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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Storytelling with Rich Media Networked Technology

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  • Tim Street
    WOW Will! I love the way you think. That would be soo cool. Have you ever seen Online Caroline? http://onlinecaroline.com/ ... [Non-text portions of this
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      WOW Will!

      I love the way you think.

      That would be soo cool.

      Have you ever seen Online Caroline?

      http://onlinecaroline.com/



      On Jan 8, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Will Luers wrote:

      > Apple's presentation software, Keynote, works beautifully in
      > integrating
      > text, sound, image and video (even HD). And its very simple to use.
      > Right now you can't create hotspots on the video itself, just click
      > the
      > video to move to a new page. In the Keynote player (which comes only
      > with the software package) links are all nonlinear, so transitions
      > between pages are the same no matter where you go in the timeline. It
      > really is a simplified Livestage Pro. When you export to quicktime all
      > interactive links are maintained, but pages are placed in a linear
      > timeline - the downside is that 1) when you link ahead in the timeline
      > the specified transition (like a dissolve) is lost and 2) on the web,
      > you have to wait for a hefty quicktime file to completely load before
      > doing anything with it. This isn't bad, but makes for a clunky
      > experience.
      >
      > It would be ideal if Apple came up with a free Keynote player. That
      > way
      > you can download all the assets and have them play smoothly from your
      > own drive. The immediate application is educational stuff, but also
      > some
      > wild possibilities with video/book hybrids.
      >
      > Sophie is cool, but as you say, seems to act very much like the web.
      > And
      > then Flash, which seems to have won out on interactive video, is
      > simply
      > too complex for any kind of intuitive creation. With a word
      > processor or
      > video editor you can make changes instantly, sees the results. I think
      > this is the beauty of Keynote. As simple as can be.
      > Sounds interesting what you were doing with Quickime. I heard about
      > Livestage Pro thru Adrian Miles and was intensely into it until, well,
      > RSS. And then the end of Livestage. I do hope to find my way back.
      > Especially with new tools popping up.Here is a somewhat clunky
      > livestage
      > thing: http://tinyurl.com/36rz6y <http://tinyurl.com/36rz6y>
      > There is a lot of ambition out there to create beautiful cinema
      > things. The problem is that with ambition come expenses like actors
      > and
      > travel and locations. And then monetization and then what are you
      > doing,
      > but creating for a market and competing with every other production
      > entity out there. Beautiful things don't have to be big and costly. I
      > really believe much of the answer to this creative problem has to do
      > with harnessing the power of the word with video. This could be to
      > tell
      > stories or non-stories or poetic reverie - whatever.Videobloggers as
      > video/novelists?
      >
      > Willhttp://taylorstreetstudio.com/blog
      >
      > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Sull <sulleleven@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > My first canvas of choice is the open web.
      > > I've also always been a Quicktime experimenter together with using
      > SMIL,
      > > AJAX and some flash.
      > >
      > > I'm not completely sold on the idea of so-called rich ebooks.
      > > It just happens to be an area of research that I continue to stay
      > tuned to.
      > > I do think Sophie is an interesting project and over time, it can
      > > potentially be enticing to creatives who want to wrap as much rich
      > media
      > > into an environment that can be collaborative, shared and connected.
      > but
      > > that sounds like the web. But one approach need not replace or
      > supersede
      > > another. Choices are good.
      > >
      > > In a way, Sophie is (or can be) similar to a use case such as
      > SpinXpress +
      > > Videoblog.
      > >
      > > was very excited about Keynote - which does everything we want.
      > But...
      > no
      > > > player. Keynote exports
      > > > to quicktime, but the whole file needs to download before any
      > > > interactivity can happen.
      > >
      > >
      > > I dont know much about Keynote. Are you referring to the Apple
      > Software?
      > > If so, I do recall that looking interesting. What features are
      > important to
      > > you?
      > > Regarding the whole file needing to be downloaded before Interactive
      > > features can kick in.... that's not so bad is it? Could present some
      > other
      > > content while the files download or just see if people can be a
      > little
      > > patient for a little extra juice in the experience. I hear you. Just
      > > wouldn;t look at it as a deal breaker.
      > >
      > > In past experiments with Quicktime and Javascript, I did interesting
      > things
      > > with just using timers.
      > > Grab length of video. Use javascript play and stop buttons which
      > also
      > > triggers a separate timer to begin and stop. Based on the elapsed
      > time
      > > value, trigger some function to do whatever. Shit like that can be
      > > interesting. I should dig up some of that. I remember even using the
      > trial
      > > version of LSP4 just to create a few functional QT buttons that did
      > unusual
      > > things like play/stop/scratch multiple movies embedded on a page
      > with
      > > certain movie id.
      > >
      > > The problem started when focus shifted to RSS for distributing
      > audio/video.
      > > So it became more important to contain as much as possible in that
      > > downloadable video itself. But I think the emphasis on RSS
      > enclosures
      > and
      > > so on has died down a bit and many people are enjoying video and all
      > sorts
      > > of rich media right on the web itself. Both have value though. This
      > is why
      > > I also am very interested in Mozilla Prism as a hybrid solution.
      > >
      > >
      > http://labs.mozilla.com/2007/11/prism-prototype-now-available-on-mac-and
      > \
      > -linux/
      > >
      > >
      > > Do you have any experiments to share?
      > >
      > > Sull
      > >
      > > On Jan 6, 2008 8:18 PM, Will Luers wluers@... wrote:
      > >
      > > > Hey Sull,
      > > > I've been thinking a lot about how to bring together video and
      > text
      > in the
      > > > same container.
      > > > Started out with Livestage Pro which was really the best, but
      > sadly
      > no
      > > > longer exists.
      > > > Quicktime has so much potential to do interactive. Checked out
      > Sophie as
      > > > well. I was very
      > > > excited about Keynote - which does everything we want. But... no
      > player.
      > > > Keynote exports
      > > > to quicktime, but the whole file needs to download before any
      > > > interactivity can happen.
      > > > And then I decided that the simple browser is what we should play
      > with -
      > > > CSS and
      > > > embedded video. Not much in the way of interactive potential, but
      > can play
      > > > multiple
      > > > simultaneous files and of course static text with video. There is
      > Flash,
      > > > but for some reason
      > > > coding buttons just kills my energy.
      > > >
      > > > Would love to continue this discussion/experimentation!
      > > >
      > > > Will
      > > > http://taylorstreetstudio.com/blog
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
      > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > > > Sull sulleleven@ wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Below is an old post where I touched on the future of ebooks and
      > how it
      > > > > relates to vlogging and just rich story-telling in general.
      > > > > I thought it was a good time to bring it up again as it seems to
      > bleed
      > > > into
      > > > > some other discussions going on lately.
      > > > >
      > > > > And, I'd like to again point to a project that is attempting to
      > provide
      > > > open
      > > > > source software for the future ebook. I've been following this
      > project
      > > > > since it was TK3 <http://www.nightkitchen.com/>.
      > > > >
      > > > > http://sophieproject.org/
      > > > >
      > > > > Thanks,
      > > > >
      > > > > Sull
      > > > >
      > > > > On Jun 21, 2006 8:04 AM, Michael Sullivan sulleleven@ wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > > Good topic, Raymond.
      > > > > > This has always been on my mind as well.
      > > > > > Videos like some of Daniels are great interdigitations of
      > audiovisuals
      > > > and
      > > > > > text.
      > > > > > That's why I personally feel that Daniel's work is some of the
      > most
      > > > > > important in the vlogosphere right now. Important as in....
      > "You
      > > > Should
      > > > > > Experience These". My hope is that many will be inspired to
      > experiment
      > > > with
      > > > > > their own creations after watching what 'can be done' with
      > video
      > in
      > > > order to
      > > > > > convey+entertain.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I think in a few short years, there will be a return of the
      > ebook
      > > > > > revolution where ebooks will be socially networked rich mixed
      > media
      > > > that
      > > > > > will look and play on all platforms exactly as the creator
      > intended it
      > > > to
      > > > > > be. They will be projects using any and all media formats that
      > are
      > > > > > available to content creators. They will be bloggy. They
      > will be
      > > > > > powerful. The canvas for any artist to use to compile media
      > elements
      > > > as
      > > > > > juxtapositions for the world to experience.
      > > > > > It will not only be an extension of vlogging but it will
      > become
      > the
      > > > most
      > > > > > flexible and free platform of which all others can exist
      > within.
      > It
      > > > will
      > > > > > help tell stories that we can see and hear.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > sull
      > > > > >
      > > > > > On 6/20/06, R. Kristiansen raymondmk@ wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Hello all,
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I don't know if there is any specific topics scheduled for
      > tonight's
      > > > > > > flash-meeting (the one that starts at approximately 15
      > minutes
      > at
      > > > the URL
      > > > > > > Paul gave), but I would like to discuss how the different
      > media
      > > > formats
      > > > > > > limits us / gives us freedom of expression. As a
      > videoblogger,
      > how
      > > > do you
      > > > > > > feel about writing a text-only entry? As primarily an
      > > > audio-podcaster, how
      > > > > > > would it be to one day make a video entry? How confident are
      > we in
      > > > mixing
      > > > > > > these media tools?
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Since I started videoblogging in dec 04, I have often felt
      > that
      > > > video
      > > > > > > was limiting to me, and part of my way out of that
      > limitation
      > was to
      > > > use
      > > > > > > text and animations, like in this example:
      > > > http://www.dltq.org/v1/?p=313
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Daniel Liss from http://pouringdown.tv has been a big
      > influence for
      > > > me
      > > > > > > the last months, and I have begun to wonder how text and
      > video
      > work
      > > > > > > together, and how we could use these tools more freely. The
      > text
      > > > does not
      > > > > > > have to be in the form of text surrounding the video in the
      > blog
      > > > entry, or
      > > > > > > as subtitles on the video itself. Daniel's latest video is a
      > great
      > > > example
      > > > > > > of this: http://pouringdown.tv/?p=77
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Anyway, I don't know how many others are interested in this
      > topic,
      > > > but
      > > > > > > this is a suggestion at least :)
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Best regards,
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Raymond M. Kristiansen
      > > > > > > http://dltq.org
      > > > > > > http://www.intermediated.com (new)*
      > > > > > >
      > <http://flash.kmi.open.ac.uk:8080/fm/index.php?pwd=55d6e7-4816>
      > > > > > > *
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > On 6/21/06, Paul Knight < paul.knight7@ wrote:
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Hi Guys,
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > I am hosting a video flash meeting tonight at the usual
      > time, due
      > > > to
      > > > > > > > being in bed tomorrow morning at 9am, lucky for some, you
      > might
      > > > say, but I
      > > > > > > > look forward to our little get togethers and to find I may
      > need to
      > > > go to bed
      > > > > > > > early strikes me as a little odd. SO I went ahead and
      > booked
      > a
      > > > flash
      > > > > > > > meeting for the usual time of 5pm-6.30pm PST for all those
      > who
      > > > don't
      > > > > > > > wish to stay up until 2.30am on a school night.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > *http://flash.kmi.open.ac.uk:8080/fm/index.php?pwd=55d6e7-
      > > > 4816*<http://flash.kmi.open.ac.uk:8080/fm/index.php?pwd=55d6e7-4816
      > >
      > > > > > > > * *
      > > > > > > > *
      > > > > > > > *
      > > > > > > > *
      > > > > > > > *
      > > > > > > > *Paul*
      > > > > > > > *
      > > > > > > > *
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      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --
      > > > > > Sull
      > > > > > http://vlogdir.com
      > > > > > http://SpreadTheMedia.org
      > > > >
      > > > >
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