RE: [waterturtles] Painted Turtle Hatchling
- Hi Barry, sorry for the delay in replying. I knew about the clear sides
of tanks, they drive torts crazy too. It was a hectic week-end and the
hatchling is still in the temporary set-up. I'm going shopping tomorrow
for something more permanent. It eats mealworms pretty well and
poeces of raw fish if cut up small. It has problems with larger pieces
right now. The size of the snails in my fish tank are miniscule to
small.....they breed faster than rabbits or mice.
I'm glad now i didn't kill them off, hopefully the turt will think
they're gourmet food.
<<<<Barry wrote: Cindy,
If you use a clear sided tank cover them on the outside with paper or
something. Then the turtle wont continually try to get out. Little
confusing for them. It takes a while for them to adjust. The lighting, I
say, osram is good and you can get them from a good hardware store. The
zoo-med 5.0 or higher are excellent but cost more. The compact
flourescent are good. Now, some disagree about halogen, but it is proven
by my physics teacher (he has a PhD) that halogen without glass covering
emits uvb and uva. If you want to test the wavelength you can get a
spectrum meter and test the bulbs at the store before you get them!!
Guppies are good, I love em, they clean and get eatin so you can leave
the turtle without worrying that they´ll starve. Also the ghost shrimp
are a good buy as well. The get eatin and clean as well. Water lettuce
is great, just be sure you have a lot of light for it. I can only get it
to grow outside. I have tried and tried inside, but to no avail. Too
small to eat snails?? Not if the snails are small. Worms from your yard
are good. Just use small ones. Crickets, mealworms, small silkworms,
- Hi Alex, i didn't know stinkpots were sweet.
I'm very much aware of the hatchling survival rate, even more aware of
the mortality rate of eggs. THere's a (so far) thriving population of
painted turtles in the pond near me and over the 6 years i've lived in
this particular area i've watched females dig nests and lay eggs only to
find the nests plundered and pillaged the next day. I've only seen one
hatching who made the mistake of finding a water-filled rut in a path
the 4-wheelers around here use and couldn't catch the hatchling to move
it to the pond. I found it dead in a matter of days. I'm sure some
hatchlings must survive up here but i mostly see full grown turtles.
That survival rate plus the constant land developement here orries me.
Sure, painted turtles appear to be abudant but so were box, wood and
spotted turtles at one time.
I wasn't aware that all turtles had homing instincts and find that
really interesting. I know that sea turtles do, but never thought of
other turtles seeking out the area of their hatching.
The little one i have came from an area about 30 miles from here and
knowing the streams and creeks, it could well travel back
if released and stuck to those waterways and didn't cross roads or get
captured by a person or become dinner or a predator.....quite a long (
and dangerous) journey for such a little one.
<<<Alex wrote: Hi Cindy;
As the owner of this list, and former keeper of a number of turtles
(and now a keeper of one sweet Stinkpot), I feel I must weigh in on
this, and congratulate you on keeping the turtle, for several reasons.
First, as someone noted, it is too easy to introduce diseases and
parasites into a population.
Second, a turtle released in a place far from home will wander,
trying to get back home, presumably even a hatchling.
Another concern is genetics. As an example, think of a turtle from,
say, Ohio. If this turtle is released in Mississippi, its genetics
will be very different from the local population, and genes that are
adapted to its home will not work well in its new home. If it passes
these genes down, it can harm the whole population.
Also, think about hatchling survivability. 1 in 100 or likely less?
(Probably far less.) Releasing a hatchling in an area not its home
will tilt the odds even worse.
Next, lets think about Painteds in general. They are in pretty good
population shape across most of their range, and keeping this one is
not going to harm the population, figuring in hatchling mortality and
all. However, keeping it, as you are, for educational purposes, has
the capability to save many adult turtles, since people will have an
appreciation for them having been exposed to this little Ambassador.
Turtles are one of those creatures that have a rotten survivability
rate at the beginning of life, but when grown have a very high rate
of survivorship. Survival of the old breeders is very important, so
you can see that every person this turtle touches (or who touches
her) can have a marked impact on turtle populations in general, far
greater than she might have as a hatchling released back into the
wild with the attendant chance of being eaten.
I hope she has a long and fruitful life as an ambassador for her
In reguards to your reply to Alex. If you see them digging nest you could
place chicken wire over the nest site to keep the predetors out.
I don't know if your local laws prohibit such activities, but if I saw egg
laying I would mark the spot and cover it to keep the predetors out.
Just a thought.
>Subject: Re: [waterturtles] Re: Painted Turtle Hatchling
>Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:12:31 -0400
>Hi Alex, i didn't know stinkpots were sweet.
>I'm very much aware of the hatchling survival rate, even more aware of
>the mortality rate of eggs. THere's a (so far) thriving population of
>painted turtles in the pond near me and over the 6 years i've lived in
>this particular area i've watched females dig nests and lay eggs only to
>find the nests plundered and pillaged the next day. I've only seen one
>hatching who made the mistake of finding a water-filled rut in a path
>the 4-wheelers around here use and couldn't catch the hatchling to move
>it to the pond. I found it dead in a matter of days. I'm sure some
>hatchlings must survive up here but i mostly see full grown turtles.
>That survival rate plus the constant land developement here orries me.
>Sure, painted turtles appear to be abudant but so were box, wood and
>spotted turtles at one time.