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  • SarahCreeley@aol.com
    Hi Rebecca, and All, March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers, Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission
    Message 1 of 17 , Jun 27, 2005
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      Hi Rebecca, and All,

      March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
      Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement, pictures of our
      70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
      www.march4education.org.

      Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut all
      Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents started meeting
      at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board meetings. We
      named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie Smith,
      Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha Williamson,
      Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.

      At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were very
      frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer Community
      became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.

      Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids and
      we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It was
      Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County meeting
      agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents came
      together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.

      The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply about the
      state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
      Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for quality, equal
      education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
      advocates.

      Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling because
      new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time these
      horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep the
      cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the teachers'
      decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and high school
      counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for Bissell.

      I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person yet. I
      think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:

      I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that students,
      parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new Superintendants
      should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I feel we
      have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a partner,
      working with teachers.

      A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who gives out
      a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where teachers have
      to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This is the
      opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
      practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when needed. This
      bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!

      I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I want an
      active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe this is
      possible. Board members, please let this community know what your process and
      expectations are for making these important decisions.

      I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are fun and
      a useful way to help our kids.

      LOVE,
      Sarah

      In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
      rah_tax@... writes:

      > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same page
      > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what I have
      > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell us who you
      > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the governing board,
      > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based, parent
      > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any kind of
      > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation of Teachers,
      > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your backers?
      >
      > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified with any
      > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your interests as
      > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school district?
      > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent, employee, etc,
      > etc.
      >
      > Rebecca
      >
      >
      >
      > Hulda Nystrom <huldanystrom@...> wrote:
      > March4Education meeting agenda
      > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
      > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
      >
      > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be discussed:
      >
      > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
      > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
      > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
      > of the Board
      > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
      > * the process
      > * selection criteria
      > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
      >
      > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
      > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
      > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
      >
      > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
      > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
      >
      > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
      > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
      >
      > 5. Good of the order
      >
      > At a future meeting:
      > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
      > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to "guide"
      > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement district,
      > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
      >
      > Hope to see you there!
      >
      > Hulda
      >



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    • Kevin Rivard
      Sarah, Rebecca s question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
      Message 2 of 17 , Jun 27, 2005
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        Sarah,

        Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
        intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
        organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
        intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
        shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are carrying.

        I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have any
        intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation and
        went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is nothing
        current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for M4Ed
        meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
        Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement is
        a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving Salinas
        Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site are
        outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.

        I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for M4Ed
        has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture of
        education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is co-opted
        by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact that
        M4Ed could have.

        These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have and I
        would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naivet� is.

        Kevin


        >From: SarahCreeley@...
        >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
        >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
        >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
        >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
        >gailmendes@..., glen@...
        >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
        >Opportunity W...
        >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
        >
        >Hi Rebecca, and All,
        >
        >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
        >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
        >pictures of our
        >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
        >www.march4education.org.
        >
        >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut all
        >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents started
        >meeting
        >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board meetings.
        >We
        >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
        >Smith,
        >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha Williamson,
        >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
        >
        >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were very
        >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
        >Community
        >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
        >
        >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids and
        >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It was
        >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
        >meeting
        >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents came
        >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
        >
        >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply about
        >the
        >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
        >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for quality,
        >equal
        >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
        >advocates.
        >
        >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
        >because
        >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
        >these
        >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep the
        >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the teachers'
        >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
        >high school
        >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
        >Bissell.
        >
        >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person yet.
        >I
        >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
        >
        >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
        >students,
        >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new Superintendants
        >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I feel
        >we
        >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
        >partner,
        >working with teachers.
        >
        >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who gives
        >out
        >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where teachers
        >have
        >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This is
        >the
        >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
        >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
        >needed. This
        >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
        >
        >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I want an
        >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
        >this is
        >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your process
        >and
        >expectations are for making these important decisions.
        >
        >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are fun
        >and
        >a useful way to help our kids.
        >
        >LOVE,
        >Sarah
        >
        >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
        >rah_tax@... writes:
        >
        > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
        >page
        > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what I
        >have
        > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell us
        >who you
        > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the governing
        >board,
        > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
        >parent
        > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any kind
        >of
        > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation of
        >Teachers,
        > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
        >backers?
        > >
        > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified with
        >any
        > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your interests
        >as
        > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
        >district?
        > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
        >employee, etc,
        > > etc.
        > >
        > > Rebecca
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Hulda Nystrom <huldanystrom@...> wrote:
        > > March4Education meeting agenda
        > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
        > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
        > >
        > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be discussed:
        > >
        > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
        > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
        > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
        > > of the Board
        > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
        > > * the process
        > > * selection criteria
        > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
        > >
        > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
        > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
        > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
        > >
        > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
        > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
        > >
        > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
        > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
        > >
        > > 5. Good of the order
        > >
        > > At a future meeting:
        > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
        > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to "guide"
        > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
        >district,
        > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
        > >
        > > Hope to see you there!
        > >
        > > Hulda
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
      • Charley Cowens
        Kevin- However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don t see how anyone reading their mission statement wouldn t get a clear and accurate idea of
        Message 3 of 17 , Jun 28, 2005
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          Kevin-

          However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
          anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
          accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
          is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
          kind of progressive politics.

          Charley Cowens

          On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
          > Sarah,
          >
          > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
          > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
          > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
          > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
          > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are carrying.
          >
          > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have any
          > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation and
          > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is nothing
          > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for M4Ed
          > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
          > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement is
          > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving Salinas
          > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site are
          > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
          >
          > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for M4Ed
          > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture of
          > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is co-opted
          > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact that
          > M4Ed could have.
          >
          > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have and I
          > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naiveté is.
          >
          > Kevin
          >
          >
          > >From: SarahCreeley@...
          > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
          > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
          > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
          > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
          > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
          > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
          > >Opportunity W...
          > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
          > >
          > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
          > >
          > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
          > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
          > >pictures of our
          > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
          > >www.march4education.org.
          > >
          > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut all
          > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents started
          > >meeting
          > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board meetings.
          > >We
          > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
          > >Smith,
          > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha Williamson,
          > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
          > >
          > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were very
          > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
          > >Community
          > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
          > >
          > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids and
          > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It was
          > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
          > >meeting
          > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents came
          > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
          > >
          > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply about
          > >the
          > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
          > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for quality,
          > >equal
          > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
          > >advocates.
          > >
          > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
          > >because
          > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
          > >these
          > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep the
          > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the teachers'
          > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
          > >high school
          > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
          > >Bissell.
          > >
          > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person yet.
          > >I
          > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
          > >
          > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
          > >students,
          > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new Superintendants
          > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I feel
          > >we
          > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
          > >partner,
          > >working with teachers.
          > >
          > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who gives
          > >out
          > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where teachers
          > >have
          > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This is
          > >the
          > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
          > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
          > >needed. This
          > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
          > >
          > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I want an
          > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
          > >this is
          > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your process
          > >and
          > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
          > >
          > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are fun
          > >and
          > >a useful way to help our kids.
          > >
          > >LOVE,
          > >Sarah
          > >
          > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
          > >rah_tax@... writes:
          > >
          > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
          > >page
          > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what I
          > >have
          > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell us
          > >who you
          > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the governing
          > >board,
          > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
          > >parent
          > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any kind
          > >of
          > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation of
          > >Teachers,
          > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
          > >backers?
          > > >
          > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified with
          > >any
          > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your interests
          > >as
          > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
          > >district?
          > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
          > >employee, etc,
          > > > etc.
          > > >
          > > > Rebecca
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Hulda Nystrom <huldanystrom@...> wrote:
          > > > March4Education meeting agenda
          > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
          > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
          > > >
          > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be discussed:
          > > >
          > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
          > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
          > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
          > > > of the Board
          > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
          > > > * the process
          > > > * selection criteria
          > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
          > > >
          > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
          > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
          > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
          > > >
          > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
          > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
          > > >
          > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
          > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
          > > >
          > > > 5. Good of the order
          > > >
          > > > At a future meeting:
          > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
          > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to "guide"
          > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
          > >district,
          > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
          > > >
          > > > Hope to see you there!
          > > >
          > > > Hulda
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
        • Charley Cowens
          Sarah- I don t agree with your timeline for the group that eventually took the name West County Parents for lack of anything better before dissolving into
          Message 4 of 17 , Jun 28, 2005
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            Sarah-

            I don't agree with your timeline for the group that eventually took
            the name West County Parents for lack of anything better before
            dissolving into oblivion. This group started in April of 2003 at a
            meeting organized by Laura Soble, Jane Breyer, and other Madera
            parents at the synagogue near Hilltop Mall as parents realized the
            magnitude of the budget crisis in the District. Shortly after this in
            May, this mailing list was formed as a more efficient way for everyone
            to keep in touch. (Marsha Williamson was the first non-moderator
            member of the list.) Not till the next calendar year did we go
            through the defeat of J and the victory of B. However, your genealogy
            of the remnants of West County parents flowing into M4E makes sense.

            Charley Cowens

            On 6/27/05, SarahCreeley@... <SarahCreeley@...> wrote:
            > Hi Rebecca, and All,
            >
            > March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
            > Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement, pictures of our
            > 70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
            > www.march4education.org.
            >
            > Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut all
            > Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents started meeting
            > at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board meetings. We
            > named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie Smith,
            > Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha Williamson,
            > Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
            >
            > At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were very
            > frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer Community
            > became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
            >
            > Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids and
            > we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It was
            > Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County meeting
            > agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents came
            > together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
            >
            > The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply about the
            > state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
            > Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for quality, equal
            > education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
            > advocates.
            >
            > Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling because
            > new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time these
            > horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep the
            > cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the teachers'
            > decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and high school
            > counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for Bissell.
            >
            > I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person yet. I
            > think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
            >
            > I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that students,
            > parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new Superintendants
            > should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I feel we
            > have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a partner,
            > working with teachers.
            >
            > A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who gives out
            > a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where teachers have
            > to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This is the
            > opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
            > practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when needed. This
            > bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
            >
            > I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I want an
            > active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe this is
            > possible. Board members, please let this community know what your process and
            > expectations are for making these important decisions.
            >
            > I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are fun and
            > a useful way to help our kids.
            >
            > LOVE,
            > Sarah
            >
            > In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
            > rah_tax@... writes:
            >
            > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same page
            > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what I have
            > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell us who you
            > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the governing board,
            > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based, parent
            > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any kind of
            > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation of Teachers,
            > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your backers?
            > >
            > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified with any
            > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your interests as
            > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school district?
            > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent, employee, etc,
            > > etc.
            > >
            > > Rebecca
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Hulda Nystrom <huldanystrom@...> wrote:
            > > March4Education meeting agenda
            > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
            > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
            > >
            > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be discussed:
            > >
            > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
            > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
            > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
            > > of the Board
            > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
            > > * the process
            > > * selection criteria
            > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
            > >
            > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
            > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
            > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
            > >
            > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
            > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
            > >
            > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
            > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
            > >
            > > 5. Good of the order
            > >
            > > At a future meeting:
            > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
            > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to "guide"
            > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement district,
            > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
            > >
            > > Hope to see you there!
            > >
            > > Hulda
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
          • Kevin Rivard
            A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as Salinas.
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              A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly
              planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as
              Salinas.

              There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in WCCUSD without
              being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the World.

              I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is relevant to
              the education problems of WCCUSD.

              Kevin

              >From: Charley Cowens <charley.cowens@...>
              >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
              >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
              >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
              >Opportunity W...
              >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
              >
              >Kevin-
              >
              >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
              >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
              >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
              >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
              >kind of progressive politics.
              >
              >Charley Cowens
              >
              >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
              > > Sarah,
              > >
              > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
              > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
              > > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
              > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
              > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are
              >carrying.
              > >
              > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have
              >any
              > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation
              >and
              > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is
              >nothing
              > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for
              >M4Ed
              > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
              > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement
              >is
              > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving
              >Salinas
              > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site
              >are
              > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
              > >
              > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for
              >M4Ed
              > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture
              >of
              > > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is
              >co-opted
              > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact
              >that
              > > M4Ed could have.
              > >
              > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have
              >and I
              > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naivet�
              >is.
              > >
              > > Kevin
              > >
              > >
              > > >From: SarahCreeley@...
              > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
              > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
              > > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
              > > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
              > > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
              > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7
              >pm
              > > >Opportunity W...
              > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
              > > >
              > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
              > > >
              > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
              > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
              > > >pictures of our
              > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
              > > >www.march4education.org.
              > > >
              > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut
              >all
              > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents
              >started
              > > >meeting
              > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board
              >meetings.
              > > >We
              > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
              > > >Smith,
              > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha
              >Williamson,
              > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
              > > >
              > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were
              >very
              > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
              > > >Community
              > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
              > > >
              > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids
              >and
              > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It
              >was
              > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
              > > >meeting
              > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents
              >came
              > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
              > > >
              > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply
              >about
              > > >the
              > > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
              > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for
              >quality,
              > > >equal
              > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
              > > >advocates.
              > > >
              > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
              > > >because
              > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
              > > >these
              > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep
              >the
              > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the
              >teachers'
              > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
              > > >high school
              > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
              > > >Bissell.
              > > >
              > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person
              >yet.
              > > >I
              > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
              > > >
              > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
              > > >students,
              > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
              >Superintendants
              > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I
              >feel
              > > >we
              > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
              > > >partner,
              > > >working with teachers.
              > > >
              > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who
              >gives
              > > >out
              > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where
              >teachers
              > > >have
              > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This
              >is
              > > >the
              > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
              > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
              > > >needed. This
              > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
              > > >
              > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I
              >want an
              > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
              > > >this is
              > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your
              >process
              > > >and
              > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
              > > >
              > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are
              >fun
              > > >and
              > > >a useful way to help our kids.
              > > >
              > > >LOVE,
              > > >Sarah
              > > >
              > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
              > > >rah_tax@... writes:
              > > >
              > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
              > > >page
              > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what
              >I
              > > >have
              > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell
              >us
              > > >who you
              > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
              >governing
              > > >board,
              > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
              > > >parent
              > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any
              >kind
              > > >of
              > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation
              >of
              > > >Teachers,
              > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
              > > >backers?
              > > > >
              > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified
              >with
              > > >any
              > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your
              >interests
              > > >as
              > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
              > > >district?
              > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
              > > >employee, etc,
              > > > > etc.
              > > > >
              > > > > Rebecca
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Hulda Nystrom <huldanystrom@...> wrote:
              > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
              > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
              > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
              > > > >
              > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be
              >discussed:
              > > > >
              > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
              > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
              > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
              > > > > of the Board
              > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
              > > > > * the process
              > > > > * selection criteria
              > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
              > > > >
              > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
              > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
              > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
              > > > >
              > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
              > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
              > > > >
              > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
              > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
              > > > >
              > > > > 5. Good of the order
              > > > >
              > > > > At a future meeting:
              > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
              > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to
              >"guide"
              > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
              > > >district,
              > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
              > > > >
              > > > > Hope to see you there!
              > > > >
              > > > > Hulda
              > > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
            • Michael McDonald
              Kevin, When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other communities who
              Message 6 of 17 , Jun 28, 2005
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                Kevin,

                When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right, you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                some more at us in this forum.

                The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction.

                Mike McDonald
                M4E



                Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly
                planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as
                Salinas.

                There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in WCCUSD without
                being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the World.

                I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is relevant to
                the education problems of WCCUSD.

                Kevin

                >From: Charley Cowens
                >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
                >Opportunity W...
                >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                >
                >Kevin-
                >
                >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
                >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
                >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                >kind of progressive politics.
                >
                >Charley Cowens
                >
                >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                > > Sarah,
                > >
                > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
                > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
                > > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
                > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
                > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are
                >carrying.
                > >
                > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have
                >any
                > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation
                >and
                > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is
                >nothing
                > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for
                >M4Ed
                > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
                > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement
                >is
                > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving
                >Salinas
                > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site
                >are
                > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                > >
                > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for
                >M4Ed
                > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture
                >of
                > > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is
                >co-opted
                > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact
                >that
                > > M4Ed could have.
                > >
                > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have
                >and I
                > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naiveté
                >is.
                > >
                > > Kevin
                > >
                > >
                > > >From: SarahCreeley@...
                > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
                > > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
                > > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                > > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
                > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7
                >pm
                > > >Opportunity W...
                > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                > > >
                > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                > > >
                > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
                > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
                > > >pictures of our
                > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
                > > >www.march4education.org.
                > > >
                > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut
                >all
                > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents
                >started
                > > >meeting
                > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board
                >meetings.
                > > >We
                > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
                > > >Smith,
                > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha
                >Williamson,
                > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                > > >
                > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were
                >very
                > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
                > > >Community
                > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
                > > >
                > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids
                >and
                > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It
                >was
                > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
                > > >meeting
                > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents
                >came
                > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                > > >
                > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply
                >about
                > > >the
                > > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
                > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for
                >quality,
                > > >equal
                > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
                > > >advocates.
                > > >
                > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
                > > >because
                > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
                > > >these
                > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep
                >the
                > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the
                >teachers'
                > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
                > > >high school
                > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
                > > >Bissell.
                > > >
                > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person
                >yet.
                > > >I
                > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
                > > >
                > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
                > > >students,
                > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                >Superintendants
                > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I
                >feel
                > > >we
                > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
                > > >partner,
                > > >working with teachers.
                > > >
                > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who
                >gives
                > > >out
                > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where
                >teachers
                > > >have
                > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This
                >is
                > > >the
                > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
                > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
                > > >needed. This
                > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                > > >
                > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I
                >want an
                > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
                > > >this is
                > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your
                >process
                > > >and
                > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                > > >
                > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are
                >fun
                > > >and
                > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                > > >
                > > >LOVE,
                > > >Sarah
                > > >
                > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                > > >rah_tax@... writes:
                > > >
                > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
                > > >page
                > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what
                >I
                > > >have
                > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell
                >us
                > > >who you
                > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                >governing
                > > >board,
                > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
                > > >parent
                > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any
                >kind
                > > >of
                > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation
                >of
                > > >Teachers,
                > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
                > > >backers?
                > > > >
                > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified
                >with
                > > >any
                > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your
                >interests
                > > >as
                > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
                > > >district?
                > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
                > > >employee, etc,
                > > > > etc.
                > > > >
                > > > > Rebecca
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                > > > >
                > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be
                >discussed:
                > > > >
                > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
                > > > > of the Board
                > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
                > > > > * the process
                > > > > * selection criteria
                > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
                > > > >
                > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
                > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
                > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
                > > > >
                > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                > > > >
                > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                > > > >
                > > > > 5. Good of the order
                > > > >
                > > > > At a future meeting:
                > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to
                >"guide"
                > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
                > > >district,
                > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                > > > >
                > > > > Hope to see you there!
                > > > >
                > > > > Hulda
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
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              • Rebecca Hazlewood
                Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher s (I know you are a teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some parent s concerns might be
                Message 7 of 17 , Jun 28, 2005
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                  Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are a teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils, where city councils might want to take positions on issues that are beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens agree and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions are a problem

                  However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant for a functional school district. The determinant is a good educational program focused on educating the students and well run, where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers, and other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on the quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.

                  Rebecca

                  Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                  Kevin,

                  When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right, you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                  some more at us in this forum.

                  The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction.

                  Mike McDonald
                  M4E



                  Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                  A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly
                  planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as
                  Salinas.

                  There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in WCCUSD without
                  being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the World.

                  I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is relevant to
                  the education problems of WCCUSD.

                  Kevin

                  >From: Charley Cowens
                  >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                  >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                  >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
                  >Opportunity W...
                  >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                  >
                  >Kevin-
                  >
                  >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
                  >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                  >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
                  >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                  >kind of progressive politics.
                  >
                  >Charley Cowens
                  >
                  >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                  > > Sarah,
                  > >
                  > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
                  > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
                  > > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
                  > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
                  > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are
                  >carrying.
                  > >
                  > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have
                  >any
                  > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation
                  >and
                  > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is
                  >nothing
                  > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for
                  >M4Ed
                  > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
                  > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement
                  >is
                  > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving
                  >Salinas
                  > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site
                  >are
                  > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                  > >
                  > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for
                  >M4Ed
                  > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture
                  >of
                  > > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is
                  >co-opted
                  > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact
                  >that
                  > > M4Ed could have.
                  > >
                  > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have
                  >and I
                  > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naiveté
                  >is.
                  > >
                  > > Kevin
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > >From: SarahCreeley@...
                  > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                  > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
                  > > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
                  > > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                  > > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
                  > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7
                  >pm
                  > > >Opportunity W...
                  > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                  > > >
                  > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                  > > >
                  > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
                  > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
                  > > >pictures of our
                  > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
                  > > >www.march4education.org.
                  > > >
                  > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut
                  >all
                  > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents
                  >started
                  > > >meeting
                  > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board
                  >meetings.
                  > > >We
                  > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
                  > > >Smith,
                  > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha
                  >Williamson,
                  > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                  > > >
                  > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were
                  >very
                  > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
                  > > >Community
                  > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
                  > > >
                  > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids
                  >and
                  > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It
                  >was
                  > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
                  > > >meeting
                  > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents
                  >came
                  > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                  > > >
                  > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply
                  >about
                  > > >the
                  > > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
                  > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for
                  >quality,
                  > > >equal
                  > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
                  > > >advocates.
                  > > >
                  > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
                  > > >because
                  > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
                  > > >these
                  > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep
                  >the
                  > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the
                  >teachers'
                  > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
                  > > >high school
                  > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
                  > > >Bissell.
                  > > >
                  > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person
                  >yet.
                  > > >I
                  > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
                  > > >
                  > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
                  > > >students,
                  > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                  >Superintendants
                  > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I
                  >feel
                  > > >we
                  > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
                  > > >partner,
                  > > >working with teachers.
                  > > >
                  > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who
                  >gives
                  > > >out
                  > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where
                  >teachers
                  > > >have
                  > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This
                  >is
                  > > >the
                  > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
                  > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
                  > > >needed. This
                  > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                  > > >
                  > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I
                  >want an
                  > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
                  > > >this is
                  > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your
                  >process
                  > > >and
                  > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                  > > >
                  > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are
                  >fun
                  > > >and
                  > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                  > > >
                  > > >LOVE,
                  > > >Sarah
                  > > >
                  > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                  > > >rah_tax@... writes:
                  > > >
                  > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
                  > > >page
                  > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what
                  >I
                  > > >have
                  > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell
                  >us
                  > > >who you
                  > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                  >governing
                  > > >board,
                  > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
                  > > >parent
                  > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any
                  >kind
                  > > >of
                  > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation
                  >of
                  > > >Teachers,
                  > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
                  > > >backers?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified
                  >with
                  > > >any
                  > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your
                  >interests
                  > > >as
                  > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
                  > > >district?
                  > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
                  > > >employee, etc,
                  > > > > etc.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Rebecca
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                  > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                  > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                  > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                  > > > >
                  > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be
                  >discussed:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                  > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                  > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
                  > > > > of the Board
                  > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
                  > > > > * the process
                  > > > > * selection criteria
                  > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
                  > > > >
                  > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
                  > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
                  > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                  > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                  > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 5. Good of the order
                  > > > >
                  > > > > At a future meeting:
                  > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                  > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to
                  >"guide"
                  > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
                  > > >district,
                  > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Hope to see you there!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Hulda
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
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                  > > >
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                • Michael McDonald
                  Rebecca, I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is when
                  Message 8 of 17 , Jun 28, 2005
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                    Rebecca,

                    I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are doing is it wrong is dysfunctional.

                    It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about groups or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing more than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under the guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct. While as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality public education for children in WCCUSD and California.

                    I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so many people who care so passionately about education in West County cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for some people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe it is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on this list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to worry about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society by how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together and demand a quality education for our neediest children that this would be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                    students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.

                    Mike


                    Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                    Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are a teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils, where city councils might want to take positions on issues that are beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens agree and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions are a problem

                    However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant for a functional school district. The determinant is a good educational program focused on educating the students and well run, where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers, and other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on the quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.

                    Rebecca

                    Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                    Kevin,

                    When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right, you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                    some more at us in this forum.

                    The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction.

                    Mike McDonald
                    M4E



                    Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                    A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly
                    planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as
                    Salinas.

                    There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in WCCUSD without
                    being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the World.

                    I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is relevant to
                    the education problems of WCCUSD.

                    Kevin

                    >From: Charley Cowens
                    >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                    >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                    >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
                    >Opportunity W...
                    >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                    >
                    >Kevin-
                    >
                    >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
                    >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                    >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
                    >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                    >kind of progressive politics.
                    >
                    >Charley Cowens
                    >
                    >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                    > > Sarah,
                    > >
                    > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
                    > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
                    > > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
                    > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
                    > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are
                    >carrying.
                    > >
                    > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have
                    >any
                    > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation
                    >and
                    > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is
                    >nothing
                    > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for
                    >M4Ed
                    > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
                    > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement
                    >is
                    > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving
                    >Salinas
                    > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site
                    >are
                    > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                    > >
                    > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for
                    >M4Ed
                    > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture
                    >of
                    > > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is
                    >co-opted
                    > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact
                    >that
                    > > M4Ed could have.
                    > >
                    > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have
                    >and I
                    > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naiveté
                    >is.
                    > >
                    > > Kevin
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > >From: SarahCreeley@...
                    > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                    > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
                    > > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
                    > > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                    > > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
                    > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7
                    >pm
                    > > >Opportunity W...
                    > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                    > > >
                    > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                    > > >
                    > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
                    > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
                    > > >pictures of our
                    > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
                    > > >www.march4education.org.
                    > > >
                    > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut
                    >all
                    > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents
                    >started
                    > > >meeting
                    > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board
                    >meetings.
                    > > >We
                    > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
                    > > >Smith,
                    > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha
                    >Williamson,
                    > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                    > > >
                    > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were
                    >very
                    > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
                    > > >Community
                    > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
                    > > >
                    > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids
                    >and
                    > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It
                    >was
                    > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
                    > > >meeting
                    > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents
                    >came
                    > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                    > > >
                    > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply
                    >about
                    > > >the
                    > > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
                    > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for
                    >quality,
                    > > >equal
                    > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
                    > > >advocates.
                    > > >
                    > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
                    > > >because
                    > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
                    > > >these
                    > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep
                    >the
                    > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the
                    >teachers'
                    > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
                    > > >high school
                    > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
                    > > >Bissell.
                    > > >
                    > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person
                    >yet.
                    > > >I
                    > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
                    > > >
                    > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
                    > > >students,
                    > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                    >Superintendants
                    > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I
                    >feel
                    > > >we
                    > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
                    > > >partner,
                    > > >working with teachers.
                    > > >
                    > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who
                    >gives
                    > > >out
                    > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where
                    >teachers
                    > > >have
                    > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This
                    >is
                    > > >the
                    > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
                    > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
                    > > >needed. This
                    > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                    > > >
                    > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I
                    >want an
                    > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
                    > > >this is
                    > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your
                    >process
                    > > >and
                    > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                    > > >
                    > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are
                    >fun
                    > > >and
                    > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                    > > >
                    > > >LOVE,
                    > > >Sarah
                    > > >
                    > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                    > > >rah_tax@... writes:
                    > > >
                    > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
                    > > >page
                    > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what
                    >I
                    > > >have
                    > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell
                    >us
                    > > >who you
                    > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                    >governing
                    > > >board,
                    > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
                    > > >parent
                    > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any
                    >kind
                    > > >of
                    > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation
                    >of
                    > > >Teachers,
                    > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
                    > > >backers?
                    > > > >
                    > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified
                    >with
                    > > >any
                    > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your
                    >interests
                    > > >as
                    > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
                    > > >district?
                    > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
                    > > >employee, etc,
                    > > > > etc.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Rebecca
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                    > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                    > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                    > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                    > > > >
                    > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be
                    >discussed:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                    > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                    > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
                    > > > > of the Board
                    > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
                    > > > > * the process
                    > > > > * selection criteria
                    > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
                    > > > >
                    > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
                    > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
                    > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                    > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                    > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 5. Good of the order
                    > > > >
                    > > > > At a future meeting:
                    > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                    > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to
                    >"guide"
                    > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
                    > > >district,
                    > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Hope to see you there!
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Hulda
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
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                  • Rebecca Hazlewood
                    Michael, I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of its citizens as
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                      Michael,

                      I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of its citizens as condescending at best.The neediest are not necessarily in the flatland schools.

                      I think it might be good for you to teach up at a hill school. In fact, if there is one thing that I could suggest to you it would be to try and encourage teachers to mix it up. Teach some years at a hill school and teach some years at a flatland school. That would be a good positive educational experience for all of you. But, you will need to speak your teacher's union about that. Sorry to say, but Kevin has no influence on that issue.

                      Rebecca

                      Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                      Rebecca,

                      I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are doing is it wrong is dysfunctional.

                      It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about groups or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing more than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under the guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct. While as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality public education for children in WCCUSD and California.

                      I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so many people who care so passionately about education in West County cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for some people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe it is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on this list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to worry about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society by how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together and demand a quality education for our neediest children that this would be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                      students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.

                      Mike


                      Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                      Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are a teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils, where city councils might want to take positions on issues that are beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens agree and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions are a problem

                      However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant for a functional school district. The determinant is a good educational program focused on educating the students and well run, where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers, and other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on the quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.

                      Rebecca

                      Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                      Kevin,

                      When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right, you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                      some more at us in this forum.

                      The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction.

                      Mike McDonald
                      M4E



                      Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                      A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly
                      planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as
                      Salinas.

                      There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in WCCUSD without
                      being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the World.

                      I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is relevant to
                      the education problems of WCCUSD.

                      Kevin

                      >From: Charley Cowens
                      >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                      >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                      >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
                      >Opportunity W...
                      >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                      >
                      >Kevin-
                      >
                      >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
                      >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                      >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
                      >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                      >kind of progressive politics.
                      >
                      >Charley Cowens
                      >
                      >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                      > > Sarah,
                      > >
                      > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
                      > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
                      > > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
                      > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
                      > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are
                      >carrying.
                      > >
                      > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have
                      >any
                      > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation
                      >and
                      > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is
                      >nothing
                      > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for
                      >M4Ed
                      > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
                      > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement
                      >is
                      > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving
                      >Salinas
                      > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site
                      >are
                      > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                      > >
                      > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for
                      >M4Ed
                      > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture
                      >of
                      > > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is
                      >co-opted
                      > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact
                      >that
                      > > M4Ed could have.
                      > >
                      > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have
                      >and I
                      > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naiveté
                      >is.
                      > >
                      > > Kevin
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > >From: SarahCreeley@...
                      > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                      > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
                      > > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
                      > > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                      > > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
                      > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7
                      >pm
                      > > >Opportunity W...
                      > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                      > > >
                      > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                      > > >
                      > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
                      > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
                      > > >pictures of our
                      > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
                      > > >www.march4education.org.
                      > > >
                      > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut
                      >all
                      > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents
                      >started
                      > > >meeting
                      > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board
                      >meetings.
                      > > >We
                      > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
                      > > >Smith,
                      > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha
                      >Williamson,
                      > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                      > > >
                      > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were
                      >very
                      > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
                      > > >Community
                      > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
                      > > >
                      > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids
                      >and
                      > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It
                      >was
                      > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
                      > > >meeting
                      > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents
                      >came
                      > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                      > > >
                      > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply
                      >about
                      > > >the
                      > > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
                      > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for
                      >quality,
                      > > >equal
                      > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
                      > > >advocates.
                      > > >
                      > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
                      > > >because
                      > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
                      > > >these
                      > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep
                      >the
                      > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the
                      >teachers'
                      > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
                      > > >high school
                      > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
                      > > >Bissell.
                      > > >
                      > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person
                      >yet.
                      > > >I
                      > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
                      > > >
                      > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
                      > > >students,
                      > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                      >Superintendants
                      > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I
                      >feel
                      > > >we
                      > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
                      > > >partner,
                      > > >working with teachers.
                      > > >
                      > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who
                      >gives
                      > > >out
                      > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where
                      >teachers
                      > > >have
                      > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This
                      >is
                      > > >the
                      > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
                      > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
                      > > >needed. This
                      > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                      > > >
                      > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I
                      >want an
                      > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
                      > > >this is
                      > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your
                      >process
                      > > >and
                      > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                      > > >
                      > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are
                      >fun
                      > > >and
                      > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                      > > >
                      > > >LOVE,
                      > > >Sarah
                      > > >
                      > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                      > > >rah_tax@... writes:
                      > > >
                      > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
                      > > >page
                      > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what
                      >I
                      > > >have
                      > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell
                      >us
                      > > >who you
                      > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                      >governing
                      > > >board,
                      > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
                      > > >parent
                      > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any
                      >kind
                      > > >of
                      > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation
                      >of
                      > > >Teachers,
                      > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
                      > > >backers?
                      > > > >
                      > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified
                      >with
                      > > >any
                      > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your
                      >interests
                      > > >as
                      > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
                      > > >district?
                      > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
                      > > >employee, etc,
                      > > > > etc.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Rebecca
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                      > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                      > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                      > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                      > > > >
                      > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be
                      >discussed:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                      > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                      > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
                      > > > > of the Board
                      > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
                      > > > > * the process
                      > > > > * selection criteria
                      > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
                      > > > >
                      > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
                      > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
                      > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                      > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                      > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 5. Good of the order
                      > > > >
                      > > > > At a future meeting:
                      > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                      > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to
                      >"guide"
                      > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
                      > > >district,
                      > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hope to see you there!
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hulda
                      > > > >
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                    • Michael McDonald
                      Rebecca, I am sorry that you found what I said to be condescending. I think that the primary focus of educational advocacy should be to bring a quality
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                        Rebecca,

                        I am sorry that you found what I said to be condescending. I think that the primary focus of educational advocacy should be to bring a quality education to those who do not have it, starting with those students who are farthest from it. I think that we have the necessary passion and commitment in West County to make this happen if we can come together. Is that condescending?

                        Mike

                        Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                        Michael,

                        I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of its citizens as condescending at best.The neediest are not necessarily in the flatland schools.

                        I think it might be good for you to teach up at a hill school. In fact, if there is one thing that I could suggest to you it would be to try and encourage teachers to mix it up. Teach some years at a hill school and teach some years at a flatland school. That would be a good positive educational experience for all of you. But, you will need to speak your teacher's union about that. Sorry to say, but Kevin has no influence on that issue.

                        Rebecca

                        Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                        Rebecca,

                        I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are doing is it wrong is dysfunctional.

                        It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about groups or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing more than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under the guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct. While as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality public education for children in WCCUSD and California.

                        I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so many people who care so passionately about education in West County cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for some people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe it is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on this list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to worry about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society by how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together and demand a quality education for our neediest children that this would be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                        students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.

                        Mike


                        Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                        Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are a teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils, where city councils might want to take positions on issues that are beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens agree and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions are a problem

                        However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant for a functional school district. The determinant is a good educational program focused on educating the students and well run, where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers, and other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on the quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.

                        Rebecca

                        Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                        Kevin,

                        When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right, you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                        some more at us in this forum.

                        The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction.

                        Mike McDonald
                        M4E



                        Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                        A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly
                        planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as
                        Salinas.

                        There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in WCCUSD without
                        being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the World.

                        I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is relevant to
                        the education problems of WCCUSD.

                        Kevin

                        >From: Charley Cowens
                        >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                        >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                        >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
                        >Opportunity W...
                        >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                        >
                        >Kevin-
                        >
                        >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
                        >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                        >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
                        >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                        >kind of progressive politics.
                        >
                        >Charley Cowens
                        >
                        >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                        > > Sarah,
                        > >
                        > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
                        > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
                        > > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
                        > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
                        > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are
                        >carrying.
                        > >
                        > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have
                        >any
                        > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation
                        >and
                        > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is
                        >nothing
                        > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for
                        >M4Ed
                        > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
                        > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement
                        >is
                        > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving
                        >Salinas
                        > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site
                        >are
                        > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                        > >
                        > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for
                        >M4Ed
                        > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture
                        >of
                        > > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is
                        >co-opted
                        > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact
                        >that
                        > > M4Ed could have.
                        > >
                        > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have
                        >and I
                        > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naiveté
                        >is.
                        > >
                        > > Kevin
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > >From: SarahCreeley@...
                        > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                        > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
                        > > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
                        > > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                        > > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
                        > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7
                        >pm
                        > > >Opportunity W...
                        > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                        > > >
                        > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                        > > >
                        > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
                        > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
                        > > >pictures of our
                        > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
                        > > >www.march4education.org.
                        > > >
                        > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut
                        >all
                        > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents
                        >started
                        > > >meeting
                        > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board
                        >meetings.
                        > > >We
                        > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
                        > > >Smith,
                        > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha
                        >Williamson,
                        > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                        > > >
                        > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were
                        >very
                        > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
                        > > >Community
                        > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
                        > > >
                        > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids
                        >and
                        > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It
                        >was
                        > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
                        > > >meeting
                        > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents
                        >came
                        > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                        > > >
                        > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply
                        >about
                        > > >the
                        > > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
                        > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for
                        >quality,
                        > > >equal
                        > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
                        > > >advocates.
                        > > >
                        > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
                        > > >because
                        > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
                        > > >these
                        > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep
                        >the
                        > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the
                        >teachers'
                        > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
                        > > >high school
                        > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
                        > > >Bissell.
                        > > >
                        > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person
                        >yet.
                        > > >I
                        > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
                        > > >
                        > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
                        > > >students,
                        > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                        >Superintendants
                        > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I
                        >feel
                        > > >we
                        > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
                        > > >partner,
                        > > >working with teachers.
                        > > >
                        > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who
                        >gives
                        > > >out
                        > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where
                        >teachers
                        > > >have
                        > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This
                        >is
                        > > >the
                        > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
                        > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
                        > > >needed. This
                        > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                        > > >
                        > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I
                        >want an
                        > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
                        > > >this is
                        > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your
                        >process
                        > > >and
                        > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                        > > >
                        > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are
                        >fun
                        > > >and
                        > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                        > > >
                        > > >LOVE,
                        > > >Sarah
                        > > >
                        > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                        > > >rah_tax@... writes:
                        > > >
                        > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
                        > > >page
                        > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what
                        >I
                        > > >have
                        > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell
                        >us
                        > > >who you
                        > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                        >governing
                        > > >board,
                        > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
                        > > >parent
                        > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any
                        >kind
                        > > >of
                        > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation
                        >of
                        > > >Teachers,
                        > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
                        > > >backers?
                        > > > >
                        > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified
                        >with
                        > > >any
                        > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your
                        >interests
                        > > >as
                        > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
                        > > >district?
                        > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
                        > > >employee, etc,
                        > > > > etc.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Rebecca
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                        > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                        > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                        > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                        > > > >
                        > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be
                        >discussed:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                        > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                        > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
                        > > > > of the Board
                        > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
                        > > > > * the process
                        > > > > * selection criteria
                        > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
                        > > > >
                        > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
                        > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
                        > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                        > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                        > > > >
                        > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                        > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                        > > > >
                        > > > > 5. Good of the order
                        > > > >
                        > > > > At a future meeting:
                        > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                        > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to
                        >"guide"
                        > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
                        > > >district,
                        > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Hope to see you there!
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Hulda
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >





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                      • Rebecca Hazlewood
                        Michael, great dialogue! The purpose of education is to educate not to engage in educational advocacy. Educational advocacy is the second tier of education,
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                          Michael, great dialogue! The purpose of education is to educate not to engage in educational advocacy. Educational advocacy is the second tier of education, once removed. You think you have stumbled onto some kind of previously undiscovered educational twilight zone for want of a better description. You have not. What you are into is the zone of the junior teacher. The school that you are into is not the furthest from quality education, but the closest to it. For the last 30 years this state has invested its greatest educational capital into those students who as you put it are farthest from it. The results as you see are dismal and you want to blame someone, so you pick Kevin.

                          I maintain until we return to the basics and that includes electives for remedial students, as well as advanced courses for those students who fulfill the requirements; and updated vocational classes for those students who are oriented in that direction, we will continue in this "dysfunctional system." The teachers union is one of the major problems regarding assignment of teachers. So if you want to see a more functional system advocate to the UTR that teacher assignments are not just based on seniority. Also, administrative jingoism and polictical correctness has overruled common sense when it comes to education.

                          Rebecca

                          Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                          Rebecca,

                          I am sorry that you found what I said to be condescending. I think that the primary focus of educational advocacy should be to bring a quality education to those who do not have it, starting with those students who are farthest from it. I think that we have the necessary passion and commitment in West County to make this happen if we can come together. Is that condescending?

                          Mike

                          Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                          Michael,

                          I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of its citizens as condescending at best.The neediest are not necessarily in the flatland schools.

                          I think it might be good for you to teach up at a hill school. In fact, if there is one thing that I could suggest to you it would be to try and encourage teachers to mix it up. Teach some years at a hill school and teach some years at a flatland school. That would be a good positive educational experience for all of you. But, you will need to speak your teacher's union about that. Sorry to say, but Kevin has no influence on that issue.

                          Rebecca

                          Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                          Rebecca,

                          I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are doing is it wrong is dysfunctional.

                          It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about groups or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing more than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under the guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct. While as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality public education for children in WCCUSD and California.

                          I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so many people who care so passionately about education in West County cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for some people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe it is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on this list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to worry about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society by how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together and demand a quality education for our neediest children that this would be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                          students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.

                          Mike


                          Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                          Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are a teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils, where city councils might want to take positions on issues that are beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens agree and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions are a problem

                          However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant for a functional school district. The determinant is a good educational program focused on educating the students and well run, where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers, and other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on the quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.

                          Rebecca

                          Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                          Kevin,

                          When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right, you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                          some more at us in this forum.

                          The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction.

                          Mike McDonald
                          M4E



                          Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                          A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly
                          planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as
                          Salinas.

                          There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in WCCUSD without
                          being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the World.

                          I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is relevant to
                          the education problems of WCCUSD.

                          Kevin

                          >From: Charley Cowens
                          >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                          >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                          >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
                          >Opportunity W...
                          >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                          >
                          >Kevin-
                          >
                          >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
                          >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                          >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
                          >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                          >kind of progressive politics.
                          >
                          >Charley Cowens
                          >
                          >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                          > > Sarah,
                          > >
                          > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
                          > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
                          > > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
                          > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
                          > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are
                          >carrying.
                          > >
                          > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have
                          >any
                          > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation
                          >and
                          > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is
                          >nothing
                          > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for
                          >M4Ed
                          > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
                          > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement
                          >is
                          > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving
                          >Salinas
                          > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site
                          >are
                          > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                          > >
                          > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for
                          >M4Ed
                          > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture
                          >of
                          > > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is
                          >co-opted
                          > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact
                          >that
                          > > M4Ed could have.
                          > >
                          > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have
                          >and I
                          > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naiveté
                          >is.
                          > >
                          > > Kevin
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > >From: SarahCreeley@...
                          > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                          > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
                          > > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
                          > > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                          > > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
                          > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7
                          >pm
                          > > >Opportunity W...
                          > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                          > > >
                          > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                          > > >
                          > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
                          > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
                          > > >pictures of our
                          > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
                          > > >www.march4education.org.
                          > > >
                          > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut
                          >all
                          > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents
                          >started
                          > > >meeting
                          > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board
                          >meetings.
                          > > >We
                          > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
                          > > >Smith,
                          > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha
                          >Williamson,
                          > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                          > > >
                          > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were
                          >very
                          > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
                          > > >Community
                          > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
                          > > >
                          > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids
                          >and
                          > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It
                          >was
                          > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
                          > > >meeting
                          > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents
                          >came
                          > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                          > > >
                          > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply
                          >about
                          > > >the
                          > > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
                          > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for
                          >quality,
                          > > >equal
                          > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
                          > > >advocates.
                          > > >
                          > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
                          > > >because
                          > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
                          > > >these
                          > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep
                          >the
                          > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the
                          >teachers'
                          > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
                          > > >high school
                          > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
                          > > >Bissell.
                          > > >
                          > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person
                          >yet.
                          > > >I
                          > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
                          > > >
                          > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
                          > > >students,
                          > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                          >Superintendants
                          > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I
                          >feel
                          > > >we
                          > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
                          > > >partner,
                          > > >working with teachers.
                          > > >
                          > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who
                          >gives
                          > > >out
                          > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where
                          >teachers
                          > > >have
                          > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This
                          >is
                          > > >the
                          > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
                          > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
                          > > >needed. This
                          > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                          > > >
                          > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I
                          >want an
                          > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
                          > > >this is
                          > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your
                          >process
                          > > >and
                          > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                          > > >
                          > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are
                          >fun
                          > > >and
                          > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                          > > >
                          > > >LOVE,
                          > > >Sarah
                          > > >
                          > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                          > > >rah_tax@... writes:
                          > > >
                          > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
                          > > >page
                          > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what
                          >I
                          > > >have
                          > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell
                          >us
                          > > >who you
                          > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                          >governing
                          > > >board,
                          > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
                          > > >parent
                          > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any
                          >kind
                          > > >of
                          > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation
                          >of
                          > > >Teachers,
                          > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
                          > > >backers?
                          > > > >
                          > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified
                          >with
                          > > >any
                          > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your
                          >interests
                          > > >as
                          > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
                          > > >district?
                          > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
                          > > >employee, etc,
                          > > > > etc.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Rebecca
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                          > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                          > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                          > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                          > > > >
                          > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be
                          >discussed:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                          > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                          > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
                          > > > > of the Board
                          > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
                          > > > > * the process
                          > > > > * selection criteria
                          > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
                          > > > >
                          > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
                          > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
                          > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                          > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                          > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 5. Good of the order
                          > > > >
                          > > > > At a future meeting:
                          > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                          > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to
                          >"guide"
                          > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
                          > > >district,
                          > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Hope to see you there!
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Hulda
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > >
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                        • Michael McDonald
                          Rebecca, I do not blame Kevin. I did not like the way he talked about M4E and felt that he was making judgments about it without being informed. How many years
                          Message 12 of 17 , Jun 28, 2005
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                            Rebecca,

                            I do not blame Kevin. I did not like the way he talked about M4E and felt that he was making judgments about it without being informed. How many years do I have to teach before I am no longer a junior teacher? I just finished my 8th. I do not think UTR's stance on seniority is a major player in our dysfunctional education system. In my case, I choose to stay at Downer, which I hope, for all our sakes, is not the closest to a quality education. I agree with you, however, about the dismal results in what the state has tried to do at schools like Downer. I also agree with your thoughts on returning to the basics.

                            Mike

                            Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                            Michael, great dialogue! The purpose of education is to educate not to engage in educational advocacy. Educational advocacy is the second tier of education, once removed. You think you have stumbled onto some kind of previously undiscovered educational twilight zone for want of a better description. You have not. What you are into is the zone of the junior teacher. The school that you are into is not the furthest from quality education, but the closest to it. For the last 30 years this state has invested its greatest educational capital into those students who as you put it are farthest from it. The results as you see are dismal and you want to blame someone, so you pick Kevin.

                            I maintain until we return to the basics and that includes electives for remedial students, as well as advanced courses for those students who fulfill the requirements; and updated vocational classes for those students who are oriented in that direction, we will continue in this "dysfunctional system." The teachers union is one of the major problems regarding assignment of teachers. So if you want to see a more functional system advocate to the UTR that teacher assignments are not just based on seniority. Also, administrative jingoism and polictical correctness has overruled common sense when it comes to education.

                            Rebecca

                            Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                            Rebecca,

                            I am sorry that you found what I said to be condescending. I think that the primary focus of educational advocacy should be to bring a quality education to those who do not have it, starting with those students who are farthest from it. I think that we have the necessary passion and commitment in West County to make this happen if we can come together. Is that condescending?

                            Mike

                            Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                            Michael,

                            I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of its citizens as condescending at best.The neediest are not necessarily in the flatland schools.

                            I think it might be good for you to teach up at a hill school. In fact, if there is one thing that I could suggest to you it would be to try and encourage teachers to mix it up. Teach some years at a hill school and teach some years at a flatland school. That would be a good positive educational experience for all of you. But, you will need to speak your teacher's union about that. Sorry to say, but Kevin has no influence on that issue.

                            Rebecca

                            Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                            Rebecca,

                            I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are doing is it wrong is dysfunctional.

                            It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about groups or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing more than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under the guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct. While as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality public education for children in WCCUSD and California.

                            I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so many people who care so passionately about education in West County cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for some people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe it is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on this list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to worry about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society by how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together and demand a quality education for our neediest children that this would be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                            students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.

                            Mike


                            Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                            Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are a teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils, where city councils might want to take positions on issues that are beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens agree and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions are a problem

                            However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant for a functional school district. The determinant is a good educational program focused on educating the students and well run, where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers, and other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on the quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.

                            Rebecca

                            Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                            Kevin,

                            When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right, you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                            some more at us in this forum.

                            The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction.

                            Mike McDonald
                            M4E



                            Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                            A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly
                            planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as
                            Salinas.

                            There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in WCCUSD without
                            being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the World.

                            I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is relevant to
                            the education problems of WCCUSD.

                            Kevin

                            >From: Charley Cowens
                            >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                            >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                            >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
                            >Opportunity W...
                            >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                            >
                            >Kevin-
                            >
                            >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
                            >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                            >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
                            >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                            >kind of progressive politics.
                            >
                            >Charley Cowens
                            >
                            >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                            > > Sarah,
                            > >
                            > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
                            > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
                            > > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
                            > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
                            > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are
                            >carrying.
                            > >
                            > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have
                            >any
                            > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation
                            >and
                            > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is
                            >nothing
                            > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for
                            >M4Ed
                            > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
                            > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement
                            >is
                            > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving
                            >Salinas
                            > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site
                            >are
                            > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                            > >
                            > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for
                            >M4Ed
                            > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture
                            >of
                            > > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is
                            >co-opted
                            > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact
                            >that
                            > > M4Ed could have.
                            > >
                            > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have
                            >and I
                            > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naiveté
                            >is.
                            > >
                            > > Kevin
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > >From: SarahCreeley@...
                            > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                            > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
                            > > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
                            > > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                            > > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
                            > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7
                            >pm
                            > > >Opportunity W...
                            > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                            > > >
                            > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                            > > >
                            > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
                            > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
                            > > >pictures of our
                            > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
                            > > >www.march4education.org.
                            > > >
                            > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut
                            >all
                            > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents
                            >started
                            > > >meeting
                            > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board
                            >meetings.
                            > > >We
                            > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
                            > > >Smith,
                            > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha
                            >Williamson,
                            > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                            > > >
                            > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were
                            >very
                            > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
                            > > >Community
                            > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
                            > > >
                            > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids
                            >and
                            > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It
                            >was
                            > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
                            > > >meeting
                            > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents
                            >came
                            > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                            > > >
                            > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply
                            >about
                            > > >the
                            > > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
                            > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for
                            >quality,
                            > > >equal
                            > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
                            > > >advocates.
                            > > >
                            > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
                            > > >because
                            > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
                            > > >these
                            > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep
                            >the
                            > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the
                            >teachers'
                            > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
                            > > >high school
                            > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
                            > > >Bissell.
                            > > >
                            > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person
                            >yet.
                            > > >I
                            > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
                            > > >
                            > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
                            > > >students,
                            > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                            >Superintendants
                            > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I
                            >feel
                            > > >we
                            > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
                            > > >partner,
                            > > >working with teachers.
                            > > >
                            > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who
                            >gives
                            > > >out
                            > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where
                            >teachers
                            > > >have
                            > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This
                            >is
                            > > >the
                            > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
                            > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
                            > > >needed. This
                            > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                            > > >
                            > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I
                            >want an
                            > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
                            > > >this is
                            > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your
                            >process
                            > > >and
                            > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                            > > >
                            > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are
                            >fun
                            > > >and
                            > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                            > > >
                            > > >LOVE,
                            > > >Sarah
                            > > >
                            > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                            > > >rah_tax@... writes:
                            > > >
                            > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
                            > > >page
                            > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what
                            >I
                            > > >have
                            > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell
                            >us
                            > > >who you
                            > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                            >governing
                            > > >board,
                            > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
                            > > >parent
                            > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any
                            >kind
                            > > >of
                            > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation
                            >of
                            > > >Teachers,
                            > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
                            > > >backers?
                            > > > >
                            > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified
                            >with
                            > > >any
                            > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your
                            >interests
                            > > >as
                            > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
                            > > >district?
                            > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
                            > > >employee, etc,
                            > > > > etc.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Rebecca
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                            > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                            > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                            > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                            > > > >
                            > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be
                            >discussed:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                            > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                            > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
                            > > > > of the Board
                            > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
                            > > > > * the process
                            > > > > * selection criteria
                            > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
                            > > > >
                            > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
                            > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
                            > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                            > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                            > > > >
                            > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                            > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
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                            > > > > 5. Good of the order
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                            > > > > At a future meeting:
                            > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                            > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to
                            >"guide"
                            > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
                            > > >district,
                            > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
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                            > > > > Hope to see you there!
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                          • Rebecca Hazlewood
                            Michael, we have some areas of agreement and that is a start. I am sorry if I discounted your experience. Eight years is a commitment! For an inspired
                            Message 13 of 17 , Jun 29, 2005
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                              Michael, we have some areas of agreement and that is a start. I am sorry if I discounted your experience. Eight years is a commitment! For an inspired educator, who returned to a flatland school, in spite of unbelievable success and admiration at a so-called hill school I would like to refer you to Marsha Hataye. She is now vice-principal at Richmond High School and one of the best administrators I have encountered in my 20 years as a parent in the RUSD. She has been at hill schools and flatland schools. I think she is an expert in both. I highly recommend that you get in touch with her if you haven't already done so.

                              Rebecca

                              Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                              Rebecca,

                              I do not blame Kevin. I did not like the way he talked about M4E and felt that he was making judgments about it without being informed. How many years do I have to teach before I am no longer a junior teacher? I just finished my 8th. I do not think UTR's stance on seniority is a major player in our dysfunctional education system. In my case, I choose to stay at Downer, which I hope, for all our sakes, is not the closest to a quality education. I agree with you, however, about the dismal results in what the state has tried to do at schools like Downer. I also agree with your thoughts on returning to the basics.

                              Mike

                              Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                              Michael, great dialogue! The purpose of education is to educate not to engage in educational advocacy. Educational advocacy is the second tier of education, once removed. You think you have stumbled onto some kind of previously undiscovered educational twilight zone for want of a better description. You have not. What you are into is the zone of the junior teacher. The school that you are into is not the furthest from quality education, but the closest to it. For the last 30 years this state has invested its greatest educational capital into those students who as you put it are farthest from it. The results as you see are dismal and you want to blame someone, so you pick Kevin.

                              I maintain until we return to the basics and that includes electives for remedial students, as well as advanced courses for those students who fulfill the requirements; and updated vocational classes for those students who are oriented in that direction, we will continue in this "dysfunctional system." The teachers union is one of the major problems regarding assignment of teachers. So if you want to see a more functional system advocate to the UTR that teacher assignments are not just based on seniority. Also, administrative jingoism and polictical correctness has overruled common sense when it comes to education.

                              Rebecca

                              Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                              Rebecca,

                              I am sorry that you found what I said to be condescending. I think that the primary focus of educational advocacy should be to bring a quality education to those who do not have it, starting with those students who are farthest from it. I think that we have the necessary passion and commitment in West County to make this happen if we can come together. Is that condescending?

                              Mike

                              Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                              Michael,

                              I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of its citizens as condescending at best.The neediest are not necessarily in the flatland schools.

                              I think it might be good for you to teach up at a hill school. In fact, if there is one thing that I could suggest to you it would be to try and encourage teachers to mix it up. Teach some years at a hill school and teach some years at a flatland school. That would be a good positive educational experience for all of you. But, you will need to speak your teacher's union about that. Sorry to say, but Kevin has no influence on that issue.

                              Rebecca

                              Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                              Rebecca,

                              I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are doing is it wrong is dysfunctional.

                              It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about groups or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing more than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under the guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct. While as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality public education for children in WCCUSD and California.

                              I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so many people who care so passionately about education in West County cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for some people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe it is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on this list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to worry about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society by how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together and demand a quality education for our neediest children that this would be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                              students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.

                              Mike


                              Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@...> wrote:
                              Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are a teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils, where city councils might want to take positions on issues that are beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens agree and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions are a problem

                              However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant for a functional school district. The determinant is a good educational program focused on educating the students and well run, where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers, and other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on the quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.

                              Rebecca

                              Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@...> wrote:
                              Kevin,

                              When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right, you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                              some more at us in this forum.

                              The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues the cycle of dysfunction.

                              Mike McDonald
                              M4E



                              Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@...> wrote:
                              A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS firmly
                              planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far away as
                              Salinas.

                              There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in WCCUSD without
                              being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the World.

                              I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is relevant to
                              the education problems of WCCUSD.

                              Kevin

                              >From: Charley Cowens
                              >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                              >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                              >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7 pm
                              >Opportunity W...
                              >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                              >
                              >Kevin-
                              >
                              >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't see how
                              >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                              >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big issue
                              >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                              >kind of progressive politics.
                              >
                              >Charley Cowens
                              >
                              >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                              > > Sarah,
                              > >
                              > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed initial
                              > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many start up
                              > > organizations over the past years in this district that started out well
                              > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the intent has
                              > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds are
                              >carrying.
                              > >
                              > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I do not have
                              >any
                              > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your recommendation
                              >and
                              > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting. There is
                              >nothing
                              > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and location for
                              >M4Ed
                              > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance for
                              > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission Statement
                              >is
                              > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about saving
                              >Salinas
                              > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed web site
                              >are
                              > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                              > >
                              > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the focus for
                              >M4Ed
                              > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global picture
                              >of
                              > > education in our state, but when the initial organization, M4Ed, is
                              >co-opted
                              > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the impact
                              >that
                              > > M4Ed could have.
                              > >
                              > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside, I have
                              >and I
                              > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my naiveté
                              >is.
                              > >
                              > > Kevin
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > >From: SarahCreeley@...
                              > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                              > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@...,
                              > > >dbrown247@..., kfenton@...,
                              > > >karenepfeifer@..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                              > > >gailmendes@..., glen@...
                              > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27 5-7
                              >pm
                              > > >Opportunity W...
                              > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                              > > >
                              > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                              > > >
                              > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents, Teachers,
                              > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission Statement,
                              > > >pictures of our
                              > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more info at
                              > > >www.march4education.org.
                              > > >
                              > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School District cut
                              >all
                              > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of parents
                              >started
                              > > >meeting
                              > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School Board
                              >meetings.
                              > > >We
                              > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy Travlos, Scottie
                              > > >Smith,
                              > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell, Marsha
                              >Williamson,
                              > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                              > > >
                              > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer School were
                              >very
                              > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The Downer
                              > > >Community
                              > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at Downer School.
                              > > >
                              > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs for our kids
                              >and
                              > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these programs. It
                              >was
                              > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the West County
                              > > >meeting
                              > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County Parents
                              >came
                              > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                              > > >
                              > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care deeply
                              >about
                              > > >the
                              > > >state of public education. Members of our group have repeatedly gone to
                              > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates for
                              >quality,
                              > > >equal
                              > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as community
                              > > >advocates.
                              > > >
                              > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been troubling
                              > > >because
                              > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the same time
                              > > >these
                              > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept saying to keep
                              >the
                              > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified the
                              >teachers'
                              > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size reduction and
                              > > >high school
                              > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new administrators for
                              > > >Bissell.
                              > > >
                              > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an interim person
                              >yet.
                              > > >I
                              > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is mine:
                              > > >
                              > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who understands that
                              > > >students,
                              > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                              >Superintendants
                              > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of communication. I
                              >feel
                              > > >we
                              > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it serves, as a
                              > > >partner,
                              > > >working with teachers.
                              > > >
                              > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech person who
                              >gives
                              > > >out
                              > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress, where
                              >teachers
                              > > >have
                              > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every student! This
                              >is
                              > > >the
                              > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask questions about
                              > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and change when
                              > > >needed. This
                              > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                              > > >
                              > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague; placating. I
                              >want an
                              > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration. I believe
                              > > >this is
                              > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what your
                              >process
                              > > >and
                              > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                              > > >
                              > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings. They are
                              >fun
                              > > >and
                              > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                              > > >
                              > > >LOVE,
                              > > >Sarah
                              > > >
                              > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                              > > >rah_tax@... writes:
                              > > >
                              > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be on the same
                              > > >page
                              > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time from what
                              >I
                              > > >have
                              > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you please tell
                              >us
                              > > >who you
                              > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                              >governing
                              > > >board,
                              > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest employee based,
                              > > >parent
                              > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you have any
                              >kind
                              > > >of
                              > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond Federation
                              >of
                              > > >Teachers,
                              > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you list your
                              > > >backers?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent unidentified
                              >with
                              > > >any
                              > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify your
                              >interests
                              > > >as
                              > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in this school
                              > > >district?
                              > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district, parent,
                              > > >employee, etc,
                              > > > > etc.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Rebecca
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                              > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                              > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                              > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                              > > > >
                              > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will be
                              >discussed:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                              > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                              > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed session
                              > > > > of the Board
                              > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency of
                              > > > > * the process
                              > > > > * selection criteria
                              > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent" superintendent
                              > > > >
                              > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection of
                              > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be public -
                              > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual candidates.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                              > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                              > > > >
                              > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                              > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                              > > > >
                              > > > > 5. Good of the order
                              > > > >
                              > > > > At a future meeting:
                              > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                              > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not here to
                              >"guide"
                              > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program Improvement
                              > > >district,
                              > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Hope to see you there!
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Hulda
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              > >
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                              > >
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                            • Elizabeth Jaeger
                              I think that a missing perspective here is that each of us has just so much energy. I want the very best for all students, in and outside of our district.
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                                I think that a missing perspective here is that each of us has just
                                so much energy. I want the very best for all students, in and
                                outside of our district. But, given limited time and energy, I
                                choose (as does Michael) to focus on the lives of children who have
                                fewer adult advocates. The other factor is that these are the
                                children I am drawn to. I've worked with higher SES kids; they have
                                their own clear needs. But they simply do not grab at my heart the
                                way these kids do. That says nothing about which kids "deserve" my
                                attention, it's just the way I am. I don't think it would benefit
                                anyone if I transferred to a hill school to broaden my experience.

                                Elizabeth

                                --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...>
                                wrote:
                                > Michael, we have some areas of agreement and that is a start. I am
                                sorry if I discounted your experience. Eight years is a
                                commitment! For an inspired educator, who returned to a flatland
                                school, in spite of unbelievable success and admiration at a so-
                                called hill school I would like to refer you to Marsha Hataye. She
                                is now vice-principal at Richmond High School and one of the best
                                administrators I have encountered in my 20 years as a parent in the
                                RUSD. She has been at hill schools and flatland schools. I think she
                                is an expert in both. I highly recommend that you get in touch with
                                her if you haven't already done so.
                                >
                                > Rebecca
                                >
                                > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                > Rebecca,
                                >
                                > I do not blame Kevin. I did not like the way he talked about M4E
                                and felt that he was making judgments about it without being
                                informed. How many years do I have to teach before I am no longer a
                                junior teacher? I just finished my 8th. I do not think UTR's stance
                                on seniority is a major player in our dysfunctional education
                                system. In my case, I choose to stay at Downer, which I hope, for
                                all our sakes, is not the closest to a quality education. I agree
                                with you, however, about the dismal results in what the state has
                                tried to do at schools like Downer. I also agree with your thoughts
                                on returning to the basics.
                                >
                                > Mike
                                >
                                > Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...> wrote:
                                > Michael, great dialogue! The purpose of education is to educate
                                not to engage in educational advocacy. Educational advocacy is the
                                second tier of education, once removed. You think you have stumbled
                                onto some kind of previously undiscovered educational twilight zone
                                for want of a better description. You have not. What you are into is
                                the zone of the junior teacher. The school that you are into is not
                                the furthest from quality education, but the closest to it. For the
                                last 30 years this state has invested its greatest educational
                                capital into those students who as you put it are farthest from it.
                                The results as you see are dismal and you want to blame someone, so
                                you pick Kevin.
                                >
                                > I maintain until we return to the basics and that includes
                                electives for remedial students, as well as advanced courses for
                                those students who fulfill the requirements; and updated vocational
                                classes for those students who are oriented in that direction, we
                                will continue in this "dysfunctional system." The teachers union is
                                one of the major problems regarding assignment of teachers. So if
                                you want to see a more functional system advocate to the UTR that
                                teacher assignments are not just based on seniority. Also,
                                administrative jingoism and polictical correctness has overruled
                                common sense when it comes to education.
                                >
                                > Rebecca
                                >
                                > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                > Rebecca,
                                >
                                > I am sorry that you found what I said to be condescending. I think
                                that the primary focus of educational advocacy should be to bring a
                                quality education to those who do not have it, starting with those
                                students who are farthest from it. I think that we have the
                                necessary passion and commitment in West County to make this happen
                                if we can come together. Is that condescending?
                                >
                                > Mike
                                >
                                > Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...> wrote:
                                > Michael,
                                >
                                > I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your
                                characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of
                                its citizens as condescending at best.The neediest are not
                                necessarily in the flatland schools.
                                >
                                > I think it might be good for you to teach up at a hill school. In
                                fact, if there is one thing that I could suggest to you it would be
                                to try and encourage teachers to mix it up. Teach some years at a
                                hill school and teach some years at a flatland school. That would be
                                a good positive educational experience for all of you. But, you
                                will need to speak your teacher's union about that. Sorry to say,
                                but Kevin has no influence on that issue.
                                >
                                > Rebecca
                                >
                                > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                > Rebecca,
                                >
                                > I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues
                                while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is
                                dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that
                                what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I
                                think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive
                                criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But
                                simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to
                                better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are doing
                                is it wrong is dysfunctional.
                                >
                                > It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about groups
                                or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third
                                hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a
                                reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing more
                                than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under the
                                guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct. While
                                as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working
                                conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working
                                for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality
                                public education for children in WCCUSD and California.
                                >
                                > I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so many
                                people who care so passionately about education in West County
                                cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that
                                M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for some
                                people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe it
                                is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the
                                flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on this
                                list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to worry
                                about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot
                                remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society by
                                how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in
                                educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the
                                people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together and
                                demand a quality education for our neediest children that this would
                                be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                                > students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.
                                >
                                > Mike
                                >
                                >
                                > Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...> wrote:
                                > Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are a
                                teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some
                                parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is
                                concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils,
                                where city councils might want to take positions on issues that are
                                beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens agree
                                and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the
                                scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope
                                that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined
                                by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for
                                elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions
                                are a problem
                                >
                                > However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I
                                quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is
                                the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and
                                continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at
                                least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope
                                groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant
                                for a functional school district. The determinant is a good
                                educational program focused on educating the students and well run,
                                where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers, and
                                other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis
                                promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the
                                classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on the
                                quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for
                                functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.
                                >
                                > Rebecca
                                >
                                > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                > Kevin,
                                >
                                > When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West
                                County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other
                                communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in
                                West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as
                                the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and
                                gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at
                                KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build
                                up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent
                                Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a
                                local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come
                                to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right,
                                you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your
                                concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point
                                just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and
                                set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                                > some more at us in this forum.
                                >
                                > The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same
                                type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues
                                the cycle of dysfunction.
                                >
                                > Mike McDonald
                                > M4E
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@h...> wrote:
                                > A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS
                                firmly
                                > planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far
                                away as
                                > Salinas.
                                >
                                > There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in
                                WCCUSD without
                                > being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the
                                World.
                                >
                                > I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is
                                relevant to
                                > the education problems of WCCUSD.
                                >
                                > Kevin
                                >
                                > >From: Charley Cowens
                                > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27
                                5-7 pm
                                > >Opportunity W...
                                > >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                                > >
                                > >Kevin-
                                > >
                                > >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't
                                see how
                                > >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                                > >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big
                                issue
                                > >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                                > >kind of progressive politics.
                                > >
                                > >Charley Cowens
                                > >
                                > >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                                > > > Sarah,
                                > > >
                                > > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed
                                initial
                                > > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many
                                start up
                                > > > organizations over the past years in this district that
                                started out well
                                > > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the
                                intent has
                                > > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds
                                are
                                > >carrying.
                                > > >
                                > > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I
                                do not have
                                > >any
                                > > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your
                                recommendation
                                > >and
                                > > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting.
                                There is
                                > >nothing
                                > > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and
                                location for
                                > >M4Ed
                                > > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance
                                for
                                > > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission
                                Statement
                                > >is
                                > > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about
                                saving
                                > >Salinas
                                > > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed
                                web site
                                > >are
                                > > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                                > > >
                                > > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the
                                focus for
                                > >M4Ed
                                > > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global
                                picture
                                > >of
                                > > > education in our state, but when the initial organization,
                                M4Ed, is
                                > >co-opted
                                > > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the
                                impact
                                > >that
                                > > > M4Ed could have.
                                > > >
                                > > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside,
                                I have
                                > >and I
                                > > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my
                                naiveté
                                > >is.
                                > > >
                                > > > Kevin
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > >From: SarahCreeley@a...
                                > > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@e...,
                                > > > >dbrown247@y..., kfenton@w...,
                                > > > >karenepfeifer@y..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                                > > > >gailmendes@h..., glen@g...
                                > > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon
                                6/27 5-7
                                > >pm
                                > > > >Opportunity W...
                                > > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                                > > > >
                                > > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                                > > > >
                                > > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents,
                                Teachers,
                                > > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission
                                Statement,
                                > > > >pictures of our
                                > > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more
                                info at
                                > > > >www.march4education.org.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School
                                District cut
                                > >all
                                > > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of
                                parents
                                > >started
                                > > > >meeting
                                > > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School
                                Board
                                > >meetings.
                                > > > >We
                                > > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy
                                Travlos, Scottie
                                > > > >Smith,
                                > > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell,
                                Marsha
                                > >Williamson,
                                > > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer
                                School were
                                > >very
                                > > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The
                                Downer
                                > > > >Community
                                > > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at
                                Downer School.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs
                                for our kids
                                > >and
                                > > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these
                                programs. It
                                > >was
                                > > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the
                                West County
                                > > > >meeting
                                > > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County
                                Parents
                                > >came
                                > > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care
                                deeply
                                > >about
                                > > > >the
                                > > > >state of public education. Members of our group have
                                repeatedly gone to
                                > > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates
                                for
                                > >quality,
                                > > > >equal
                                > > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as
                                community
                                > > > >advocates.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been
                                troubling
                                > > > >because
                                > > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the
                                same time
                                > > > >these
                                > > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept
                                saying to keep
                                > >the
                                > > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified
                                the
                                > >teachers'
                                > > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size
                                reduction and
                                > > > >high school
                                > > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new
                                administrators for
                                > > > >Bissell.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an
                                interim person
                                > >yet.
                                > > > >I
                                > > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is
                                mine:
                                > > > >
                                > > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who
                                understands that
                                > > > >students,
                                > > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                                > >Superintendants
                                > > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of
                                communication. I
                                > >feel
                                > > > >we
                                > > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it
                                serves, as a
                                > > > >partner,
                                > > > >working with teachers.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech
                                person who
                                > >gives
                                > > > >out
                                > > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress,
                                where
                                > >teachers
                                > > > >have
                                > > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every
                                student! This
                                > >is
                                > > > >the
                                > > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask
                                questions about
                                > > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and
                                change when
                                > > > >needed. This
                                > > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                                > > > >
                                > > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague;
                                placating. I
                                > >want an
                                > > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration.
                                I believe
                                > > > >this is
                                > > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what
                                your
                                > >process
                                > > > >and
                                > > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings.
                                They are
                                > >fun
                                > > > >and
                                > > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >LOVE,
                                > > > >Sarah
                                > > > >
                                > > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                                > > > >rah_tax@s... writes:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be
                                on the same
                                > > > >page
                                > > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time
                                from what
                                > >I
                                > > > >have
                                > > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you
                                please tell
                                > >us
                                > > > >who you
                                > > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                                > >governing
                                > > > >board,
                                > > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest
                                employee based,
                                > > > >parent
                                > > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you
                                have any
                                > >kind
                                > > > >of
                                > > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond
                                Federation
                                > >of
                                > > > >Teachers,
                                > > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you
                                list your
                                > > > >backers?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent
                                unidentified
                                > >with
                                > > > >any
                                > > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify
                                your
                                > >interests
                                > > > >as
                                > > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in
                                this school
                                > > > >district?
                                > > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district,
                                parent,
                                > > > >employee, etc,
                                > > > > > etc.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Rebecca
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                                > > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                                > > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                                > > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will
                                be
                                > >discussed:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent
                                (Part II)
                                > > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                                > > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the closed
                                session
                                > > > > > of the Board
                                > > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for transparency
                                of
                                > > > > > * the process
                                > > > > > * selection criteria
                                > > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent"
                                superintendent
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the selection
                                of
                                > > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be
                                public -
                                > > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual
                                candidates.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                                > > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                                > > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > 5. Good of the order
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > At a future meeting:
                                > > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                                > > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not
                                here to
                                > >"guide"
                                > > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program
                                Improvement
                                > > > >district,
                                > > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Hope to see you there!
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Hulda
                                > > > > >
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                                I would like to add yet another perspective to this thread. Dr. Johnston acted as a perverse unifier . Many people got along who you wouldn t expect to get
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                                  I would like to add yet another perspective to this thread. Dr.
                                  Johnston acted as a "perverse unifier". Many people got along who you
                                  wouldn't expect to get along because of their shared displeasure with
                                  the Johnston administration. In the post-Johnston era, some legitimate
                                  disagreements will be more apparent, but I hope things don't totally
                                  unravel.

                                  Charley Cowens

                                  On 6/29/05, Elizabeth Jaeger <elizabethjaeger@...> wrote:
                                  > I think that a missing perspective here is that each of us has just
                                  > so much energy. I want the very best for all students, in and
                                  > outside of our district. But, given limited time and energy, I
                                  > choose (as does Michael) to focus on the lives of children who have
                                  > fewer adult advocates. The other factor is that these are the
                                  > children I am drawn to. I've worked with higher SES kids; they have
                                  > their own clear needs. But they simply do not grab at my heart the
                                  > way these kids do. That says nothing about which kids "deserve" my
                                  > attention, it's just the way I am. I don't think it would benefit
                                  > anyone if I transferred to a hill school to broaden my experience.
                                  >
                                  > Elizabeth
                                  >
                                  > --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...>
                                  > wrote:
                                  > > Michael, we have some areas of agreement and that is a start. I am
                                  > sorry if I discounted your experience. Eight years is a
                                  > commitment! For an inspired educator, who returned to a flatland
                                  > school, in spite of unbelievable success and admiration at a so-
                                  > called hill school I would like to refer you to Marsha Hataye. She
                                  > is now vice-principal at Richmond High School and one of the best
                                  > administrators I have encountered in my 20 years as a parent in the
                                  > RUSD. She has been at hill schools and flatland schools. I think she
                                  > is an expert in both. I highly recommend that you get in touch with
                                  > her if you haven't already done so.
                                  > >
                                  > > Rebecca
                                  > >
                                  > > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                  > > Rebecca,
                                  > >
                                  > > I do not blame Kevin. I did not like the way he talked about M4E
                                  > and felt that he was making judgments about it without being
                                  > informed. How many years do I have to teach before I am no longer a
                                  > junior teacher? I just finished my 8th. I do not think UTR's stance
                                  > on seniority is a major player in our dysfunctional education
                                  > system. In my case, I choose to stay at Downer, which I hope, for
                                  > all our sakes, is not the closest to a quality education. I agree
                                  > with you, however, about the dismal results in what the state has
                                  > tried to do at schools like Downer. I also agree with your thoughts
                                  > on returning to the basics.
                                  > >
                                  > > Mike
                                  > >
                                  > > Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...> wrote:
                                  > > Michael, great dialogue! The purpose of education is to educate
                                  > not to engage in educational advocacy. Educational advocacy is the
                                  > second tier of education, once removed. You think you have stumbled
                                  > onto some kind of previously undiscovered educational twilight zone
                                  > for want of a better description. You have not. What you are into is
                                  > the zone of the junior teacher. The school that you are into is not
                                  > the furthest from quality education, but the closest to it. For the
                                  > last 30 years this state has invested its greatest educational
                                  > capital into those students who as you put it are farthest from it.
                                  > The results as you see are dismal and you want to blame someone, so
                                  > you pick Kevin.
                                  > >
                                  > > I maintain until we return to the basics and that includes
                                  > electives for remedial students, as well as advanced courses for
                                  > those students who fulfill the requirements; and updated vocational
                                  > classes for those students who are oriented in that direction, we
                                  > will continue in this "dysfunctional system." The teachers union is
                                  > one of the major problems regarding assignment of teachers. So if
                                  > you want to see a more functional system advocate to the UTR that
                                  > teacher assignments are not just based on seniority. Also,
                                  > administrative jingoism and polictical correctness has overruled
                                  > common sense when it comes to education.
                                  > >
                                  > > Rebecca
                                  > >
                                  > > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                  > > Rebecca,
                                  > >
                                  > > I am sorry that you found what I said to be condescending. I think
                                  > that the primary focus of educational advocacy should be to bring a
                                  > quality education to those who do not have it, starting with those
                                  > students who are farthest from it. I think that we have the
                                  > necessary passion and commitment in West County to make this happen
                                  > if we can come together. Is that condescending?
                                  > >
                                  > > Mike
                                  > >
                                  > > Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...> wrote:
                                  > > Michael,
                                  > >
                                  > > I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your
                                  > characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of
                                  > its citizens as condescending at best.The neediest are not
                                  > necessarily in the flatland schools.
                                  > >
                                  > > I think it might be good for you to teach up at a hill school. In
                                  > fact, if there is one thing that I could suggest to you it would be
                                  > to try and encourage teachers to mix it up. Teach some years at a
                                  > hill school and teach some years at a flatland school. That would be
                                  > a good positive educational experience for all of you. But, you
                                  > will need to speak your teacher's union about that. Sorry to say,
                                  > but Kevin has no influence on that issue.
                                  > >
                                  > > Rebecca
                                  > >
                                  > > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                  > > Rebecca,
                                  > >
                                  > > I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues
                                  > while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is
                                  > dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that
                                  > what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I
                                  > think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive
                                  > criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But
                                  > simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to
                                  > better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are doing
                                  > is it wrong is dysfunctional.
                                  > >
                                  > > It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about groups
                                  > or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third
                                  > hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a
                                  > reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing more
                                  > than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under the
                                  > guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct. While
                                  > as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working
                                  > conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working
                                  > for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality
                                  > public education for children in WCCUSD and California.
                                  > >
                                  > > I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so many
                                  > people who care so passionately about education in West County
                                  > cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that
                                  > M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for some
                                  > people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe it
                                  > is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the
                                  > flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on this
                                  > list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to worry
                                  > about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot
                                  > remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society by
                                  > how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in
                                  > educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the
                                  > people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together and
                                  > demand a quality education for our neediest children that this would
                                  > be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                                  > > students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.
                                  > >
                                  > > Mike
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...> wrote:
                                  > > Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are a
                                  > teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some
                                  > parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is
                                  > concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils,
                                  > where city councils might want to take positions on issues that are
                                  > beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens agree
                                  > and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the
                                  > scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope
                                  > that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined
                                  > by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for
                                  > elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions
                                  > are a problem
                                  > >
                                  > > However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I
                                  > quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is
                                  > the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and
                                  > continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at
                                  > least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope
                                  > groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant
                                  > for a functional school district. The determinant is a good
                                  > educational program focused on educating the students and well run,
                                  > where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers, and
                                  > other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis
                                  > promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the
                                  > classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on the
                                  > quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for
                                  > functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.
                                  > >
                                  > > Rebecca
                                  > >
                                  > > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                  > > Kevin,
                                  > >
                                  > > When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West
                                  > County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to other
                                  > communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in
                                  > West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such as
                                  > the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and
                                  > gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people at
                                  > KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as build
                                  > up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent
                                  > Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think a
                                  > local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come
                                  > to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's right,
                                  > you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your
                                  > concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point
                                  > just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week and
                                  > set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                                  > > some more at us in this forum.
                                  > >
                                  > > The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the same
                                  > type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues
                                  > the cycle of dysfunction.
                                  > >
                                  > > Mike McDonald
                                  > > M4E
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@h...> wrote:
                                  > > A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL ROOTS
                                  > firmly
                                  > > planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far
                                  > away as
                                  > > Salinas.
                                  > >
                                  > > There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in
                                  > WCCUSD without
                                  > > being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or the
                                  > World.
                                  > >
                                  > > I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is
                                  > relevant to
                                  > > the education problems of WCCUSD.
                                  > >
                                  > > Kevin
                                  > >
                                  > > >From: Charley Cowens
                                  > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon 6/27
                                  > 5-7 pm
                                  > > >Opportunity W...
                                  > > >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                                  > > >
                                  > > >Kevin-
                                  > > >
                                  > > >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't
                                  > see how
                                  > > >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                                  > > >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big
                                  > issue
                                  > > >is. They are a local educational political group with a grassroots
                                  > > >kind of progressive politics.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >Charley Cowens
                                  > > >
                                  > > >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                                  > > > > Sarah,
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well. M4Ed
                                  > initial
                                  > > > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many
                                  > start up
                                  > > > > organizations over the past years in this district that
                                  > started out well
                                  > > > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the
                                  > intent has
                                  > > > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current winds
                                  > are
                                  > > >carrying.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I
                                  > do not have
                                  > > >any
                                  > > > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your
                                  > recommendation
                                  > > >and
                                  > > > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting.
                                  > There is
                                  > > >nothing
                                  > > > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and
                                  > location for
                                  > > >M4Ed
                                  > > > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of Alliance
                                  > for
                                  > > > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the Mission
                                  > Statement
                                  > > >is
                                  > > > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about
                                  > saving
                                  > > >Salinas
                                  > > > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the M4Ed
                                  > web site
                                  > > >are
                                  > > > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the
                                  > focus for
                                  > > >M4Ed
                                  > > > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the global
                                  > picture
                                  > > >of
                                  > > > > education in our state, but when the initial organization,
                                  > M4Ed, is
                                  > > >co-opted
                                  > > > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes the
                                  > impact
                                  > > >that
                                  > > > > M4Ed could have.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the outside,
                                  > I have
                                  > > >and I
                                  > > > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base my
                                  > naivet�
                                  > > >is.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Kevin
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > >From: SarahCreeley@a...
                                  > > > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@e...,
                                  > > > > >dbrown247@y..., kfenton@w...,
                                  > > > > >karenepfeifer@y..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                                  > > > > >gailmendes@h..., glen@g...
                                  > > > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon
                                  > 6/27 5-7
                                  > > >pm
                                  > > > > >Opportunity W...
                                  > > > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents,
                                  > Teachers,
                                  > > > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission
                                  > Statement,
                                  > > > > >pictures of our
                                  > > > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much more
                                  > info at
                                  > > > > >www.march4education.org.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School
                                  > District cut
                                  > > >all
                                  > > > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of
                                  > parents
                                  > > >started
                                  > > > > >meeting
                                  > > > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School
                                  > Board
                                  > > >meetings.
                                  > > > > >We
                                  > > > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy
                                  > Travlos, Scottie
                                  > > > > >Smith,
                                  > > > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell,
                                  > Marsha
                                  > > >Williamson,
                                  > > > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer
                                  > School were
                                  > > >very
                                  > > > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The
                                  > Downer
                                  > > > > >Community
                                  > > > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at
                                  > Downer School.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs
                                  > for our kids
                                  > > >and
                                  > > > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these
                                  > programs. It
                                  > > >was
                                  > > > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the
                                  > West County
                                  > > > > >meeting
                                  > > > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County
                                  > Parents
                                  > > >came
                                  > > > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care
                                  > deeply
                                  > > >about
                                  > > > > >the
                                  > > > > >state of public education. Members of our group have
                                  > repeatedly gone to
                                  > > > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be advocates
                                  > for
                                  > > >quality,
                                  > > > > >equal
                                  > > > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well as
                                  > community
                                  > > > > >advocates.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been
                                  > troubling
                                  > > > > >because
                                  > > > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at the
                                  > same time
                                  > > > > >these
                                  > > > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept
                                  > saying to keep
                                  > > >the
                                  > > > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board ratified
                                  > the
                                  > > >teachers'
                                  > > > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size
                                  > reduction and
                                  > > > > >high school
                                  > > > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new
                                  > administrators for
                                  > > > > >Bissell.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an
                                  > interim person
                                  > > >yet.
                                  > > > > >I
                                  > > > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is
                                  > mine:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who
                                  > understands that
                                  > > > > >students,
                                  > > > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                                  > > >Superintendants
                                  > > > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of
                                  > communication. I
                                  > > >feel
                                  > > > > >we
                                  > > > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it
                                  > serves, as a
                                  > > > > >partner,
                                  > > > > >working with teachers.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech
                                  > person who
                                  > > >gives
                                  > > > > >out
                                  > > > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress,
                                  > where
                                  > > >teachers
                                  > > > > >have
                                  > > > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every
                                  > student! This
                                  > > >is
                                  > > > > >the
                                  > > > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask
                                  > questions about
                                  > > > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and
                                  > change when
                                  > > > > >needed. This
                                  > > > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague;
                                  > placating. I
                                  > > >want an
                                  > > > > >active team player who works for consensus and collaboration.
                                  > I believe
                                  > > > > >this is
                                  > > > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know what
                                  > your
                                  > > >process
                                  > > > > >and
                                  > > > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education meetings.
                                  > They are
                                  > > >fun
                                  > > > > >and
                                  > > > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >LOVE,
                                  > > > > >Sarah
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                                  > > > > >rah_tax@s... writes:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be
                                  > on the same
                                  > > > > >page
                                  > > > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save time
                                  > from what
                                  > > >I
                                  > > > > >have
                                  > > > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you
                                  > please tell
                                  > > >us
                                  > > > > >who you
                                  > > > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on the
                                  > > >governing
                                  > > > > >board,
                                  > > > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest
                                  > employee based,
                                  > > > > >parent
                                  > > > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you
                                  > have any
                                  > > >kind
                                  > > > > >of
                                  > > > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond
                                  > Federation
                                  > > >of
                                  > > > > >Teachers,
                                  > > > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you
                                  > list your
                                  > > > > >backers?
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent
                                  > unidentified
                                  > > >with
                                  > > > > >any
                                  > > > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify
                                  > your
                                  > > >interests
                                  > > > > >as
                                  > > > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in
                                  > this school
                                  > > > > >district?
                                  > > > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district,
                                  > parent,
                                  > > > > >employee, etc,
                                  > > > > > > etc.
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Rebecca
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                                  > > > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                                  > > > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                                  > > > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items will
                                  > be
                                  > > >discussed:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent
                                  > (Part II)
                                  > > > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
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                                  Okay, I ve only attended 2 March4Education meetings and thought the last meeting was overall positive. Agenda Item 1: They talked about ways to influence the
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                                    Okay, I've only attended 2 March4Education meetings and thought the
                                    last meeting was overall positive. Agenda Item 1: They talked about
                                    ways to influence the hiring of a new superintendent and drafted a letter. (Item #2)
                                    Cheryl Meyer from Opportunity West spoke on the Harlem Children's Zone & violence in
                                    the community. Opportunity West will be getting direct help from the originators of
                                    this successful program.

                                    Links to an Article from NY Times on The Harlem Project:
                                    http://www.ccebos.org/nytimes.geoffreycanada.6.20.04.html
                                    http://www.nytimes.com/
                                    http://opportunitywest.org/


                                    To work together do we need to have the same Religious, Spiritual, Political, views? Can we
                                    work together even if we don't like each other? I'm hopeful (naïve) we can find common
                                    ground for our children's sake. (But, what happens if we don't Trust each other? Oh well,
                                    this is the issue I really have trouble with)

                                    "Can't we all just get along?" -- Rodney King


                                    With Love,
                                    Linda Pollyanna
                                    _____________________

                                    AGENDA: March4Education meeting agenda Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                                    Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond

                                    1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                                    Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session
                                    before the closed session of the Board At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for
                                    transparency of * the process * selection criteria both for selecting an interim and a
                                    "permanent" superintendent

                                    2. Harlem Children's Zone & violence in the community
                                    Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West & March4Education...

                                    --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Charley Cowens
                                    <charley.cowens@g...> wrote:
                                    > I would like to add yet another perspective to this thread. Dr.
                                    > Johnston acted as a "perverse unifier". Many people got along who
                                    you
                                    > wouldn't expect to get along because of their shared displeasure
                                    with
                                    > the Johnston administration. In the post-Johnston era, some
                                    legitimate
                                    > disagreements will be more apparent, but I hope things don't totally
                                    > unravel.
                                    >
                                    > Charley Cowens
                                    >
                                    > On 6/29/05, Elizabeth Jaeger <elizabethjaeger@h...> wrote:
                                    > > I think that a missing perspective here is that each of us has
                                    just
                                    > > so much energy. I want the very best for all students, in and
                                    > > outside of our district. But, given limited time and energy, I
                                    > > choose (as does Michael) to focus on the lives of children who
                                    have
                                    > > fewer adult advocates. The other factor is that these are the
                                    > > children I am drawn to. I've worked with higher SES kids; they
                                    have
                                    > > their own clear needs. But they simply do not grab at my heart the
                                    > > way these kids do. That says nothing about which kids "deserve"
                                    my
                                    > > attention, it's just the way I am. I don't think it would benefit
                                    > > anyone if I transferred to a hill school to broaden my experience.
                                    > >
                                    > > Elizabeth
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Hazlewood
                                    <rah_tax@s...>
                                    > > wrote:
                                    > > > Michael, we have some areas of agreement and that is a start. I
                                    am
                                    > > sorry if I discounted your experience. Eight years is a
                                    > > commitment! For an inspired educator, who returned to a flatland
                                    > > school, in spite of unbelievable success and admiration at a so-
                                    > > called hill school I would like to refer you to Marsha Hataye. She
                                    > > is now vice-principal at Richmond High School and one of the best
                                    > > administrators I have encountered in my 20 years as a parent in
                                    the
                                    > > RUSD. She has been at hill schools and flatland schools. I think
                                    she
                                    > > is an expert in both. I highly recommend that you get in touch
                                    with
                                    > > her if you haven't already done so.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Rebecca
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                    > > > Rebecca,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I do not blame Kevin. I did not like the way he talked about M4E
                                    > > and felt that he was making judgments about it without being
                                    > > informed. How many years do I have to teach before I am no longer
                                    a
                                    > > junior teacher? I just finished my 8th. I do not think UTR's
                                    stance
                                    > > on seniority is a major player in our dysfunctional education
                                    > > system. In my case, I choose to stay at Downer, which I hope, for
                                    > > all our sakes, is not the closest to a quality education. I agree
                                    > > with you, however, about the dismal results in what the state has
                                    > > tried to do at schools like Downer. I also agree with your
                                    thoughts
                                    > > on returning to the basics.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Mike
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...> wrote:
                                    > > > Michael, great dialogue! The purpose of education is to educate
                                    > > not to engage in educational advocacy. Educational advocacy is the
                                    > > second tier of education, once removed. You think you have
                                    stumbled
                                    > > onto some kind of previously undiscovered educational twilight
                                    zone
                                    > > for want of a better description. You have not. What you are into
                                    is
                                    > > the zone of the junior teacher. The school that you are into is
                                    not
                                    > > the furthest from quality education, but the closest to it. For
                                    the
                                    > > last 30 years this state has invested its greatest educational
                                    > > capital into those students who as you put it are farthest from
                                    it.
                                    > > The results as you see are dismal and you want to blame someone,
                                    so
                                    > > you pick Kevin.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I maintain until we return to the basics and that includes
                                    > > electives for remedial students, as well as advanced courses for
                                    > > those students who fulfill the requirements; and updated
                                    vocational
                                    > > classes for those students who are oriented in that direction, we
                                    > > will continue in this "dysfunctional system." The teachers union
                                    is
                                    > > one of the major problems regarding assignment of teachers. So if
                                    > > you want to see a more functional system advocate to the UTR that
                                    > > teacher assignments are not just based on seniority. Also,
                                    > > administrative jingoism and polictical correctness has overruled
                                    > > common sense when it comes to education.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Rebecca
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                    > > > Rebecca,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I am sorry that you found what I said to be condescending. I
                                    think
                                    > > that the primary focus of educational advocacy should be to bring
                                    a
                                    > > quality education to those who do not have it, starting with those
                                    > > students who are farthest from it. I think that we have the
                                    > > necessary passion and commitment in West County to make this
                                    happen
                                    > > if we can come together. Is that condescending?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Mike
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...> wrote:
                                    > > > Michael,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your
                                    > > characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of
                                    > > its citizens as condescending at best.The neediest are not
                                    > > necessarily in the flatland schools.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I think it might be good for you to teach up at a hill school.
                                    In
                                    > > fact, if there is one thing that I could suggest to you it would
                                    be
                                    > > to try and encourage teachers to mix it up. Teach some years at a
                                    > > hill school and teach some years at a flatland school. That would
                                    be
                                    > > a good positive educational experience for all of you. But, you
                                    > > will need to speak your teacher's union about that. Sorry to say,
                                    > > but Kevin has no influence on that issue.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Rebecca
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                    > > > Rebecca,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues
                                    > > while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is
                                    > > dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that
                                    > > what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I
                                    > > think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive
                                    > > criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But
                                    > > simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to
                                    > > better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are
                                    doing
                                    > > is it wrong is dysfunctional.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about
                                    groups
                                    > > or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third
                                    > > hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a
                                    > > reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing
                                    more
                                    > > than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under
                                    the
                                    > > guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct.
                                    While
                                    > > as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working
                                    > > conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working
                                    > > for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality
                                    > > public education for children in WCCUSD and California.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so
                                    many
                                    > > people who care so passionately about education in West County
                                    > > cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that
                                    > > M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for
                                    some
                                    > > people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe
                                    it
                                    > > is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the
                                    > > flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on
                                    this
                                    > > list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to
                                    worry
                                    > > about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot
                                    > > remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society
                                    by
                                    > > how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in
                                    > > educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the
                                    > > people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together
                                    and
                                    > > demand a quality education for our neediest children that this
                                    would
                                    > > be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                                    > > > students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Mike
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Rebecca Hazlewood <rah_tax@s...> wrote:
                                    > > > Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are
                                    a
                                    > > teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some
                                    > > parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is
                                    > > concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils,
                                    > > where city councils might want to take positions on issues that
                                    are
                                    > > beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens
                                    agree
                                    > > and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the
                                    > > scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope
                                    > > that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined
                                    > > by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for
                                    > > elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions
                                    > > are a problem
                                    > > >
                                    > > > However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I
                                    > > quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is
                                    > > the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and
                                    > > continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at
                                    > > least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope
                                    > > groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant
                                    > > for a functional school district. The determinant is a good
                                    > > educational program focused on educating the students and well
                                    run,
                                    > > where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers,
                                    and
                                    > > other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis
                                    > > promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the
                                    > > classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on
                                    the
                                    > > quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for
                                    > > functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Rebecca
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Michael McDonald <mrmcdonald23@y...> wrote:
                                    > > > Kevin,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West
                                    > > County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to
                                    other
                                    > > communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in
                                    > > West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such
                                    as
                                    > > the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and
                                    > > gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people
                                    at
                                    > > KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as
                                    build
                                    > > up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent
                                    > > Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think
                                    a
                                    > > local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come
                                    > > to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's
                                    right,
                                    > > you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your
                                    > > concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point
                                    > > just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week
                                    and
                                    > > set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                                    > > > some more at us in this forum.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the
                                    same
                                    > > type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues
                                    > > the cycle of dysfunction.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Mike McDonald
                                    > > > M4E
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Kevin Rivard <kfrivard@h...> wrote:
                                    > > > A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL
                                    ROOTS
                                    > > firmly
                                    > > > planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far
                                    > > away as
                                    > > > Salinas.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in
                                    > > WCCUSD without
                                    > > > being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or
                                    the
                                    > > World.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is
                                    > > relevant to
                                    > > > the education problems of WCCUSD.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Kevin
                                    > > >
                                    > > > >From: Charley Cowens
                                    > > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon
                                    6/27
                                    > > 5-7 pm
                                    > > > >Opportunity W...
                                    > > > >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >Kevin-
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't
                                    > > see how
                                    > > > >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                                    > > > >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big
                                    > > issue
                                    > > > >is. They are a local educational political group with a
                                    grassroots
                                    > > > >kind of progressive politics.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >Charley Cowens
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                                    > > > > > Sarah,
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well.
                                    M4Ed
                                    > > initial
                                    > > > > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many
                                    > > start up
                                    > > > > > organizations over the past years in this district that
                                    > > started out well
                                    > > > > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the
                                    > > intent has
                                    > > > > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current
                                    winds
                                    > > are
                                    > > > >carrying.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I
                                    > > do not have
                                    > > > >any
                                    > > > > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your
                                    > > recommendation
                                    > > > >and
                                    > > > > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting.
                                    > > There is
                                    > > > >nothing
                                    > > > > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and
                                    > > location for
                                    > > > >M4Ed
                                    > > > > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of
                                    Alliance
                                    > > for
                                    > > > > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the
                                    Mission
                                    > > Statement
                                    > > > >is
                                    > > > > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about
                                    > > saving
                                    > > > >Salinas
                                    > > > > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the
                                    M4Ed
                                    > > web site
                                    > > > >are
                                    > > > > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the
                                    > > focus for
                                    > > > >M4Ed
                                    > > > > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the
                                    global
                                    > > picture
                                    > > > >of
                                    > > > > > education in our state, but when the initial organization,
                                    > > M4Ed, is
                                    > > > >co-opted
                                    > > > > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes
                                    the
                                    > > impact
                                    > > > >that
                                    > > > > > M4Ed could have.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the
                                    outside,
                                    > > I have
                                    > > > >and I
                                    > > > > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base
                                    my
                                    > > naivet�
                                    > > > >is.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Kevin
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >From: SarahCreeley@a...
                                    > > > > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@e...,
                                    > > > > > >dbrown247@y..., kfenton@w...,
                                    > > > > > >karenepfeifer@y..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                                    > > > > > >gailmendes@h..., glen@g...
                                    > > > > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for
                                    Mon
                                    > > 6/27 5-7
                                    > > > >pm
                                    > > > > > >Opportunity W...
                                    > > > > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents,
                                    > > Teachers,
                                    > > > > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission
                                    > > Statement,
                                    > > > > > >pictures of our
                                    > > > > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much
                                    more
                                    > > info at
                                    > > > > > >www.march4education.org.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School
                                    > > District cut
                                    > > > >all
                                    > > > > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of
                                    > > parents
                                    > > > >started
                                    > > > > > >meeting
                                    > > > > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School
                                    > > Board
                                    > > > >meetings.
                                    > > > > > >We
                                    > > > > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy
                                    > > Travlos, Scottie
                                    > > > > > >Smith,
                                    > > > > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell,
                                    > > Marsha
                                    > > > >Williamson,
                                    > > > > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer
                                    > > School were
                                    > > > >very
                                    > > > > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The
                                    > > Downer
                                    > > > > > >Community
                                    > > > > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at
                                    > > Downer School.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs
                                    > > for our kids
                                    > > > >and
                                    > > > > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these
                                    > > programs. It
                                    > > > >was
                                    > > > > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the
                                    > > West County
                                    > > > > > >meeting
                                    > > > > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County
                                    > > Parents
                                    > > > >came
                                    > > > > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care
                                    > > deeply
                                    > > > >about
                                    > > > > > >the
                                    > > > > > >state of public education. Members of our group have
                                    > > repeatedly gone to
                                    > > > > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be
                                    advocates
                                    > > for
                                    > > > >quality,
                                    > > > > > >equal
                                    > > > > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well
                                    as
                                    > > community
                                    > > > > > >advocates.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been
                                    > > troubling
                                    > > > > > >because
                                    > > > > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at
                                    the
                                    > > same time
                                    > > > > > >these
                                    > > > > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept
                                    > > saying to keep
                                    > > > >the
                                    > > > > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board
                                    ratified
                                    > > the
                                    > > > >teachers'
                                    > > > > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size
                                    > > reduction and
                                    > > > > > >high school
                                    > > > > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new
                                    > > administrators for
                                    > > > > > >Bissell.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an
                                    > > interim person
                                    > > > >yet.
                                    > > > > > >I
                                    > > > > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is
                                    > > mine:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who
                                    > > understands that
                                    > > > > > >students,
                                    > > > > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                                    > > > >Superintendants
                                    > > > > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of
                                    > > communication. I
                                    > > > >feel
                                    > > > > > >we
                                    > > > > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it
                                    > > serves, as a
                                    > > > > > >partner,
                                    > > > > > >working with teachers.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech
                                    > > person who
                                    > > > >gives
                                    > > > > > >out
                                    > > > > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress,
                                    > > where
                                    > > > >teachers
                                    > > > > > >have
                                    > > > > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every
                                    > > student! This
                                    > > > >is
                                    > > > > > >the
                                    > > > > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask
                                    > > questions about
                                    > > > > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and
                                    > > change when
                                    > > > > > >needed. This
                                    > > > > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague;
                                    > > placating. I
                                    > > > >want an
                                    > > > > > >active team player who works for consensus and
                                    collaboration.
                                    > > I believe
                                    > > > > > >this is
                                    > > > > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know
                                    what
                                    > > your
                                    > > > >process
                                    > > > > > >and
                                    > > > > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education
                                    meetings.
                                    > > They are
                                    > > > >fun
                                    > > > > > >and
                                    > > > > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >LOVE,
                                    > > > > > >Sarah
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard
                                    Time,
                                    > > > > > >rah_tax@s... writes:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be
                                    > > on the same
                                    > > > > > >page
                                    > > > > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save
                                    time
                                    > > from what
                                    > > > >I
                                    > > > > > >have
                                    > > > > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you
                                    > > please tell
                                    > > > >us
                                    > > > > > >who you
                                    > > > > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on
                                    the
                                    > > > >governing
                                    > > > > > >board,
                                    > > > > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest
                                    > > employee based,
                                    > > > > > >parent
                                    > > > > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you
                                    > > have any
                                    > > > >kind
                                    > > > > > >of
                                    > > > > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond
                                    > > Federation
                                    > > > >of
                                    > > > > > >Teachers,
                                    > > > > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you
                                    > > list your
                                    > > > > > >backers?
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent
                                    > > unidentified
                                    > > > >with
                                    > > > > > >any
                                    > > > > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify
                                    > > your
                                    > > > >interests
                                    > > > > > >as
                                    > > > > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in
                                    > > this school
                                    > > > > > >district?
                                    > > > > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district,
                                    > > parent,
                                    > > > > > >employee, etc,
                                    > > > > > > > etc.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Rebecca
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                                    > > > > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                                    > > > > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                                    > > > > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items
                                    will
                                    > > be
                                    > > > >discussed:
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent
                                    > > (Part II)
                                    > > > > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                                    > > > > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the
                                    closed
                                    > > session
                                    > > > > > > > of the Board
                                    > > > > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for
                                    transparency
                                    > > of
                                    > > > > > > > * the process
                                    > > > > > > > * selection criteria
                                    > > > > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent"
                                    > > superintendent
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the
                                    selection
                                    > > of
                                    > > > > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be
                                    > > public -
                                    > > > > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual
                                    > > candidates.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                                    > > > > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                                    > > > > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > 5. Good of the order
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > At a future meeting:
                                    > > > > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                                    > > > > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not
                                    > > here to
                                    > > > >"guide"
                                    > > > > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program
                                    > > Improvement
                                    > > > > > >district,
                                    > > > > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Hope to see you there!
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > Hulda
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                                    --Linda: Thanks for your Rodney King motto, but the reality is that we may not all get along but we should all be allowed to voice our perspectives without
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                                      --Linda:

                                      Thanks for your Rodney King motto, but the reality is that "we may not all get along" but we should all be allowed to voice our perspectives without fear or abuse. Now you are hearing this from a persons that believes that "I may not like what you say, but believes you have the right to say it, as long as you know I will come back at you with no holes barred". Also, my intent is not to intimidate you or abuse you, but to respond to you in a way that convey my opinion of your words, which does not mean my intent is personal, (because I may not know you personally) but is a direct respond to you words.

                                      First, Rebecca, like myself, can be hard with our words, which at this point in our lives will not change. Also, Mike knows he can give as good as he gets, Thomas on the other hand, is one of the most loving and wonder persons I have come to know, and slow to anger, but when his cap pops, it pops and one has to allow him the right to do so. The bottom line is that we should all be ready to get what we give, because no two of us think completely alike, but there is a common ground (the students in this district) and we must use any and all means necessary to enhance the opportunities for them. Take what we can from each group and leave what we don't like behind and be allowed to say that we don't like something.

                                      And of course, curse out a few people on the way, but not forget the main objective, which is to effect change for the students, which I believe most of us are dedicated to doing.

                                      Scottie Smith




                                      -------------- Original message from "Linda" <lozito@...>: --------------


                                      > Okay, I've only attended 2 March4Education meetings and thought the
                                      > last meeting was overall positive. Agenda Item 1: They talked about
                                      > ways to influence the hiring of a new superintendent and drafted a letter. (Item
                                      > #2)
                                      > Cheryl Meyer from Opportunity West spoke on the Harlem Children's Zone &
                                      > violence in
                                      > the community. Opportunity West will be getting direct help from the originators
                                      > of
                                      > this successful program.
                                      >
                                      > Links to an Article from NY Times on The Harlem Project:
                                      > http://www.ccebos.org/nytimes.geoffreycanada.6.20.04.html
                                      > http://www.nytimes.com/
                                      > http://opportunitywest.org/
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > To work together do we need to have the same Religious, Spiritual, Political,
                                      > views? Can we
                                      > work together even if we don't like each other? I'm hopeful (na�ve) we can find
                                      > common
                                      > ground for our children's sake. (But, what happens if we don't Trust each other?
                                      > Oh well,
                                      > this is the issue I really have trouble with)
                                      >
                                      > "Can't we all just get along?" -- Rodney King
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > With Love,
                                      > Linda Pollyanna
                                      > _____________________
                                      >
                                      > AGENDA: March4Education meeting agenda Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                                      > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                                      >
                                      > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent (Part II)
                                      > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open
                                      > session
                                      > before the closed session of the Board At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the
                                      > need for
                                      > transparency of * the process * selection criteria both for selecting an
                                      > interim and a
                                      > "permanent" superintendent
                                      >
                                      > 2. Harlem Children's Zone & violence in the community
                                      > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West & March4Education...
                                      >
                                      > --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Charley Cowens
                                      > wrote:
                                      > > I would like to add yet another perspective to this thread. Dr.
                                      > > Johnston acted as a "perverse unifier". Many people got along who
                                      > you
                                      > > wouldn't expect to get along because of their shared displeasure
                                      > with
                                      > > the Johnston administration. In the post-Johnston era, some
                                      > legitimate
                                      > > disagreements will be more apparent, but I hope things don't totally
                                      > > unravel.
                                      > >
                                      > > Charley Cowens
                                      > >
                                      > > On 6/29/05, Elizabeth Jaeger wrote:
                                      > > > I think that a missing perspective here is that each of us has
                                      > just
                                      > > > so much energy. I want the very best for all students, in and
                                      > > > outside of our district. But, given limited time and energy, I
                                      > > > choose (as does Michael) to focus on the lives of children who
                                      > have
                                      > > > fewer adult advocates. The other factor is that these are the
                                      > > > children I am drawn to. I've worked with higher SES kids; they
                                      > have
                                      > > > their own clear needs. But they simply do not grab at my heart the
                                      > > > way these kids do. That says nothing about which kids "deserve"
                                      > my
                                      > > > attention, it's just the way I am. I don't think it would benefit
                                      > > > anyone if I transferred to a hill school to broaden my experience.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Elizabeth
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Rebecca Hazlewood
                                      >
                                      > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > Michael, we have some areas of agreement and that is a start. I
                                      > am
                                      > > > sorry if I discounted your experience. Eight years is a
                                      > > > commitment! For an inspired educator, who returned to a flatland
                                      > > > school, in spite of unbelievable success and admiration at a so-
                                      > > > called hill school I would like to refer you to Marsha Hataye. She
                                      > > > is now vice-principal at Richmond High School and one of the best
                                      > > > administrators I have encountered in my 20 years as a parent in
                                      > the
                                      > > > RUSD. She has been at hill schools and flatland schools. I think
                                      > she
                                      > > > is an expert in both. I highly recommend that you get in touch
                                      > with
                                      > > > her if you haven't already done so.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Rebecca
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Michael McDonald wrote:
                                      > > > > Rebecca,
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I do not blame Kevin. I did not like the way he talked about M4E
                                      > > > and felt that he was making judgments about it without being
                                      > > > informed. How many years do I have to teach before I am no longer
                                      > a
                                      > > > junior teacher? I just finished my 8th. I do not think UTR's
                                      > stance
                                      > > > on seniority is a major player in our dysfunctional education
                                      > > > system. In my case, I choose to stay at Downer, which I hope, for
                                      > > > all our sakes, is not the closest to a quality education. I agree
                                      > > > with you, however, about the dismal results in what the state has
                                      > > > tried to do at schools like Downer. I also agree with your
                                      > thoughts
                                      > > > on returning to the basics.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Mike
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Rebecca Hazlewood wrote:
                                      > > > > Michael, great dialogue! The purpose of education is to educate
                                      > > > not to engage in educational advocacy. Educational advocacy is the
                                      > > > second tier of education, once removed. You think you have
                                      > stumbled
                                      > > > onto some kind of previously undiscovered educational twilight
                                      > zone
                                      > > > for want of a better description. You have not. What you are into
                                      > is
                                      > > > the zone of the junior teacher. The school that you are into is
                                      > not
                                      > > > the furthest from quality education, but the closest to it. For
                                      > the
                                      > > > last 30 years this state has invested its greatest educational
                                      > > > capital into those students who as you put it are farthest from
                                      > it.
                                      > > > The results as you see are dismal and you want to blame someone,
                                      > so
                                      > > > you pick Kevin.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I maintain until we return to the basics and that includes
                                      > > > electives for remedial students, as well as advanced courses for
                                      > > > those students who fulfill the requirements; and updated
                                      > vocational
                                      > > > classes for those students who are oriented in that direction, we
                                      > > > will continue in this "dysfunctional system." The teachers union
                                      > is
                                      > > > one of the major problems regarding assignment of teachers. So if
                                      > > > you want to see a more functional system advocate to the UTR that
                                      > > > teacher assignments are not just based on seniority. Also,
                                      > > > administrative jingoism and polictical correctness has overruled
                                      > > > common sense when it comes to education.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Rebecca
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Michael McDonald wrote:
                                      > > > > Rebecca,
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I am sorry that you found what I said to be condescending. I
                                      > think
                                      > > > that the primary focus of educational advocacy should be to bring
                                      > a
                                      > > > quality education to those who do not have it, starting with those
                                      > > > students who are farthest from it. I think that we have the
                                      > > > necessary passion and commitment in West County to make this
                                      > happen
                                      > > > if we can come together. Is that condescending?
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Mike
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Rebecca Hazlewood wrote:
                                      > > > > Michael,
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I think there are many in the WCCUSD that would regard your
                                      > > > characterization of your mission as looking after the neediest of
                                      > > > its citizens as condescending at best.The neediest are not
                                      > > > necessarily in the flatland schools.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I think it might be good for you to teach up at a hill school.
                                      > In
                                      > > > fact, if there is one thing that I could suggest to you it would
                                      > be
                                      > > > to try and encourage teachers to mix it up. Teach some years at a
                                      > > > hill school and teach some years at a flatland school. That would
                                      > be
                                      > > > a good positive educational experience for all of you. But, you
                                      > > > will need to speak your teacher's union about that. Sorry to say,
                                      > > > but Kevin has no influence on that issue.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Rebecca
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Michael McDonald wrote:
                                      > > > > Rebecca,
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I agree with you that having some groups work on local issues
                                      > > > while others work on broader issues is not dysfunctional. What is
                                      > > > dysfunctional is when one group or individual tells a group that
                                      > > > what that group is working on is the wrong thing, which is what I
                                      > > > think Kevin did to M4E. I have no problem with constructive
                                      > > > criticism. Come to a meeting and let's discuss your concerns. But
                                      > > > simply telling people who are devoting personal time to try to
                                      > > > better the education of children in WCCUSD that what they are
                                      > doing
                                      > > > is it wrong is dysfunctional.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > It is also dysfunctional for people to assume things about
                                      > groups
                                      > > > or individual or to jump to conclusions based on second or third
                                      > > > hand information. For whatever reasons, M4E has developed a
                                      > > > reputation among some people in West County that we are nothing
                                      > more
                                      > > > than a group of teachers promoting our own self-interests under
                                      > the
                                      > > > guise of a community organization. This simply is not correct.
                                      > While
                                      > > > as individuals we may have concerns about our union, our working
                                      > > > conditions and our health benefits, when we are under and working
                                      > > > for M4E, we are striving towards one goal: an equitable, quality
                                      > > > public education for children in WCCUSD and California.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I have thought for some time that it is dysfunctional that so
                                      > many
                                      > > > people who care so passionately about education in West County
                                      > > > cannot come together more often to work together. I had hopes that
                                      > > > M4E would provide this opportunity, Maybe we are to radical for
                                      > some
                                      > > > people, maybe it is because of the reasons listed above, or maybe
                                      > it
                                      > > > is because some people perceive our focus to be primarily on the
                                      > > > flatland schools. Somebody once responded to a post of mine on
                                      > this
                                      > > > list that it is not only the poor/minority kids who we need to
                                      > worry
                                      > > > about, but all the children. There is some saying which I cannot
                                      > > > remember, but the sentiment is that you can tell about a society
                                      > by
                                      > > > how it treats its neediest citizens. Since I became active in
                                      > > > educational advocacy in West County, I have felt that if all the
                                      > > > people passionate about education in WCCUSD could come together
                                      > and
                                      > > > demand a quality education for our neediest children that this
                                      > would
                                      > > > be the necessary step to bringing a quality education to all our
                                      > > > > students. The fact that we have not is, to me, dysfunctional.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Mike
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Rebecca Hazlewood wrote:
                                      > > > > Michael, I think it is logical that a teacher's (I know you are
                                      > a
                                      > > > teacher) concerns might extend way beyond the WCCUSD while some
                                      > > > parent's concerns might be more localized, where the WCCUSD is
                                      > > > concerned. This kind of difference has come up in City Councils,
                                      > > > where city councils might want to take positions on issues that
                                      > are
                                      > > > beyond their scope in terms of actual authority. Some citizens
                                      > agree
                                      > > > and some don't. I don't think Kevin was attempting to limit the
                                      > > > scope of M4E, but rather expressing his opinion on the broad scope
                                      > > > that he sees that it contains. And, it is a broad scope as defined
                                      > > > by Sarah in her very courteous response to my request for
                                      > > > elaboration on the scope of M4E. I don't think differing opinions
                                      > > > are a problem
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > However, I think your last paragraph in the posting below and I
                                      > > > quote, "The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is
                                      > > > the same type of attitude that permeates this school district and
                                      > > > continues the cycle of dysfunction." is simply not correct, at
                                      > > > least in the context of education. Whether we have broad scope
                                      > > > groups mixed in with narrow focused groups is not the determinant
                                      > > > for a functional school district. The determinant is a good
                                      > > > educational program focused on educating the students and well
                                      > run,
                                      > > > where employees are doing their jobs. What we parents, teachers,
                                      > and
                                      > > > other groups say here on this list does not, in the final analysis
                                      > > > promote or discourage dysfunction. What is actually done in the
                                      > > > classroom with the students is what is the final determinant on
                                      > the
                                      > > > quality of our educational program; ergo the determinant for
                                      > > > functional or dysfunctional operation of this school district.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Rebecca
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Michael McDonald wrote:
                                      > > > > Kevin,
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > When did you become the person who defines what a groups in West
                                      > > > County should or should not do? In an effort to reach out to
                                      > other
                                      > > > communities who have the same concerns/issues as we deal with in
                                      > > > West County, some M4E members attend events in other areas, such
                                      > as
                                      > > > the one in Salinas. In an attempt to shine a light on WCCUSD and
                                      > > > gain support across the Bay Area, we have worked with some people
                                      > at
                                      > > > KPFA. In an effort to support groups similar to M4E as well as
                                      > build
                                      > > > up our own membership, M4E works with organizations such as Parent
                                      > > > Action Leadership. I am sorry if this does not fit what you think
                                      > a
                                      > > > local educational grassroots group should do. Maybe you could come
                                      > > > to one of our meetings and make some suggestions. Oh, that's
                                      > right,
                                      > > > you did come last week. Funny how you did not mention any of your
                                      > > > concerns then. Perhaps you did not fully understand at that point
                                      > > > just how far off base we had gone. Maybe you can come next week
                                      > and
                                      > > > set us straight. On second thought, why don't you just rant
                                      > > > > some more at us in this forum.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > The attitude that you voiced towards March 4 Education is the
                                      > same
                                      > > > type of attitude that permeates this school district and continues
                                      > > > the cycle of dysfunction.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Mike McDonald
                                      > > > > M4E
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Kevin Rivard wrote:
                                      > > > > A LOCAL educational GRASSroots group should have their LOCAL
                                      > ROOTS
                                      > > > firmly
                                      > > > > planted in local soil and not go wandering off to places as far
                                      > > > away as
                                      > > > > Salinas.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > There are enough problems that need to be dealt with here in
                                      > > > WCCUSD without
                                      > > > > being distracted in other parts of California, the Country or
                                      > the
                                      > > > World.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I do not understand how abortion or a Berkeley Radio station is
                                      > > > relevant to
                                      > > > > the education problems of WCCUSD.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Kevin
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > >From: Charley Cowens
                                      > > > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for Mon
                                      > 6/27
                                      > > > 5-7 pm
                                      > > > > >Opportunity W...
                                      > > > > >Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:09:50 -0700
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >Kevin-
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >However muddled the messaging in the Web site for M4E, I don't
                                      > > > see how
                                      > > > > >anyone reading their mission statement wouldn't get a clear and
                                      > > > > >accurate idea of their stance. I really don't see what the big
                                      > > > issue
                                      > > > > >is. They are a local educational political group with a
                                      > grassroots
                                      > > > > >kind of progressive politics.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >Charley Cowens
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >On 6/27/05, Kevin Rivard wrote:
                                      > > > > > > Sarah,
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Rebecca's question reflects concerns I have had as well.
                                      > M4Ed
                                      > > > initial
                                      > > > > > > intentions were well founded and needed. I have been on many
                                      > > > start up
                                      > > > > > > organizations over the past years in this district that
                                      > > > started out well
                                      > > > > > > intentioned and with great ideals but then along the way the
                                      > > > intent has
                                      > > > > > > shifted from the original focus to what ever the current
                                      > winds
                                      > > > are
                                      > > > > >carrying.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > I am not stating as fact that this had happened with M4Ed. I
                                      > > > do not have
                                      > > > > >any
                                      > > > > > > intimate knowledge one way or the other but I took your
                                      > > > recommendation
                                      > > > > >and
                                      > > > > > > went to the M4Ed web page and found something interesting.
                                      > > > There is
                                      > > > > >nothing
                                      > > > > > > current on the web page except when the meeting times and
                                      > > > location for
                                      > > > > >M4Ed
                                      > > > > > > meetings. All the current news is under the banner of
                                      > Alliance
                                      > > > for
                                      > > > > > > Meaningful Education. One third of the content of the
                                      > Mission
                                      > > > Statement
                                      > > > > >is
                                      > > > > > > a wrap up of the Sacramento March. There is an article about
                                      > > > saving
                                      > > > > >Salinas
                                      > > > > > > Public Libraries. Most of the meetings highlighted on the
                                      > M4Ed
                                      > > > web site
                                      > > > > >are
                                      > > > > > > outside the district. Many in Oakland some in Berkeley.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > I have some concerns, I would believe like Rebecca, that the
                                      > > > focus for
                                      > > > > >M4Ed
                                      > > > > > > has been lost. It is beneficial to have input about the
                                      > global
                                      > > > picture
                                      > > > > >of
                                      > > > > > > education in our state, but when the initial organization,
                                      > > > M4Ed, is
                                      > > > > >co-opted
                                      > > > > > > by others and then taken into another direction it dilutes
                                      > the
                                      > > > impact
                                      > > > > >that
                                      > > > > > > M4Ed could have.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > These are some concerns, as a person viewing from the
                                      > outside,
                                      > > > I have
                                      > > > > >and I
                                      > > > > > > would be interested in hearing from others how far off base
                                      > my
                                      > > > naivet���
                                      > > > > >is.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Kevin
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >From: SarahCreeley@a...
                                      > > > > > > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > > > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, chramsey@e...,
                                      > > > > > > >dbrown247@y..., kfenton@w...,
                                      > > > > > > >karenepfeifer@y..., M4EOrganizers@yahoogroups.com,
                                      > > > > > > >gailmendes@h..., glen@g...
                                      > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [wccusdtalk] March4Education mtg agenda for
                                      > Mon
                                      > > > 6/27 5-7
                                      > > > > >pm
                                      > > > > > > >Opportunity W...
                                      > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:45:27 EDT
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >Hi Rebecca, and All,
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >March 4 Education is a grassroots organization of Parents,
                                      > > > Teachers,
                                      > > > > > > >Students, and Community Activists. You can find Our Mission
                                      > > > Statement,
                                      > > > > > > >pictures of our
                                      > > > > > > >70 mile march from Downer School to Sacramento, and much
                                      > more
                                      > > > info at
                                      > > > > > > >www.march4education.org.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >Around 2 years ago Measure J was defeated and our School
                                      > > > District cut
                                      > > > > >all
                                      > > > > > > >Librarians, Secondary Counselors, and Sports. A group of
                                      > > > parents
                                      > > > > >started
                                      > > > > > > >meeting
                                      > > > > > > >at the Richmond Library after seeing each other at School
                                      > > > Board
                                      > > > > >meetings.
                                      > > > > > > >We
                                      > > > > > > >named ourselves West County Parents. We included Cathy
                                      > > > Travlos, Scottie
                                      > > > > > > >Smith,
                                      > > > > > > >Lori Berry, parents from Madera School, Tammy Campbell,
                                      > > > Marsha
                                      > > > > >Williamson,
                                      > > > > > > >Charley other teachers, like myself, and Kevin Rivard.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >At the same time parents, students and teachers at Downer
                                      > > > School were
                                      > > > > >very
                                      > > > > > > >frustrated when repairs to their school were postponed. The
                                      > > > Downer
                                      > > > > > > >Community
                                      > > > > > > >became well organized. Eduardo Martinez is a teacher at
                                      > > > Downer School.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >Long story short, we had just lost many important programs
                                      > > > for our kids
                                      > > > > >and
                                      > > > > > > >we felt we had to do something dramatic to help save these
                                      > > > programs. It
                                      > > > > >was
                                      > > > > > > >Scottie's idea to walk to the Capitol. I and others at the
                                      > > > West County
                                      > > > > > > >meeting
                                      > > > > > > >agreed. Members of the Downer Community and the West County
                                      > > > Parents
                                      > > > > >came
                                      > > > > > > >together to plan and do the amazing 70 mile march.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >The people who are in March 4 Education are people who care
                                      > > > deeply
                                      > > > > >about
                                      > > > > > > >the
                                      > > > > > > >state of public education. Members of our group have
                                      > > > repeatedly gone to
                                      > > > > > > >Sacramento to learn about bills on education and be
                                      > advocates
                                      > > > for
                                      > > > > >quality,
                                      > > > > > > >equal
                                      > > > > > > >education. We are parents, teachers, and students, as well
                                      > as
                                      > > > community
                                      > > > > > > >advocates.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >Speaking for myself, past budgets in our district have been
                                      > > > troubling
                                      > > > > > > >because
                                      > > > > > > >new, (5?) administrative positions were being created at
                                      > the
                                      > > > same time
                                      > > > > > > >these
                                      > > > > > > >horrific cuts were being made. West County Parents kept
                                      > > > saying to keep
                                      > > > > >the
                                      > > > > > > >cuts away from the kids. On the same night the Board
                                      > ratified
                                      > > > the
                                      > > > > >teachers'
                                      > > > > > > >decision to defer our 2% pay increase, to save class size
                                      > > > reduction and
                                      > > > > > > >high school
                                      > > > > > > >counselors, our School Board voted to hire 2 new
                                      > > > administrators for
                                      > > > > > > >Bissell.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >I am grateful that this School Board did not appoint an
                                      > > > interim person
                                      > > > > >yet.
                                      > > > > > > >I
                                      > > > > > > >think it is important to include community input. Here is
                                      > > > mine:
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >I want an interim and permanent Superintendant who
                                      > > > understands that
                                      > > > > > > >students,
                                      > > > > > > >parents, and teachers should really be listened to. The new
                                      > > > > >Superintendants
                                      > > > > > > >should be intentional in creating effective ways of
                                      > > > communication. I
                                      > > > > >feel
                                      > > > > > > >we
                                      > > > > > > >have a new Board that wants to work with the community it
                                      > > > serves, as a
                                      > > > > > > >partner,
                                      > > > > > > >working with teachers.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >A recent example of not listening was hiring a new Tech
                                      > > > person who
                                      > > > > >gives
                                      > > > > > > >out
                                      > > > > > > >a ton of tests, bubble sheets, to assess student progress,
                                      > > > where
                                      > > > > >teachers
                                      > > > > > > >have
                                      > > > > > > >to bubble in every response to every question for every
                                      > > > student! This
                                      > > > > >is
                                      > > > > > > >the
                                      > > > > > > >opposite of progress. I want Superintendants who ask
                                      > > > questions about
                                      > > > > > > >practices, what's working, what's not, and to listen and
                                      > > > change when
                                      > > > > > > >needed. This
                                      > > > > > > >bubbling is ludicrous. Let's talk about it!
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >I want a Superintendant who isn't defensive and vague;
                                      > > > placating. I
                                      > > > > >want an
                                      > > > > > > >active team player who works for consensus and
                                      > collaboration.
                                      > > > I believe
                                      > > > > > > >this is
                                      > > > > > > >possible. Board members, please let this community know
                                      > what
                                      > > > your
                                      > > > > >process
                                      > > > > > > >and
                                      > > > > > > >expectations are for making these important decisions.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >I encourage people to attend the March 4 Education
                                      > meetings.
                                      > > > They are
                                      > > > > >fun
                                      > > > > > > >and
                                      > > > > > > >a useful way to help our kids.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >LOVE,
                                      > > > > > > >Sarah
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >In a message dated 6/26/2005 9:34:50 PM Pacific Standard
                                      > Time,
                                      > > > > > > >rah_tax@s... writes:
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > Hulda, with all due respect in order for all of us to be
                                      > > > on the same
                                      > > > > > > >page
                                      > > > > > > > > regarding this very upcoming appointment and to save
                                      > time
                                      > > > from what
                                      > > > > >I
                                      > > > > > > >have
                                      > > > > > > > > just referred to as family detrimental meetings, can you
                                      > > > please tell
                                      > > > > >us
                                      > > > > > > >who you
                                      > > > > > > > > represent? Who now is the March4 Education? Who is on
                                      > the
                                      > > > > >governing
                                      > > > > > > >board,
                                      > > > > > > > > or the committee that governs it? Is your interest
                                      > > > employee based,
                                      > > > > > > >parent
                                      > > > > > > > > based or a combination? Do you have any by-laws? Do you
                                      > > > have any
                                      > > > > >kind
                                      > > > > > > >of
                                      > > > > > > > > union backing? That would be either UTR or the Richmond
                                      > > > Federation
                                      > > > > >of
                                      > > > > > > >Teachers,
                                      > > > > > > > > both of whom I respect. Are you an adhoc group? Can you
                                      > > > list your
                                      > > > > > > >backers?
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > As I have clearly stated to this forum I am a parent
                                      > > > unidentified
                                      > > > > >with
                                      > > > > > > >any
                                      > > > > > > > > group. I think it would be prudent if you would identify
                                      > > > your
                                      > > > > >interests
                                      > > > > > > >as
                                      > > > > > > > > well. And finally, do you have any children enrolled in
                                      > > > this school
                                      > > > > > > >district?
                                      > > > > > > > > What precisely is your position in this school district,
                                      > > > parent,
                                      > > > > > > >employee, etc,
                                      > > > > > > > > etc.
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > Rebecca
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > Hulda Nystrom wrote:
                                      > > > > > > > > March4Education meeting agenda
                                      > > > > > > > > Mon 6/27 * 5-7 pm
                                      > > > > > > > > Opportunity West * 598 Nevin, Richmond
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > This is not necessarily the order in which the items
                                      > will
                                      > > > be
                                      > > > > >discussed:
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > 1. How to influence the hiring of a new superintendent
                                      > > > (Part II)
                                      > > > > > > > > Lead: Eduardo Martinez, March4Education
                                      > > > > > > > > Report from the Thurs. 6/23 open session before the
                                      > closed
                                      > > > session
                                      > > > > > > > > of the Board
                                      > > > > > > > > At our 6/20 meeting we discussed the need for
                                      > transparency
                                      > > > of
                                      > > > > > > > > * the process
                                      > > > > > > > > * selection criteria
                                      > > > > > > > > both for selecting an interim and a "permanent"
                                      > > > superintendent
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > In my opinion, *all* deliberations regarding the
                                      > selection
                                      > > > of
                                      > > > > > > > > an interim and a "permanent" superintendent need to be
                                      > > > public -
                                      > > > > > > > > with the sole exception of the discussion of actual
                                      > > > candidates.
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > 2. Harlem Children's Zone &violence in the community
                                      > > > > > > > > Lead: Cheryl Meyer, Opportunity West &March4Education
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > 3. The implications of the new redistricting boundaries
                                      > > > > > > > > Lead: Jorge Rueda, Downer SSC &March4Education
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > 5. Good of the order
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > At a future meeting:
                                      > > > > > > > > Planning for Year 5 Program Improvement (NCLB) schools:
                                      > > > > > > > > Where were we, where are we going now that Gloria is not
                                      > > > here to
                                      > > > > >"guide"
                                      > > > > > > > > the 10 PI schools. What does it mean to be a Program
                                      > > > Improvement
                                      > > > > > > >district,
                                      > > > > > > > > which WCCUSD recently was designated?
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > Hope to see you there!
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > Hulda
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