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  • Thomas Köhler
    ... No. ... Some patches may be larger than that. Perhaps it s not a good idea to send them to this list then, but it may still happen... Ciao, Thomas --
    Message 1 of 10 , Aug 26, 2002
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      Lubomir Host wrote [2002/08/26 09:29]:
      > On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 05:36:34PM +0200, Aschwin Marsman - aYniK Software Solutions wrote:
      > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, guckes wrote:
      > > Another virus on this list, Bram, could you remove the message
      > > from the archive?
      >
      > Hmm, all(?) viruses in emails are >100kB.

      No.

      > Seems to be good filter rule.

      Some patches may be larger than that. Perhaps it's not a good
      idea to send them to this list then, but it may still happen...

      Ciao,
      Thomas

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    • Eugene Lee
      ... The more annoying ones are. ... Perhaps, but I see only three patches for Vim larger than 100 KB: -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 700183 Nov 6 2001
      Message 2 of 10 , Aug 26, 2002
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        On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:49:01AM +0200, Thomas K?hler wrote:
        : Lubomir Host wrote [2002/08/26 09:29]:
        : > On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 05:36:34PM +0200, Aschwin Marsman wrote:
        : > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, guckes wrote:
        : > >
        : > > Another virus on this list, Bram, could you remove the message
        : > > from the archive?
        : >
        : > Hmm, all(?) viruses in emails are >100kB.
        :
        : No.

        The more annoying ones are.

        : > Seems to be good filter rule.
        :
        : Some patches may be larger than that. Perhaps it's not a good
        : idea to send them to this list then, but it may still happen...

        Perhaps, but I see only three patches for Vim larger than 100 KB:

        -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 700183 Nov 6 2001 6.0.087
        -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 164880 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200-nolang.gz
        -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 323623 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200.gz


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        Eugene Lee
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      • Thomas Köhler
        ... Hm. Alle viruses are annoying. ;) ... Would you want to automatically filter out such patches? I wouldn t. Ciao, Thomas -- Thomas Köhler Email:
        Message 3 of 10 , Aug 26, 2002
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          Eugene Lee wrote [2002/08/26 10:52]:
          > On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:49:01AM +0200, Thomas K?hler wrote:
          > : Lubomir Host wrote [2002/08/26 09:29]:
          > : > On Sat, Aug 24, 2002 at 05:36:34PM +0200, Aschwin Marsman wrote:
          > : > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, guckes wrote:
          > : > >
          > : > > Another virus on this list, Bram, could you remove the
          > : > > message from the archive?
          > : >
          > : > Hmm, all(?) viruses in emails are >100kB.
          > :
          > : No.
          >
          > The more annoying ones are.

          Hm. Alle viruses are annoying. ;)

          > : > Seems to be good filter rule.
          > :
          > : Some patches may be larger than that. Perhaps it's not a good
          > : idea to send them to this list then, but it may still happen...
          >
          > Perhaps, but I see only three patches for Vim larger than 100 KB:
          >
          > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 700183 Nov 6 2001 6.0.087
          > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 164880 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200-nolang.gz
          > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 323623 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200.gz

          Would you want to automatically filter out such patches? I
          wouldn't.

          Ciao,
          Thomas

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        • Eugene Lee
          ... [...idea to block email viruses by filtering out emails 100 KB...] ... Not up to me to decide. I just noted that such a filter rule affects only 3 of
          Message 4 of 10 , Aug 26, 2002
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            On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 11:43:26AM +0200, Thomas K?hler wrote:
            : Eugene Lee wrote [2002/08/26 10:52]:
            : > On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 09:49:01AM +0200, Thomas K?hler wrote:
            : > : Lubomir Host wrote [2002/08/26 09:29]:

            [...idea to block email viruses by filtering out emails > 100 KB...]

            : > : > Seems to be good filter rule.
            : > :
            : > : Some patches may be larger than that. Perhaps it's not a good
            : > : idea to send them to this list then, but it may still happen...
            : >
            : > Perhaps, but I see only three patches for Vim larger than 100 KB:
            : >
            : > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 700183 Nov 6 2001 6.0.087
            : > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 164880 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200-nolang.gz
            : > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 323623 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200.gz
            :
            : Would you want to automatically filter out such patches? I wouldn't.

            Not up to me to decide. I just noted that such a filter rule affects
            only 3 of 477 patches. I think I've seen far more than 3 viruses sent
            to this list. It seems (to me anyways) that the benefits of the filter
            rule outweigh the statistic risks of blocking future patches. Thoughts?


            --
            Eugene Lee
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          • Lubomir Host
            ... Not 3, only 1 patch is 100 kB. Files 6.0.1-200-nolang.gz, and 6.0.1-200.gz doesn t come from mailinglist. Patches have subject Patch ... , viruses
            Message 5 of 10 , Aug 26, 2002
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              On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:20:28AM -0700, Eugene Lee wrote:
              > : > Perhaps, but I see only three patches for Vim larger than 100 KB:
              > : >
              > : > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 700183 Nov 6 2001 6.0.087
              > : > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 164880 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200-nolang.gz
              > : > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 323623 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200.gz
              >
              > Not up to me to decide. I just noted that such a filter rule affects
              > only 3 of 477 patches. I think I've seen far more than 3 viruses sent
              > to this list. It seems (to me anyways) that the benefits of the filter
              > rule outweigh the statistic risks of blocking future patches. Thoughts?

              Not 3, only 1 patch is > 100 kB. Files 6.0.1-200-nolang.gz, and
              6.0.1-200.gz doesn't come from mailinglist.

              Patches have subject "Patch ...", viruses doesn't. Patches are from
              Bram, viruses from others. ;)

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            • Aschwin Marsman - aYniK Software Solutio
              ... I would not like to receive a patch of 700Kb by email, and if it s still necessary, you can send multiple smaller patches, or split the large patch in
              Message 6 of 10 , Aug 26, 2002
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                On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Lubomir Host wrote:

                > On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:20:28AM -0700, Eugene Lee wrote:
                > > : > Perhaps, but I see only three patches for Vim larger than 100 KB:
                > > : >
                > > : > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 700183 Nov 6 2001 6.0.087
                > > : > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 164880 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200-nolang.gz
                > > : > -rw-r--r-- 1 506 450 323623 Feb 14 2002 6.0.1-200.gz
                > >
                > > Not up to me to decide. I just noted that such a filter rule affects
                > > only 3 of 477 patches. I think I've seen far more than 3 viruses sent
                > > to this list. It seems (to me anyways) that the benefits of the filter
                > > rule outweigh the statistic risks of blocking future patches. Thoughts?
                >
                > Not 3, only 1 patch is > 100 kB. Files 6.0.1-200-nolang.gz, and
                > 6.0.1-200.gz doesn't come from mailinglist.

                I would not like to receive a patch of 700Kb by email, and if it's still
                necessary, you can send multiple smaller patches, or split the large
                patch in pieces.

                The question is: - is it possible to attach a filter to the mailing list?
                - if so, do you want to use it?
                - who's going to maintain it if you do not only filter on size
                - you could strip attachments, but what about PGP/GPG blocks,
                disclaimers, ..
                - then you can also block html formatted email ;-)
                - etc...

                > Patches have subject "Patch ...", viruses doesn't. Patches are from
                > Bram, viruses from others. ;)

                With the viruses of today, senders are also faked, so that's not a good filter.

                Kind regards,

                Aschwin Marsman

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              • Kontra, Gergely
                Viruses often don t have single text/plain part... Gergo +-[Kontra, Gergely @ Budapest University of Technology and Economics]-+ ... +------- Olyan langesz
                Message 7 of 10 , Aug 27, 2002
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                  Viruses often don't have single text/plain part...

                  Gergo


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                • Benji Fisher
                  ... My two cents: I favor a 100 kB limit. Besides limiting viruses, this would make it easier for archivers and those with slow connections. Personally, if
                  Message 8 of 10 , Aug 28, 2002
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                    Lubomir Host wrote:
                    >
                    > > Not up to me to decide. I just noted that such a filter rule affects
                    > > only 3 of 477 patches. I think I've seen far more than 3 viruses sent
                    > > to this list. It seems (to me anyways) that the benefits of the filter
                    > > rule outweigh the statistic risks of blocking future patches. Thoughts?
                    >
                    > Not 3, only 1 patch is > 100 kB. Files 6.0.1-200-nolang.gz, and
                    > 6.0.1-200.gz doesn't come from mailinglist.
                    >
                    > Patches have subject "Patch ...", viruses doesn't. Patches are from
                    > Bram, viruses from others. ;)

                    My two cents: I favor a 100 kB limit. Besides limiting viruses, this
                    would make it easier for archivers and those with slow connections. Personally,
                    if I had a legitimate 100 kB to send out, I would include just a link in the
                    e-mail. (I just checked: my largest script is 33 kB.

                    --Benji Fisher
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