SCHOOL. What about
                                    > > next year? When they ask what happened to their
                                    > > grass.
                                    > > By that time the
                                    > > mrad monies will be gone - spent on something else.
                                    > >
                                    > > Tammy, we can all only do so much. You are right in the
                                    > > fact their is partner in powerships and collaboration.
                                    > > It is always wonderful to hear how the City of Pinole
                                    > > works together with everyone to support the schools
                                    > > when the district fails to provide even the basic
                                    > > of needs. If you have a site leader who knows
                                    > > the power of partnerships and collaboration
                                    > > then the sky is the limit! I know this
                                    > > to be a fact, I cannot tel you
                                    > > how many people I have met over the last
                                    > > 3 years who want to give back to our kid's
                                    > > school in some way, more money is out
                                    > > of the question, being that they are already
                                    > > doing that when they pay their property taxes
                                    > > every year.
                                    > >
                                    > > Here is a few sugestions on this item:
                                    > >
                                    > > 1. Mr. Kilmartin needs to stop saying he is working with
                                    > > the PTAs on the maintenance of the fields and the grass
                                    > > and the plants on our sites unless he is HOLDING IN HIS
                                    > > HAND A PIECE OF PAPER WITH AN AGREEMENT. I will tell
                                    > > you at my school THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH.
                                    > >
                                    > > 2. More people need to be educated on exactly how much
                                    > > monies their site has in their budget. It is NOT top
                                    > > secret information, although it may take YEARS to get that
                                    > > information out there because of the FANTASTIC job G-L-O-R-I-A
                                    > > did shutting out parents and alienating community members who
                                    > > DO WANT TO HELP THE SCHOOLS. Some of our schools, in particular
                                    > > TITLE 1 schools get A LOT OF MONEY.
                                    > >
                                    > > 3. Knowing we do not get enough money from the State, Feds -
                                    > > whatever, our board needs to stop being so short sighted on
                                    > > collaborations & partnerships. Just as we have the information on
                                    > > how to volunteer at the site, the ADMINISTRATION should develop a
                                    > > process to encourage sites to collaborate. As it stands now
                                    > > WE DONT. Site leaders must recognize that efforts need to be
                                    made in
                                    > > a consistent matter to ensure steps are taken to engage the ENTIRE
                                    > > school community. Board should recognize the importance of this
                                    and
                                    > > make this a part of the training principal receives.
                                    > >
                                    > > Here is
                                    > > just one of the potential collaborations I have found: Local
                                    > > video store is interested in giving back to the school and of
                                    > > course free advertising. He has offered FREE MOVIES to our
                                    > > school so we can host a MOVIE NIGHT once a week/month whatever
                                    > > we want for parents
                                    > > and kids. All we have to do is bring his business information
                                    > > and set it up on the tables and we make a plug at the end of
                                    > > the night. Local restaurant has offered to donate snacks
                                    > > and drinks, all we have to do is bring business information
                                    > > and make a plug at the end of the night.
                                    > > Our site needs to engage in tremendous efforts reaching
                                    > > out to our ENTIRE school community and inviting the parents with
                                    > > open arms. We hae done very little to do that. And I suspect,
                                    > > their are many sites who are in the same boat as mine.
                                    > >
                                    > > I emailed this above potential and many other ideas to my site
                                    leader
                                    > > and never heard another word about it. If there was a PLAN IN
                                    PLACE,
                                    > > more people can be encouraged to seek out these potential
                                    goldmines
                                    > > for our kids (partnerships/collaborations), rather than spend a
                                    lot
                                    > > of time effort and HOPE - only to have it go into the black hole
                                    > > somewhere to never be heard again. I suspect that is why many of
                                    our
                                    > > parents are disengaged and people are sick and tired of being
                                    asked
                                    > > for moneys for our schools.
                                    > >
                                    > > AMEDINA
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Tammera Campbell
                                    > > <tammeracampbell@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Kevin,
                                    > > > I just want to point out that the city of Pinole, local PTSAs
                                    and
                                    > > local youth sports organizations, working together with the
                                    > > district, utilize their own funds to maintain fields for this
                                    > > district and the kids. Without Pinole money, the field and
                                    track at
                                    > > the PVHS would not have been built. Without PHLL money, the
                                    fields
                                    > > at Ellerhorst would not be there for the kids in the community
                                    and
                                    > > the PVHS softball teams to play on. I could keep listing the
                                    > > projects where Pinole tax payers have put their money forward for
                                    > > the good of the kids.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > You can also look at it this way, we don't have enough
                                    employees
                                    > > in this district to maintain all those fields because we don't
                                    have
                                    > > enough operating dollars to cover salaries let alone benefits.
                                    If
                                    > > we work in partnership with other agencies, the district does not
                                    > > take on the liability of future benefits, we build better
                                    > > relationships with local communities, and we build a team to
                                    support
                                    > > the kids. Am I wrong or did I miss something?
                                    > > > Tammy
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@> wrote: Does anyone care that
                                    > > the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
                                    > > > by your Board tonight.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are
                                    > > spreading your
                                    > > > school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice
                                    to
                                    > > spend others
                                    > > > money in a way that was not approved by the voters.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the
                                    > > state and the
                                    > > > feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by
                                    giving
                                    > > it away.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not
                                    care
                                    > > why should
                                    > > > I.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion
                                    dollars
                                    > > it wants to
                                    > > > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Kevin
                                    > > >
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                                    > > > Pinole Middle School Measure D Committee
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                                  • ladyluvslife67
                                    Mr. Rivard, Its people like you that encourage others to seek the answer to: Why is that man so mad? In all honesty, until 5 years ago I was a most ignorant
                                    Message 17 of 30 , Feb 3, 2006
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                                      Mr. Rivard,
                                      Its people like you that encourage others to
                                      seek the answer to:
                                      Why is that man so mad?

                                      In all honesty, until 5 years ago I was a most
                                      ignorant voter. Of course I voted, but rarely
                                      gave a thought to stuff like MRAD because it
                                      did not affect me, being that I was NOT a
                                      homeowner or business owner, so hey - I wasn't
                                      gonna have to have my property taxes increased
                                      but I sure wanted my kids schools to get some
                                      money. I actually voted for Charles Ramsey
                                      for school board in 1998 cause I was pregnant
                                      with my second kid and we already knew we were
                                      going to name him

                                      yes you guessed it

                                      CHARLES!

                                      My Uncle is a retired US HISTORY teacher. He is
                                      so disgusted with our government he is ready to
                                      move to Europe, where he lived for several years.
                                      He has helped me that even though you may read
                                      the text of the proposition on the ballot, the
                                      way things are worded can totally contradict what
                                      you think you are voting for.

                                      That is why you should NEVER SIGN PETITIONS TO GET
                                      THINGS ON THE BALLOT.
                                      NEVER!!!
                                      NEVER!!!
                                      That used to be something compelling to me, the
                                      advocacy in getting enough signatures to put it
                                      on the ballot. After talking to my Uncle, I actually
                                      stopped and read a few of those petitions on my way
                                      into Target one day. Give the State more power. More
                                      money for the schools. There are some catch phrases
                                      and subliminal comfort words these people know how
                                      to use to make something appealing to go along with.
                                      Anyway, I asked the guy what he knew about it. He
                                      tells me he doesn't know anything about it, other than
                                      he is getting paid 1 dollar per signature. Of course
                                      I run down to him how I don't believe getting things
                                      on the ballot because yadda yadda yadda yadda.

                                      he then says - "Ok then can you give me a dollar - Im
                                      hungry" as he is smoking a cigarette.

                                      EGADS!!!

                                      I will go through the archives this weekend and
                                      compile the information on MRAD and how gigantic
                                      that rug has become to shuffle the mismanagement
                                      of VOTER APPROVED MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE OF OUR
                                      SCHOOLS. The school board should be reported
                                      to the STATE or whomever appropriate for the
                                      misuse of this money! What laws does this
                                      fall under? If voters approved the monies
                                      for specific things, how can the district
                                      spend it on other things?
                                      AMEDINA


                                      --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Rivard" <kfrivard@...>
                                      wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Tammy,
                                      >
                                      > If the district wants to use general fund money that is not
                                      specifically set
                                      > aside or voted on by the voters for a specific need then let the
                                      district
                                      > make a case for supporting outside of district property needs by
                                      other
                                      > taxing agencies and lets see if the community would go along with
                                      that.
                                      >
                                      > The monies that the communities are supporting the schools with are
                                      specific
                                      > to those community schools within their community. They are also
                                      either
                                      > redevelopment funds and or general funds without specific program
                                      or bonding
                                      > ties.
                                      >
                                      > When MRAD was sold to the community in 1994 it was sold as money to
                                      be used
                                      > for maintaining school property and paying for district employees
                                      to
                                      > maintain such property. Now the district is proposing changing that
                                      original
                                      > charge for the MRAD funds without going back to the community and
                                      taxpayers
                                      > and asking the taxpayers if it is ok to redirect the funds of MRAd.
                                      That is
                                      > why I am against using MRAD in this fashion.
                                      >
                                      > If the district feels the need to support the local communities in
                                      the
                                      > effort to have off district property programs then let the district
                                      float a
                                      > bond or an assessment specific to that need. I personally do not
                                      believe the
                                      > general school community would support the district becoming a
                                      taxing agency
                                      > for the cities and county and then turning that money over to those
                                      agencies
                                      > for programs the cities and county want to do for the kids. That is
                                      in
                                      > essence what using MRAD funds would be doing. Once this precedent
                                      is set
                                      > and the City of El Cerrito wants to build a city gym for the kids
                                      how will
                                      > the district say no to them when the district has already given
                                      money to
                                      > Richmond.
                                      >
                                      > There is only $5.2 million a year from MRAD and the district has
                                      already
                                      > laid off employees that were originally funded from MRAD. Let MRAD
                                      funds
                                      > bring back those employees first to maintain school property and
                                      when the
                                      > district becomes flush with money let that extra money from the
                                      general fund
                                      > pay for the cities and county pet projects.
                                      >
                                      > Kevin
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > >From: Tammera Campbell <tammeracampbell@...>
                                      > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >CC: sdang@...
                                      > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] mrad giveaway
                                      > >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:17:51 -0800 (PST)
                                      > >
                                      > >Kevin,
                                      > > I just want to point out that the city of Pinole, local PTSAs
                                      and local
                                      > >youth sports organizations, working together with the district,
                                      utilize
                                      > >their own funds to maintain fields for this district and the
                                      kids.
                                      > >Without Pinole money, the field and track at the PVHS would not
                                      have been
                                      > >built. Without PHLL money, the fields at Ellerhorst would not be
                                      there
                                      > >for the kids in the community and the PVHS softball teams to play
                                      on. I
                                      > >could keep listing the projects where Pinole tax payers have put
                                      their
                                      > >money forward for the good of the kids.
                                      > >
                                      > > You can also look at it this way, we don't have enough
                                      employees in
                                      > >this district to maintain all those fields because we don't have
                                      enough
                                      > >operating dollars to cover salaries let alone benefits. If we
                                      work in
                                      > >partnership with other agencies, the district does not take on
                                      the
                                      > >liability of future benefits, we build better relationships with
                                      local
                                      > >communities, and we build a team to support the kids. Am I wrong
                                      or did I
                                      > >miss something?
                                      > > Tammy
                                      > >
                                      > >Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote: Does anyone care that
                                      > >the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
                                      > > by your Board tonight.
                                      > >
                                      > > Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are
                                      spreading
                                      > >your
                                      > > school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice to
                                      spend
                                      > >others
                                      > > money in a way that was not approved by the voters.
                                      > >
                                      > > This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the
                                      state and
                                      > >the
                                      > > feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by giving
                                      it away.
                                      > >
                                      > > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
                                      > >
                                      > > I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not
                                      care why
                                      > >should
                                      > > I.
                                      > >
                                      > > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion dollars
                                      it wants
                                      > >to
                                      > > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
                                      > >
                                      > > Kevin
                                      > >
                                      > >
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                                      > >Tammera (Tammy) E. Campbell
                                      > >Pinole CARE
                                      > >Pinole Valley High Safety Chair
                                      > >Pinole Valley High School Boosters
                                      > >Pinole Middle School Site Council President
                                      > >Pinole Middle School Measure D Committee
                                      > >2668 Alhambra Way
                                      > >Pinole, CA 94564
                                      > >Home: 510-223-3857
                                      > >Work: 510-486-4460
                                      > >Fax: 510-222-4643
                                      > >Pager: 510-425-3192
                                      > >Email: Tammera.Campbell@...
                                      > >
                                      > >Following are contacts for other email lists to consider joining:
                                      > >Ellerhorst Elementary School: ellerhorst_etree@...
                                      > >Collins Elementary School: alisoncrooks@...
                                      > >Pinole Middle School: Tammera.Campbell@...
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                                    • Kevin Rivard
                                      Message 18 of 30 , Feb 3, 2006
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                                        >From: "Ms. Ott" <msott@...>
                                        >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                        >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                        >Subject: [wccusdtalk] Re: mrad giveaway - answers from Mr. Kilmartin's
                                        >Office
                                        >Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:02:20 -0000
                                        >
                                        >I'm happy to announce that even though Mr. Kilmartin is out of the
                                        >office, his Administrative Assistant, Ann Francisco sent me a copy of
                                        >the Dec. 12 meeting minutes, and the issue paper from the board
                                        >meeting packet. She also has called the Fiscal Dept. to get a copy of
                                        >the MRAD annual report. And, Mr. Kilmartin will get back to me
                                        >(probably Monday) about the questions I asked in my email.
                                        >
                                        >I've posted the documents online at:
                                        >
                                        >http://uscitizen.home.comcast.net
                                        >
                                        >Click on the "WCCUSD Facilities" link in the left frame to access the
                                        >documents.
                                        >
                                        >Now, *that's* the way to conduct business professionally. Big kudos
                                        >to Mr. Kilmartin and Ms. Francisco for being so responsive!
                                        >
                                        >--Ms. Ott
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                      • Ms. Ott
                                        Is anyone planning to go to the board meeting on Wednesday 2/8 to give public comment on Consent Item # E.27: (Maintenance Recreation and Assessment District
                                        Message 19 of 30 , Feb 4, 2006
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                                          Is anyone planning to go to the board meeting on Wednesday 2/8 to
                                          give public comment on Consent Item # E.27: (Maintenance Recreation
                                          and Assessment District [MRAD] Support for Richmond Police
                                          Activities League (PAL) Gym Project)?

                                          Be aware it's item #27 out of 27 Consent Items, so it may be rather
                                          late into the meeting when it occurs. However, for anyone who might
                                          be deterred by that, I suppose you could come later. As long as you
                                          submit your request to speak before discussion of the Consent Item
                                          begins, you should have the opportunity. Just as long as the Board
                                          doesn't move it to an earlier time.

                                          Here's the info from the Meeting Policies online at:

                                          http://www.wccusd.k12.ca.us/board/meeting_policies.shtml

                                          A "public hearing" will be held after each agenda item marked with
                                          an asterisk (*) ...This is an opportunity for the public to give its
                                          input to the Board. Individuals wishing to speak to an item must
                                          submit a "Request to Address the Board" form prior to the beginning
                                          of the "public hearing."
                                        • Kevin Rivard
                                          Ms. Ott Consent calendar items are at the beginning of the meeting, after oral communications. But someone from the public must ask for it to be removed from
                                          Message 20 of 30 , Feb 5, 2006
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                                            Ms. Ott

                                            Consent calendar items are at the beginning of the meeting, after oral
                                            communications. But someone from the public must ask for it to be removed
                                            from the consent calendar before the meeting or it will be voted on as part
                                            of the package of consent calendar items without discussion.

                                            The fact that it was put on by staff and allowed to be put on consent
                                            calendar by the board member present at the agenda setting meeting for this
                                            board meeting indicates to me the lack of understanding that this should not
                                            be a Consent Calendar item, and holds little importance to staff or the
                                            board.

                                            Therefore anyone on this list that thinks it should have been an action item
                                            on the agenda, for greater review, should e-mail or call all the board
                                            members now and let your concerns be heard or the board will assume, just as
                                            staff, that no one really cares how the MRAD funds are spent.

                                            I used to go and ask items be taken off the consent calendar and board
                                            members sometimes would ask staff, "How did this get on the consent calendar
                                            when it obviously should have been an action item?" Do not fall for that
                                            line because a board member is always present, usually the clerk or the
                                            president of the board, at the agenda setting meetings, so do not believe
                                            the board members, "OH AM I SURPRISED, deer in the headlight, attitude. They
                                            are just hoping no one will notice until it is to late. This game has been
                                            going on since I started attending board meetings in 1990. Same words, same
                                            attitude just different bodies spouting the same surprise.

                                            So anyway, if the item is pulled it can then be discussed by anyone from the
                                            public who wishes as long as their speaking slip is in Greenwood's hand and
                                            he remembers to read your name.

                                            Kevin


                                            >From: "Ms. Ott" <msott@...>
                                            >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                            >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                            >Subject: [wccusdtalk] Re: mrad giveaway - are you going to speak at the
                                            >board meeting?
                                            >Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:10:16 -0000
                                            >
                                            >Is anyone planning to go to the board meeting on Wednesday 2/8 to
                                            >give public comment on Consent Item # E.27: (Maintenance Recreation
                                            >and Assessment District [MRAD] Support for Richmond Police
                                            >Activities League (PAL) Gym Project)?
                                            >
                                            >Be aware it's item #27 out of 27 Consent Items, so it may be rather
                                            >late into the meeting when it occurs. However, for anyone who might
                                            >be deterred by that, I suppose you could come later. As long as you
                                            >submit your request to speak before discussion of the Consent Item
                                            >begins, you should have the opportunity. Just as long as the Board
                                            >doesn't move it to an earlier time.
                                            >
                                            >Here's the info from the Meeting Policies online at:
                                            >
                                            >http://www.wccusd.k12.ca.us/board/meeting_policies.shtml
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                                          • Eduardo Martinez
                                            I don t see how transparency and creativity in deal-making are exclusive. eduardo ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?
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                                              I don't see how transparency and "creativity" in
                                              deal-making are exclusive.

                                              eduardo

                                              --- Charley Cowens <charley.cowens@...> wrote:

                                              > Tammy-
                                              >
                                              > The difference is that the city of Pinole and others
                                              > are investing
                                              > money in District-owned assets. The proposed deal
                                              > with Richmond
                                              > involves the District using MRAD money out of the
                                              > District to invest
                                              > in a non-District asset in a deal with a city not
                                              > known for fiscal
                                              > acumen. As part of the deal, yes, the District would
                                              > be able to use
                                              > the gym during reconstruction at various schools. I
                                              > don't know how
                                              > useful that would really be. While the investment in
                                              > non-School assets
                                              > is one objection to this, I also have a problem with
                                              > such creative
                                              > deal-making on principle. While it may be necessary
                                              > sometimes, it
                                              > inherently makes it harder to "follow the money". (I
                                              > can hear Kevin
                                              > laughing all the way here.) If transparency is an
                                              > important goal,
                                              > "creativity" in deal-making should be avoided.
                                              >
                                              > Anyway, how do you repeal something like the MRAD?
                                              >
                                              > Charley Cowens
                                              >
                                              > On 2/2/06, Tammera Campbell
                                              > <tammeracampbell@...> wrote:
                                              > > Kevin,
                                              > > I just want to point out that the city of
                                              > Pinole, local PTSAs and local youth sports
                                              > organizations, working together with the district,
                                              > utilize their own funds to maintain fields for this
                                              > district and the kids. Without Pinole money, the
                                              > field and track at the PVHS would not have been
                                              > built. Without PHLL money, the fields at Ellerhorst
                                              > would not be there for the kids in the community
                                              > and the PVHS softball teams to play on. I could
                                              > keep listing the projects where Pinole tax payers
                                              > have put their money forward for the good of the
                                              > kids.
                                              > >
                                              > > You can also look at it this way, we don't have
                                              > enough employees in this district to maintain all
                                              > those fields because we don't have enough operating
                                              > dollars to cover salaries let alone benefits. If we
                                              > work in partnership with other agencies, the
                                              > district does not take on the liability of future
                                              > benefits, we build better relationships with local
                                              > communities, and we build a team to support the
                                              > kids. Am I wrong or did I miss something?
                                              > > Tammy
                                              > >
                                              > > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                                              > Does anyone care that the MRAD money is being given
                                              > to other taxing agencies
                                              > > by your Board tonight.
                                              > >
                                              > > Now that the district is flush with new bond
                                              > money they are spreading your
                                              > > school tax dollars around to other taxing
                                              > agencies. How nice to spend others
                                              > > money in a way that was not approved by the
                                              > voters.
                                              > >
                                              > > This board is becoming just like the big boys,
                                              > the county, the state and the
                                              > > feds. Once they get your money they just make
                                              > friends by giving it away.
                                              > >
                                              > > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
                                              > >
                                              > > I am through fighting this fight. If the
                                              > community does not care why should
                                              > > I.
                                              > >
                                              > > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a
                                              > Billion dollars it wants to
                                              > > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
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                                            • Eduardo Martinez
                                              This is why clarity is essential. We should have to go about making guesses, and worst yet, assumptions. Eduardo ...
                                              Message 22 of 30 , Feb 5, 2006
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                                                This is why clarity is essential. We should have to
                                                go about making guesses, and worst yet, assumptions.

                                                Eduardo

                                                --- Charley Cowens <charley.cowens@...> wrote:

                                                > Alicia-
                                                >
                                                > I don't know. He may have been referring to some
                                                > particular PTAs.
                                                >
                                                > Charley Cowens
                                                >
                                                > On 2/3/06, ladyluvslife67 <alicat1967@...>
                                                > wrote:
                                                > > Can we get Mr. Cowens to weigh in on this issue?
                                                > > Does he know Mr. Kilmartin is telling everyone
                                                > they are
                                                > > working with the PTAS with upkeep of the grass at
                                                > the
                                                > > new schools?
                                                > >
                                                > > This is so typical of our administrators - to say
                                                > things
                                                > > that sound really nice "at the time" to get what
                                                > they
                                                > > want, and then
                                                > > WATCH THIS HAND - BOOM!!!
                                                > > our kids have a big patch of dead grass
                                                > > out in front of their new schools. Talk about
                                                > killing
                                                > > hope! I am at one of the remodeled schools, and I
                                                > tell
                                                > > ya, every kid is just SMILING FROM EAR TO EAR -
                                                > just
                                                > > cause they have GRASS AT THEIR SCHOOL. What about
                                                > > next year? When they ask what happened to their
                                                > > grass.
                                                > > By that time the
                                                > > mrad monies will be gone - spent on something
                                                > else.
                                                > >
                                                > > Tammy, we can all only do so much. You are right
                                                > in the
                                                > > fact their is partner in powerships and
                                                > collaboration.
                                                > > It is always wonderful to hear how the City of
                                                > Pinole
                                                > > works together with everyone to support the
                                                > schools
                                                > > when the district fails to provide even the basic
                                                > > of needs. If you have a site leader who knows
                                                > > the power of partnerships and collaboration
                                                > > then the sky is the limit! I know this
                                                > > to be a fact, I cannot tel you
                                                > > how many people I have met over the last
                                                > > 3 years who want to give back to our kid's
                                                > > school in some way, more money is out
                                                > > of the question, being that they are already
                                                > > doing that when they pay their property taxes
                                                > > every year.
                                                > >
                                                > > Here is a few sugestions on this item:
                                                > >
                                                > > 1. Mr. Kilmartin needs to stop saying he is
                                                > working with
                                                > > the PTAs on the maintenance of the fields and the
                                                > grass
                                                > > and the plants on our sites unless he is HOLDING
                                                > IN HIS
                                                > > HAND A PIECE OF PAPER WITH AN AGREEMENT. I will
                                                > tell
                                                > > you at my school THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH.
                                                > >
                                                > > 2. More people need to be educated on exactly how
                                                > much
                                                > > monies their site has in their budget. It is NOT
                                                > top
                                                > > secret information, although it may take YEARS to
                                                > get that
                                                > > information out there because of the FANTASTIC job
                                                > G-L-O-R-I-A
                                                > > did shutting out parents and alienating community
                                                > members who
                                                > > DO WANT TO HELP THE SCHOOLS. Some of our schools,
                                                > in particular
                                                > > TITLE 1 schools get A LOT OF MONEY.
                                                > >
                                                > > 3. Knowing we do not get enough money from the
                                                > State, Feds -
                                                > > whatever, our board needs to stop being so short
                                                > sighted on
                                                > > collaborations & partnerships. Just as we have
                                                > the information on
                                                > > how to volunteer at the site, the ADMINISTRATION
                                                > should develop a
                                                > > process to encourage sites to collaborate. As it
                                                > stands now
                                                > > WE DONT. Site leaders must recognize that efforts
                                                > need to be made in
                                                > > a consistent matter to ensure steps are taken to
                                                > engage the ENTIRE
                                                > > school community. Board should recognize the
                                                > importance of this and
                                                > > make this a part of the training principal
                                                > receives.
                                                > >
                                                > > Here is
                                                > > just one of the potential collaborations I have
                                                > found: Local
                                                > > video store is interested in giving back to the
                                                > school and of
                                                > > course free advertising. He has offered FREE
                                                > MOVIES to our
                                                > > school so we can host a MOVIE NIGHT once a
                                                > week/month whatever
                                                > > we want for parents
                                                > > and kids. All we have to do is bring his business
                                                > information
                                                > > and set it up on the tables and we make a plug at
                                                > the end of
                                                > > the night. Local restaurant has offered to donate
                                                > snacks
                                                > > and drinks, all we have to do is bring business
                                                > information
                                                > > and make a plug at the end of the night.
                                                > > Our site needs to engage in tremendous efforts
                                                > reaching
                                                > > out to our ENTIRE school community and inviting
                                                > the parents with
                                                > > open arms. We hae done very little to do that.
                                                > And I suspect,
                                                > > their are many sites who are in the same boat as
                                                > mine.
                                                > >
                                                > > I emailed this above potential and many other
                                                > ideas to my site leader
                                                > > and never heard another word about it. If there
                                                > was a PLAN IN PLACE,
                                                > > more people can be encouraged to seek out these
                                                > potential goldmines
                                                > > for our kids (partnerships/collaborations), rather
                                                > than spend a lot
                                                > > of time effort and HOPE - only to have it go into
                                                > the black hole
                                                > > somewhere to never be heard again. I suspect that
                                                > is why many of our
                                                > > parents are disengaged and people are sick and
                                                > tired of being asked
                                                > > for moneys for our schools.
                                                > >
                                                > > AMEDINA
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Tammera
                                                > Campbell
                                                > > <tammeracampbell@...> wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Kevin,
                                                > > > I just want to point out that the city of
                                                > Pinole, local PTSAs and
                                                > > local youth sports organizations, working
                                                > together with the
                                                > > district, utilize their own funds to maintain
                                                > fields for this
                                                > > district and the kids. Without Pinole money, the
                                                > field and track at
                                                > > the PVHS would not have been built. Without PHLL
                                                > money, the fields
                                                > > at Ellerhorst would not be there for the kids in
                                                > the community and
                                                > > the PVHS softball teams to play on. I could keep
                                                > listing the
                                                > > projects where Pinole tax payers have put their
                                                > money forward for
                                                > > the good of the kids.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > You can also look at it this way, we don't
                                                > have enough employees
                                                > > in this district to maintain all those fields
                                                > because we don't have
                                                > > enough operating dollars to cover salaries let
                                                > alone benefits. If
                                                > > we work in partnership with other agencies, the
                                                > district does not
                                                > > take on the liability of future benefits, we
                                                > build better
                                                > > relationships with local communities, and we
                                                > build a team to support
                                                > > the kids. Am I wrong or did I miss something?
                                                > > > Tammy
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote: Does
                                                > anyone care that
                                                > > the MRAD money is being given to other taxing
                                                > agencies
                                                > > > by your Board tonight.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Now that the district is flush with new bond
                                                > money they are
                                                > > spreading your
                                                > > > school tax dollars around to other taxing
                                                > agencies. How nice to
                                                > > spend others
                                                > > > money in a way that was not approved by the
                                                > voters.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > This board is becoming just like the big boys,
                                                > the county, the
                                                > > state and the
                                                > > > feds. Once they get your money they just make
                                                > friends by giving
                                                > > it away.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I am through fighting this fight. If the
                                                > community does not care
                                                > > why should
                                                > > > I.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Come on County, State, Feds this district has
                                                > a Billion dollars
                                                > > it wants to
                                                > > > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Kevin
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                                                > > > Pinole Middle School Measure D Committee
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                                              • Ms. Ott
                                                ... I interpreted creative deal making not as something creative that s interesting and positive, or maybe solution-oriented. It reminded me of one of my
                                                Message 23 of 30 , Feb 6, 2006
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                                                  I can't speak for Charley, but when I read this:

                                                  > --- Charley Cowens wrote:
                                                  > If transparency is an important goal,
                                                  > "creativity" in deal-making should be avoided.

                                                  I interpreted "creative deal making" not as something creative
                                                  that's interesting and positive, or maybe solution-oriented.

                                                  It reminded me of one of my parents' favorite aphorisms, "Figures
                                                  don't lie, but liars figure."

                                                  This means, that two people can take the same numbers and one could
                                                  creatively manipulate them in a manner which obscures the truth, the
                                                  purpose of which is, of course, to economically benefit the
                                                  manipulator in some way. Another analysis would be more objective
                                                  and reflective of the truth perhaps revealing hidden costs or
                                                  potential consequences that would be obscured or unconsidered in a
                                                  biased analysis.

                                                  When I read what Eduardo wrote:

                                                  --- Eduardo Martinez wrote:
                                                  > I don't see how transparency and "creativity" in
                                                  > deal-making are exclusive.

                                                  I thought maybe he wasn't seeing creativity in that light -- as
                                                  manipulation to obscure the truth, which then, *would* be exclusive
                                                  of transparency.

                                                  Creativity doesn't rule out the possibility of
                                                  transparency. "Creative deal making" does.

                                                  Just an idea on the confusion...

                                                  English is a difficult language, but I find in oh, so fascinating.

                                                  Ms. Ott
                                                • Charley Cowens
                                                  Vanessa, By creativity , I meant complexity in the neutral sense. Since complexity makes things harder to understand, it s inherently less transparent, but
                                                  Message 24 of 30 , Feb 6, 2006
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                                                    Vanessa,

                                                    By "creativity", I meant complexity in the neutral sense. Since
                                                    complexity makes things harder to understand, it's inherently less
                                                    transparent, but that may simply be necessary. I don't think good or
                                                    desirable overall transparency for an institution is the same as
                                                    perfect transparency.

                                                    Charley Cowens

                                                    On 2/6/06, Ms. Ott <msott@...> wrote:
                                                    > I can't speak for Charley, but when I read this:
                                                    >
                                                    > > --- Charley Cowens wrote:
                                                    > > If transparency is an important goal,
                                                    > > "creativity" in deal-making should be avoided.
                                                    >
                                                    > I interpreted "creative deal making" not as something creative
                                                    > that's interesting and positive, or maybe solution-oriented.
                                                    >
                                                    > It reminded me of one of my parents' favorite aphorisms, "Figures
                                                    > don't lie, but liars figure."
                                                    >
                                                    > This means, that two people can take the same numbers and one could
                                                    > creatively manipulate them in a manner which obscures the truth, the
                                                    > purpose of which is, of course, to economically benefit the
                                                    > manipulator in some way. Another analysis would be more objective
                                                    > and reflective of the truth perhaps revealing hidden costs or
                                                    > potential consequences that would be obscured or unconsidered in a
                                                    > biased analysis.
                                                    >
                                                    > When I read what Eduardo wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > --- Eduardo Martinez wrote:
                                                    > > I don't see how transparency and "creativity" in
                                                    > > deal-making are exclusive.
                                                    >
                                                    > I thought maybe he wasn't seeing creativity in that light -- as
                                                    > manipulation to obscure the truth, which then, *would* be exclusive
                                                    > of transparency.
                                                    >
                                                    > Creativity doesn't rule out the possibility of
                                                    > transparency. "Creative deal making" does.
                                                    >
                                                    > Just an idea on the confusion...
                                                    >
                                                    > English is a difficult language, but I find in oh, so fascinating.
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                                                  • Charley Cowens
                                                    Alicia- Now, I think I have a clearer idea of what you re talking about. You re not talking about PTAs being consulted about grounds maintenance, but being hit
                                                    Message 25 of 30 , Feb 7, 2006
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                                                      Alicia-

                                                      Now, I think I have a clearer idea of what you're talking about.
                                                      You're not talking about PTAs being consulted about grounds
                                                      maintenance, but being hit up for grounds maintenance. To my
                                                      knowledge, this has come up in one specific school and even here I'll
                                                      have to double-check. It's also not a question of a quid pro quo for
                                                      access to the school, but, if anything, about the level of
                                                      maintenance. Once again, I'll have to ask about this.

                                                      Charley Cowens

                                                      On 2/3/06, ladyluvslife67 <alicat1967@...> wrote:
                                                      > Mr. Cowens-
                                                      > Thanks for replying so quickly.
                                                      >
                                                      > The scenario of our school PTAs being able to
                                                      > upkeep the grass/fields/plants/trees at the sites
                                                      > is a very nice idea, but as you know better than
                                                      > I do, some sites don't even have active PTAs.
                                                      >
                                                      > I am concerned that this misleading statement made
                                                      > by Mr. Kilmartin is something he is just saying so
                                                      > everyone can see the "PTA" is involved and ASSUME
                                                      > oooohhhhhhh then that must be OK.
                                                      >
                                                      > Another thought is the issues with people being on
                                                      > our site grounds. The PTA has the permission of the
                                                      > district to be allowed to use the site for their meeting
                                                      > right? What if Mr. Kilmartin is saying this BECAUSE
                                                      > of this factor? That people will believe the statement
                                                      > even MORE because they know enough that the schools just
                                                      > cant get anyone to come to the sites and take care of the fields
                                                      > and the grass. The PTA is the most recognized organization
                                                      > to anyone - regardless of how much they know about the
                                                      > school district.
                                                      >
                                                      > Once again, this reminds me of a City of Richmond meeting
                                                      > of the Safety Commission after the uproar over the merging
                                                      > of the continuation campuses. When our Chief of Police
                                                      > tells our city council members that the district didn't
                                                      > even talk to him about this potential merger. We then
                                                      > had Dr. Cohen attempt to use language to soothe the
                                                      > councilmembers and community members by assuring
                                                      > the city council that the district cared very
                                                      > much about keeping the community in the loop
                                                      > and going to the "neighborhood councils" and
                                                      > other ways to get feedback from the city.
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > Mr. Kilmartin should have a very good understanding of the PTA if he
                                                      > is indeed suggesting that this occur. And like you said, if it is
                                                      > CERTAIN PTAs I would still URGE HIM to draw up an agreement so we
                                                      > have something in writing. I would URGE OUR SCHOOL BOARD MAJORITY
                                                      > to start AT THE TOP and EMPHASIZE THE POWER OF COLLABORATION AND
                                                      > PARTNERSHIP. It would benefit Mr. Kilmartin actually because
                                                      > he would have made an HONEST effort to COLLABORATE with
                                                      > existing resources for the better of our schools.
                                                      >
                                                      > If not then our school board must keep that HUGE GIGANTIC
                                                      > FILE of DECISION THAT COME BACK TO HAUNT THEM wide open
                                                      > so they can remember just what fancy words were put on
                                                      > paper by Mr. Kilmartin to approve this.
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > AMEDINA
                                                      > --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Charley Cowens
                                                      > <charley.cowens@...> wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Alicia-
                                                      > >
                                                      > > I don't know. He may have been referring to some particular PTAs.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Charley Cowens
                                                      > >
                                                      > > On 2/3/06, ladyluvslife67 <alicat1967@...> wrote:
                                                      > > > Can we get Mr. Cowens to weigh in on this issue?
                                                      > > > Does he know Mr. Kilmartin is telling everyone they are
                                                      > > > working with the PTAS with upkeep of the grass at the
                                                      > > > new schools?
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > This is so typical of our administrators - to say things
                                                      > > > that sound really nice "at the time" to get what they
                                                      > > > want, and then
                                                      > > > WATCH THIS HAND - BOOM!!!
                                                      > > > our kids have a big patch of dead grass
                                                      > > > out in front of their new schools. Talk about killing
                                                      > > > hope! I am at one of the remodeled schools, and I tell
                                                      > > > ya, every kid is just SMILING FROM EAR TO EAR - just
                                                      > > > cause they have GRASS AT THEIR SCHOOL. What about
                                                      > > > next year? When they ask what happened to their
                                                      > > > grass.
                                                      > > > By that time the
                                                      > > > mrad monies will be gone - spent on something else.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Tammy, we can all only do so much. You are right in the
                                                      > > > fact their is partner in powerships and collaboration.
                                                      > > > It is always wonderful to hear how the City of Pinole
                                                      > > > works together with everyone to support the schools
                                                      > > > when the district fails to provide even the basic
                                                      > > > of needs. If you have a site leader who knows
                                                      > > > the power of partnerships and collaboration
                                                      > > > then the sky is the limit! I know this
                                                      > > > to be a fact, I cannot tel you
                                                      > > > how many people I have met over the last
                                                      > > > 3 years who want to give back to our kid's
                                                      > > > school in some way, more money is out
                                                      > > > of the question, being that they are already
                                                      > > > doing that when they pay their property taxes
                                                      > > > every year.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Here is a few sugestions on this item:
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > 1. Mr. Kilmartin needs to stop saying he is working with
                                                      > > > the PTAs on the maintenance of the fields and the grass
                                                      > > > and the plants on our sites unless he is HOLDING IN HIS
                                                      > > > HAND A PIECE OF PAPER WITH AN AGREEMENT. I will tell
                                                      > > > you at my school THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > 2. More people need to be educated on exactly how much
                                                      > > > monies their site has in their budget. It is NOT top
                                                      > > > secret information, although it may take YEARS to get that
                                                      > > > information out there because of the FANTASTIC job G-L-O-R-I-A
                                                      > > > did shutting out parents and alienating community members who
                                                      > > > DO WANT TO HELP THE SCHOOLS. Some of our schools, in particular
                                                      > > > TITLE 1 schools get A LOT OF MONEY.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > 3. Knowing we do not get enough money from the State, Feds -
                                                      > > > whatever, our board needs to stop being so short sighted on
                                                      > > > collaborations & partnerships. Just as we have the information on
                                                      > > > how to volunteer at the site, the ADMINISTRATION should develop a
                                                      > > > process to encourage sites to collaborate. As it stands now
                                                      > > > WE DONT. Site leaders must recognize that efforts need to be
                                                      > made in
                                                      > > > a consistent matter to ensure steps are taken to engage the ENTIRE
                                                      > > > school community. Board should recognize the importance of this
                                                      > and
                                                      > > > make this a part of the training principal receives.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > Here is
                                                      > > > just one of the potential collaborations I have found: Local
                                                      > > > video store is interested in giving back to the school and of
                                                      > > > course free advertising. He has offered FREE MOVIES to our
                                                      > > > school so we can host a MOVIE NIGHT once a week/month whatever
                                                      > > > we want for parents
                                                      > > > and kids. All we have to do is bring his business information
                                                      > > > and set it up on the tables and we make a plug at the end of
                                                      > > > the night. Local restaurant has offered to donate snacks
                                                      > > > and drinks, all we have to do is bring business information
                                                      > > > and make a plug at the end of the night.
                                                      > > > Our site needs to engage in tremendous efforts reaching
                                                      > > > out to our ENTIRE school community and inviting the parents with
                                                      > > > open arms. We hae done very little to do that. And I suspect,
                                                      > > > their are many sites who are in the same boat as mine.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > I emailed this above potential and many other ideas to my site
                                                      > leader
                                                      > > > and never heard another word about it. If there was a PLAN IN
                                                      > PLACE,
                                                      > > > more people can be encouraged to seek out these potential
                                                      > goldmines
                                                      > > > for our kids (partnerships/collaborations), rather than spend a
                                                      > lot
                                                      > > > of time effort and HOPE - only to have it go into the black hole
                                                      > > > somewhere to never be heard again. I suspect that is why many of
                                                      > our
                                                      > > > parents are disengaged and people are sick and tired of being
                                                      > asked
                                                      > > > for moneys for our schools.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > AMEDINA
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Tammera Campbell
                                                      > > > <tammeracampbell@> wrote:
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > Kevin,
                                                      > > > > I just want to point out that the city of Pinole, local PTSAs
                                                      > and
                                                      > > > local youth sports organizations, working together with the
                                                      > > > district, utilize their own funds to maintain fields for this
                                                      > > > district and the kids. Without Pinole money, the field and
                                                      > track at
                                                      > > > the PVHS would not have been built. Without PHLL money, the
                                                      > fields
                                                      > > > at Ellerhorst would not be there for the kids in the community
                                                      > and
                                                      > > > the PVHS softball teams to play on. I could keep listing the
                                                      > > > projects where Pinole tax payers have put their money forward for
                                                      > > > the good of the kids.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > You can also look at it this way, we don't have enough
                                                      > employees
                                                      > > > in this district to maintain all those fields because we don't
                                                      > have
                                                      > > > enough operating dollars to cover salaries let alone benefits.
                                                      > If
                                                      > > > we work in partnership with other agencies, the district does not
                                                      > > > take on the liability of future benefits, we build better
                                                      > > > relationships with local communities, and we build a team to
                                                      > support
                                                      > > > the kids. Am I wrong or did I miss something?
                                                      > > > > Tammy
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@> wrote: Does anyone care that
                                                      > > > the MRAD money is being given to other taxing agencies
                                                      > > > > by your Board tonight.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > Now that the district is flush with new bond money they are
                                                      > > > spreading your
                                                      > > > > school tax dollars around to other taxing agencies. How nice
                                                      > to
                                                      > > > spend others
                                                      > > > > money in a way that was not approved by the voters.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > This board is becoming just like the big boys, the county, the
                                                      > > > state and the
                                                      > > > > feds. Once they get your money they just make friends by
                                                      > giving
                                                      > > > it away.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > Oh well, this community gets what it deserves.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > I am through fighting this fight. If the community does not
                                                      > care
                                                      > > > why should
                                                      > > > > I.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > Come on County, State, Feds this district has a Billion
                                                      > dollars
                                                      > > > it wants to
                                                      > > > > share. Come and get. The city of Richmond did.
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > Kevin
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
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                                                      > > > > Tammera (Tammy) E. Campbell
                                                      > > > > Pinole CARE
                                                      > > > > Pinole Valley High Safety Chair
                                                      > > > > Pinole Valley High School Boosters
                                                      > > > > Pinole Middle School Site Council President
                                                      > > > > Pinole Middle School Measure D Committee
                                                      > > > > 2668 Alhambra Way
                                                      > > > > Pinole, CA 94564
                                                      > > > > Home: 510-223-3857
                                                      > > > > Work: 510-486-4460
                                                      > > > > Fax: 510-222-4643
                                                      > > > > Pager: 510-425-3192
                                                      > > > > Email: Tammera.Campbell@
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > Following are contacts for other email lists to consider
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                                                      > > > > Ellerhorst Elementary School: ellerhorst_etree@
                                                      > > > > Collins Elementary School: alisoncrooks@
                                                      > > > > Pinole Middle School: Tammera.Campbell@
                                                      > > > > Pinole Valley High School: mikewitz2@
                                                      > > > > Pinole CARE: parents@
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                                                    • Eduardo Martinez
                                                      Transparent to me means being open, candid, frank. For instance in this deal with the MRAD money, however complex the deal may be, we should have been told
                                                      Message 26 of 30 , Feb 7, 2006
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                                                        "Transparent" to me means being open, candid, frank.
                                                        For instance in this deal with the MRAD money, however
                                                        complex the deal may be, we should have been told
                                                        which facility the money is going to, and if there is
                                                        no particular facility, we should know that as well.
                                                        Transparency had more to do with the intent and the
                                                        follow through explanations of the persons sharing
                                                        information. I don't believe anyone is looking for
                                                        "perfect transparency", although that should always be
                                                        the target for which we shoot. At this point, we're
                                                        just hoping for something translucent, a step better
                                                        than this opacity we're currently getting.

                                                        Eduardo

                                                        --- Charley Cowens <charley.cowens@...> wrote:

                                                        > Vanessa,
                                                        >
                                                        > By "creativity", I meant complexity in the neutral
                                                        > sense. Since
                                                        > complexity makes things harder to understand, it's
                                                        > inherently less
                                                        > transparent, but that may simply be necessary. I
                                                        > don't think good or
                                                        > desirable overall transparency for an institution is
                                                        > the same as
                                                        > perfect transparency.
                                                        >
                                                        > Charley Cowens
                                                        >
                                                        > On 2/6/06, Ms. Ott <msott@...> wrote:
                                                        > > I can't speak for Charley, but when I read this:
                                                        > >
                                                        > > > --- Charley Cowens wrote:
                                                        > > > If transparency is an important goal,
                                                        > > > "creativity" in deal-making should be avoided.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I interpreted "creative deal making" not as
                                                        > something creative
                                                        > > that's interesting and positive, or maybe
                                                        > solution-oriented.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > It reminded me of one of my parents' favorite
                                                        > aphorisms, "Figures
                                                        > > don't lie, but liars figure."
                                                        > >
                                                        > > This means, that two people can take the same
                                                        > numbers and one could
                                                        > > creatively manipulate them in a manner which
                                                        > obscures the truth, the
                                                        > > purpose of which is, of course, to economically
                                                        > benefit the
                                                        > > manipulator in some way. Another analysis would
                                                        > be more objective
                                                        > > and reflective of the truth perhaps revealing
                                                        > hidden costs or
                                                        > > potential consequences that would be obscured or
                                                        > unconsidered in a
                                                        > > biased analysis.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > When I read what Eduardo wrote:
                                                        > >
                                                        > > --- Eduardo Martinez wrote:
                                                        > > > I don't see how transparency and "creativity"
                                                        > in
                                                        > > > deal-making are exclusive.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I thought maybe he wasn't seeing creativity in
                                                        > that light -- as
                                                        > > manipulation to obscure the truth, which then,
                                                        > *would* be exclusive
                                                        > > of transparency.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Creativity doesn't rule out the possibility of
                                                        > > transparency. "Creative deal making" does.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Just an idea on the confusion...
                                                        > >
                                                        > > English is a difficult language, but I find in oh,
                                                        > so fascinating.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Ms. Ott
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
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                                                      • Eduardo Martinez
                                                        I also meant to include that transparency is also affected by one s ability to communicate. I didn t waqnt to imply that all who aren t clear have other
                                                        Message 27 of 30 , Feb 7, 2006
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                                                          I also meant to include that transparency is also
                                                          affected by one's ability to communicate. I didn't
                                                          waqnt to imply that all who aren't clear have other
                                                          motives.

                                                          e

                                                          --- Eduardo Martinez <ezedmartin@...> wrote:

                                                          > "Transparent" to me means being open, candid, frank.
                                                          >
                                                          > For instance in this deal with the MRAD money,
                                                          > however
                                                          > complex the deal may be, we should have been told
                                                          > which facility the money is going to, and if there
                                                          > is
                                                          > no particular facility, we should know that as well.
                                                          >
                                                          > Transparency had more to do with the intent and the
                                                          > follow through explanations of the persons sharing
                                                          > information. I don't believe anyone is looking for
                                                          > "perfect transparency", although that should always
                                                          > be
                                                          > the target for which we shoot. At this point, we're
                                                          > just hoping for something translucent, a step better
                                                          > than this opacity we're currently getting.
                                                          >
                                                          > Eduardo
                                                          >
                                                          > --- Charley Cowens <charley.cowens@...> wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > > Vanessa,
                                                          > >
                                                          > > By "creativity", I meant complexity in the neutral
                                                          > > sense. Since
                                                          > > complexity makes things harder to understand, it's
                                                          > > inherently less
                                                          > > transparent, but that may simply be necessary. I
                                                          > > don't think good or
                                                          > > desirable overall transparency for an institution
                                                          > is
                                                          > > the same as
                                                          > > perfect transparency.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Charley Cowens
                                                          > >
                                                          > > On 2/6/06, Ms. Ott <msott@...> wrote:
                                                          > > > I can't speak for Charley, but when I read this:
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > > --- Charley Cowens wrote:
                                                          > > > > If transparency is an important goal,
                                                          > > > > "creativity" in deal-making should be avoided.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > I interpreted "creative deal making" not as
                                                          > > something creative
                                                          > > > that's interesting and positive, or maybe
                                                          > > solution-oriented.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > It reminded me of one of my parents' favorite
                                                          > > aphorisms, "Figures
                                                          > > > don't lie, but liars figure."
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > This means, that two people can take the same
                                                          > > numbers and one could
                                                          > > > creatively manipulate them in a manner which
                                                          > > obscures the truth, the
                                                          > > > purpose of which is, of course, to economically
                                                          > > benefit the
                                                          > > > manipulator in some way. Another analysis would
                                                          > > be more objective
                                                          > > > and reflective of the truth perhaps revealing
                                                          > > hidden costs or
                                                          > > > potential consequences that would be obscured or
                                                          > > unconsidered in a
                                                          > > > biased analysis.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > When I read what Eduardo wrote:
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > --- Eduardo Martinez wrote:
                                                          > > > > I don't see how transparency and "creativity"
                                                          > > in
                                                          > > > > deal-making are exclusive.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > I thought maybe he wasn't seeing creativity in
                                                          > > that light -- as
                                                          > > > manipulation to obscure the truth, which then,
                                                          > > *would* be exclusive
                                                          > > > of transparency.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Creativity doesn't rule out the possibility of
                                                          > > > transparency. "Creative deal making" does.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Just an idea on the confusion...
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > English is a difficult language, but I find in
                                                          > oh,
                                                          > > so fascinating.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Ms. Ott
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > >
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                                                        • Ms. Ott
                                                          Today I received the MRAD Engineer s Report Fiscal Year 2005-2006 from Mr. Kilmartin s office. It is posted at:
                                                          Message 28 of 30 , Feb 10, 2006
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                                                            Today I received the MRAD Engineer's Report Fiscal Year 2005-2006 from
                                                            Mr. Kilmartin's office. It is posted at:

                                                            http://uscitizen.home.comcast.net/WCCUSD/Information/0506_Report_by_Shi
                                                            lts.pdf

                                                            for anyone who is interested. The moderator for this group may wish
                                                            to add this to the "Files" section of this discussion group.

                                                            Or, you can go to the index page:

                                                            http://uscitizen.home.comcast.net/WCCUSD/Information/

                                                            and click the link to the report.

                                                            --Ms. Ott
                                                          • Cathy Travlos
                                                            I ve added a link to the Fiscal Report. Go to links and look under Fiscal. Cathy
                                                            Message 29 of 30 , Feb 10, 2006
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                                                              I've added a link to the Fiscal Report. Go to links and look under Fiscal.
                                                              Cathy

                                                              Ms. Ott wrote:

                                                              >Today I received the MRAD Engineer's Report Fiscal Year 2005-2006 from
                                                              >Mr. Kilmartin's office. It is posted at:
                                                              >
                                                              >http://uscitizen.home.comcast.net/WCCUSD/Information/0506_Report_by_Shi
                                                              >lts.pdf
                                                              >
                                                              >for anyone who is interested. The moderator for this group may wish
                                                              >to add this to the "Files" section of this discussion group.
                                                              >
                                                              >Or, you can go to the index page:
                                                              >
                                                              >http://uscitizen.home.comcast.net/WCCUSD/Information/
                                                              >
                                                              >and click the link to the report.
                                                              >
                                                              >--Ms. Ott
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                            • Kevin Rivard
                                                              Ms. Ott, Thank you so much for putting the following on our site: Shilts MRAD report
                                                              Message 30 of 30 , Feb 10, 2006
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                                                                Ms. Ott,

                                                                Thank you so much for putting the following on our site: Shilts MRAD report

                                                                http://uscitizen.home.comcast.net/WCCUSD/Information/0506_Report_by_Shilts.pdf

                                                                If you want to see 24 pages of how your MRAD money is suppose to be spent go
                                                                to the above address and read. Especially read page 6 to read exactly what
                                                                the voters voted on. Only property under the district's jurisdiction is to
                                                                be given MRAD money. The go to page 9 and look at the MRAD budget and ask
                                                                yourself which line item could the $200,000 given to the City of Richmond
                                                                this past Wednesday be taken from.

                                                                Once you figure that out please let me know and if you cannot figure it out
                                                                send an e-mail question to Brown, Pfieffer and Ramsey and ask them to
                                                                explain what wording in the 24 page document and budget allowed them to give
                                                                away your children's MRAD money and what line item did it come from. Maybe
                                                                it was that janitor that just got laid off. Or maybe it was that paint
                                                                needed to cover the graffiti, maybe it was the gas for the lawnmower to mow
                                                                the new grass at our renovated schools. It was taken from some school or
                                                                cost some employee their job.

                                                                dbrown247@...,karenepfeifer@...,hawgs@...(ramsey)

                                                                This is just one more example of how this board shows you the public, who
                                                                has supported the district by giving it your tax dollars, that they do not
                                                                care how they spend your money. I do not believe this is what you want your
                                                                money spent on but if you remain silent the board will assume you are ok
                                                                with giving your tax money to other agencies that did not even have to ask
                                                                you for it. The residents of Richmond decided not to give their own city an
                                                                extra sales tax in the last election but you the tax payers of WCCUSD gave
                                                                Richmond $200,000 on Wednesday night and did not even get a chance to vote
                                                                on the tax.

                                                                Are you going to remain silent. If so I guess the board is correct, you do
                                                                not mind which I too will have to assume.

                                                                Kevin




                                                                >From: "Ms. Ott" <msott@...>
                                                                >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                                                >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                                                >Subject: [wccusdtalk] MRAD Engineer's Report Fiscal Year 2005-2006
                                                                >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:20:39 -0000
                                                                >
                                                                >Today I received the MRAD Engineer's Report Fiscal Year 2005-2006 from
                                                                >Mr. Kilmartin's office. It is posted at:
                                                                >
                                                                >http://uscitizen.home.comcast.net/WCCUSD/Information/0506_Report_by_Shilts.pdf
                                                                >
                                                                >for anyone who is interested. The moderator for this group may wish
                                                                >to add this to the "Files" section of this discussion group.
                                                                >
                                                                >Or, you can go to the index page:
                                                                >
                                                                >http://uscitizen.home.comcast.net/WCCUSD/Information/
                                                                >
                                                                >and click the link to the report.
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                                                                >--Ms. Ott
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