8893[wc] Re: Diana, please no waffling on atheism!
- Feb 2, 2009--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Diana Winters"
> Frank to me:
> >Either way, it's a good answer, Diana, because it indicates that you
> >are not really an atheist. An Atheist is someone who denies the
> >existence of God ("God" being a divine or spiritual intelligence). But
> >someone who doesn't know is an agnostic - which is truly a step in the
> >right direction. Ah, you'll think, but all I said was that I don't
> >know the *meaning* of life. But an atheist would have to say that
> >there is no meaning - like Zooey seems to think. Because if there is
> >no intelligent creative force behind it there can be no meaning. So
> >you should reprint your calling card: "Diana Winters - agnostic".
> >You'll feel better.
> >P.S. The Grateful Dead are also agnostic.
> Frank, the whole business of posing challenges to atheists to
> meaning of life" etc is what interests me. "Agnostic" is fine withme; I've
> sort of waffled on "agnostic" versus "atheist" myself and eventuallydecided
> I couldn't get interested enough in the distinction to worry it todeath.
> Definitely, "agnostic" is more accurate for me personally as it impliesme).
> uncertainty (but thanks for condescending to define simple terms for
Please do not waffle on being an atheist! If you move into the realm
of uncertainty as an agnostic, you then may forfeit your privileged
status among anthroposophists as a poor, victimized soul needed to be
healed from your disease of atheism. Indeed rather than have them as
now tripping over themselves trying to heal your disease, if you go
agnostic, you might fall off their radar screen.
Please allow Father Tom, the great new "World Teacher," re-pontificate
about Rudolf Steiner's declarations that atheism is a disease. You
see, Lady Diana, waffling on atheism may downgrade your "disease"
status into the relatively more banal category of mere "misfortune"
However, there may be an outside chance that you could be downgraded
further to the other Karmic-victim category of "feeble-mindedness,"
--- a sure ticket to Camphill, if you can afford it. In that case,
your condition would re-awaken another nexus of patronizing,
condescending attitudes of karmic superiority over you --- but at
least you would be blipping back on their karmic radar screens.
Now before I get to the re-citation of the appropriate Steiner
passages, I would like to make one further observation and raise a
somewhat rhetorical question for all of us to answer.
I surmise rather confidently that the predominant race of all the
people involved in this discussion is that of the Caucasian Jupiter
Race --- we who, according to Rudolf Steiner, exhibit our spiritual
superiority through the very "golden whiteness" of skin which not only
demonstrates our spiritual superiority over the lesser spiritually
endowed races, but more importantly (and let us heed Frank's call for
humility here), demands our sense of "noblesse oblige," or the
magnanimous compassion we need to show to those lesser races. The
19th C. British colonialists had a wonderful saying for it. "We must
carry the white man's burden."
However, the discussion here is not inter-racial, but rather
intra-racial. This is as it were, a family squabble among us superior
Jupiter Race people.
Therefore I raise this vexing question. Who would be more difficult
to redeem, i.e. which of the following two people would be more of a
spiritual burden for the race that must carry such burdens:
A Caucasian Atheist? Or, a Negro Christian?
With that question in mind, let us proceed to the Steiner documentation.
Back last summer in August, I confronted dear Zooey of the Jupiter
Race with the dire diagnosis of her dire disease of atheism.
I'll now repost the latter section of that diagnosis below:
"Now, Zooey, on to the lecture and your diagnosis --- and of course
your eventual healing.
Die Sendung Michaels
Die Offenbarung der eigentlichen Geheimnisse des Menschenwesens
12 Vorträge, gehalten in Dornach vom 2l. November bis 15.Dezember 1919
The Mission of [the Archangel] Michael
The Revelation of the Authentic Secrets of the [Inner] Human Being
12 Lectures held in Dornach from Nov. 21 until Dec. 15, 1919. GA 194
Lecture 4, given November 28, 1919, is called "The Culture of the
Mysteries and the Michael Impulse. Self-knowledge and its Permeation
of the Three Strata of Consciousness"
"If we . . . then look upon the appearance of atheism, upon the
complete denial of the Divine, we shall find the reason for this
atheism. Only those human beings, my dear friends naturally, we need
the methods of spiritual science in order to recognize this only
those human beings are atheists in whose organism something is
organically disturbed. To be sure, this may lie in very delicate
structural conditions, but it is a fact that atheism is in reality a
This is the first thing we have to hold fast: atheism is a disease.
For, if our organism is completely healthy, the harmonious functioning
of its various members will bring it about that we ourselves sense our
origin from the Divine ex Deo nascimur.
Not to find God the Father is a disease; not to find the Christ is a
misfortune. For the human being is so connected with the Christ as to
be inwardly dependent upon this connection. He is, however, also
dependent upon that which has taken place as a historical event. He
must find a connection with the Christ here upon earth, in external
life. If he does not find it, it is a misfortune. Not to find the
Father God, to be an atheist, is an illness. Not to find the Son God,
the Christ, is a misfortune.
And what does it mean if we do not find the Spirit? To be unable to
take hold of one's own spirituality in order to find the connection of
one's own spirituality with the spirituality of the world signifies
mental debility; not to acknowledge the Spirit is a deficiency of
mind, a psychic imbecility.
Please remember these three deficiencies of the human soul
constitution. Then we shall be able to continue tomorrow in the right
way. Remember what I have told you today about the three kinds of
consciousness; remember that
 it is a disease if we are an atheist, if we do not find the God
out of whom we are born and whom we must find if we possess a
completely sound organism; [ex deo nascimur]
 that it is a misfortune if we do not find the Christ; [in Christo
 that it is a psychic deficiency if we do not find the Spirit."
[per Spiritum Sanctum reviviscimus.]
OK, first let me provide here several of the German words that Steiner
used in the above lecture to flesh out the limited meanings of the
single words used in the translated text.
 Atheism denying God the Father Unconscious Willing ---- a
German: die Krankheit" = sickness, disease, ailment, malady, medical
 Anti-Christian denying Christ the Son as God -- a misfortune ----
German "das Unglueck" = calamity, catastrophe, disaster, mishap,
misery, bad luck, accident, sorrow.
 Anti-Spiritual denying the Holy Spirit --- a mental deficiency,
dare I say: stupidity? ----
German: "der Schwachsinn" = mental deficiency, feeblemindedness,
idiocy, cretinism, dementia, being a moron, stupidity, bunkum, bullshit
Now even though I've managed to avoid too much digression, I will end
here because this is becoming a rather long post. But then again, no
post is long enough if it can lead to the diagnosis and healing of
Zooey's woebegone malady of atheism.
Let me sign off here, Zooey, by telling you that I have great
confidence in and optimism about your eventual cure and recovery
because you do love dogs and "dog" spelled backwards, at least in
English, is "God."
-----Father Tom Mellett Judas Priest,
Himself now preaching the "New Gospel of Christian Atheism" in Van
Nuys, CA, as inspired by famous "Death of God Theologian" in the
1960's by the name of Thomas J. J. Altizer, then of Emory University
(see Google book here if curious http://tinyurl.com/7bt7vb
However, Altizer believes the greatest accomplishment of his life was
to nurture the philosopher/theologian whom I have connected with
David G. Leahy here: http://dgleahy.com/
You'll like Leahy. He was born in 1937 in Brooklyn. He now heads the
New York Philosophy Corporation.
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