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116209Re: Starting an online VIM vs Other Text Editors battle.. anyone interested?

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  • tommed
    Aug 3, 2010
      @Teemu - thanks for your comments.

      The ideas you throw out there for the project are already covered by
      places like vim.org and commandlinefu.com. I am not interested in
      covering something which has already been done so well.

      I think the site is for people who will find this kind of competition
      enjoyable and not for people who find uploading a video to YouTube a
      hassle. The videos will be very short (that's the whole point!) so it
      shouldn't make for laborious watching, quite the contrary!

      Listening to your concerns, it is clear this site may not be for you,
      as it may not be for everyone! There is no requirement for learning
      screen recording software, as you could always use a video camera +
      the learning curve for installing and using screen recorders isn't
      exactly high (especially compared to using these editors!!).

      I think back to when I started to learn VI and I remember how much I
      wish there were videos out there to show me the benefits of using an
      editor for every day use. I didn't understand the differences between
      Emacs and VI (true-be-told I still don't really!!!) like each of their
      strengths and weaknesses. I realise the idea isn't perfect as the time
      measures the user's ability to undertake the tasks; but with the
      transcript attached; it should make good competition and a great
      learning base for others.

      On Aug 3, 12:07 pm, Teemu Likonen <tliko...@...> wrote:
      > * 2010-08-02 09:17 (-0700), tommed wrote:
      > > I am hoping we can get some of our most elite users to participate in
      > > an online VIM vs EMACS vs INSERT_TEXT_EDITOR_HERE battle site?
      > > I have posted a few details here:http://www.tommed.co.uk/?p=70
      > I'm not interested in participating but for this discussion's sake let's
      > imagine that I was such an "elite user" and could perform some of your
      > text-editing challenge operations in 3.184 seconds. It's quite obvious
      > that many other people can do it about equally fast. Some differences in
      > milliseconds don't matter in the practice anyway.
      > Now, how do you motivate me to do all the hassle of learning to use a
      > screen recording software, recording a video, learning to use a video
      > editor, editing the video a bit, registering to YouTube, learning to use
      > YouTube, uploading the video there and contacting you about this
      > unbelievably boring and pointless video? OK, that was a rhetoric
      > question. I'm not elite, whatever that means, and you just can't
      > motivate me to do all this hassle. :-) But maybe some people will
      > participate. Good luck.
      > On the other hand, how about approaching editors through your own
      > text-editing tasks and problems? Try to improve your own routines and
      > possibly discuss about different ways to improve your text editor
      > environment.
      > For example, there is a guy who wanted to attach nice location
      > information to his time and task organizer program (Emacs + org-mode).
      > He implemented support for Google Maps and published his work here:
      >    http://julien.danjou.info/blog/2010.html#M-x%20google-maps
      >    http://julien.danjou.info/google-maps-el.html
      > Isn't this guy an "elite user" because he could extend his editor and
      > make it nicer and more efficient environment to work with? I mean, for
      > *his* tasks. Who cares how many milliseconds it would take for that guy
      > to perform some of your text-editing challenges?
      > This Google Maps extension was just an example - it happened to be my
      > latest find. There are also lots of useful Vim scripts in
      >    http://www.vim.org/scripts/
      > and I believe most of them are results of someone scratching their own
      > itches. So, learn to scratch yours efficiently. :-)

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