I've received a little further clarification from Robert Hughes that I will pass on. This relates to the large public database of Y-DNA test results and the major R-M269 modals for Wales.
The most common haplotype modal for R-M269 (R1b1b2) in Wales is referred to as "Wales Modal 1". There are two different Ysearch entries to compare against to determine if you might fit:
The first is is PYP6F and you used it to compare with 37 STR markers.
The 2nd is S9R4J and it is more precise as it goes out to compare against 67 markers.
Another R-M269 haplotype modal is referred to as "Wales Modal 2" or the "Cadwgond of Wales Modal". It is WFF6T.
The third haplotype modal is referred to as "Wales Modal 3" and it is just the 12 off-WAMH modal markers for this group, which includes surnames like Evans, Morgan and Walsh. It is KEFGX.
--- In email@example.com, "Guy Sloop" <Welshdragon62@...> wrote:
> Hello mwWalsh,
> I just got my R-L21 test results back and I'm R-L21+( R1b1b2a1b5 ) also and I'm a member of Robert Hughes Welsh cluster,
> So, I believe this tell us that our ancient y-dna ancestors from Wales.
> What I liked to know is, if your R-L21+, how long ago is this ?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mwwalsh
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:27 AM
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: [walesdna] Re: DNA news that could be important for Welsh research!
> If you are R1b1b2 (aka as R-M269 or the old R1b1c) please consider this. I fit into Robert Hughes' Wales Modal 3 and since I already did the deep clade testing I know I am L21+ and negative for everything downstream. Hence, I'm now defined as R1b1b2a1b5 (aka as R-L21*). If you are R-M269 and you are ancestry is from Wales, it appears that you probably are too. The only way to know for sure is to get the testing done.
> --- In email@example.com, Susan Rosine <basenji_luvr@> wrote:
> > Hey folks!
> > I was reading about the FTDNA conference going on in Houston, via Vincent Vizachero on Twitter (many thanks to Janet for letting me know!!)
> > For all you who have tested (or are predicted to be) R1b1b2, there is a very important new (Oct 2008) SNP which further defines R1b1b2. It is L21. FTDNA is reporting that L21 occurs about 50% of the time in England and Norway, and 75% to 90% in Wales, Scotland, and Ireland (very little in Iberia).
> > For any of you who have not yet done Deep Clade testing, but are predicted to be R1b1b2, you may want to consider ordering the Deep Clade test to see if you are L21. (his test looks for many more SNPs as well).
> > It is important to remember that even if your marker numbers are fairly close to matching someone else's (of a different surname), you can have different SNPs--and that would mean you are NOT as closely related to them as to others who share your same SNP values.
> > You can order Deep Clade testing from your personal myFTDNA page--under the haplotree tab on the left. If you've already done Deep Clade testing for everything EXCEPT L21 (i.e., you did your testing before Oct 2008)--you can order just L21 from the advanced markers page. It is on sale right now only $29. For those who did Deep Clade before Oct 2008-- L21 comes UNDER P312--if you tested negative for P312, don't order L21, order L48 instead (you should be showing as U106+ in your haplotree tab results).
> > Reminder--this L21 is ONLY for people who are R1b1b2, or predicted to be so. BUT, I always encourage everyone of ANY haplogroup to have Deep Clade testing done. It will tell you so much more about your ancient ancestor. And, we get to learn more about the makeup of the Welsh people as well
> > Susan