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RE: [wccusdtalk] Re: High School Reform

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  • rcs101@att.net
    --Hello All: I really like the discussions as they relate to the way business can contribute to the district and how the district work with parents, students
    Message 1 of 32 , Jul 8, 2004
      --Hello All:

      I really like the discussions as they relate to the way business can contribute to the district and how the district work with parents, students and communities. I guess I am getting a little tried of the BS that goes on in this district and how the board in particular play these little games with the public. It was may understanding that the Richmond City Council was told to hold off on the resolution vote until after the meeting with GJ. It was great to see that they did not wait for the "Masser" to give them their freedom to vote, but proceeded in their flight for freedom by voting to pass the resolution and telling the "Master" that they supported the emancipation of the Hilltop neighborhood. Now it will be interesting to see what plans they have for the special board meeting this month, what methods will they use to try and bring the hilltop community and city council back to the plantation way of life. Just think about what has been given for the reason to move Gompers, "the charter school needs the space". But remember no one give Barbara Alexander charter any space. Nor has anyone taken into account how many students will drop out with this move or how many will not make it to hilltop for classes.

      As stated before, the major questions have not been addressed about the imprisonment of some of the students at Gompers and other alternative schools. How did the students get there? How are they transition out? How many students dropout? How many return to regular schools, receive support services, drop out of regular school or return to alternative schools? A few questions that should have been addressed before the consolidation was approved. Now they wish to backtrack and do what? Well, I will be willing to bet that the overseerers will have their three votes lined up and some will pretend they are with the community, knowing all the time that the method they are using is "good cop" vs. "bad cop" and at the end of the show they get what they want and the community is confused. Look at the administration appointments last night that was agenda without so much as a word about site supervisors, but wait, Captian Ramsey asked, when will we let the site supervisors know about their jobs, and the great lawyer gave some date in the future. Now the union will go away, and business will continue as usual. It is my believe that there should not have been any appointments downtown until all site employees were rehired, to appoint administrators downtown tells me or anyone else the priorities of the district and it does not appear to be student centered. What I believe is happening is another layer of administrators to buffer GJ and continue the creation of the myth.

      If you all think that the motivation is somewhat suspect now, just wait. But wait, I forgot, Captian Ramsey did come off like a "good cop" on the rebuilding of El Cerrito and the amount of space. By the way, how is the redistricting coming, will there be new lines for EC? "I am just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round".

      Scottie Smith

      -------------- Original message from "Kevin Rivard" : --------------
      > Charley,
      > Given our initial beginnings, yours and mine personally, head butting like
      > the mountain goats who refuse to listen to each other and simply step aside
      > and let each other pass more from me than you, I would like to say I am
      > seeing more likeness in our thinking. I have a lot more to say about all
      > this NEW way of community giving but am formulating a slow and more
      > thoughtful reaction rather than my usual off the cuff, shoot from the hip,
      > pi---- off, reaction.
      > I am pleased to see, with your usual style of thoughtful criticism, that you
      > are seeing the same types of plotting that I have seen over the years from
      > the leadership of this district. Lynn and I have often wondered, why with
      > all the changes in the leadership of this district, why the same type of
      > arrogance exists against the community and parents of our students in this
      > district. I believe your analysis below gives a real understanding of what
      > is going on and to me you are starting to sound like Scottie, Marsha and me,
      > which means if you keep this type of "rhetoric" up you too will soon be on
      > the receiving end of the nastiness that comes from the leadership of this
      > district and will be labeled as a "nay-sayer" who never has anything
      > positive to say and therefore should be shunned by anyone who really cares
      > about the children.
      > Charlie, I welcome you to what I believe is the enlightened side, of how
      > business is conducted by the power grid in this district. Just look at the
      > most recent egregious acts of this district, the Vista Hills Gompers and
      > North Campus situation and how this district has thumbed there collective
      > noses at the community and the City of Richmond City Council even up to last
      > nights School Board Meeting, with a staement from Ramsey that another
      > meeting will be held to tell the community how the process works.
      > I went on longer than I had intended Charley, but I have been watching this
      > tree for the last few days and musing that maybe, just maybe people are
      > starting to really get what Scottie, Marsha and I have been saying over the
      > past 20 years.
      > Kevin
      > >From: "c_cowens"
      > >Reply-To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
      > >To: wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com
      > >Subject: [wccusdtalk] Re: High School Reform
      > >Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 07:08:48 -0000
      > >
      > >Marilyn-
      > >
      > >Yes, what you say is true, but I also think there is room for
      > >businesses to do the old-fashoined kind of good-deed giving at an even
      > >higher level. The problem is with a possible change in the nature of
      > >the giving that the new "Biz" fund is a harbinger of. At the first
      > >level, there is pooling and a more government grant-making approach.
      > >Pooling might sound good, but it can also crowd out independent
      > >projects as the Biz fund informally becomes the only place to give.
      > >The grant-making approach means stressing "results" that mean
      > >something to gj and the business types in the Biz fund but not
      > >necessarily to people in the schools. At the next level, giving
      > >becomes a way of buying influence either through the Biz fund becoming
      > >a significant source of input for general policy-making because of the
      > >money they are bringing in or through explicit quid pro quos in
      > >specific grants along the lines of: We'll give you this extra dollar,
      > >if you'll spend this $100 of taxpayers' money you already have the way
      > >we want.
      > >
      > >Charley Cowens
      > >
      > >--- In wccusdtalk@yahoogroups.com, Marilyn Langlois
      > > wrote:
      > > > Thanks to everyone for your comments on the high school reform issue.
      > > >
      > > > It's wonderful to know that local businesses are taking an interest in
      > > > supporting our schools. I would suggest that the best way for them
      > >to do so
      > > > is by doing the kinds of things that businesses are best able to do:
      > > >
      > > > --willingly pay their fair share of taxes to support the public good
      > > > (including education)
      > > >
      > > > --provide decent jobs for all of their employees, including young people
      > > > emerging from the public education system
      > > >
      > > > --provide additional job-specific training to their employees as
      > >necessary
      > > >
      > > > --provide high quality goods and services to the community (including
      > > > students, parents, school employees) at reasonable rates.
      > > >
      > > > Businesspeople are not pedagogues, even if they happen to have
      > >school-age
      > > > children. They are also not grassroots, unless they belong to truly
      > > > grassroots organizations or movements.
      > > >
      > > > Thus, if you want to involve the grassroots in making sound pedagogical
      > > > recommendations about high school reform, any "Blue Ribbon Commission"
      > > > should include:
      > > >
      > > > --representatives of grassroots organizations concerned with education:
      > > > these should include long-standing, well-recognized ones such as
      > >PTA, NAACP,
      > > > League of Women Voters, CCISCO, ACORN, etc. as well as some locally
      > >grown
      > > > ones such as West County Parents, Pinole CARE, March4Education, etc.
      > > >
      > > > --first-rate pedagogues who are widely recognized as experts in the
      > >field of
      > > > education, such as Linda Darling-Hammond, Deborah Meier, etc.
      > > >
      > > > --prominent local educators like Melita Sims-Agbabiaka of the
      > >temporarily
      > > > defunct Barbara Alexander Academy, who is still making valiant
      > >efforts to
      > > > create a space to educate those high school students who fall
      > >through the
      > > > cracks and become invisible until they wind up in prison or die.
      > > >
      > > > Looking forward to following this discussion--
      > > > Marilyn
      > >
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    • Jennifer E. Felix
      Mr. Genser: Some of us have met you and yes we think you set yourself on a pedestal. You must feel you are on a pedestal as you still have not answered why
      Message 32 of 32 , Jul 9, 2004
        Mr. Genser:

        Some of us have met you and yes we think you set yourself on a
        pedestal. You must feel you are on a pedestal as you still have not
        answered why business people like yourself have not worked to help
        kids for whom vocational services may be their only chance for job
        with a LIVING WAGE!! I have a child who most likely will not go to
        a four year college, yet I was told there is no money for additional
        vocational services to address the vocational assessment my child
        finally received. So she has an assessment but like a restraining
        order, it is worth no more than the paper it is written on. Have
        any of the business representatives and/or businesses offered to set
        up training programs/positions for these kids? Again I ask, are we
        only concerned with those kids who will go to college or are we
        going to address ALL educational avenues that these kids can explore?

        The parents of the WCCUSD will be much more likely to trust and
        believe in these committees if and when these questions and others
        like them are adequately explored and answered.
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