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  • Waqqas Dadabhoy
    Yes, we are, but there s a lot of confusion around, with forks of clients incompatible with each other, small unstable networks, and what not. We need to clean
    Message 1 of 13 , Feb 7, 2007
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      Yes, we are, but there's a lot of confusion around, with forks of
      clients incompatible with each other, small unstable networks, and what
      not.
      We need to clean things up, so we can have a good time with waste :)
    • Waqqas Dadabhoy
      If anyone knows of any websites/forum threads/groups about waste, could you please post them here? We re trying to clean things up, and would like that we move
      Message 2 of 13 , Apr 9, 2007
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        If anyone knows of any websites/forum threads/groups about waste,
        could you please post them here? We're trying to clean things up, and
        would like that we move towards a more unified network. Developers
        are welcome too.
      • Dan
        I m still part of a WASTE network group and run a webserver/WASTEsrv right now I m having server problems but he usual URL is http://wkclx.net/ or
        Message 3 of 13 , Apr 11, 2007
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          I'm still part of a WASTE network group and run a webserver/WASTEsrv
          right now I'm having server problems but he usual URL is
          http://wkclx.net/ or http://waste.wkclx.net/ for the forums and the
          default port if your trying to connect to WASTE specifically.

          --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Waqqas Dadabhoy" <waqqasd@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > If anyone knows of any websites/forum threads/groups about waste,
          > could you please post them here? We're trying to clean things up, and
          > would like that we move towards a more unified network. Developers
          > are welcome too.
          >
        • gratemyl
          ... Hi! My public key: WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 gnet-srv-001 C76004FABCC40461BD5120B3583E0E69C9F311202F8CC13E60CF9E01A2F1
          Message 4 of 13 , Apr 21, 2007
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            --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Waqqas Dadabhoy" <waqqasd@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > If anyone knows of any websites/forum threads/groups about waste,
            > could you please post them here? We're trying to clean things up, and
            > would like that we move towards a more unified network. Developers
            > are welcome too.
            >

            Hi!

            My public key:

            WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 gnet-srv-001
            C76004FABCC40461BD5120B3583E0E69C9F311202F8CC13E60CF9E01A2F1
            B9666F9D03A3D88D935B80222B1B40DC953C2E4AC041A14EAF641A857CDE
            1FC0E6258ABDA51DBB63446FCD2A1D2A1D95F170EC9128C86B623928555B
            EE3D3A22DA6CCE80FF28E2797E42803DE51986AA411688BEE9ED1E778922
            C2F3110CCA877A6A86DA57715FF697F82A479F50C9A26080E5554A6265BC
            58EC14446D49D8DB19B25FD5E5BF7C1BF767097D736F1BBC3E75BCDEE648
            1433DCD259B9571474D4441B0003010001
            WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY_END

            Host: gnet-group.com
            IP: 85.214.37.48

            This will be a pretty stable host, and I might be able to provide more
            in the future.

            I think, the way WASTE is currently made, it can be difficult to get
            more users - all the key stuff is too difficult for some users.

            Maybe we could have an alternate waste without keys, or with default keys?

            Anyway, post your keys and I'll add them to that server.
          • Michael Rogers
            ... Agreed - it should be possible to exchange just the key fingerprint instead of the whole key. When you connect to the peer you can download the key and
            Message 5 of 13 , Apr 21, 2007
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              gratemyl wrote:
              > I think, the way WASTE is currently made, it can be difficult to get
              > more users - all the key stuff is too difficult for some users.

              Agreed - it should be possible to exchange just the key fingerprint
              instead of the whole key. When you connect to the peer you can download
              the key and check it matches the fingerprint before proceeding.

              > Maybe we could have an alternate waste without keys, or with default keys?

              Not sure I agree with this - default keys would harm security, but it's
              possible to be secure without intimidating new users.

              It would be useful if the software displayed a short string containing
              the IP address, port and key fingerprint - something like
              123.45.67.8:1234/jdhfg3q247ogk43ugi3qgb984h - that would contain
              everything your friends needed to connect to your peer.

              Cheers,
              Michael
            • sinoth
              Add me please: Public key: WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 2048 sinoth AC12AA6CACB7A7600936EC0FA9588491ECD7F484E7D835A3AB463CA01BE8
              Message 6 of 13 , Apr 23, 2007
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                Add me please:

                Public key:
                WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 2048 sinoth
                AC12AA6CACB7A7600936EC0FA9588491ECD7F484E7D835A3AB463CA01BE8
                50E7C5089D38B646F02C76C505A5B861FA8CBF0901E2B119812DA33A2782
                435EDB2641E520C3C02144006A1F1489A40FE0AE696C844A0C3E7D999447
                F7C00DDC1BF074DC035C38FAC3549E5C56F319171BE382602614D9012B88
                8D595611D58ED34711BD3B5DAB65E8884159CD1DBF64BEB963872C4703ED
                D437597D74F927AAF0E045ADFEEE0926848F2BE0EBF02DC0BEDFE5AA9DEA
                E3D842E7B19159D2D1F22CE9B0B5E7B9CBC3C7BD20B6893F50EFC0DC17A1
                B001A5C77C67C0EE0E1CD15D329D38A1802E6378B0602D429FC8F6A76365
                6340A4D59A0C810980A9655B908B8FD30003010001
                WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY_END


                Host: sinoth.dyndns.org

                Also, which version is everyone using? The last 1.5 beta, or the
                unofficial 1.6?

                --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "gratemyl" <gratemyl@...> wrote:
                >
                > --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Waqqas Dadabhoy" <waqqasd@>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > If anyone knows of any websites/forum threads/groups about waste,
                > > could you please post them here? We're trying to clean things up, and
                > > would like that we move towards a more unified network. Developers
                > > are welcome too.
                > >
                >
                > Hi!
                >
                > My public key:
                >
                > WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 gnet-srv-001
                > C76004FABCC40461BD5120B3583E0E69C9F311202F8CC13E60CF9E01A2F1
                > B9666F9D03A3D88D935B80222B1B40DC953C2E4AC041A14EAF641A857CDE
                > 1FC0E6258ABDA51DBB63446FCD2A1D2A1D95F170EC9128C86B623928555B
                > EE3D3A22DA6CCE80FF28E2797E42803DE51986AA411688BEE9ED1E778922
                > C2F3110CCA877A6A86DA57715FF697F82A479F50C9A26080E5554A6265BC
                > 58EC14446D49D8DB19B25FD5E5BF7C1BF767097D736F1BBC3E75BCDEE648
                > 1433DCD259B9571474D4441B0003010001
                > WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY_END
                >
                > Host: gnet-group.com
                > IP: 85.214.37.48
                >
                > This will be a pretty stable host, and I might be able to provide more
                > in the future.
                >
                > I think, the way WASTE is currently made, it can be difficult to get
                > more users - all the key stuff is too difficult for some users.
                >
                > Maybe we could have an alternate waste without keys, or with default
                keys?
                >
                > Anyway, post your keys and I'll add them to that server.
                >
              • Allclone
                I think most every one is using 1.6 for a GUI, there are still a few 1.5sthat use the command line versions for running as services and such. ... -- a.k.a.
                Message 7 of 13 , Apr 23, 2007
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                  I think most every one is using 1.6 for a GUI, there are still a few 1.5s that use the command line versions for running as services and such.

                  On 4/23/07, sinoth <sinoth@...> wrote:

                  Add me please:

                  Public key:
                  WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 2048 sinoth
                  AC12AA6CACB7A7600936EC0FA9588491ECD7F484E7D835A3AB463CA01BE8
                  50E7C5089D38B646F02C76C505A5B861FA8CBF0901E2B119812DA33A2782
                  435EDB2641E520C3C02144006A1F1489A40FE0AE696C844A0C3E7D999447
                  F7C00DDC1BF074DC035C38FAC3549E5C56F319171BE382602614D9012B88
                  8D595611D58ED34711BD3B5DAB65E8884159CD1DBF64BEB963872C4703ED
                  D437597D74F927AAF0E045ADFEEE0926848F2BE0EBF02DC0BEDFE5AA9DEA
                  E3D842E7B19159D2D1F22CE9B0B5E7B9CBC3C7BD20B6893F50EFC0DC17A1
                  B001A5C77C67C0EE0E1CD15D329D38A1802E6378B0602D429FC8F6A76365
                  6340A4D59A0C810980A9655B908B8FD30003010001
                  WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY_END

                  Host: sinoth.dyndns.org

                  Also, which version is everyone using? The last 1.5 beta, or the
                  unofficial 1.6?



                  --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "gratemyl" <gratemyl@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Waqqas Dadabhoy" <waqqasd@>
                  > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > If anyone knows of any websites/forum threads/groups about waste,
                  > > could you please post them here? We're trying to clean things up, and
                  > > would like that we move towards a more unified network. Developers
                  > > are welcome too.
                  > >
                  >
                  > Hi!
                  >
                  > My public key:
                  >
                  > WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 gnet-srv-001
                  > C76004FABCC40461BD5120B3583E0E69C9F311202F8CC13E60CF9E01A2F1
                  > B9666F9D03A3D88D935B80222B1B40DC953C2E4AC041A14EAF641A857CDE
                  > 1FC0E6258ABDA51DBB63446FCD2A1D2A1D95F170EC9128C86B623928555B
                  > EE3D3A22DA6CCE80FF28E2797E42803DE51986AA411688BEE9ED1E778922
                  > C2F3110CCA877A6A86DA57715FF697F82A479F50C9A26080E5554A6265BC
                  > 58EC14446D49D8DB19B25FD5E5BF7C1BF767097D736F1BBC3E75BCDEE648
                  > 1433DCD259B9571474D4441B0003010001
                  > WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY_END
                  >
                  > Host: gnet-group.com
                  > IP: 85.214.37.48
                  >
                  > This will be a pretty stable host, and I might be able to provide more
                  > in the future.
                  >
                  > I think, the way WASTE is currently made, it can be difficult to get
                  > more users - all the key stuff is too difficult for some users.
                  >
                  > Maybe we could have an alternate waste without keys, or with default
                  keys?
                  >
                  > Anyway, post your keys and I'll add them to that server.
                  >




                  --
                  a.k.a. GrayB0X
                  AIM SN:allclone
                • inquisition_satanas
                  ... keys? ... so what is the default key (public+private) ?
                  Message 8 of 13 , May 2 3:32 PM
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                    --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "gratemyl" <gratemyl@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Waqqas Dadabhoy" <waqqasd@>
                    > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > If anyone knows of any websites/forum threads/groups about waste,
                    > > could you please post them here? We're trying to clean things up, and
                    > > would like that we move towards a more unified network. Developers
                    > > are welcome too.
                    > >
                    >
                    > Hi!
                    >
                    > My public key:
                    >
                    > WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 gnet-srv-001
                    > C76004FABCC40461BD5120B3583E0E69C9F311202F8CC13E60CF9E01A2F1
                    > B9666F9D03A3D88D935B80222B1B40DC953C2E4AC041A14EAF641A857CDE
                    > 1FC0E6258ABDA51DBB63446FCD2A1D2A1D95F170EC9128C86B623928555B
                    > EE3D3A22DA6CCE80FF28E2797E42803DE51986AA411688BEE9ED1E778922
                    > C2F3110CCA877A6A86DA57715FF697F82A479F50C9A26080E5554A6265BC
                    > 58EC14446D49D8DB19B25FD5E5BF7C1BF767097D736F1BBC3E75BCDEE648
                    > 1433DCD259B9571474D4441B0003010001
                    > WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY_END
                    >
                    > Host: gnet-group.com
                    > IP: 85.214.37.48
                    >
                    > This will be a pretty stable host, and I might be able to provide more
                    > in the future.
                    >
                    > I think, the way WASTE is currently made, it can be difficult to get
                    > more users - all the key stuff is too difficult for some users.
                    >
                    > Maybe we could have an alternate waste without keys, or with default
                    keys?
                    >
                    > Anyway, post your keys and I'll add them to that server.
                    >

                    so what is the default key (public+private) ?
                  • katzentierdersonne
                    ... up, and ... Copy the public key from HERE, and add it to your WASTE. Then, post YOUR own public key HERE. After you got added, you can connect. I hope I
                    Message 9 of 13 , May 3 4:38 AM
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                      --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "inquisition_satanas"
                      <inquisition_satanas@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "gratemyl" <gratemyl@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, "Waqqas Dadabhoy" <waqqasd@>
                      > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > If anyone knows of any websites/forum threads/groups about waste,
                      > > > could you please post them here? We're trying to clean things
                      up, and
                      > > > would like that we move towards a more unified network. Developers
                      > > > are welcome too.
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > > Hi!
                      > >
                      > > My public key:
                      > >
                      > > WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 gnet-srv-001
                      > > C76004FABCC40461BD5120B3583E0E69C9F311202F8CC13E60CF9E01A2F1
                      > > B9666F9D03A3D88D935B80222B1B40DC953C2E4AC041A14EAF641A857CDE
                      > > 1FC0E6258ABDA51DBB63446FCD2A1D2A1D95F170EC9128C86B623928555B
                      > > EE3D3A22DA6CCE80FF28E2797E42803DE51986AA411688BEE9ED1E778922
                      > > C2F3110CCA877A6A86DA57715FF697F82A479F50C9A26080E5554A6265BC
                      > > 58EC14446D49D8DB19B25FD5E5BF7C1BF767097D736F1BBC3E75BCDEE648
                      > > 1433DCD259B9571474D4441B0003010001
                      > > WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY_END
                      > >
                      > > Host: gnet-group.com
                      > > IP: 85.214.37.48
                      > >
                      > > This will be a pretty stable host, and I might be able to provide more
                      > > in the future.
                      > >
                      > > I think, the way WASTE is currently made, it can be difficult to get
                      > > more users - all the key stuff is too difficult for some users.
                      > >
                      > > Maybe we could have an alternate waste without keys, or with default
                      > keys?
                      > >
                      > > Anyway, post your keys and I'll add them to that server.
                      > >
                      >
                      > so what is the default key (public+private) ?
                      >

                      Copy the public key from HERE, and add it to your WASTE.

                      Then, post YOUR own public key HERE. After you got added, you can connect.

                      I hope I didn't misunderstand you.

                      PS.: The gnet host is very good, I often use it to connect instantly :)
                    • gratemyl
                      ... default keys? ... I totally agree with that last idea of yours - any developers who could follow up on this possibility? -jerome
                      Message 10 of 13 , May 17 3:49 PM
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                        --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rogers <m.rogers@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > gratemyl wrote:
                        > > I think, the way WASTE is currently made, it can be difficult to get
                        > > more users - all the key stuff is too difficult for some users.
                        >
                        > Agreed - it should be possible to exchange just the key fingerprint
                        > instead of the whole key. When you connect to the peer you can download
                        > the key and check it matches the fingerprint before proceeding.
                        >
                        > > Maybe we could have an alternate waste without keys, or with
                        default keys?
                        >
                        > Not sure I agree with this - default keys would harm security, but it's
                        > possible to be secure without intimidating new users.
                        >
                        > It would be useful if the software displayed a short string containing
                        > the IP address, port and key fingerprint - something like
                        > 123.45.67.8:1234/jdhfg3q247ogk43ugi3qgb984h - that would contain
                        > everything your friends needed to connect to your peer.
                        >
                        > Cheers,
                        > Michael
                        >

                        I totally agree with that last idea of yours - any developers who
                        could follow up on this possibility?

                        -jerome
                      • desmo
                        Public Key : WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 wasted42 A25E5E3F26D4AAD55AC06A9D6140AF32978F8DF5E0F10CDF9C81C9ABFD17
                        Message 11 of 13 , Jul 15, 2007
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                          Public Key :



                          WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 wasted42
                          A25E5E3F26D4AAD55AC06A9D6140AF32978F8DF5E0F10CDF9C81C9ABFD17
                          0CDC867AAF42DBFA1F7CE0EEFAFAD29B35F081EF3CDE94ACD45991012784
                          34C035477289023B863F44FF2047C2FC03F3B704C9E5AA032691F312864D
                          EC6F99E54BA0AA3EF27E89CE3EC7AD21B666F4F8C1A321F011058815DD65
                          97E14FE4D1B8BF599E45A8FA95341623805BA4830CF5C80DF4C68E04C79C
                          89B70E412B7C544561C8FD483F40592A4F9492F2B43670D1BDBAA87F5605
                          E17DCA113A4D0CA82CD874230003010001
                          WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY_END
                        • thisismyultracoolemailaddress
                          It s an interesting idea - tokenize the keys. Don t some WAP clients do that now? I know my router has a button on it & if I click the button on my router and
                          Message 12 of 13 , Feb 11, 2008
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                            It's an interesting idea - tokenize the keys. Don't some WAP clients
                            do that now? I know my router has a button on it & if I click the
                            button on my router and my PC at the same time, they auto-find each other.

                            The problem that I see is that WASTE is built on Trust and Privacy. If
                            all you needed to connect to a mesh was a token, it would reduce both
                            considerably.

                            The easiest way to get newbies on a mesh is to give them a
                            "boostrapped" WASTE client. By Bootstrapped, I mean it has all the
                            public keys needed to connect to the mesh pre-loaded. They still have
                            to give their public key to someone on the inside, but this is the
                            trust step in action - external confirmation that the person you're
                            connecting to is who they say they are before you accept their key.

                            Then all they need is the address to connect to.

                            1. Get boostrapped client.
                            2. Generate public key / give public key to "server" node.
                            3. Be accepted to the mesh, connect.

                            I believe there's an out of date bootstrapped client here in the Yahoo
                            group - I can update it with the latest key list.

                            --- In waste-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rogers <m.rogers@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > gratemyl wrote:
                            > > I think, the way WASTE is currently made, it can be difficult to get
                            > > more users - all the key stuff is too difficult for some users.
                            >
                            > Agreed - it should be possible to exchange just the key fingerprint
                            > instead of the whole key. When you connect to the peer you can download
                            > the key and check it matches the fingerprint before proceeding.
                            >
                            > > Maybe we could have an alternate waste without keys, or with
                            default keys?
                            >
                            > Not sure I agree with this - default keys would harm security, but it's
                            > possible to be secure without intimidating new users.
                            >
                            > It would be useful if the software displayed a short string containing
                            > the IP address, port and key fingerprint - something like
                            > 123.45.67.8:1234/jdhfg3q247ogk43ugi3qgb984h - that would contain
                            > everything your friends needed to connect to your peer.
                            >
                            > Cheers,
                            > Michael
                            >
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