Re: Plans for MacVim-6.1?
- At 22:46 Uhr +0100 2002-03-11, Sven Guckes wrote:
>Vim 6.0.17 for Mac OS Classic was released on 2001-10-21 and
>When I look back at the time when I syarted
>supporting Vim then it was also for having
>a version for Mac. But there have not been
>updates for Macs for almost two years now.
>This is bad! Real bad.
announced on this list. Since then there have been some updates, the
last one I still have in my archive was 6.0.127 on 2002-01-13.
There has no 6.1a release because Benji and I have been sending each
other patches but I hope to upload a 6.1b release.
BTW, www.tu-bs.de/~i0080108 is dead, but I can't remove it because I
no longer have access to that site. Guess I have to bribe the admins
to get it removed.
- * Bram Moolenaar <Bram@...> [020312 18:54]:
> You help users best by explaining whichThat's only possible when the versions work flawlessly.
> version is useful for which user.
Otherwise it's a matter of "which version has the least bugs". :-(
> > What users need is a release. They havePlease add a request for more Mac developers
> > been waiting for it for two years now.
> Yeah, hopefully all Mac-specific problems will get fixed.
> But this requires Mac developers, and we don't have so many.
to the next user release, Bram!
> > A page that says "no user release sincewell, i won't do that any more. it takes
> > Vim-5.6" is by far more honest.
> No, the 6.x versions are probably
> much better than that old release.
> I don't have an overview of which
> problem exists in which version.
> Perhaps someone can make that overview (hint!).
time and equipment - which I dont have.
I'd make it a requirement for each
maintainer to gather these info
on his webpage and add the list
to each new package as a TODO.
> > But I'd prefer some more talk onplatform: 68k, MacOS 8, MacOS 9, MacOS X
> > how to prepare the binaries for
> > Vim-6.1. Not several version
> > for some platforms - but one
> > version for *each* platform.
> A console and GUI version for each platform, at least.
> And perhaps compiled with different features
> (minimal, multi-byte, big, etc.). That's all fine, so long
> as it's clear for a user which one he would like to download.
features: tiny, small, normal, big, huge
that'll be 20 versions at least. oh, my.
> > Sven [lose hair? ha!];-)
> You must still have two, no? :-)
- Sven Guckes wrote:
> * Bram Moolenaar <Bram@...> [020312 18:54]:Knowing which version has the least bugs is very useful!
> > You help users best by explaining which
> > version is useful for which user.
> That's only possible when the versions work flawlessly.
> Otherwise it's a matter of "which version has the least bugs". :-(
> > > What users need is a release. They haveThat won't help. Any Mac developer that can help already knows his help
> > > been waiting for it for two years now.
> > Yeah, hopefully all Mac-specific problems will get fixed.
> > But this requires Mac developers, and we don't have so many.
> Please add a request for more Mac developers
> to the next user release, Bram!
is wanted. Perhaps asking this on a Mac maillist or newsgroup would
help, but I don't know my way around there.
> well, i won't do that any more. it takesAnd discover we have even fewer maintainers left, because it takes them
> time and equipment - which I dont have.
> I'd make it a requirement for each
> maintainer to gather these info
> on his webpage and add the list
> to each new package as a TODO.
too much time... It's too easy to write a list of requirements. It's
not so easy to actually do the work.
Let's be happy with what we have first, then ask for some more! :-)
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> So - what is the plan to get *the* MacVim-6.1 onto the FTP mirrors?Forgive, but ... which *is* "the" MacVIM? I long ago became so
hopelessly confused by this that I gave up trying to figure it out.
- * david craig <dac@...> [2002-03-13 20:19]:
> > So - what is the plan to get *the* MacVim-6.1 onto the FTP mirrors?that's *exactly* what I meant! *grin*
> Forgive, but ... which *is* "the" MacVIM? I long ago became so
> hopelessly confused by this that I gave up trying to figure it out.
I suppose that *the* MacVim is a binary "with everything" -
and a different binary for each platform, of course.
- At 19:49 Uhr +0100 2002-03-12, Bram Moolenaar wrote:
> > And I'd rather save my time of updating theI promise to add a web page when I release 6.1b:-) And I will include
>> page telling users to download one of four
>> or even five experimental versions or keep
>> them waiting until the next release.
>You help users best by explaining which version is useful for which
a link to Benji's page for MacOS X users.
>A console and GUI version for each platform, at least. And perhapsThere will be no console version for pre-MacOS X, I can promise that as well:-)
>compiled with different features (minimal, multi-byte, big, etc.).
>That's all fine, so long as it's clear for a user which one he would
>like to download.
I don't think a small version for PPC is useful, these machines are
quite powerful and have a lot of memory. (Next someone with a PMac
6100 will complain.) But I'm trying to build a small version for
68000. These machines are definatly slow and don't have a lot of